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6/10/14 1:55 P

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They seem pretty similar to me too. Both nice and healthy!



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6/9/14 4:24 P

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I second what CallMeCarrie said.

Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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6/9/14 1:20 P

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Great information... emoticon



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6/9/14 11:03 A

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I pretty much focus on real foods and whole wheat pasta and good whole grain break qualifies. Personally I don't see much difference in the Med diet and clean eating. BTW, I haven't read ONE consistent definition of "clean eating"
I think what is important is that you do what works for you and is making you healthy and feeling great AND is something you can live with forever. That's what's important.



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6/9/14 10:22 A

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"Some people treat their food choices the way people in my childhood treated religion: you can't be pure enough, sin is lurking everywhere."

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This x1000



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6/9/14 10:16 A

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Some people treat their food choices the way people in my childhood treated religion: you can't be pure enough, sin is lurking everywhere. The idea that good whole-wheat bread is unhealthy because it's been milled and baked is bizarre to me. Should we only eat plants that we harvest or kill? If so, I'm either going to sin or I'm going to starve. You're already pure enough -- you list Parmesan as a vice. It's not, in my opinion. Your diet sounds very healthy. I would keep doing what you're doing and let him do what he needs to do.





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6/9/14 8:59 A

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What Russel said "You should just be focused on getting healthy together, on your own plans, which is harder, but not impossible, as long as both people are supportive. "

This.

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6/9/14 8:42 A

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"Clean eating" has been associated with so many different plans that it really doesn't mean anything any more. Keep the focus on whole foods and you'll both be fine.



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6/9/14 8:21 A

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I agree with Russell, there is so much overlap that you can both eat mostly the same meal minus an item for him plus an item for you. BTW, I have to Greece and Italy and no one sites down to a plate of pasta as a meal or a loaf of bread with a meal. Lots of vegetables and fish. They have perfected the art of the roasted vegetable.

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6/9/14 8:06 A

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There is a lot of overlap between advocates of "clean eating" and advocates of "grains are inherently bad for you" eating; that's probably where your boyfriend is coming from. Assuming that's the case, no amount of arguments that your food is healthy (by his definition, it's not) or relatively unprocessed (by his lights, while he may be arguing that, it's not his real problem) are going to make a bit of difference. Ask him to respect you and not denigrate your food choices, and he has to either do that or not.

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6/9/14 8:02 A

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I just watched a program on PBS with a cardiologist...Steven Masley....he suggest avoiding refined carbs for heart health....reduce the amount of carbs from your diet, especially the refined ones, such as corn and wheat. Sugar and flour give the most rise in Blood Sugar. He says no whole wheat either as it is flour and converts to sugar in our bodies. He also says that Hydrogenated and trans fats are embalming foods.

The 30-Day Heart Tune-Up: A Breakthrough Medical Plan to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease

I know that foods with a high glycemic index make people store belly fat

Wheat Bread has a plethora of chemicals and additives in order to make the bread shelf stable....and here's the downside...two slices of whole wheat bread now raise your blood sugar more than two tablespoons of table sugar....amylopectin A one of the ingredients is super fattening

I eat rye bread ( 2 slices only) because for some reason (that scientists are still looking into), the sugars in rye flour are absorbed into your bloodstream much more slowly and my blood sugars don't peak and crash which can make me hungrier. Pure rye bread contains only rye flour, without any wheat and can usually be bought at a German Bakery. The darker the rye the better.

Maybe if you are stuck not losing....maybe try to skip all breads and pasta for a few days.... eat veggie soup....eat berries which have the least impact on blood sugar and veggies as they can also hydrate you....and see what happens....trial and error is probably the best way to help you judge whether you want that pasta or wheat bread.

Keep a log so you know...good luck



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That's what side dishes are for. You can have the same main dish, like chicken breast, and broccoli, and just give him a bigger portion, and have a slice of bread, or pasta with your dinner.

Focus on what you both can eat. I think you will find that most of it overlaps, and you can add what you need. Then you can focus on your diet, and he can focus on his, but you can sit down and eat a meal together.

The only problem may be his criticism. Work out how you can accomplish these meals, and if he continues to make comments about your bread or pasta, just tell him, it isn't for him, and please don't make comments about my food. Eat your own. Sometimes people are so focused on their plan, that they don't even think about the fact that others might be following one that ALSO works, and that they enjoy eating. You should just be focused on getting healthy together, on your own plans, which is harder, but not impossible, as long as both people are supportive.



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6/9/14 2:38 A



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Saying "Mediterranean Diet vs Clean Eating" is kind of like saying "Photography vs Art." They're not mutually exclusive; one can be included within the other. You certainly can do photography that no one would call art, and you could eat a version of the Med diet that no one would call clean. Likewise, there are some (snobby, IMHO) people who would say that photography is never art, just like there are some (snobby, IMHO) people who will say that a diet that includes grains is never clean. But most people accept that there's no reason your Mediterranean Diet can't also be clean eating.

I would say that your BF is confused about what "processed" means. In nutritional terms, processed foods are those that have something taken out (and sometimes replaced with an artificial version.) White flour would be an example, because the skin and germ of the wheat is removed. Whole wheat flour is not a processed food by most definitions, because all they do is smash it. If you call whole grain flours processed and not "clean," then logically a carrot would stop being "clean" if you cut it into carrot sticks. Milk and cheese aren't usually considered processed either-- skim milk has most of the fat separated out, but that's not really "processing;" you still have two whole foods when you're done. If you take an egg and separate it, you don't turn the white and yolk into "processed foods" even if you only eat the whites. Likewise, most cheeses are made of whole milk, enzymes, salt, and maybe annatto, which is just achiote seeds-- if anything, it would be healthy for people to eat much, more MORE annatto because it's packed with antioxidants.

Also-- and i know you didn't come here for relationship advice, but this really jumps out-- when you say he "scoffs," do you mean he actually comments negatively about the food another adult chooses to eat? If diet discussions lead to scoffing and snark, you might have to just agree not to talk about it. Declare it as an off-limit topic.



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6/8/14 1:07 P

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I'll show him the article. When he played football in high school, he went on a no carb diet and I think he might be getting no carb confused with "clean" eating. :-)



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6/8/14 12:32 P

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Well, again it's up to personal interpretation of "Clean", lol.

I go by the 5 ingredient or less rule, some go by "If I can't pronounce it I don't eat it", others are more extreme. I've never heard, however, of excluding a food group - unless it is based on how it is prepared.

Potato chips - well - I could make my own using potatoes, oil and salt - or I could buy a bag of lays, with the same exact ingredients used.

Let's look at vanilla ice cream:

Choice A Ingredients:
Milk, Cream, Skim Milk, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Contains 2% or less of Vanilla Extract, Vanillin, Carob Bean Gum, Guar Gum, Carrageenan, Mono & Diglycerides, Cellulose Gel, Cellulose Gum, Annatto for color.

Choice B Ingredients:
MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, TARA GUM, NATURAL FLAVOR.

As someone who eats clean..I choose B.

Now, a more clean eating purist than me, might make their own vanilla ice cream emoticon

Cheese - Well..I could buy a block of Cabots cheddar cheese (Pasteurized milk, cheese cultures, salt, enzymes, annatto (if colored) )...or I could make my own with the same ingredients, except the colouring.

Here's a good article on clean eating - and it's very simple www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/6-qu
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Is his problem with bread the fact that someone else made it? Ask him if he is gonna grow and mill the wheat in your back yard. Right next to where he is gonna keep the cow needed for the milk and cheese......

Edited by: EELPIE at: 6/8/2014 (12:32)
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6/8/14 12:10 P

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Hi Eelpie,
I only buy whole grain bread and pasta ... I wouldn't eat white bread even off a diet because I don't like the texture. When he says clean eating, he's talking about cutting out processed foods like bread, pasta, milk, cheese. When I looked up clean eating diets most of them said to cut out anything with flour ... which to me seems off because flour is just wheat that's been ground, right? Seems like a lot of what is "processed" is just natural food that's had too many extra things done to it. Cheese, for instance, seems like one of those things. All of this from a guy who drinks Monster everyday, lol. :-)



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6/8/14 10:32 A

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nicoise is the first thing that comes to mind when i think med and clean. it also seems like there should be a decent overlap with seafood as well. have you looked at any of tosca reno's cookbooks for recipes that fit your med requirements? it would also be a great way to point out recipes like spicy tempeh sausage with spinach and rotini or garden vegetable pitas because tosca reno certainly includes pasta and bread in her recipes.

-google first. ask questions later.

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It's not a fad for me...however...

What is clean eating to you? It's different for every single person.

Let's take a look at the pasta and bread situation that you described:

The ingredients in pasta are what? Flour, water, maybe eggs, a little salt? (lol...I am not gonna google pasta ingredients, so, you know..).

Sounds pretty "clean" to me. Is the problem that you are buying it in a box? Would your boyfriend prefer that you make it yourself, out of the same ingredients? I am confused here....

Bread - What are you buying? Bread made with whole ingredients, or Wonder white bread? Again...would he prefer that you make it yourself? Is he gonna grow the wheat, and mill it? Go to a well with a bucket for the water?

Are you somehow confusing the concept of "eating clean" with low carb or primal?

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6/8/14 10:14 A

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For about 4 years now, I've been following the Mediterranean Diet (about 90% ... I do love a Starbucks Coffee a few times a week). The results have been amazing ... not only are my hair and skin softer, my energy level is higher, and my aches and pains from 2 knee surgeries are decreased. On top of that, my Glucose, Cholesterol, and Triglycerides are all perfect. I haven't had very much weight loss, but the Med Diet isn't really about weight loss.

If you aren't familiar with the Med Diet, it's high in whole grains ... I eat a lot of semolina (durham wheat) whole grain pasta and whole grain bread. I read labels. I have a few vices, like eggbeaters for convenience or cheeses (like feta and parmesan), and occasionally I need skim milk for a recipe.

My boyfriend, however, is on a clean eating diet. He scoffs at how much "processed" food the Med Diet contains ... all the pasta and bread particularly. I've done some research on clean eating and I laughed a little bit at what I read. Some of the foods on the no-no list are very good for you ... like whole grains ... and are only minimally processed. And the fact that there's a list of foods you can't eat just sort of seemed like a joke to me. The Med Diet doesn't really exclude anything, just puts certain foods in more moderation than others.

At any rate, I'm trying not to be snarky with him about it. But to me, the clean eating diet seems like a fad. What are your thoughts? Have you done clean eating and had success? Is there some way we can merge the Med and Clean Eating into something we can both do?

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