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7/28/12 11:37 A

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Thanks. When I visit my sister, I will be visiting more than one night and I'm sure she'll serve pasta on one of the nights. I can bring some almonds to add to the salad. But I'm sure she'll think I'm being rude if I don't eat at least some spaghetti too...

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7/28/12 10:56 A

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LeslieJean, Spaghetti the toughest meal of all. And pizza. I can usually find something I can eat that folks are serving and if not I try hard to bring a salad or something. Last option, always have a larabar or nuts or something in your bag or purse to eat privately afterwards. I have gotten really good at pushing spaghetti around on my plate while I eat a salad:)


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Ramona, you are awesome!! Thank you for all the great sources - and all the advice~ You ROCK!! emoticon

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I try to find out ahead what's being served,and in your position I would offer to bring a big salad for all and a piece of grilled meat from home for me!! Diane

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Since I don't live with or near any family, I really don't have the problems that some of you do. A couple of years ago I became vegetarian, so this diet is a radical change! I may run into some issues when I visit family next month.
What do you do when spaghetti is what's served for dinner?

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I know exactly what all of you are going through with the family and conventional wisdom. I have tried a few different ways of eating and every time it is a huge deal with my parents. I don't try to push my nutrition choices on them, but the way they react you would think i'm stuffing it down their throats. It has come to the point where i avoid having any meal with them because it turns out to be this huge deal. I always take something that I can eat and they always avoid it, which is fine cause then i have left overs. But still, its ridiculous.

My mom totally thinks whatever i am doing is nuts until someone else she know from work is doing the same thing, and having great results with it. She tells me, "Have you tried the primal diet, Gene from work has been doing this for 2 months and she's having great success with it. She says she feels better, less bloating and gas, her skin looks better, and she has more energy." Never mind that this is what i have been telling her for months. Its so frustrating.

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7/26/12 3:48 P

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Oh Ramona. They should absolutely be more supportive of your daughter. I can tell from your language that this has been a real struggle -like saying "confirmed gluten issues."' At least you don't have to defend it on here. It is tough at times but it would be much harder if it was my child and not me.

Stay strong and do what you know is right for her and for you!

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I KNOW, LOL! I just pray every day I can manage to not be 'that' mom when my daughter is grown, LOL!

Great attitude... pretty much the same as mine... I say the same sorts of things and, frankly, people can really see I'm feeling better (which you'd think would speak for itself... I'm obviously not just being whimsical).

I also did the same thing with the food, and now my Mr. has joined the Paleo club, so it's a lot easier on all of us, LOL. The real trouble is that we need family at the very least to respect our daughter's confirmed gluten issues (how our whole journey really solidified)... she's only 8, and unless she has some better choices, life gets really tough for her... I guess I also sort of expected family to be more understanding and supportive... our friends are a lot more so.

I actually find 'live and let live' to very much be a Paleo attitude... as much as I find the backlash of everyone else to be quite harsh. That's the part I don't get... why should it matter to anyone else how I choose to nournish my body, ya know?

Edited by: _RAMONA at: 7/26/2012 (16:30)

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What is it about Moms???? Ha ha. My Mom just doesn't get it either. My brother gave me the best advice ever(he is strict Paleo)-handle your own eating and don't try to force it on others even in a nice way. If they ask why I eat like I do I try to keep it really simple-I feel better, have more energy and my knees and back don't hurt. If they keep asking I guide them to the Whole9 website. The hardest time I had was when we went to my Mom's and she made spaghetti with the sauce mixed in already, garlic bread and cake. So, I asked her if she would mind if I brought a salad. I pushed the spaghetti around on my plate and ate a huge salad. My brother is right that this is my choice not others. I live with my husband and 2 teens but I cook Paleo. If they want something else they cook it-no discussion or fussing. It made it much easier but I have had to learn to not get offended if my husband goes and picks up tacos for them. No problem-leftovers for lunch!


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7/26/12 2:31 P

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Ramona -
I am sorry that your mom feels that way, but understand too well! Any lifestyle change is judged by my mom as an indictment against her parenting. And I am now 50! And now my daughter is feeling that I am saying that her cooking is not good enough - that's what they call the sandwich generation!

I have started cooking my own meals this week and that is an adjustment for us. As a student/full time mom my daughter feels that she is the cook of the house and it's her kitchen - till dishes at least! So I wait till she is out of the kitchen and then do what I want. This has only been since Saturday, so we are still trying to work things out.
I don't know if I agree with everything I have read, but at the same time, know that taking the "convenience" out of my food has to be beneficial.And I honestly like what I am eating and so long as I don't skip the protien, I am not hungry and wanting to eat everything in sight. That alone is a nice benefit.
Thanks for the sounding board!

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7/26/12 2:22 P

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DANG! I accidentally hit 'reply' and I wasn't finished typing...

I think family is the hardest to deal with, even if they don't live with you. Any change I've ever made to my diet has been viewed as a judgement on how everyone else still eats... I know my mother takes it very personally. No matter how quiet and careful I am about my choices, she still chooses to hear me say that she didn't feed us properly. SIGH. The truth is I LOVE my mom's cooking, AND the food she cooks, it just doesn't love me... I've been ill all of my life and NOBODY considered it could have been a grain issue... we didn't even know we SHOULD consider it. The thing is my mom is convinced that 'conventional wisdom' is the TRUTH, and nothing will change her mind... even though she gets sicker by the day, and her prescription list gets longer, and she is genuinely concerned that my choices will make me even sicker (could this be where your daughter is coming from?). Some people just don't change easily.

Do you have any control over your own food preparation, Sue? Perhaps that's a way to approach it... perpare your own food for 30 days?


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 7/26/2012 (14:24)

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7/26/12 2:10 P

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Sue, THAT puts a whole different light on it for you, LOL! And, I totally agree with you... you need to prove this for yourself... and so the Pam should go!

So, who's house is it?
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Are you doing Whole30?
Is your daughter open to reading some good resources?


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 7/26/2012 (14:23)

'An Apple A Day' keeps the doctor away...
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7/26/12 1:03 P

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Ramona -

Thanks for the links!

I live with my adult daughter who is being a bit passive/agressive about this and I am trying so hard to give this an honest try to the 30 day trial. Yes I have thought of getting this or that, but I really want to "prove" or "disprove" this for me. I figure, what harm can getting rid of all the preprocessed foods for 30 days!

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LOL! I hear you LEIGH... my lines are pretty similar. I also think informed choices are so important and the fats and oils can be confusing, so I like to clarify.

The whole 'not offending people' is hard... face it, it's not a lifestyle that will be welcomed with open arms by everyone (in part because of their misconceptions). I see it as a process in compassionate/creative education... for my daughter's First Communion celebration the whole meal was intentionally uber Paleo, and the food was literally inhaled by everyone, no questions asked... and everyone wanted to know what we were doing to look so great, LOL! They couldn't believe we ate like that every day and were still eliminating fat. I believe people are literally starving for nutritious flavourful food, and my own personal unspoken mission is to serve them food so amazing they'll convert to Paleo on taste alone!

I'm off to get my supper in the slow cooker:

Coconut Ginger Pork
www.marksdailyapple.com/slow-cooked-
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with Paleo Cauliflower Rice
www.kalynskitchen.com/2010/01/recipe
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or-cauliflower-rice-with-fried.html


and Triple Berry Crumble for dessert!
purelyprimal.com/2012/07/04/triple-b
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ry-crumble/



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Ramona, thanks for the info on the Pam! I did find on Pinterest a link to make your own oil spritzer similar to Pam, and I think I will go that route. But I'm not picky enough to stop others from using it. There are a few things that I'm a stickler on, too, - light/fat free/ diet etc stuff, anything with added sugar, and margarine vs butter. But I do allow for some wiggle room so that I can still make this work for me.

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Welcome, Pam! My favourite resource for all things Paleo is Mark's Daily Apple just google and subscribe... and there was a recent thread listing resources including recipe sites:

www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_mes
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geboard_thread.asp?board=-1x28224x48R>964967


You'll find there are a lot of misconceptions of what is and isn't Paleo... but Paleo isn't 'one size fits all' so it's a bit of a learning curve. Check out 'Paleo... do you really know what you're talking about':

www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_jo
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And if you're interested, I've compiled an extensive list of free resources in my photo gallery... open a picture (from 'it's time to get primal' to 'Clean')... in the comments section of most I've compiled lists of pertinent resources. Help yourself!



Now, here's where it gets confusing, LOL.... (@SUEACCT) 'Pam', isn't 'Paleo'... it's a modified oil... not pure (if I remember correctly, it's chemically processed?)... and Canola oil isn't even remotely Paleo... the fact that it's a GRAIN OIL and the processing makes it, from a Paleo perspective, about as unhealthy an oil as it can be. There is an Olive Oil version of 'Pam' (I think it's what my mom uses), I believe, but unless it's cold-pressed and unaltered, it's not 'Paleo' either. I've never used the stuff... the smell alone puts me off. MDA has a great article on oils:

www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils
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Having said that, I'm not sure the small amount a person would use, justifies offending the people around us, LOL! For instance, I don't ask how food is prepared, but I won't use the margarine offered to put on my veggies. It really does depend on what your body can tolerate. Our family is Paleo for our health, and because of the huge improvements we are seeing, we are rigid about some things. I know I risk offending some people, but it's a health issues for me and our daughter. The 80/20 idea is solid one, though, and once we are all solidly doing well, I'll feel more comfortable eating 'out' and making compromises. For now, I treat all social occasions like a potluck and bring a Paleo dish for everyone to share so it's not so obvious that we're potentially avoiding any food served.

I wish all success on your journeys!
Ramona

Edited by: _RAMONA at: 7/26/2012 (15:34)

'An Apple A Day' keeps the doctor away...
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I don't know what brand it actually is, but the only ingredient in it is canola oil. I figure if that's all it lists its probably safe :)

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7/26/12 10:14 A

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I offended my daughter already by doing this eating plan, then said I could not eat something due to the Pam she used. I don't think of Pam as paleo. Am I trying to be too much of a purist?

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Leighwoman, I'm glad to hear that you are still eating dairy - I don't eat a lot of it, but I am going to continue and see what my results are. Thanks for the recipe - it sounds delicious!!



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I'm still eating dairy - I went to a nutritionist and she basically put me on this paleo + dairy plan (the dairy is just another form of protein, and assures that I'm getting the calcium I need because you can't digest protein without calcium). The paleo crust is made completely of cheese - so if you're not eating dairy it wouldn't work for you :( But if you decide to try it it's super easy.

The crust is 4oz cream cheese, 1.25c mozzarella cheese, 2 eggs and 1/4c fresh parmesan. Mix those all together, spray a cookie sheet with pam and put down a piece of parchment paper, and then more pam on top. Spread the mixture thin over the parchment and bake at 400 for about 20 min until golden. Remove from oven, cool on a wire rack, when cooled, loosen from parchment paper but keep the parchment on the pan, put the crust back on the pan, top with your toppings and bake again at 400 for about 15 min.

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7/26/12 9:26 A

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I too am just starting this on a 30 day trial. Am pleased with a general lack of exterm hunger experienced with other diets. But need to plan better and do more cooking. Just tried at the end of long workdays and hate eating alone - the whole family is eating "regular".

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I would love your pizza recipe! I think my biggest obstacle is going to be the dairy - I love cheese and greek yogurt. But I'm determined to get these extra pounds off - and this seems to be the best way yet!

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Hi Pam! I'm a week in, too, and I'm LOVING it! I never thought I'd ever say that about a carb free lifestyle (At this point I'm about 95% carb free - even starchy veggies and fruits are severely limited) and it's so amazing not to have ANY cravings for it!

No tips yet, I have some great recipes (paleo pizza is becoming a favorite in our house) if you ever need some! Just wanted to say hi!

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I am just getting started on this Paleo journey - but it makes more sense than anything I have ever tried! I am not hungry, I am sleeping, my clothes are getting looser - and this is after one week!

Any advice? I would love to hear what's working for everyone - recipes, things to avoid, etc.

Thanks!
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