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9/12/11 11:44 A

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It would be a good idea to for him to consult a veggie friendly nutritionist &/or take a mini-course on veggie nutrition. At his age, he'd probably rather take advice from a third party (instead of his mom). Veggie/vegan/Kosher are all healthy eating styles, but need to be pursued mindfully so as not to get off balance. It would also be great if he'd track his nutrition on SparkPeople.

We've found that when we spend the extra money to buy organic, we make sure to eat it! We used to throw out a lot of food when we were buying conventional produce/products.


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8/30/11 1:03 P

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Okay, THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. I have to pull meself away from this thing and get DRESSED and go shopping for me boy. I'll stay in touch YOU ALL ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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8/30/11 12:56 P

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If you ask for it in the store it's pronounced keen-wa.

The laws about eating in the old testament are for keeping Kosher. Orthodox Jews keep Kosher because they feel it brings them closer by following strict laws. Also, before certain food safety issues it kept them from getting sick from seafood and trichinosis (in pork). But that isn't as much a concern anymore with food safety advances.
Most Christians don't keep Kosher because somewhere in the new testament it revokes a lot of the old laws.
At least, that is my vague understanding from my nutrition courses. We actually had a Rabbi come in and explain it to us, it was pretty cool! If he really wants to stick with keeping Kosher there are a lot of symbols that say whether it is Kosher or not on packaging. They have little K or U in a circle. Google images can bring up the other ones. There are a lot.

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It is unusual for a boy his age to be so focused on something like this, but frankly, it's better than being similarly focused on girls or sports or video games, IMHO. "Kosher" is what they call the rules regarding how the Jewish people ate (and still do). There are a whole bunch of rules. Some from the Torah, some added later. I know some Jews who won't eat cheeseburgers from the passage that says not to boil a calf in its mother's milk. There are lots of rules about what gets cooked when. If you look at a box that says "Parev" on it or has a fancy looking K it means it and the kitchen it was prepared in has passed inspection by a rabbi and follows all the Jewish laws regarding Kosher practices.



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8/30/11 12:51 P

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ZOOKEEPERMAMA YOU GOT THE PHOTOGRAPHY THING DOWN GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!! HONESTLY YOU DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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8/30/11 12:49 P

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Your son might be interested in this book: www.amazon.com/Creationist-Nutrition
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It's mostly vegetarian and centered around the foods spoken of in the Bible. It was very helpful to me for a while. I'd be much better off today if I'd followed it more closely these past few years!



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Hmmm I know there is eating the Bible Way, but I guess this is called "Keeping Kosher"??? I haven't heard this before. YES, my son is a VERY STRONG Christian and God has a call on his life. He even volunteered at the Adult Day Care near our house a 7 minute walk he can do without a need for a ride. YAY... He went on Bible Devotion Day once and they asked him if he'd do it every Tuesday and he LOOOOOOOOOOVED that. He's having a HARD TIME stayin on his Bible reading, Praying, Devotional etc... Christian Schedule he's made for himself now with School in. They share buses, so he had to be picked up to go to school ONE WHOLE HOUR earlier than necessary. He STAYS UP LATE to do all his Christian reading stuff, PLUS his school stuff so he goes to bed usually 10:00 or later and gets up at 4:30-5:00. With this way of eating his on it just all concerns me. I saw something on the news I recorded that I have to find there's a name for what he's doin. It's like a disorder thing they were talking about on the news. I'm NOT SAYING eating the Bible way is wrong, but the fact that he's OBSESSED and EXTREME in his ways makes me VERY CONCERNED.

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I get quinoa at Costco in giant million pound bags. It would probably be near rice in a regular grocery, probably in a little box.



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Yes, Crackers on the Couch is my blog. Thank you for your kind comments! I'm still learning the whole "food photography" thing... =)



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8/30/11 12:39 P

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Where do I find Quinoa in the stores this is new to me???

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Hah! When I first read your post I thought, "That boy sounds like he's keeping Kosher!" The Bible does have a lot of rules for people, especially the Jews regarding what they ate. But they were allowed to eat beef, goats, sheep... lots of things that were meat. Jesus ate fish. Romans 14:3 says: "The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. " I am a Christian. I believe everything the Bible says is true and inspired. I also believe your son is on a good path. Reading the Bible and eating fresh, whole food are both wonderful and healthy things. But I think the Bible also says a lot more about food that just what is written in the law. God bless your son on his walk. He is much further along that I was at his age!



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8/30/11 12:38 P

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I see, he read the part about keeping Kosher. Kosher practices are hard to do, and when only one family member is in on it I can see the serious challenge. Best of luck on that!

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No problem!
If you're going to buy anything at a higher price, spend the extra money on the eggs. They are healthier for him and you and the chicken and they taste better.
To keep costs down, farmers markets generally do have similar-priced or lower-priced vegetables than grocery stores. And whatever you do, don't buy produce from wal*mart because half of it is rotten before you get it to the car, and wasted cheap food is a lot more expensive than not-wasted local food!
There are literally thousands of recipes all over the internet that are great for vegetarians, so google is a great resource.

To keep costs down and still be healthy eat lots of vegetables that are in season, and try every bean you can find. They are cheap, healthy, and usually easy. Lentils are really high in protein, iron, and unlike most dry beans they are ready to eat in ~30-40 minutes.
The quinoa is a great idea too. Very high in protein and very versatile!
There is an indian lentil soup in my blog that has the lentils and yogurt so it's protein PACKED!
http://learningtocookvegetarian.blogspot
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best of luck!

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8/30/11 12:34 P

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Zookeepermama, is your blog the, "Crackers on the Couch"??? I LOVE all the colors on there. I saw a honey mustard Chicken recipe, so that's why I'm asking.

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THANK YOU Zookeepermama. Like I said my son is an EXTREMIST!!! This ALL STARTED with him reading in the Bible about not eating certain meats. He went to his uncles this past May and he cooked out on the grill PORK and OTHER MEATS. Once my son say his uncle TOUCH THE PORK THEN TOUCH THE MEATS HE WOULD EAT that's when he STOPPED eating meats all together. From there he ALSO got the idea of the MEAT FUMES goin on HIS FOOD. I MADE THE MISTAKE of cooking OUR PIZZA'S in the over first then cooking his and NOW........ he refuses to eat ANY PIZZA. YES, he's STOPPED goin to restaurants because of all this too and it's just getting to be WAY TOO MUCH for me. This is my concern. It's ONE THING to be a vegetarian, but a COMPLETELY different to take it to his level. He hasn't seen any video and he doesn't have a girl friend. He wants to keep his time free for God and just doesn't want all that's involved with getting married. THANK YOU AGAIN.

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I've got lots of Vegetarian recipes on my blog. Even if you don't end up using any of them, it might give you a few ideas. crackersonthecouch.blogspot.com/sear
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THANK YOU IMVEGAN. I LOVE the library cook book idea. I'll keep you posted. Yes, my son is VERY independant and does cook for himself I just need MORE OPTIONS of REAL FOOD FOR HIM THAT HOT. That's what he keeps saying I need REAL FOOD to eat that is HOT. He's eaten: Eggs, Cheeses, Greek Yogurt, Granola bars til they come out his ears, muffins, carrots, LOTS of Peasnut Butter, Nuts, Pop Tarts, English Muffins with Peanut butter, cooked tomato's, onions and peppers from our garden. (OUR FIRST GARDEN). :-D Spagettin, Mac & Cheese, Celery soup, canned veggies, Fresh Carrots, he's changed to wheat and whole grain breads no white. Talking about Stayin away from foods that are just SUGAR: white breads, potato's, rice. Don't think he likes the brown rice. We DO BUY the healthy noodles for spagetti's etc... I WANT TO SEARCH Veggy CASSEROLES that ARE EASY, NOT EXPENSIVE AND HEALTHY. THANK YOU for input.

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THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH Kerm107 for your long message of information. I'm goin shopping today for some foods. I DO NEED MORE IDEAS for a High Schooler to through foods in his back pack to EAT AT SCHOOL that DON'T NEED to be cold or heated. I WILL get the Mixed nuts THANK YOU. I'll check into the black beans and Bushs Chili Beans. I look forward to staying in touch. LORD KNOWS I'll need more advice I'm sure. Note: We don't have extra money to spend on the organics and all, so TRYING to keep costs down as well. FUN... FUN....

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8/29/11 10:01 P

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Also, as the other two said, have him help in cooking. Especially if he plans on going to college. I was at a SERIOUS determent for 4 years because I did NOT know how to cook ANYTHING!
Have him find a new recipe and cook vegetarian for the whole family once a week! He'll really appreciate it when he's in college or moves from home.

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I went vegetarian at 17. It sounds to me like your son either saw a PETA video or he's got a girlfriend who's veggie. If I had told my mother that the food I wanted couldn't even share the same oven, she'd have told me I could cook my own darn meals. I'm still vegetarian, my husband and sons are not. If our meals couldn't share the same oven, I'd never eat! Not to mention restaurants! There are lots and lots of canned beans that don't have animal fat. They are mostly the ones that are just one bean like kidney beans (ie, soup or baked beans will probably have meat unless it says "vegetarian" on the label.) There are lots of tasty vegan recipes out there on the Internet, but I wouldn't go too far out. Your son is old enough to start cooking his own food if he's going to be super picky. Quinoa is a good grain that cooks up fast and has a high protein content. Dried beans are inexpensive and very healthy. If he's worried about how the chickens are treated, there are lots of humane eggs are groceries these days or, even better, at farmer's markets...



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I can understand that you feel overwhelmed right now, but it is really easy to eat a well balanced and plant based diet. Your son is 16 and old enough to learn to buy and cook his own meals. Go to the library and get some vegan cook books. Let him choose some meals that he will enjoy. Have him go to the grocery store with you and have him cook along side you. He is old enough to take charge of his vegan lifestyle with your support.

Good luck. He will be fine. Many people thrive on a vegan diet, even professional athletes

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First of all - Don't worry!
If he's 16 a lot of the lack of sleep and energy can be from hormones too.
Second, I was a pain-in-the-ass vegetarian too and my mom survived and learned how to make it work!
If he eats adequate food he shouldn't need any vitamins. Girls sometimes need iron pills but boys for the most part don't. B12 is the only other real nutrient of concern and if he eats anything fortified it should be good. (Cereal, bread, etc)
Regular eggs really horrible for the animals, so I don't blame him there - but what is GREAT are eggs from a local farmers market, or organic, or 'free range' eggs and make sure they come from anti-biotic free hormone-free vegetarian hens. These have much more strict rules and the animals are treated much better and are able to express their natural instincts. More important to you - they are healthier. They have less saturated fat and more Omega-3.
Also, try and buy milk from grass fed cows, it also has more Omega-3. Vegetarians tend to have a slightly harder time getting Omega-3, but those two things help. The down side? They are more expensive. But they taste better and are guilt free protein!

Don't forget about nuts! Pack him snacks that are a mix of walnuts, cashews, sunflower seeds, etc. They are energy dense, have lots of good fat and protein!

Cut up veggies and have them around the house and serve them with Italian dressing or something of the like. They are even better if you can get them from a local farmer's market because they are more fresh and last a few days longer.

Quorn chicken is a fungus-based micro-protein. They have 'chicken breasts' that are very protein dense and taste AWESOME. We cook them in vegetable broth to ensure it stays really juicy. We have also put it in a casserole.

Taco Bell - of all places - actually has vegetarian beans and I think they taste better than most of the other canned beans. Or just get black beans, they RARELY have anything besides beans and a dash of salt.
Also try Buch's chili bean mix (it says add tomatoes and meat for chili) but I just do that in a tortilla with cheese and it's fast and easy! Or on eggs with cheese in the morning.
Yogurt is a great source of protein but most have geletain. Try StoneyField Organic yogurt. If that is out of your price range and you live in Indiana/Michigan area there are Meijers and they have geletain-free yogurt.

It does take practice, but he can be totally healthy. As a note - I'm not just some veggie-loving internet 'educated' person - I actually graduated from Purdue University this May in Nutrition Science - so I promise this is all science backed advice.
You are welcome to ask me more questions, and also you can check out my cooking blog at http://learningtocookvegetarian.blogspot.c
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Hi, My son will be 16 in Nov. He has stopped eating pork in May and then went to eating NO MEAT shortly after that. He is an EXTREMEST and WON'T eat ANYTHING that's cooked in the oven if it's been cooked in SEPERATE dishes the same time OR if cooked totally seperate AFTER a meat dish. He HAS to have his foods cooked BEFORE any meat dishes. It seems to be REALLY catching up with him lack of sleep, energy, moods from being tired. He WON'T take vitamins because they have TOO MUCH SUGAR or FISH!!! I've bought him Beans in cans etc... and he reads the labels CLOSELY and sees animal fat etc... NOW... he's TIRED of all the granola bars, hot cereals, fruits, bread stuff. WHAT CAN I DO I'M CONCERNED. He's not even sure if he wants EGGS. Doesn't want muffins etc... WHAT IS A MOM TO DO!!!???

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