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Thanks VISION-QUEST2 for the link. Listening to our body is essential while practicing Yoga or any kind of exercises if we don't want to get injured. With Yoga also is important a good breathing technique and take our time to enter the pose, stay in the pose and transition to the next pose.

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You are right - VQ, thanks for pointing that out :) We should DEFINITELY listen to our bodies, and not push to injury.

I just meant -- as the body is able -- to make sure she's not short-changing her efforts by not going to where she can. I can get "lazy" some days, and it is helpful if I remember to watch my placement and make sure I'm aiming for my own edge, without injury.



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"You should strive for a 90 degree bend -- and that will make it more challenging strength-wise"

"Chaturanga - nice deep 90 degree bend of the elbows, or does it stop part way down before pushing in to upward dog ..."

Those are textbook picture ideals ... and could be straining one's shoulders, joints and tendons.

Many do not have the range of motion. I certainly know *I* don't. I've been practicing for 6 years regularly ... I am not striving for a knee replacement, or a hip replacement any time in a few years after I push 60 y.o. And you can bet I am nowhere closer to "achieving" lotus than I had been about 3 years in, which is: I need to sit in easy pose ... on a block ...

But to the Type A's out there, disregard what I said ... and pretend that being able to get into Adept's posture (half-lotus) is a prerequisite to attending your first class ... If that were so, yoga studios (even here in New York City) wouldn't be doing half the land-office business they do, even at the$e carriage trade price$

For the rest of us (and those Type A's who do not want to enrich their orthopedic surgeons down the line), may I recommend:

www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Yoga-Paul-Gri
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So over classes like that, so over ideals like that. Even The Nameless Studio knew better, and they were one of the more martinet yogis around.

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Hey Bookworm!

I LOVE that you got to try a breathing yoga session, and FELT the difference :) There are so many different things you can get from yoga class, and I think sometimes people are looking only for the exercise -- which you can definitely get -- but it's so much more when you get something deeper than that :) And it sounds like you got your first taste of that! Hooray!

Be sure to check your poses, too -- some examples: Warrior can be made more or less intense by the bend in your knee. You should strive for a 90 degree bend -- and that will make it more challenging strength-wise. I often find that if I don't pay attention to my positioning, I'll start creeping up on the various lunge-style poses, and not be bending as deeply, and therefore not getting as intense a workout as I could. Some days, that' better for me and I need to go easy. But see if you can find a mirror or window reflection to watch yourself, and see how deep you're getting. Is your back nice and straight on a plank? Because having your bum sticking up or back arching down will use less muscle (and not be as nice for the spine) How low/deep can you go in chair/Utkatasana? Is the weight back in your heels? How low do you go with Chaturanga - nice deep 90 degree bend of the elbows, or does it stop part way down before pushing in to upward dog?

So see if you're getting deep enough in to the poses :) It could be that you've got some great muscle strength already from your other activities.

It sounds like you have a lot of resources - so now it's time to explore and play! :)

Thanks for sharing your story - and I'm glad you're continuing to practice and give it a fair shot to see where it can lead!



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Kripalu is a great center to learn Yoga, they have home base yoga classes online for free, at beginner, intermediate and advance level. You mentioned you had experience breathing techniques that in a synchronized way matches the poses. That is a good start, you can learn the poses and improve their expression with time.

Yoga Journal is going to start a free 21 day challenge for beginners and intermediate level on June, check it out. The instructors are great Jason Crandelll, Natasha Rizopoulos among others. She is also in Kripalu Center

www.yogajournal.com/21daychallenge/

What type of Yoga is suitable for you? www.ivillage.com/yoga-which-type-rig
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what you mentioned as old yoga people is rather modified yoga poses for people with special needs irrespective of age. Iyengar Yoga focus in modified poses to help achieve a better expression of the pose irrespective of health issues.

Ultimate Power Yoga and Daily Yoga are very good dvds with Rodney Yee, who is an acclaimed instructor. Shiva Rea also is a great instructor. Rodney also has a dvd Yoga Conditioning for Athletes with specific yoga poses for runners.

Have an interesting journey, discovering Yoga will give you much more than what you think yoga is...Namaste!

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Oh, dear, I hope you don't think I"m a total pain, vision_quest2. I'm not trying to be!
I will look at that one again--actually, I think I flagged the "everyday for every body" one yesterday when I was looking. My hips are not TOO bad, neither is my IT. Not compared to my hammies anyway. Sigh.
OK. Here's what I THINK I want: calming, restful and learning for now, during running season. When I'm done race training for the year (do NOT like running in snow, lol) then maybe I want to look at some ways to build strength, too, in my practice. Maybe no butt-kicking right away, but I WOULD like more strength. My exercise phys. friend told me that although I can lift a lot of weight, doing things like supporting my weight on my arms in yoga is different, a more functional strength, different from pushing up a bar, and of course balance is really critical too. He doesn't do yoga himself but thinks it could also do to help me with strength training. It seems from reading the zillion videos recommended on that other thread, and every purchaser rating for every one on amazon.com (sigh) that there ARE some vinyasa-type things that don't move too quickly that are not exactly TOTALLY beginner-ish, but might not be totally out of my range to learn about slowly if I spend some time really focusing on learning more about basic yoga now? Does that sound more do-able and less split-personality, vision_quest2? I clearly have a LOT to learn about really basic things, like breathing, lol, that I "assumed" were easy things but it seems I don't know that much yet, so that seems like the place I'll be for at least some time this summer. Then maybe explore more, later. Does that sound more sensible?

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Old people yoga does NOT always equal restorative yoga, yin yoga or gentle yoga.

FYI, I have done Susan Winter Ward's Yoga for the Young at Heart, Everyday Yoga for Every Body (Level 3 in that series), after about 5 years of regular yoga practice - mostly a more boxy, power yoga-ish vinyasa style - and it is difficult to practice for someone who does not have open hips (which I suspect you do, as the avid runner you are) ...it is challenging. She does not go all that slow at all.

But that dvd IS the most difficult one in her series.

Of course, I know you want to get a kick-butt but calming workout.
Only pilates can give you that.

The more kick butt the yoga practice, the less it may relax you. Tell me if you feel relaxed after gymnastics class, because that is what the commercialized, hyped conception of today's yoga has been distilled down to.

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Thanks, everyone. Yes, Im a little type A. :-) And I only meant by the old people yoga that I didn't really need stuff adapted for people with serious limitations--I recently sent some dvd ideas to my mil who is handicapped with rheumatoid arthritis and needed something she could do from a chair. I guess I'm still primed to think, at my age, if I'm working out I need to be sweating and working hard. I'm kind of rethinking.
I actually did a beginners from yogatoday yesterday morning. Yes, it moved kind of slow, and I had to struggle a little bit with thoughts like "I wish we'd get up and get going!' BUT the instructor had us focus a LOT on breathing, and explained some of it that I had not known. (I was like, OH, duh, that's why they do that!") and when we did get a little more active later, I found that I stayed with my breath much, much better---and that when I did that, the poses FELT more, even though they didn't seem very hard. Does that make sense? Anyway, that was kind of a neat revelation for me. So clearly there is something useful for me to learn here. I still kind of hope to end up eventually doing some power yoga, but I'm ready for now to explore several teachers/videos mentioned either here or on another group thread I found yesterday. I wrote down a whole bunch, saved a ton from youtube, and will be exploring around until I find instructors that seem to meet me where I am.
And yes, I have just this week switched to doing yoga after my runs instead of the typical stretches I had been doing before--found some on youtube that were aimed at after-run practice, and felt like I had a good stretch, AND felt more relaxed afterwards. Score!
Thanks, everyone. I am learning a lot more since I joined here. Maybe I'm not hopeless after all.

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Old people yoga? how funny way to put it! I don't think there is such a yoga. Everything is in the eye of the beholder. If by old yoga people, you mean, slow motion or still poses like in Restorative Yoga or Yin Yoga or even Hatha Yoga you are missing the point. Still yoga poses are hard and serve a purpose.

Yoga Journal would be a good source of information about different types of Yoga and their purposes. Probably what you would like is Power Yoga, or Vinyasa Yoga, moving from one pose to another in perfect synchronization with your breath. I imagine this is your type of Yoga because you like Tara Stiles, which is a very young instructor, always on the move, who in mho is not a good instructor. Fortunately there are so many instructors in the WEB, check the Yoga Forum for info in many interesting links free or for a fee. Yoga is a personal experience and what is attractive to one might not be attractive to other, the purpose of Yoga and Meditation for that matter is to balance body and mind. To teach us mindfulness, live in the moment, No to to master complicated poses and be better than your neighbor.

All the responses have been very interesting. Also for a runner like yourself, yoga poses offer a good stretches for those muscles that runners use.

Too many things to explore and learn. Welcome to your Yoga Journey! Namaste!

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Wow, you got a lot of responses! I didn't get to read them all, so I'm sorry if I repeat things :)

You sound like a Type A personality, I'm guessing ;-)

First of all (and i"m sure they're saying it) is don't feel rushed to get improvements. I have been working on the same arm balance for almost a year, and it's only now starting to "click" with my brain and body to get it! Others get it faster, but that's my pace. Same goes for flexibility. And I have been doing yoga on and off for years, with a bigger focus in the last year, and I STILL fall out of balance poses :) Some days more often than others.

Second - it is definitely harder to learn from DVDs/books than with a teacher who can give you actual hands-on tips. So, if you can even make it to a few classes, or private class, just a few physical adjustments that you can take home may help.

Also - what are your goals with yoga? If you're looking for stress relief and flexibility, you may want to look in to Yin Yoga. However, often (not always) yoga styles that focus on calming movements will not be the same ones that are cardio and strength focused. And vice versa. There is Power Yoga if you want some strength and cardio work. I am a HUGE fan of the free podcasts from Dave Farmar for power yoga classes ( www.davefarmar.com/podcasts.p
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). But if you are feeling like a beginner still, then I'd check out 20 Minute Yoga from Yoga Download (both of these I get from the iTunes store for free, if you have iTunes) These are great because they have everything from super beginner (like, you're in down dog for several minutes as they talk about each part of the body's placement and focus) to advanced, to special style focuses. Also, they provide free pdf files that you can download, that show each pose they are walking you through.

Perhaps you can find a way to record your improvements so you can see them. Maybe record yourself practicing; or measure how many inches you are away from your toes when doing a seated forward fold, or how close your heels are to the ground in down dog; or how long can you hold plank pose... and then see if those numbers change over a month :)

Don't give up :) Yoga isn't about just about powering through to a physical change, it's about a lifestyle of listening to your body, and pushing to your own edge, at your own pace. And you're never too old for yoga!




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"I want to feel like I worked but not feel like a total failure. And I definitely do need something that will help me calm. Any ideas?"

Cyndi Lee OM Yoga Beginner/Intermediate ... it's also a bit a poignant New York City history, as included as an extra on that DVD is a tour of her 1-year-closed-and-defunct yoga studio on Union Square ...

If you can't get centered and calm from that dvd (and it is approximately as fast-paced as the practice I have created for my own home use ... I recently lost quite a bit of weight and had to recently speed up what *I*, myself do--quite a shock, as I am 58 and have been practicing yoga regularly for the past 6 years! ... lol ...had been introduced to yin yoga at age 16) you may have problems beyond the scope of SP or, for that matter, general non-chemical means ... no shame in that ...


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BTW you all are pretty amazing and inspiring. Glad I showed up and asked today. Thanks.

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OK. (Can you hear my deep breathing here.) I am listening. I think I just transferred my unhealthy slightly obsessed focus on my last 10 pounds that refuse to go anywhere, and tried to have a healthier thought (Just focus on eating better and exercising better) and got obsessed again. I'm just so afraid of gaining weight back that taking time that isn't clearly working hard is scary. Taking time that feels like I'm not clearly improving is scary. I'm kind of naturally goal-oriented but it is starting to cost me in my anxiety levels. It's kind of hard to accept that it might be OK to walk a few minutes during my 5K or that I might not ever be able to do a great sun salutation series. Had a tough run today, my weight bumped up a little (yes, I know it's probably normal fluctuation) and got panicky. Sigh. Will be checking out some of the ideas that vision quest2 mentioned.
OK. Maybe I need some "not TOO beginning but not too advanced" stuff. Tried Basic Yoga for Dummies on youtube. Too slowpaced. Can't keep up with SlimCalmSexy yoga or with Tara Stiles. I want to feel like I worked but not feel like a total failure. And I definitely do need something that will help me calm. Any ideas?

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I practiced yoga in my early 20s and then let it get away from me. I started practicing about a year ago at age 39. My flexibility is not coming back as quickly as I anticipated. At first I was very frustrated, but I have come to realize that it's not really about the flexibility at all. Your goal in yoga is not to get your hand flat on the floor (or on the floor, or even near the floor). Instead, you should focus on posture, breathing, and engaging all of your muscles. After a year back into yoga, I don't notice a huge difference in my flexibility, but I do notice a huge difference in how I feel and how I move. I hope you stick with it!

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From my perspective you are never too old for yoga. I started yoga when I was 60 (68 now). I was lucky enough to find some excellent teachers.
I am suggesting a metaphor to help you think about your progress in yoga. When you first leaned to read you started out listening to stories (watching DVD's of yogis and yoginis), learning your ABC's.... down dog, warrior poses, etc. You keep learning how to read as you keep learning more about your body as you practice yoga. Eventually, just as in your reading learning, you know employ the skill of reading to learn. For me in yoga, that means that I am learning to listening to the conversation between my body and brain and adjust my yoga practice to challenge and meet the needs of both.
In other words, like so much else in life, yoga is a process.

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I forgot to add ... if you could stand the profane attitude and the sexist spin on the practice, why not also check out the dvd set Arthur is using: DDP Yoga ...?

If you would like more flexibility, why not do a style that attracts that which courts us dancer-types, Shiva Rea ... ?

I have taken a few live yoga classes inspired by Shiva Rea's style ... I have her dvd, Yoga Shakti. I don't really recommend it as I have used it for reference purposes only ... but it still, for a DVD, greatly informs the yoga-pilates fusion practice I do ...


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Thanks again for help and answers and spending time giving me ideas. I appreciate it. Will look up all those people and videos. IF it makes you feel better, most of the time I land on my blocks it's from the blocks lying by my mat, and I'm REALLY REALLY trying to get my hand all the way down on the floor, but can only reach my fingertips, then try to rotate up----and over I go. LOL Would probably be much better if I'd swallow the pride and just USE the block, huh? ROFLOL

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If you like Tara Stiles (though I may have misread youyou claim you are "getting old" in your first post) and you still want a young person teaching you yoga, I think Alanna Kaivalya is probably fine ...

If you are ok with the tried and true, then I can suggest Seane Corn, Rodney Yee, Baron Baptiste, Bryan Kest, Yoga Zone, Cyndi Lee, or downloads from myyogaonline ...

Blocks are meant to be used to extend your reach to the floor. If entire limbs are crashing onto blocks on the floor, from falling out of postures, no _wonder_ you're frustrated. You don't have to be using Arthur as your inspiration/guide on how a beginner should be practicing ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448 ...

But if you must, can't help you HERE ...


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I'm glad for the answer, and I'm not worried about being politically correct. I guess I don't really expect to lose weight just from the yoga. I do run 3x per week and am training for 5k's this summer. I DO want to toss my hand weights for a while---maybe through the window! I'm tired of them. I can lift lots of weight with them, in fact I really can't progress unless I buy much heavier ones---25lb and more. But I don't want old people yoga! LOL I don't feel that old yet. I don't think I LOOK that old yet! I know I'm not 20 anymore, lol, but I do feel healthy and strong--until Tara Stiles does a side crow and I fall over, anyway. LOL I guess I can see myself improving in everything else I am doing. I kept lifting progressively heavier weights until I worked myself out of my cheap ones. I increase my running time and pace every week. I can see and measure that. I WANT to be able to do triangles and bends and maybe one day even crow! How do I get there when I seem to be getting nowhere? I have a few 60 min flows from the Tara Stiles DVD's, and when I attempt them, at the end I feel terrific--challenged, my muscles are shaking, but by the end I also feel relaxed and rejuvenated and glowing--except I can only correctly manage half the moves! I have to confess to being a bit of a perfectionist. I do know I need some time. I didn't really expect to be doing handstands yet! But I DO want a practice that is challenging and can actually get me somewhere. Is a 45 year old runner with tight hamstrings just STUCK with the only option being yoga for older people? PS I do have some blocks, and am trying to use them. I find them very useful---they are much softer to fall on than the floor. LOL

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The great thing to know about yoga, is that you don't have to do any of those things: touch the floor in triangle, fold in half, bend in half, support your weight on your hands, head or any other appendage ... to be doing great yoga.

Yoga by slick, young, commercial people will probably frustrate someone new to the practice, tight, stiff, overweight or compromised by disease ...

Try to get ahold of Yoga for the Young at Heart by Susan Winter Ward, or any yoga dvd/download that does not promise or promote weight loss.

Weight loss comes overwhelmingly from diet and from doing dedicated cardio (rapid, shallow or heavy breathing is experienced - not rhythmic, slow breathing), or light weight training ...

Sorry for not giving you the promoted, politically correct, hyped answer on this one ...


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I just started more serious attempts at yoga several weeks ago. I really don't have many classes available to me in my rural area. So I've been using videos and a few books and youtube. I'm 45. I also run/walk for fitness, and had been lifting weights but was feeling bored and stuck, and having a lot of stress in my life, so yoga seemed a perfect fit. Got the SlimCalmSexy yoga DVD first. It was WAY too hard and moved way too fast. So got a pack of Tara Stiles DVD's instead (I loved the SlimCalmSexy book so much, but videos are a big help to me.) But after several weeks, I feel like I'm really no better at it. My hamstrings and lower back are still tight. (I am a normal weight but hoping to lose a few pounds of tummy fat still.) I still fall out of balance poses. I still can't support my weight on my arms. I want to feel at the end of my workout like I worked out--I do this especially on between-run days--but I also want to do it right and improve. Am I just too old? How do I move beyond what I seem to have down (not a lot--can sit on my sit bones, cross my legs and breathe!!! lol) but still get a good workout and start getting better? I hate not being able to do something. The people on the videos make all this look so darn easy!!! Help!

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