SparkPeople Living Primal in a Modern World Team Messageboard This team is for those who are following the Primal Blueprint and/or Paleo lifestyle, and for those who would like to learn more about it. SparkPeople Living Primal in a Modern World Team Messageboard Brand New Hi, I pretty much am brand new to Paleo, but am willing to give it a try. I look forward to learning a lot here. Sun, 5 Oct 2014 23:38:35 EST Homemade mayo? I made a homemade mayo with avocado oil and I didn't like it at all. <em>39</em> Does anyone have any other mayo recipes? Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:53:23 EST ~ CK's PPC: FOODS TO AVOID ~ <em>227</em> DO NOT POST ... INFORMATION ONLY <em>227</em> <BR> Foods to avoid completely with Your Personal Paleo Code <BR> <BR> Avoid these foods completely in Step 1 and Step 2. <BR> <BR> NOTE: You may eat them occasionally in Step 3 (after the 30 day reset) following the 80/20 rule. <BR> <BR> There are also additional foods to be avoided in Step 1 and reintroduced in Step 2 to find out how you react to them; these are listed under Step 1. <BR> <BR> Sweeteners, real and ar... Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:33:19 EST ~ CK's PPC: FOODS TO EAT MODERATELY ~ <em>227</em> DO NOT POST ... INFORMATION ONLY <em>227</em> <BR> Limit consumption of these foods compared with those in the Eat Liberally category. <BR> <BR> Note that you should avoid foods that you react badly to. Also see notes below on recommendations for various health conditions. <BR> <BR> Processed meat <BR> 2-4 servings a week is fine. <BR> Sausage, bacon (both cured and uncured), salami, pepperoni, and jerky <BR> Make sure they’re gluten-, sugar-, ... Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:50:50 EST ~ CK's Personal Paleo Code... what it is ~ Start on step 1 if you’re new to the Paleo approach and feel lousy or want to lose weight. <BR> <BR> This quick-start eating plan presses the reset button on your diet, targeting and eliminating the modern foods that humans aren’t genetically designed to eat— the foods that are the leading culprits in weight gain and health problems. <BR> <BR> Follow this for 30 days, then move to step 2. Don’t cheat on this step, as it could set you back. <BR> <BR> The first few days can be hard, especial... Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:28:05 EST ~ Paleo Trouble shooting pdf. ~ Robb wolf sent this to me in an email. Looks to be very helpful. <BR> <BR><BR>et-guides.pdf <BR> <BR> ~ Dee <em>334</em> Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:57:39 EST FDA's new position on cheese... or not? Got this link in my email today. What's next?!? The best cheeses are ALWAYS aged this way! <BR> <BR> <link><BR>2%80%99t-know-about-farming-and-food-c<BR>ould-fill-an-encyclopedia/ </link> Tue, 17 Jun 2014 20:27:35 EST Newly paleo-ish Hi everyone... I started changing my diet in the first week of this month and WOW what a difference. I've felt so much better and have lost a fair bit of weight. I've been eating carefully more often than not, with only a few slips and mistakes, plus some very dark chocolate. I've been viewing it as a detox but the longer I keep it up the more I think this has to be permanent. Each time I've eaten the wrong things I've paid for it quite thoroughly, and I'm tired of feeling lousy! <BR> <BR> I... Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:12:45 EST Waves Am new and just saying hi.......that is all.............bwhahahahahahhahaha Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:39:34 EST My Lifestyle Diet with Wiggle Room I live caveman for the most part. I don't even technically "wash" my hair. However, as I type this, a sweet donut is still being savored in my mouth. A regular donut. Not a hybrid acceptable paleo version, but a real donut. And nothing compliments my black coffee better. And for once in my life, I'm okay with that fact. I work out and only eat natural foods, when I'm good on this, I shred fat. It's amazing. I love this lifestyle. Not like I eat donuts regularly, but I cheat 1-5 times... Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:30:43 EST ~ Book Recommen ation... FREE ONLINE BOOK ~ A few years ago a Spark friend of mine, aka MELTNSUE mailed me a print copy of the following book: <BR> <BR> "Transformational Weight Loss" by Charles Eisenstein... A personal revolution for food and body sanity. <BR> <BR> Here is the description from the back of the book. <BR> <BR> "If trying hard didn't work, isn't trying harder doing more of what doesn't work? There is another way. This book is for the 95% of dieters who end up gaining all the weight back (ME!!!!) after every diet they'... Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:54:00 EST FREE: Time Sensitive: PaleoCon PALEOCON: <BR> <link> </link> <BR> PaleoCon Begins <BR> January 27th at 12:00AM PST <BR> <BR> We’ve gathered over 25 renowned experts—including best-selling authors, nutritionists, doctors, sought-after chefs, olympic athletes, and more to guide you through the most effective and practical implementation of the Paleo diet & Paleo lifestyle… so that THIS is the year you are finally able to use the Paleo Diet to change your life, forever. <BR> <BR> ...And it’s AL... Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:43:33 EST a pioneer woman born in the wrong century! Hi all, <BR> My name is Carol. I'm not especially old - older than I ever thought I'd be - but lost my body to pregnancy and degenerated joints and close to 100 extra pounds now (28 years working on that!) <BR> I found primal eating somehow. I don't even know how now. It is remarkable how good I feel eating the foods my body was designed to digest! I say I'm a pioneer woman hiding in a 21st century world because for as long as I can recall, I have been drawn to this lifestyle - it just wasn't... Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:45:02 EST "How to Recover from Holiday Over-ind ulgence" CLICK THE LINK BELOW FOR THE ARTICLE: "How to Recover from Holiday Over-indulgence"... very helpful tips: <BR> <BR> <link><BR>er-from-holiday-overindulgence/#axzz2p<BR>CsMQbMm </link> <BR> <BR> ~ Dee <em>220</em> Wed, 1 Jan 2014 22:15:14 EST restrict ed-carb, Paleo, and Primal plans I’m planning to post a thread in the “Diet and Nutrition” forum on the differences and similarities between low/restricted-carb, Paleo, and Primal diets, since many people seem to be confused by them. <BR> <BR> I hope you will all come by to offer your perspectives to the discussion! <BR> <BR> <link><BR>essageboard.asp?imboard=7&imparent=326<BR>72714 </link> <BR> Sun, 22 Dec 2013 09:47:44 EST Looking for a bit of help. Hi there everyone, <BR> I began reading up on primal eating two weeks ago, and it made so much sense to me that I started immediately. Haven't touched a piece of bread to my lips since and feel great. I have some difficulty with completely eliminating everything because I own and cook in a small restaurant, which requires me to taste soups and sauces which aren't primal(thickened with oil and flour roux). However it also gives me an advantage because I have a vast food supply to play with. I... Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:25:16 EST Feeling my way Hello! I'm Cindy, and I've been eating Paleo since Sept. 15. Around June this year, a couple of friends and colleagues (I'm a martial arts instructor.), recommended Mark's Daily Apple to me, and while it took me a while to get around to reading it, when I did, I liked what I saw. I also wound up at the Whole9 site, looking at the Whole30 challenge. <BR> <BR> I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (I.e. hypothyroid), and rosacea and I'm insulin resistant, so the idea of being able to improve my autoi... Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:20:02 EST Gluten-Free Butternut Spice Cake ... along with a few other ideas for butternut puree - at the bottom after the recipe. <em>4</em> <BR> <BR> <link><BR>butternut-spice-cake/ </link> Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:02:40 EST The Top 25 Paleo Bloggers according to PaleoHacks.... and in no particular order. <BR> <BR> <link><BR>ggers/ </link> <BR> <BR> Enjoy!! Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:39:01 EST meal suggestions My husband and I are going away for a few days and the place were staying has a refrigerator & microwave. I Dont really want to eat every meal out especially since fast food is my only option. Any suggestions? Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:45:33 EST ~ PB 21 Day Challenge: Sept. 16 - Oct. 6 ~ The Primal Blueprint "fall" challenge is here! <BR> <BR> Starting Monday, September 16th we will start a 21 day challenge. Please use this thread to update daily, weekly or whenever you get a chance... <BR> <BR> Good luck!... <em>381</em> <BR> <BR> Sun, 15 Sep 2013 03:18:11 EST ~ The 10 Primal Blueprint laws ~ The 10 Primal Blueprint laws are: <BR> ************************************ <BR> 1. Eat Lots of Plants and Animals (Focus on quality sources of protein (all forms of meat, fowl, fish), lots of colorful vegetables, some select fruits (mostly berries), and healthy fats (nuts, avocados, olive oil). <em>53</em> <em>496</em> <em>45</em> <BR> <BR> 2.) Move Frequently at a Slow Pace (2- 5 hours a week: walking, hiking, easy bike riding, swimming, aerobic dance, etc., as long as it is low... Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:37:56 EST ~ New Team Leader ~ Hi ALL.... <BR> <BR> Please <em>235</em> our new Team Leader CHERYL to the team. She has already contributed so much and helped me keep the team going when I am not able to post as much as I would like. <BR> <BR> <em>304</em> CHERYL for agreeing to help me with the team! <em>220</em> <BR> <BR> ~ Dee <em>334</em> Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:32:59 EST Night Shade Vegetables? <BR> I was on a paleo website the other day looking for new recipes and I came across one that mentioned it used a lot of night shade vegetables and that some people tend to stay away from them and I was wondering why? Are they higher in carbs or is there some other reason people eating paleo prefer not eat them? Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:13:31 EST Daily Thread Since there seems to be an interest how about we start a daily thread to post in so we have one spot to post daily and can create new topics as needed? <BR> <BR> I'll be Primal 4 weeks tomorrow. <BR> I'm reading PB, and have been surfing around Paleo sites reading about this lifestyle. I've been no grain, no added sugar-free and really love it. Its the best thing I've ever tried and the LAST thing I ever thought I could do, give up bread and pizza?? But its what my body likes. I've lost 8... Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:05:56 EST Chat? Does anyone here chat with each other? Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:22:42 EST Fats and protein logging for SP I'm not anal about this, but I would like to set my SP nutition so it stops telling me I'm over my daily nutrition! <BR> <BR> Is there any general settings for primal? Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:43:06 EST Coconut Aminos??? I was planning to make stir fry from a recipe I found on a paleo website and it called for coconut aminos. What is this and where can I find it? I looked at whole foods and I couldn't find it and I'm going to try a local health food store to see if maybe they carry it. I also wonder what it tastes like. Anyone? Sat, 3 Aug 2013 20:59:02 EST ~ Carb Cycling the primal/paleo way ~ Q&A: How do you “carb cycle” on a Paleo(Primal) Diet? <BR> <BR> Question: I’m Paleo and have been reading a lot about the effectiveness of carb cycling. How would I carb cycle on a Paleo diet being that Paleo is low carb naturally? <BR> <BR> SUPER question!!!! But keep in mind that Paleo isn’t LOW carb it’s MODERATE carb- you’re simply pulling your carbs from fruits and veggies as opposed to grains and legumes. It’s a shame that mainstream school of thought has widely accepted that in... Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:22:05 EST ~ What workout did you do today???? ~ EXERCISE: <BR> <em>311</em> AM Walk: 63 mins / 408 cal <BR> <em>311</em> PM walk: 42 mins / 221 cal <BR> <em>216</em> PM Cardio: Susan Chungs Rapid Fire 3 premix: 23 mins / 123 cal <BR> Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:37:22 EST ~ PB 30 Day Challenge: May 2 - May 31 ~ Today: didn't do well at all. <em>24</em> Will do better tomorrow! Fri, 3 May 2013 01:36:28 EST dabbling in does it work with spark? I have been with spark people for 6 yrs now, since i had to find nutritional facts for a recipe for my kid with T1 diabetes. I then used it for my own meal tracking when i needed to loose weight. I try to stay in their recommended guidelines for protein, calories and fat. I do loose weight, that is up until last yr when dx'd with celiac. I was pretty sick, now I am feeling better, but have 20 lbs I NEED to loose, 10 more than that would be bonus. <BR> Anyway I wondered how if your not ... Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:45:47 EST ~ PB 29 Day Challenge: March 3 - 31 ~ Cheat day for me! <em>213</em> Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:48:25 EST Marching on with Paleo! Hi, I left Spark for awhile but I am back! <BR> <BR> I love Paleo/Primal and although I don't follow it 100%, I follow it a good 80% and have amazing results. <BR> <BR> I was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure in October of last year. When I had my cath done, they found text book clear arteries, perfect cholesterol and my thyroid within range. A virus had attacked my was NOT my diet! <BR> <BR> I rejoined Spark (I used to be grokgranny) under a new name. I am setting new goa... Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:46:51 EST Three New Podcasts From Perfect Health Diet: <BR> "Several podcast interviews have come out this week: <BR> <BR> Stefani Ruper of Paleo for Women interviewed me on the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show about what’s novel in our new book. <BR> <BR> Ben Greenfield of Ben Greenfield Fitness discussed PHD with me and calls our book a “must-read” for athletes. He thinks the best diet for athletes is basically PHD with some intermittency worked in – I agree. (Update: The podcast can be found here, released on Feb 13, 20... Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:05:12 EST Newbie here! Hello! I'm Joanne, and I'm just learning about paleo. <BR> <BR> I'd heard great things from friends before, but never really gave it much thought until I began have severe stomach problems a few months ago. So far the doctors haven't found anything; but the more research I do, I am convinced that paleo eating will change that. <BR> <BR> I've read Everyday Paleo by Sarah Fragoso, and am currently reading The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. I also have The Paleo Answer by Loren Cordain. <BR> <B... Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:07:12 EST ~ PB 21 Day Challenge: Feb. 3 - Feb. 23 ~ Day 1: <BR> <BR> AM workout / Boxing/jump rope <BR> Lunch: Jerk Chicken/Veggies <BR> <BR> PM: workout scheduled: Pump strength training <BR> <BR> I will post later... Good luck guys! <em>381</em> <BR> <BR> <BR> Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:35:49 EST ~ Challenges ????? ~ Hi all, I would like to start a 21 day challenge following Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint principles on eating and exercise; and wanted to know who might be interested in participating one, starting maybe Sunday, February 3rd. <BR> <BR> If there is enough interest in having a challenge I will create a daily thread that we can post in. <BR> <BR> Thanks, ~ Dee <em>220</em> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:29:19 EST Tips for a newbie: Sweet cravings? I'm really blown away by this - I was fairly sugar-free when I started Paleo - I don't drink sodas, rarely have desserts, rarely partake in sweet snacks, etc. <BR> <BR> I started eating Paleo on January 1, and I have had THE WORST sugar cravings since then. Like "Oh, I'm hungry, and it's about lunchtime. I should go to the grocery store and get a bag of Valentine's candy!" Wait, what? No, cravings, go away. <BR> <BR> Any ideas for a) what could be causing this and b) any "replacement snack"... Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:53:34 EST How important is organic? I'm really spend a lot on grocery's every week, more than I can afford really and I'm wondering how important eating organic foods and grass fed meat really is? <BR> <BR> I understand that its better for me but I really need to start getting serious about budgeting and I see potential for saving a lot of money here. <BR> <BR> Also any snack suggestions? I have been eating nuts but those are very expensive and I have trouble with controlling myself when I eat them. Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:26:22 EST Juicer Do you think using a juicer would be beneficial to a paleo diet? <BR> <BR> It seems like a good way to get a lot of vegetables easily worked into your day. Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:28:38 EST hello :) I just wanted to say hi. I have not gone paleo yet, but plan to this weekend. I have several books on it. I wanted to be prepared before I started. Also wanted to wait until payday so I can do my grocery shopping :) My family already eat pretty healthy and low carb, but I need to step it up a notch. There is no bread, crackers, cookies or sweets in my house. There is still oatmeal,pasta, and rice. Used in moderaion but I have noticed a difference when i go a while with out them. My big issue... Tue, 8 Jan 2013 22:02:29 EST Veggie girl goes primal! Hello new teammates :) <BR> <BR> I have been happy doing a variety of diet lifestyles, and have actually been vegetarian for almost 2 years. Oh how things will change... <BR> <BR> My husband has NEVER followed any healthy eating plan, and pretty much was living on sugared coffee and pastries, despite my attempts to encourage him to do differently. But!! For the new year, he finally admitted he was feeling lousy and wanted a change! <BR> <BR> He felt the Paleo diet was something he'd be ... Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:14:57 EST DAILY CHIT-CHAT ROOM HAPPY SUNDAY! <BR> Hope you're all having a great weekend. This year is almost gone and we have a brand new year to reach our healthy weight loss goals. What will you be doing to reach yours? <BR> For me, I'll be doing low carb, and I'm cutting out all artificial sweetners. Bob and I have also joined a fitness center and will be going there 3 times a week. It's only a 5 minute drive from the house so no excuses not to go. I don't know how much of the 65 lbs I'll be able to lose in 2013 but I'... Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:58:26 EST IPhone/Android Tracking Apps Hi all, <BR> <BR> We are needing to find a good food tracking app in order to keep up with daily intake of carbs and all. Hopefully one where all you do is enter the food and the info auto calculates carbs/protein/fats. <BR> <BR> Thanks! Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:13:25 EST So new to paleo Hello everyone! My name is Khara, but most of my friends call me Malyss. I play roller derby and am very much into becoming a better athlete and best me possible. I have been struggling for the last year losing weight. Last year at this time, I was 5 lbs away from my goal weight of 135. I vowed to do what I could to lose the last 5 pounds, but no matter how hard I worked or how well I ate, I gained back 15 pounds this year. So I am back to being 20 pounds away from my goal. I was doing... Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:41:41 EST Modern Paleo Principals: Essential vs. Optional I came across an amazing resource, and thought I'd share! Happy reading... and I'd be really interested to know other's thoughts about what is essential vs. optional, and why! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Essential Versus Optional in Paleo by Diana Hsieh <BR> <BR> When I developed my list of Modern Paleo Principles in early 2010, I'd hoped to be able to sort out the essential principles from the optional tweaks. So forgoing grains would be essential to eating paleo whereas intermittent fasting wou... Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:49:42 EST Hello Just would like to say Hello as well as I want so much learn all I can about this diet. I am jumping with with all sincerity, desire and commitment to make this diet a way of life for me. Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:14:30 EST ~ 17 Reasons You’re Not Losing Weight ~ Effective, healthy weight loss isn’t only due to the simplistic calories in, calories out paradigm. Nor is it solely reliant on diet and exercise. It’s everything – it’s all the various signals our body receives from the environment that affect how our genes express themselves and thrive. How we approach the subject matters, too. Our mood, our methods, our temperament. Our conscious decisions and our willpower. It’s setting good habits and expunging bad ones. Most of all, it comes down to kee... Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:18:25 EST ~ Free ebooks from the Primal Blueprint updated ~ Hi guys, <BR> <BR> ...for all the newcomers and folks on the team who may not be aware, I wanted to let you know of the free e-books you can get just by signing up for Mark Sisson's Daily Apple Weekly Newsletter. <BR> <BR> When you sign up you get access to the following ebooks: <BR> <BR> 1. 7-Day Course on the Fundamentals for Lifelong Health <BR> <BR> 2. Primal Blueprint Fitness eBook <BR> <BR> 3. Two Reader-Created Cookbooks <BR> <BR> 4. Introduction to The Primal Blueprint <BR> <BR... Mon, 5 Nov 2012 02:19:22 EST Primal Movement Weight Loss Circuit for Beginners <em>227</em> Please Read <em>227</em> <BR> <BR> With any and all workouts please follow these rules: <BR> <BR> 1.) If you feel pain, discontinue the movement. If pain persist see your physician <BR> 2.) Stay hydrated before, during and after the workout(s) <BR> 3.) Modify any move that causes pain or is just too uncomfortable to do. <BR> <BR> Last but not least remember: "Quality over Quantity"... it's better to do fewer reps or a shorter workout with perfect form. This will pr... Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:55:29 EST ~ Exercising the primal way... Mark Sisson's pyramid of primal exercising: <BR> <BR> SPRINT: :"all out efforts" every 7 - 10 days...15–25 min <BR> <BR> LIFT HEAVY THINGS: Brief intense sessions of "full-body functional" movements... 1 - 3 times per week 10–45 min. <BR> <BR> MOVE FREQUENTLY AT A SLOW PACE: Walking, hiking, cycling, easy cardio at 55 - 75% max rate for 2 - 5 hours per week. <BR> <BR> Exercising according to the three Primal Blueprint laws will optimize gene expression and promote Primal Fitness. <BR... Sun, 21 Oct 2012 03:24:56 EST Sweet potato chip how-to? Does anyone have any suggestions/how-to's on how to make sweet potato chips? I tried last night and it was an utter failure. Sliced them thin and sprinkled with cinnamon. Most of them burned (oven was 400°) even though I was watching. (Ok, maybe not watching well enough. I was grilling chicken as well.) The ones that didn't weren't chip-like and more dry on the outside and gooey on the inside. <BR> <BR> Thanks everyone! Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:00:15 EST ~ Low Carb Flu : Mark's Daily Apple ~ <em>38</em> QUESTION <em>38</em> : <BR> <BR> Dear Mark, <BR> <BR> I just want to know if anyone who has been Primal for some time had any trouble with cognition in the first few weeks. I can hardly think straight, especially after eating, and I am also low on energy. Will this pass??? Besides that, my body feels great!” <BR> _________________________________ <BR> First off, I should mention that some folks experience the low carb flu, and others don’t. Overall, those who have been lowe... Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:22:06 EST Fatigued during exercise... I have just started eating primal about a week and a half ago and I noticed I'm really dragging during my workouts. It doesn't seem to matter if I workout in the morning or after work I barely make it a half hour on the elliptical. <BR> <BR> Everything else has been great, I feel great I'm sleeping like a log & I've lost 10 pounds so far. <BR> <BR> Is this normal? Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:44:22 EST The Primal Leap 30-Day Guidebook Table of Contents The Primal Leap 30-Day Guidebook Table of Contents <BR> <BR> The Primal Leap Guidebook is organized into four one-week blocks with action items each week in three areas: Diet, Exercise and Lifestyle. <BR> Introduction <BR> <BR> Overview of the program, including statement of the three main objectives (reprogram your genes to burn fat, overhaul your exercise program to pursue the functional, balanced reframe your philosophy to become process-oriented and have fun with lifestyle transfor... Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:16:00 EST *waves* Hi all, I'm Wendy. I started living Primal/Paleo in October 2011 and have lost 50 pounds in that time. Have about another hundred to go, I think. <BR> <BR> My reason for going Paleo was all about weight loss, because (very fortunately) I don't have any of the other complications of obesity and/or the SAD - no diabetes, cholesterol issues, arthritis or joint pain, autoimmune diseases, etc. You name it, I've eluded it by some means (probably genetic - thanks, Dad!). <BR> <BR> I'm so glad to... Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:32:06 EST Bacon fat question... OK, I can totally get my husband on board with cooking with bacon grease (He thought he died and went to heaven) but he dosent think it needs to be refrigerated. <BR> <BR> Is it safe to leave it on the counter? <BR> <BR> Oh yeah and did you hear the price of bacon is supposed to double!!! <BR> <BR> <em>40</em> Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:47:37 EST A new day a new way.... Aloha - I should first tell you all that my profile is not me or my husband....I belong to a large challenge group on spark called BLC and we all have hunky "bartenders" on the "island" of Azure Destinations my team! <BR> <BR> My name is Kal. Today is Day 19 doing Whole30 which you may or may not know about. In a nutshell - a very strict version of Paleo with no grains, sugar artificial or natural, dairy, alcohol for 30 days. I had never "done" Paleo prior to starting Whole30. <BR> <BR> La... Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:15:08 EST Genetics, who are you? And 2 questions. I have trouble losing weight on any form of eating, for me it does come down to calories in and calories out. But health is my key, making sure I get everything my body needs and as close to what my ancestors ate. I do believe it was not always plentiful and there were seasons for foods and as well; all meat days and also all veggie days. I also look at who I am and what my relatives ate. Where they lived, where they came from before the industrial revolution. I believe being a "short stack" ... Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:20:34 EST Hello I am getting familiar with Primal. I subscribe to Mark's Daily Apple. I've been taking the process slow. Today is my 9th day of no grains and I'm doing quite well. I look forward to getting to know everyone and hopefully sharing some recipes. Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:53:51 EST Meat & Potatoes: Back on the Menu From Robb Wolf's website: <BR> <em>367</em> Meat & Potatoes: Back on the Menu <em>367</em> <BR> Thursday, November 3rd, 2011 <BR> <BR> Just in case you haven’t been paying attention lately, meat and potatoes are okay to eat again. <BR> <BR> It’s a pretty comical situation, really. Meat and potatoes used to be the basic chow of every American – at a time when Americans were the healthiest and tallest people in the world. <BR> <BR> I was a youngster in the 70&#8242;s and 80’s, and I c... Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:52:30 EST In Defense of Paleo: No WORDs Needed! Problem... <BR> Cause... <BR> Effect... <BR> Solution... <BR> <BR> <link><BR>nse-of-paleo-no-words-needed/ </link> <BR> <BR> I LOVED this.. especially noting as as fat consumption has dropped and carb consumption has risen, health has NOT improved and has, in fact, deteriorated!!! <BR> <BR> Oh how I wish I could get the people in my corner of the world to listen! Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:29:15 EST ~ Primal/Paleo products: suggesti ns/links ~ <em>53</em> Hi Guys... I thought we could post links and suggestions of Primal/Paleo products that we have tried, want to try or want more information on a particular product. <em>267</em> <BR> <BR> Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:26:45 EST Looking for this recipe, maybe you have one... I hope no one minds, but I thought I would add a spot for any of us looking for a recipe that, someone may have, that they have tried and liked. <BR> <BR> I am currently looking for pumpkin recipes. I know some Paleo people do not agree that pumpkin is paleo. I think some varieties are to wonderful to pass up. <BR> I ran across a wonderful pumpkin place yesterday and they had a huge variety of pumpkins I never knew existed. I bought some called pattypan and long pinks. Both sound amazing as... Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:33:47 EST ~ All about cooking: questions, techniques, etc. ~ <em>373</em> <em>45</em> <em>267</em> <em>277</em> <em>284</em> <em>370</em> <em>373</em> <em>45</em> <BR> We will use this thread for - questions about recipes, cooking techniques, links, etc. <BR> <em>267</em> <em>277</em> <em>284</em> <em>370</em> <em>267</em> <em>45</em> <em>373</em> <em>284</em> Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:02:17 EST Diagrams: How to Succeed on the Primal Blueprint <link><BR>ed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz25oA<BR>7g8EU </link> Fri, 7 Sep 2012 14:01:02 EST ~ Recipes Index ~ <em>258</em> •.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*• •.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*• <em>267</em> <BR> <BR> *************** <BR> - SALADS - <BR> *************** <BR> <BR> Primal Spicy Roasted Potato Salad: <link><BR>l.asp?recipe=1308740 </link> <BR> <BR> <em>497</em> •.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*• •.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*•.•*´¨´*• <em>190</em> <BR> <BR> ******************* <BR> - MAIN MEALS - <BR> ******************* <BR> <BR> Mona's Primal Turkey Muffins: <link>recipe... Fri, 7 Sep 2012 13:44:36 EST Hello, folks! I'd done a good job losing some extra poundage basically following a Primal/Weston Price/South Beach/Whole foods thing. But eventually I hit a plateau. Possibly I wasn't paying as much attention, but at least I wasn't gaining stuff back. <BR> <BR> I went away on holiday last Thursday, came home, woke up Wednesday with a six pound increase in mass, and am here to get back on track on what needs to be a lifestyle commitment, not a mere "diet". (It probably didn't help being stuck in the air... Fri, 7 Sep 2012 06:57:49 EST ~ Primal/Paleo Fitness ~ <em>227</em> PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD <em>227</em> <BR> <BR> Well, what would a nutritional program be without a fitness component to it. Both Primal and Paleo offer guidelines which are similar... I follow a combination of the 2 and adapt it to fit my fitness needs/schedule and limitations... here is an out line of both of them. <BR> <BR> ____________ <BR> Primal Fitness: <BR> ____________ <BR> <BR> The Modern Primal Blueprint® – The Rules of Living Today: <BR> 1. Eat lots ... Fri, 7 Sep 2012 01:07:34 EST ~ Primal Blueprint 101 & Paleo Quick Start ~ <em>227</em> PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD <em>227</em> <BR> <BR> Most of us on the team follow the Primal/Paleo diet to some extent. For those who are not familiar for general reference please refer to the following links and information explaining what these nutritional/lifestyle programs are about. <BR> <BR> PRIMAL 101: <BR> <BR> <link><BR>rint-101/#axzz25XZeEuuZ </link> <BR> <BR> Advice for Newbies: <BR> <BR> <link>www.marksdailyap... Fri, 7 Sep 2012 01:03:31 EST ~ September & beyond: 30 day Primal Challenges ~ HI Team, <BR> <BR> I thought that maybe we could start doing 30 day primal challenges. I think challenges are a great way to stay motivated and in a group setting also support and motivate each other. <BR> <BR> I have already started my own challenge on September 1st. If others would like to join me that would be great. If not this month, maybe others would like to join in a challenge for October. <BR> <BR> I like 30 day increments because it's not a big chunk of time, but enough ti... Sun, 2 Sep 2012 20:05:09 EST Paleo/Primal Presence Needed Hi, everybody! I don't usually do this... I really would like a paleo voice represented in my blog comments on this one. Check it out if you have the time: <BR> <BR> <link><BR>urnal_individual.asp?blog_id=4995707 </link> <BR> <BR> I would really like some of my regular readers to realize this is the answer so many of them are looking for. Thanks in advance for your support! <BR> <BR> Ramona Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:21:27 EST Maintaining on low-carb/p leo/primal etc.? I started a topic about this in the low-carb group here and was hoping to create a place where those of us who are in maintenance or close can talk. The thread is here: <BR> <link><BR>sageboard_thread.asp?board=0x482x49225<BR>341&src=email </link> <BR> Please feel free to join in. <em>30</em> <BR> Birgit Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:30:48 EST Returning to Spark People with a new outlook! Oh how I could go into such a long winded story about all my escapades in dieting and how all these crazy ideas have become so interconnected... but, alas, I fear no one will want to read all that in a simple introductory post! <BR> <BR> I'm a year-out college grad, *STILL* looking for work! (insert eye roll here) I'm a musician and I play in a rock band (The Pete Herger Band, if anyone wants to know ...yes we're on iTunes!). I'm also a substitute teacher and will applying to grad school for... Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:50:32 EST Hi! I'm new here. I am a middle aged divorced father who is morbidly obese and a food addict. But, I am changing my life and taking charge of my health. Not tomorrow, not next month or next week or next year - TODAY. And I have made the commitment to follow a Paleo/Primal approach to nutrition. <BR> <BR> If you want to know more about me, check out my blog - I laid it all out there. <BR> <BR> I wish you all every success in your goals. Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:12:22 EST Hello, I'm new here. Hi there, <BR> <BR> I'm a new member, both to SP and to your team. I have my unabridged story on my page, but the short of it is that I've recently discovered that the way I was losing weight before actually has a name and there is all sorts of info out there. This is very exciting, as I thought there was something seriously strange and wrong with me when I didn't feel well after eating starchy carbs, wheat, legumes, etc. I knew I was lactose intolerant, but couldn't really figure out th... Sun, 8 Jul 2012 13:03:34 EST Hi From Florida <em>213</em> Thought I'd better introduce myself, for those that don't know me. <BR> I'm Vicki and I live in Florida. <BR> I'm working towards making the healthiest choices I can when it comes to taking care of myself. <BR> I want to make exercise a top priority as I have a couple of health issues that exercise would improve. Also it would definately give me more energy. <BR> I am basically trying to keep all my nutritional numbers within a set goal I think will work for me. It's not stric... Fri, 25 May 2012 12:20:23 EST Online support elsewhere I have been enjoying the blogosphere and FaceBook groups all over the ethernet and thought it might be a good idea to share here sites that support the Primal, Traditional, Ancestral, and Low Carb, High fat lifestyle. I will start the list with a few of my favorites, and you all can reply with your favorites. Sparkpeople's official dogma is NOT included, of course, but we do have several teams on here, easy to find. Let's go off Sparkpeople and add what you have found supportive to this food ... Tue, 1 May 2012 08:37:43 EST Carmelized (French) Onion Dip 1 very large onion (1 1/2 cups, chopped fine and sauteed in butter and oil for 30 minutes or until medium brown and soft) <BR> 1/2 tsp ceyenne pepper (or to taste), added to onions at beginning of cooking <BR> 1 small clove garlic, minced fine and added to onions for the last 10 minutes of cooking <BR> 2 tsp fermented soy sauce (Worcestershire can be used instead) <BR> 1/2 cup strong beef broth <BR> 2/3 cup homemade mayonnaise <BR> 2/3 cup sour cream <BR> 6 oz softened cream cheese <BR> 1 tsp... Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:58:17 EST hello My name is cheryl, I'm a true believer in lower carb lifestyles but have just started hearing about the paleo so I joined that group then found this one. I'm real new to the details of this and will need to do some reading but I'm glad to be here Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:38:35 EST Whole9 workshop! It was so great! Very inspiring, funny and informative - I would definitely recommend it to anyone lucky enough to be near a future workshop.....ours (in ATL) was a really big crowd and had folks all the way from Tennessee! I have to say, Melissa and Dallas are the most beautiful people I have ever seen! It was almost distracting how seriously pretty they both are, but they're so darn smart that you can't help but listen! <BR> <BR> The first half of the day we talked about how to decide... Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:51:25 EST paleo summit a free online event you can check out here: <BR> <BR> <link> </link> <BR> <BR> Our fave, Nora G, is on Day 4! Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:30:54 EST Hello All my New Friends! It's PRIMAL, Baby! Hi, my name is Paula and I am coming over from a small private team where several of us ( Hi Angela and Marg)have just found the Primal Lifestyle and are loving it but need more guidance in everything Primal. I have lost a total of 6 lbs since going primal but have lost a total of about 71 lbs in the last 11/2 years since getting my lapband. <BR> <BR> I was never over 130-140 lbs my whole life until I bought into the message/advertisement in the 1980's that "eating fat made you fat." Wha... Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:38:47 EST Where did FairyPrincess21 go? I had a notification that FairyPrincess21 joined out team, but have not seen her pop up here on the list of members. I have tried to go to her page, but received an error message instead. If anyone knows her, please tell her we are looking for her. Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:45:00 EST Finding Your Ideal Level of Protein Intake If your weight loss slows down to under two pounds/week, then you might want to give consideration to something I have observed about women on low carb diets. We tend to think that we should go on the same kind of low carb regimen that works so well for our men. And that does work for many women! But so many of us have cut the carbs down to the bone and still stall. <BR> <BR> I finally did enough reading and experimentation on my own metabolism and found an answer that helped me break my pl... Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:23:24 EST Hello out there! My name is Margaret and I was on one of the other Primal teams but didn't see much activity. At Moonchild's suggestion, I checked you out and am impressed with the knowledge and enthusiasm on this Team! I and some other ladies on Spark have been doing Primal based on Mark Sisson's book and website. I gained 2lbs the first week, decided I better start tracking and gained another pound the 2nd week! YIKES! So I am starting to figure out that in eating the fat AND the meat, I am getting to... Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:54:55 EST Affordability and Primal Eating Tips for making high living affordable: <BR> Shop road side vegetable stands or local farmers' markets for produce. <BR> Cheap forms of proteins that are wild caught are sardines and canned wild-caught sockeye salmon. If you cannot afford organic, grassfed meat, then eat conventional, but get the leanest possible. <BR> Even expensive eggs are a cheaper source of protein. Don't get penny wise and pound foolish. Spluge on truely free-range eggs (if they are on a 100% vegetarian diet, they are... Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:22:38 EST Blood Sugar 101 by Jenny Ruhl Blood Sugar 101 is another really good book, but I am only 26% of the way through it at this point. So far, this is fully supporting the Primal Body, Primal Mind principles. I will keep you posted. <BR> <BR> Addendum: I am now 100% through the book and I continued to like it a lot all the way through. She, though, like Dr. Bernstein, is a little lax or not up to snuff on the possible dangers of using Splenda and the Splenda-filled DaVinci Sugar-Free Syrups. I don't want to end up in ten year... Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:53:09 EST Low Carb, high fat, moderate protein "crisps" This can substitute for crackers when you would like to enjoy some of your homemade avocado (or other) dip. I bought some at a Fresh Market in Roanoke while visiting my sister and they were GOOD. However, they were made from Parmesan and I am thinking cheddar would be so much better! <BR> Making them consists only of plopping down a large pinch of shredded cheese onto a hot griddle, letting it crisp on one side, then flipping it and letting the other side brown a tad. <BR> Cool them and yo... Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:12:54 EST What is the purpose of this group? I think that you probably would like to know what, if any, purpose there is in belonging to this group. After all, there are many great and wonderful groups on SparkPeople and many of them are also in line with the principles of Nora Gedgaurdas's book Primal Body, Primal Mind. So why join this one? <BR> <BR> Well, fortunately, we don't have to choose among all these wonderful groups. I belong to quite a few myself. Some I subscribe to and follow their goals, some I just join because I like ... Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:51:57 EST Another great site for Primal/Paleo recipes The Civilized Caveman <BR> <link> </link> <BR> <em>4</em> Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:50:06 EST To Whey or Not to Whey Some of you have read my blog on my SparkPage (link added below) entitled Whey or Not to Whey and others of you have seen my recipe where I have recommended Warrior Whey. ALERT: I just learned that there are two different entities out there with the label Warrior Whey. The one sold by VitaCost is NOT the Warrior Whey I am recommending on here. The one I recommend (only for those who can or wish to eat/drink dairy) is from Defense Nutrition and is also carried by Dr. Mercola under his own labe... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:45 EST Education and Motivation I find that constant reading of materials on nutrition, food, and weight loss not only educate me so that my choices are clearer, but are quite motivating as well. Reading how the cells respire and how metabolism works gives me fresh oomph for desiring the nutritious and health building choices. From desire and clear choice is built all the motivation I usually need. When I am between books, my attention, and thus my motivation and strength, wane. Here's to strong motivation and clearer choic... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:44:38 EST Education Topic Moved to General Discussion Forum <em>227</em> <BR> Please go to the General Discussion Forum. I unmindfully placed this topic where only introductions should have gone. Sorry. <BR> <em>227</em> Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:43:44 EST Restrict Proteins Moved to General Discussions <em>227</em> <BR> Any replies should be added to this topic in the general discussion forum. I had improperly placed it here in the introductions. Sorry. I just wasn't being mindful. <BR> <em>227</em> Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:40:32 EST Why Restrict Proteins? Since we believe glycation to be the problem with so much that ails us, and glycation is the effect that occurs when an excess of sugar is ingested, then why, you ask, is protein also restricted? <BR> <BR> You hardly ever hear about what happens when you have an excess of protein, do you? <BR> <BR> Except of course, about kidney damage for way too much. However, ANY excess protein is converted to SUGAR. <BR> <BR> Here we are, going along on our high protein diet, trying to get rid of tho... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:36:42 EST Primal Mayo You will need a stick blender to make this in a jiffy. Stack these ingredients in a wide mouth pint jar in the order given: <BR> <BR> 1 room temperature whole egg (organic or free roaming yard chicken egg) <BR> 1 T fresh squeezed lemon juice (or apple cider vinegar with the mother) <BR> 1 T Dijon mustard <BR> 1 cup avocado oil <BR> 1/4 tsp sea salt <BR> 1/4 tsp ground white pepper or paprika <BR> <BR> Insert the stick blender to the bottom of the jar and begin blending. Blend for just a few... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:21:23 EST G-Mom's Favorite Vinaigrette <link><BR>l.asp?recipe=1844875 </link> <BR> This forms the base of my Creamy Vinaigrette, and is a great sweet/sour dressing on its own. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:11:42 EST G-Mom's Creamy Vinaigrette <link><BR>l.asp?recipe=1923153 </link> <BR> This recipe starts with G-Mom's Favorite Vinaigrette and just adds homemade mayo to it. My kids love it! Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:08:27 EST OMGoodness Soup 6 sliced small breakfast sausage links <BR> 2 lbs grassfed ground beef, browned <BR> 1 onion, chopped and sauteed <BR> 3 stalks celery with tops, chopped or thinly sliced <BR> 3 cloves of garlic, minced <BR> 1 small head cabbage, chopped <BR> 1 small can organic diced tomatoes <BR> 1 quart (or more, for a thinner consistency) chicken bone broth <BR> 1 tsp (or more, to taste) Cumin <BR> Sea salt and ground black pepper to taste <BR> 2 cups or so of any mixed low-starch veggies you have left ov... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:03:48 EST Low Carb/High Fat Smoothie (Contains dairy) 1/2 c heavy raw cream <BR> 1/2 c filtered water <BR> 2 T gently melted unrefined, organic coconut oil <BR> 2 scoops Warrior Whey or 2 T Great Lakes Gelatin (green label) or two raw free range yard eggs <BR> 1 heaping T extra dark unsweetened cocoa powder <BR> 2 scoops KAL brand stevia extract or 2 packets Sweet Leaf <BR> 1/2 cup ice <BR> Place all ingredients in a blender and blend until well mixed and thick. Add ice and pulse until ice is completely crushed. <BR> This tastes decadently evil,... Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:51:13 EST How to post your recipes To post a recipe, in order to make it easier to find, start a new thread ("Create a New Topic") within this forum for every new recipe, giving it a unique name. <BR> You can also just post a link to one of your recipes in your SparkPeople cookbook per post here. <BR> Thanks for making it easier to find your recipes. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:42:01 EST Caution on Warrior Whey First of all, if you can tolerate it, it is 33% off through Vitacost. <BR> <BR> But, I was disappointed to learn that it contains casein (a protein in dairy that I am severely allergic to.) <BR> <BR> ALWAYS read your labels, especially if you have a food allergy. <BR> <BR> I picked up a chocolate egg white protein packet to try (from Whole Foods). Hoping this might be a fit. Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:11:52 EST HI all and questions HI, I am relaatively new to this team. Last summer I did the antiinflammatory paleo diet, for 3 wks in which i was very ill, could have been die off etc. but the spasms and charlie horses were terrible. I tried more potassium,more mag. and didn't help. I am reading gary taubes why we get fat and he says make sure to have salt. So this time will do that. <BR> I also started doing one green smoothie with one fruit ( either banana or berries) a day. So for the past 3 days I have done well, very ... Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:46:17 EST Inner Eco Coconut Water Kefir wondering if anyone has tried this paleo product?? I know I need a good probiotic and I like that this one is dairy free! <BR> <BR> <link> </link> Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:25:26 EST Hi Old and New Friends! I'm Linda and I'm trying hard to be able to stick to this Paleo/Primal stuff. Belonging to an ethnic food Meetup group makes it very hard! All that rice and noodle stuff! I skimmed through some posts and think I can learn a lot here. I am skeptical about the protein thing and have never personally lost any weight with coconut oil, but maybe some adjustments are needed. Maybe more fat will mean I need a little less protein. I will follow everyone's progress and see how I can apply the id... Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:43:13 EST Hello! I have not read much of the book yet, but was intrigued by the different spin I can see this has to other plans. I was invited here by GROKGRANNY or would not probably have seen the team. I am very open to learning about different things and trying them. Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:31:44 EST Paleo Recipe Website check out this website, if you haven't already: <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Then read my blog for 1/8/12! I included pictures. Wow...was it ever YUMMY! Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:17:39 EST THRILLED to have found you!! I typed in "Primal Body/Primal Mind" and couldn't find anybody. It's because of the "/" instead of a comma (duh!) <BR> <BR> On Spark, I go by the name "Grok Granny" (silly, I know, but I have 2 wonderful grandchildren. <BR> <BR> I have been devouring Nora's book. Straight Paleo/Primal and especially Dr. Jack Kruse and his Leptin Re-Set provided way more protein than what I can digest. I no longer have my gallbladder, and for "me" (we are all different), it's just too much. I felt ill af... Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:38:51 EST Rant on High Carb Snobbery The other day I received an e-mail from SparkPeople on the Ten Worst Fast Foods (or something to that effect). It immediately became apparent that they were judging mostly by total calorie count. That didn't bother me: everyone to his/her own preferences, I say. What really bothered me, though, was a single statement that said so much more to me than maybe it was designed to say. <BR> <BR> The sentence I am ranting about stated "Low carb is passe" (outmoded). Now, first of all, that is untr... Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:57:14 EST Education and Motivation I find that constant reading of materials on nutrition, food, and weight loss not only educate me so that my choices are clearer, but are quite motivating as well. Reading how the cells respire and how metabolism works gives me fresh oomph for desiring the nutritious and health building choices. From desire and clear choice is built all the motivation I usually need. When I am between books, my attention, and thus my motivation and strength, wane. Here's to strong motivation and clearer choic... Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:18:36 EST Holidays: Self Mastery or Dodge the Stress? It would be so much better of me if I would just take advantage of the fact that I am not craving and not hungry while on this high fat, low carb, restricted protein program, to just not eat the "treats" that are placed so invitingly in front of me, but I have decided not to stress myself by requiring such high levels of self discipline. Stress has been a major factor in my life, with perfectionism a complicating aspect and with adrenal fatigue as my result. So I am being easy on myself, let... Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:35:40 EST Why restrict proteins? Since we believe glycation to the the problem with so much that ails us, and glycation is the effect that occurs when an excess of sugar is ingested, then why, you ask, is protein also restricted? <BR> <BR> You hardly ever hear about what happens when you have an excess of protein, do you? <BR> <BR> Except of course, about kidney damage for way too much. However, ANY excess protein is converted to SUGAR. <BR> <BR> Here we are, going along on our high protein diet, trying to get rid of th... Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:38:29 EST Your moderator and team creator I have lost exactly 120 pounds four previous times in my life. I was a fat baby, but a very thin child and teen. I started gaining weight, as many women do, after babies were born. I had seven, but the weight started coming on in a huge way between baby number 2 and baby number 3 (there was a six year gap), after I had a severe flu-like illness that presented with a killer headache. I gained from a weight of 140 pounds up to 339 pounds. <BR> <BR> When I lost weight, I would lose down to 220... Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:18:06 EST