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LIVELYGIRL2 Posts: 4,184
9/17/17 9:55 P

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yep. one person insinuated I should dump him because of his food opinions. I'm not getting rid of him from that issue, but it has brought up conflict at times.

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So does my family. My daughter once made a comment she eats it at school. Because mom has this weird idea that the garden is better.

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oh yah, ny husband loves soda and chips also emoticon

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Food purchased at the store is not real food anymore. I try never to open a can or box for a meal. Only real meat, potatoes and veggies out of my garden, fruit that is actual fruit, hopefully straight from a local farmer. The main aisles I use are the fresh veggies and fruit, the dairy , and the pet food. If it wasn't that hubby was addicted to Frosted Flakes, Doritos, and Sandwich cookies, those aisles would never be gone down.

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I am going to watch the carbs.

I will keep a positive attitude.

I will learn the difference between an excuse and fact.


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9/11/17 2:03 A

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sounds balanced to me

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For the most part I keep my meals really basic. Meat or eggs + potato or sweet potato + 2-3 choices of raw or steamed non-starchy vegetables or a salad.



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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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I guess growing up with a depression era mother who cooked from scratch and never followed the latest fads, I forget that other folks might not know the basics. Here's my first suggestion. Go out to a used bookstore or thrift shop or ebay, and find a copy of Joy of Cooking - from the 30's or 40's. Or really any of the basic cookbooks from the pre-50's era. Betty Crocker, Fanny Farmer, Margaret Rudkin's Pepperidge Farm cookbook, Watkins, Rumfords. - any of those (to me, Joy of cooking is the most complete). These will all have recipes and methods for THE BASICS of cooking and baking. No-nonsense cooking. Sure, there will be a few fancy riffs included, but by and large, these will tell you everything you need to know to cook and bake with real food - because that's all they had back then! If you go back far enough, it will even be pre-oleo! These are my go-to sources for just about everything. Yes, I have scores of other cookbooks, but I rely on these the most.

Then, another good place to start - make a list of the dishes you already cook using basic foods and ingredients. Makes sections for Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, and snacks, and put down all the simple basic dishes. Before you know it, I bet you'll have a long list. Cooking doesn't mean coming up with a new gourmet dish every night, with budget busting exotic ingredients.I think if we simplify our menus, we will start to place less emphasis on eating, and more on other parts of our lives.

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well at least your very smart to know how to do that.

You could post a few tips to do this. I remember when I wen to college. My roommate and I attended a few classes at a local church. They were Seven Day Activists.

They had some recipes to make berry syrup, meat substitutes, whole grain dishes. They had one with real butter in which water was whipped. It was there opinion that margarine wasn't too good.This was before all the hundreds of brands.



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Yes, the recipe database has plenty of recipes using unacceptable ingredients. But thankfully, Spark gives us the tools and the liberties to create and adapt recipes to fit our individual needs. We don't have to follow a plan that doesn't suit us.

I waffle back and forth between wanting to convert the masses to eating a healthy, natural diet, and just feeling content that I'm doing what's best for me and to heck with everybody else.

C'est la vie!



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I hate to diss this wonderful free site that Spark is, and I love the recipe collection, but the recipes call for low fat cheeses, low fat mayonnaise, and other low fat, and fake sugar food items. Unfortunately almost everything that is low fat and fake sugar, and containing corn syrup is all overly processed food filled with chemicals and fillers. These are not good for you and with my IBS I can eat very little of these items. I plan to alter their recipes to use whole foods. I'll take a few lumps along the way because it will add 20-150 calories to the recipe but I'll just have to plan for that.



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9/7/17 1:31 P

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exactly. There are some whole wheat ones and a brand that starts with a" K " that isn't a natural foods brand, which are better. I happen to like waffles better.

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I bought just add water pancake mix for camping years ago. Not good and not a very filling/long lasting breakfast IMO.


As a baker the boxed mixes are something I've never understood. They are sold as a convenience so they cost more but essentially they are just flour, sugar and baking soda or baking powder and salt. Which are the cheapest baking ingredients and so easy to keep on hand (in the freezer if you don't bake often) and measure. You still have to buy, measure and add all the expensive ingredients (eggs, fats, milk, etc) to make it into something good.

Seems a waste of $ to me.

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I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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9/7/17 12:41 A

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btw- years ago, my husband purchased bisquick. It has about 2 1/2 cups of salt in one box. Gag me emoticon

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they do have some very good recipes too. Too bad for the tator tot one. I wonder if they put anything good with it, like vegetables, not canned vegetables and mushroom soup. I do once in awhile use cream of chicken or cream of mushroom. When I do, I add lots of mushroom or a small amount of milk.

I don't drink milk hardly ever. I do have greek yougurt ( fage) and limited cheese.

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9/6/17 10:20 P

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Regarding your point number 2 - and to summarize again from the book "Cheap" - the US has an abundance of cheap food available, mainly in the form of over processed, unhealthy foods. And that is the reason why the poor in the US are becoming the most overweight segment of the population, with the most health problems.

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My random thoughts on this topic -- they are random.
1. Both my parents suffered during the great depression from lack of food -- going 2 days on a tiny meal was pretty common for several years. You'd think they'd applaud plentiful cheap food Yet they put garden vegetables and farm chickens and beef on our table. Rarely opened cans. If the food was frozen, they froze it.
2. People on food stamps stretch the monthly amount with junk food. Ramen soup is cheap; white bread is cheap; liters of coke are cheap.
3. Family meals are more likely to be take out brought home than a home cooked meal.
4. The last time I went to a family Thanksgiving, it wasn't a bounty of a turkey, mashed potatoes, homemade pies -- it was sliced reheated turkey, instant mashed potatoes, instant gravy, yams covered in marshmallows, more desserts than mains.
5. Some of the most popular SparkRecipes are pretty junky. I saw one today that was 2 layers of tator tots as the base


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I agree- there is no reason to moderate junk.

Sure treats- but real ones without chemicals and coloring.

For ex. no thanks to green pistachio ice cream+gums + stabalizers but a dish of real cream and pistachios is hard to say no to (for me)..although just some pistachios can be a good thing...yes I know sugar is also processed...

When the treat is real food then we don't crave more. We are satisfied or at least that has been my experience.

And if we eat food without nutrition- toaster waffles and coffee and then a sandwich of processed foods and then pasta with veggies and factory raised chicken then we are still hungry. It is not about calories in or out.

As for meat- I am an on again off again vegan but when vegan I do not eat crap just because it is vegan. Sprout your beans and seeds and grains. GREENS!!!! Fermented foods.... It can be work yes but it can also be simple.

I like the idea of being active during he day. Good water to drink. if meat- then fresh and know how animals were kept and were fed healthy too! Not too much. Healthy fats. Nuts. No processed foods. Those are not even foods!

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GMO foods have no flavor, and the soil has been depleted of minerals.


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good thoughts on the subject emoticon

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I think our taste has changed over the past generation too where we crave high carbs and fatty foods. I feel we are doing a disservice to the next generation who are seeing more obesity issues. Parents have a tougher time with a busier lifestyle and preparing healthy meals, but it can be done.

When you look at nutritional meals, they are filled with color vs the fast food meals. Growing up, fast food meals were rare and there was just one McDonalds in town.

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That is so true. We were watching something on PBS awhile ago, showing how they manipulate foods to get better yields and storage longevity for them. Some varieties are eliminated from the food choices completely.

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All things in moderation doesn't really address the problem that a lot of things being sold as food are so adulterated they barely qualify as food anymore.

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I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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All things in MODERATION



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smart emoticon

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it's great you can do that ! emoticon

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I try to grow my own and use mostly fresh local food




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read labels...avoid all forms of added sugar!...

Forget 'will 'power... Embrace "Won't" power!!!

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some of it is indeed confusing, but it is good that you think and consider all these aspects you mentioned.

There are some that make an entire religion out of every bite they eat. Obviously, it is pretty reasonable to avoid particular things. However, when I go out... I try and pick the best choice. I don't eat out all the time and think it won't kill me.

I use organic in my smoothies for sure. Sometimes I have Smelt bread or sprouted organic bread Non GMO when I can, but not always.

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I buy mostly whole foods, shopping the outer perimeter of the grocery store. I make most of our meals from scratch but I don't really buy a lot of organic products. I'd like to believe that organic is better but I don't really trust that there are no government loopholes that can label a product (and price) as organic, yet be no different than the product grown with pesticides. Can I trust a label that says that is "certified humane" and "organic?" Yes, I have watched a lot of documentaries in the past few years and have learned about the revolving door between food companies and US. government agencies. It's disheartening because I really just want to eat healthfully.

On the other hand, I don't completely trust all the food documentaries, either. I started watching one a couple weeks ago that my eldest daughter had recommended and turned it off after about fifteen or twenty minutes because it blamed the obesity epidemic on eating meat. What sense does that make? People have been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years and the obesity epidemic is a new phenomenon. I've got a vegetarian daughter, a mostly-vegan daughter, and a vegan sister. I am not vegetarian myself, but I don't feel the need to condemn other people for their food choices. I don't discount the fact that eating too much meat is an unhealthy habit and can lead to weight gain...but blaming the obesity epidemic on it?

Sometimes it seems that the more I learn the less I really know and the more confused I get about what to buy.

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I also recommend the documentary King Corn. Not political like katie couric's. just good edutainment.

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Cheap sounds like a book I need to read! emoticon Knittingkitty

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I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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The fact that food is transported some 1,000 miles is one problem.



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The book "Cheap - The High Cost of Discount Culture" by Ellen Ruppel Shell was an eye opener for me. I listened to the audio version from the library, and it confirmed some of my suspicions and enlightened me on others. Her coverage of how we get food so cheaply is worth taking the time to read, or listen to. There are some foods I will never buy again, and it certainly makes me want to know where my food is coming from and how it's grown.

As far as surviving off of what's grown locally - well, looking at my lifelong diet I think that's extremely do-able. We always had a big garden, and put as much food by as we could. Buying meat, dairy, and grains from the local farmers and mills is not a problem. I could easily replace the more exotic fruits and veg in my current diet with in season foods. The downfall for me would be salmon and tuna, and nuts, cocoa, and tea.

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Nancypauline -- I'm applauding everything you said.

Enjoying every single moment I can with my husband and little boy!
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yes, most only want to go food shopping once a week or every two weeks. You have some points there...

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Food has additives because essentially it makes food in America cheaper than anywhere else. The average consumer wants a carton of cream to last a whole week or longer. The average consumer prefers to buy soccer uniforms for the kiddie, the newest smart phones, weekends out-of-town, yearly vacations, and on and on. Processed and preserved foods are a consequence of our affluence, and our insatiable appetite for leisure time. I, for one, want milk in a carton; only folks who don't know how much time our grandparents spent tied to their livestock and fields 24/7 would complain. You can choose to spend more because it really costs more to produce, harvest, transport, and dispose of "natural foods." Would you really be content to eat only foods produced within 5 miles of your home and only when seasonally available? Not all of you are ready to make the sacrifices it would take for all of us to eat as JERF suggests.

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I find it contrary that a city would have better quality food than an urban, suburban, or country conditions.

If we are reduced that everything we eat must fall into a shopping cart at Wally World, I lose.

How many window seals, porches, roof tops, back yards, and front yards are growing grass or nothing? Seed is cheap.

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I totally hear you! I recently was sent to the store to pick up an item a neighbor forgot on her shopping trip. It is one I don't usually purchase: pre-made pie crusts (we just make our own). I was shocked when I picked up the name brand. It included SO many ingredients I would never use in making pie dough--including red and yellow food coloring dyes! Who needs that junk!



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Jeff, I do agree that it is easier to find these choices in cities and possibly CA. Also cost is a problem.

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You guys are hitting on a big part of the problem right here. Access. If you have multiple choices in terms of product lines and retail/supply chains, be thankful and do not judge your neighbors so harshly. Many living in rural areas and lower wealth urban areas may have NO easy access to a grocery store or healthy supplies of local foods. And many cannot afford the better choice even if it is conveniently located. Access to the food. Access to the income to be able to purchase it relative to other life concerns. Access. Access. Access.

And why is that? Someone mentioned before that it is a "consumer driven market." Somewhat true but imprecise - it is more to the point a profit driven market. So from the producer all the way to the retail storefront, the incentive is to minimize expenses and maximize income. That's how junk ends up in your food and you end up driving multiple miles to the grocery store if you happen to live in the wrong zip code.

It's a good core question as to why people would not care about what's in their food, and I appreciate the OP asking it. But I think maybe a better question might be why we as Americans tolerate a food system that is in essence making people sick.

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You can only control what you buy and where you shop. Make those choices he best you can. Try not to blame or shame those who who aren't yet at your level of understanding. My mom didn't know macaroni and cheese in a box was unhealthy, but the fact that I do is an improvement. My kids will know more than I do, and on and on.



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i'm not sure on these points, although I have heard these rumors.

Once I heard that the dollar stores have crest toothpaste and hair color that have more lead because they are made in China.Same label, but made elsewhere... not sure about that one either, just makes me wonder with concern.

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I read that about the cellulose in grated cheese. Also read that some high fiber foods have human hair as an ingredient, of course it uses different words. Was also shocked to read that wood pulp goes into Parmesan Cheese, even the name brands. Not sure if either are correct, but makes me wonder why something like this would happen, if it does.

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So many additives in our food today. Concerns me when I can't even pronounce the words let alone know what they are. Pure greed on the part of the producer when things that are unhealthy are put in the foods we eat. I hope people continue to protest these foods so that change will come.



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"some of the grated cheese has cellulose, which i think is in baby diapers for absorption ."

Cellulose is a major component in any vegetable.

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We did a Sunday school study of this book. I learned so much about the BUSINESS of food.

This thread also reminds me of a line from the movie "Say Anything". John Cusack's character is living on protein shakes. His sister tells him, "There's no food in your food!" I say that to DH all the time.

I've been tossing around the idea of giving Whole 30 a try. The toughest part for me would be giving up legumes and dairy. I'm not vegetarian, but I seem to only eat meat 3 or 4 meals a week. Without Greek yogurt and black beans, my low fat protein sources are kind of sparse.

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8/2/17 8:28 P

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some of the grated cheese has cellulose, which i think is in baby diapers for absorption . I think they use it to easier to pour. Yeck...

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Reading labels is always educational. I wanted some shredded Parmesean cheese. When I look at the ingredients, I don't know what half of it is (what is a cheese product anyway?!), so I put this back on the shelf and get an actual piece of Parmesean cheese. At least I know that that is real cheese, and not "cheese product". As an added bonus, I burn a few calories shredding it myself. emoticon



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8/1/17 9:29 P

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GMO's

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Too many preservatives. Too much processing. The way they handle food causes illness. Things are not sanitary enough.



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that is true.. convenience and it tastes a certain way.

I do prepare my aging mom some special foods. They take awhile, but have more food value.

They give her these tiny yogurt cups about 3 or 4 oz. They either have a ridiculous amount of sugar or fake sugar. I bring in the greek yogurt. It has alot more protein. They refuse to keep it there for her. I can't bring her things everyday. I feel bad, when we aren't visiting, her nutrition suffers. She can't at so much, and also their food is institutionalized.

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Consumers want cheap, convenient, food. They SAY they want healthy, but I see more fast food on the side of the road than grocery stores selling healthy food. Still, after a hectic day, the last thing someone without health problems is thinking of is all the prep work un-prepared food needs to have before serving a meal.

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well, alot to consider " MSBOOTCAMP ". I felt free to say this because obviously livelygirl isn't my actual name and everyone doesn't have my address and tattle to my other half. I don't want to use this forum like Facebook , gossip, and trash people.

However, perhaps others have figured out ways of dealing with these sort of differences emoticon emoticon ...

I'll tell you the positive side first. My other half now exercises, takes vitamins.He was taking supplemental fiber and green smoothies... however, that has fallen away.



.He still eats the crummy snacks donuts, chips, soda, and fast food.

I suspect the reason he made the above changes, he had colon cancer 6 years ago. Thank God he didn't have chemo and radiation.

We have been married 39 years. I have to pick my battles. I have discussed these things with him periodically . I have also left materials around to share. I f I talk about it too often, he thinks I am mothering him.

I pray and try to be a good example.

I don't care for this particular habit, but he is very consistent and faithful in many other areas. He is a good father and has various leadership roles.

It is more important than politics, but should you divorce someone over such a thing ?




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