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7/14/12 3:34 P

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Had that guy been changing a flat on his bicycle instead of pumping gas into his car when he was hit, it would have ended differently. The distracted motorist probably would have walked away with a ticket and no jail time.

It's sad, but true. It seems we mean less on bicycles.

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7/14/12 2:55 P

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We had a cyclist death in the area. Struck by a car.

Another cyclists was baited and run off the road by a truck. The Truck driver was caught and charged with reckless endangerment.

Both are new and details are not clear.

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7/14/12 7:15 A

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We just had a high profile case here in MN for a hit and run. The person hit and killed was putting gas in his car. The driver got 41 months in prison. And claims she didn't realize she had hit someone.

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7/5/12 10:26 P

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I would suggest supporting your local cycling advocacy organizations. Ours liaises with national groups to bring incidents like this to light and also to lobby local/state legislators to promote cycling friendly public policy. We recently passed a 4 ft passing rule here and there are additional penalties. Back the the OT, glad to hear the perpetrator was arrested, how one could strike another person with a vehicle and drive away...just inhumane.

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7/4/12 1:32 P

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Don, you have it!

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7/4/12 1:22 P

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True enough...you could have the same content but with everything being done with the utmost in safety being emphasized. It'd be a great promo for the bike companies!

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7/4/12 1:19 P

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Don,

That video is a template but not very safe cycling. Much more attention needs to be put on safety. It doesn't show stopping, starting, yielding right of way, or any of the basic riding etiquette. The three tri-athletes were 1/2 wheeling and looking for a crash, real poor example, should be 2 by 2, close the gaps, shoulders up, and never 1/2 wheel.

Trek, Giant, Specialized and the other mfgs should do something like this with safety in mind.

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7/4/12 12:44 P

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Glad Glad,

Like I said, enforcement. The means for drivers and for cyclists.

Don,

Working with the community to promote cycling. Let's remove the word cycling and put in safety. After the 2nd death, Jeff Litman there was an effort to make people more aware. The online newspaper blog had to be closed because tempers were so high. I talked to a few bike stores and asked if they could do some joint things with the news media. The local anchor/reporter is a tri-athlete, this would be great, get law enforcement involved, safety, education even talk to Trek.

The news man said it was too political of a subject and he didn't want to be harassed while cycling, the bike shop employees wanted to do it by owners didn't, law enforcement was taking heat from the two deaths and there were civil suits going on, so it all stopped. Trek does educate and had been doing that but they need help to promote from the local area bike shops, schools, and clubs.

I ride alone most of the time. Therefore, a target to direct anger by any motorist that has been the victim of the large cycling mobs as mentioned by Glad Glad. She is correct. Once you get a group like that they take over everything and don't obey any traffic signs, cross the center-line going up hills, hold traffic back, and total disregard for the law. They will even go down the bike trail 4 abreast and force joggers and recreational cyclists off the path.

Regarding cyclists attacking motorists, that can happen. Motorists attacking cyclists, that is common. In the city I saw a smaller women at a stoplight in her proper lane waiting for the light to change and following the law. A truck was behind her, the driver got out, picked up her on the bike and body slammed her to the sidewalk during a charity ride. It knocked her out and broke her helmet. A group followed the truck to the next stoplight and call 911. This is an issue with society and that is not real easy to change, there is no respect for people, the law, or life.

Enforcement of all laws! Cyclists must obey, motorists must obey and that can only happen when there is a consistent enforcement.

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7/4/12 12:27 P

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I am always so astonished and saddened when I hear stories of cyclists behaving this way...just WOW! Let's do our best to keep setting the best possible examples...sheesh!

Here is an example of a great PR video (shared by a member of our local bike club) San Diego developed to promote cycling in their community:

www.youtube.com/embed/UhMQMhGsaBs

We need to keep doing our best to enhance our image within the community!

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7/4/12 12:05 P

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First of all, I want to say I'm glad that the driver was identified. As with everyone else here, I hope they are prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law. Please keep us updated on charges filed,

I am going to play devil's advocate here for a moment. We have a couple of different groups of riders of 20+ people who ride along A1A (the road along the Atlantic Ocean). This is generally a 2 lane road (1 lane in each direction) and it's narrow. There's just enough room for cars to pass each other with single file bikes on the shoulder. A couple of cycling groups ride pelaton style, taking up half or more of the road. That's fine if you can keep up the 30 to 35 mph speed limit, but they generally ride in the low to mid 20s and refuse to make way for cars to pass. There was a recent incident where a couple of cyclists beat up a man in a convertible at a stop light, alleging he clipped one of their riders with his mirror as he passed them. The person who was allegedly clipped said he was not, and the motorist didn't hit anyone. The cyclists not only beat up the man, but stomped on the hood of his car damaging it and tore his leather seats.

In another incident on Palm Beach, the cyclists were again impeding traffic. A motorocycle cop tried to get them to stop to tell them to ride single file, but they refused, so the officer called for back ups and they set up a roadblock and started handing out tickets. So, I can understand why motorists have negative feelings about cyclists. Personally, I obey all traffic lights AND road signs. I see many cyclists blow through stop signs like they own the road. They go through red lights if the traffic clears. They blow across crosswalks while pedestrians are crossing, despite posted signs saying traffic must stop if pedestrians are in the crosswalk. I think if bicycles are allowed on the road and fall under the same category as automobiles, then they need to heed ALL traffic laws or risk a ticket. Cyclists must earn respect, too.

Now back to the cyclist side - we are out there pretty much unprotected other than our helmets. While some people get annoyed with having to slow down to get around cyclists, if they hit us, they have to live with not only the legal consequences, but having to live with knowing they hurt, maimed, or killed someone. That's not something most of us want to live with. Unfortunately for those people who throw bottles, cigarettes, food, spit, or scream at us, they aren't thinking. For them it's just a moment of sport or amusement to watch a cyclist react.

Maybe there needs to be more attention to the rules on cyclists in driver's education, because most people don't even realize that bicycles are supposed to be ridden on the road, and it's illegal to ride them on the sidewalk. Maybe when you renew your license you have to take and pass a short quiz covering things like rules on drinking, speeding, cyclists, pedestrian right of way. I have had a couple of speeding tickets and did the online course to keep from getting points on my license. It wouldn't hurt to include a couple of questions on the rules involving cyclists.

I think that more education is needed as well as enforcement and beefing up of existing laws.

-Carolyn

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7/4/12 11:12 A

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Great ideas also BARRONVC!

Perhaps working on BOTH ends, dogging the perps and showing that there are consequences to mistreating cyclists, but also efforts to promote cyclists as a positive asset to the community. For instance I love our local bike club's efforts to rehab castaway bikes and give them away to those who cannot afford bikes. Additionally we work with the police to coordinate community bike riding events and partner with schools to lead after-school bike rides with interested students. Granted, such efforts won't reach EVERYBODY, however it does help to promote cyclists as a valuable part of the community and indirectly promotes greater respect toward cyclists on the road.

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7/4/12 10:47 A

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Don,

I agree with you in theory. It would be great if we could get it done in the law books. The reality is different than the "perceived intent".

Don, I would love to see you promote and move these ideas forward. I would love to see a cycling self funded lobby. I would love to see these visions come to be.

The problem is society and respect for others. I must say I can get out of work, hop on a bike train and ride at least 70 miles round trip going through 2 cities. There are a few miles or two on city streets but the infrastructure is there. What is missing is the enforcement of existing laws.

Ride on the roads and the police tell you not too. Go on the trails and get harassed by kids, gangs, druggies or some person with their 100 lb dog off the leash darting across the trail (each entrance is clearly posted pets must be on leash). You tell the person to put the dog on the leash and you get the finger as well as a threat. Call the enforcement and they do nothing. Who pays the bill if you hit a dog at 20mph and go on your head, you could be killed. If the owner got a ticket the 1st time it's double damages. These are a few small things.

Don, agreed we could use a more pedestrian/cycling safe society. Everything points to enforcement of the existing laws. Bottom-line we are not valued. Let's do something about this. How about writing letters to the DA's where bike/pedestrians are injured or killed?

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7/4/12 10:21 A

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Other countries are able to promote a safe bicycle / automobile co-existence...we have to keep pressing our cause!

Part of the problem is that our transportation infrastructure doesn't promote pedestrian / cycling safety to the degree that it could & should. The latest transportation bill that either got passed or soon-to-be-passed has gutted provisions for enhancing pedestrian / cycling safety and caved into special interests who pressed to allow states to do what they wished with this funding without strings requiring pedestrian / cycling upgrades to communities.

We need to be mindful of our politicians and speak up to them about our interests in promoting a safe community that is inviting for folks to get out and MOVE their bodies!

I think this in turn promotes communities that are "sticky" and entices voters and taxpayers to stay put and invest in their community rather than to leave and further erode the tax base.

Just my 2 cents...

Great to hear of this perp's apprehension...hoping there are some serious repercussions!

Don

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7/4/12 12:50 A

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These are the two guys I knew. I knew about the Chris Hansen death but didn't know her.

It's time to be counted. There are groups but I think we need more. We all need to be counted. The number one problem in my opinion is enforcement. The police in my area are against cyclists, DA's don't do the right thing, and judges move cases.

Drinking was probably involved, when a bottle is chucked at me it's usually a beer bottle or cigarette butt..


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7/3/12 10:16 P

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I was genuinely saddened upon hearing the news of the fellow cyclist getting killed in a hit and run. Glad that they found the responsible driver.

Incredibly, I had been shopping for a road bike, now I have decided to stick with my mountain biking as a result of these sad news.

It seems to me that bicycle tracks must be separated from roads, otherwise such incidents will keep happening.



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7/3/12 9:44 P

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Thanks for letting us all know.
Cyclist are not treated with respect by drivers here in Alaska either. Many hit by cars have been given tickets by the police for "failure to yield"...

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7/3/12 9:02 P

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They really need to check where he was that day. It seems history will give the true picture. There was a real problem getting answers regarding those deaths in my area.

Just a note. After may last friend was killed and another was hit by a 16 year old and broke her back we got shirts that said "3 Feet Please". The 1st time I wore it I got a soda tossed at me and yelled at a few times. I don't think the mentality is working and a stronger message needs to be sent.

Thanks to everyone and bless the family.

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My guess is that there was alcohol involved. When is saving face worth more than someone's life? Did he turn himself in, or did they find him via surveillance cameras?

Barron...is one of the cases you're mentioning Chris Hansen from Green Bay? She was a friend of mine. I heard that driver got a ticket for inattentive driving. That's it. Sad, isn't it?

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Glad they found the guy. I also hope they prosecute to the fullest extent. At the very least, it might bring some peace to the family. Thanks for letting us know.

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It's open season here in WI. Two killed, drivers fault, no jail, just a $400 fine. I'm hoping that changes.

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I agree with you, Bill, and am glad he was arrested. I just hope your state actually pursues prosecution with great fervor and finds him guilty of at least Second Degree Manslaughter. Here, in Tennessee, it seems it's open season on cyclists year round.

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Thanks BIll.

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A 64 year old man was arrested in connection with the Hit and Run death of our member, W5VEOTX. The individual claims to have hit something, but continued driving without stopping. To me, with what little I know of the incident, it's totally inconceivable that someone would knowingly hit an object (hard enough to knock off the car's antenna) and continue driving.

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