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The Alternative Medicines Comprehensive Database is a great research evidence based resource for medical professionals to use to help determine the benefit of various herbs, supplements, etc.

The link I provided below provides the treatment plan for food allergies.

I think it is great that you are working with a Registered Dietitian who can help with your course of treatment to improve your health. This person can determine when a referral is needed to another health professional (to rule out more serious conditions), as well as trialing food treatment options. You are working with a trained health profession; something that is not present with the Whole 30 approach.

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I agree that Becky gives good advice, and very general advice. Of course people with specific medical problems should be under the care of a professional. It's unfortunate that someone has to point that out all the time. People should be intelligent enough to understand the difference between diagnosing a disease or a true allergy and exploring how food affects your body. The Whole 30 does not appear to me to suggest it can diagnose IBS, but I don't think there's a skin prick test that tells you if it's the beans you're eating in a largely varied diet that make you feel lethargic or just the preservatives/enhancers in food. People do often turn to "alternative recommendations" because following the general recommendations hasn't worked. Oddly enough, the dietitian I work with now, just gave me guidelines that look a lot like the Whole 30. But that's to deal with issues that I have. Some of us may seem contrary because we speak from experiences we've had, and there's some validity to that experience that's often ignored on these boards in favor of clearer, more black and white thinking.



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I totally agree with you YarnLovinLizzy.




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It could be very dangerous (even deadly) for a person experiencing medical problems related to food to follow the Whole 30 plan. An accurate medical diagnosis and treatment plan is what is needed. For anyone experiencing problems, I recommend working with your doctor.

If anyone is interested, these are the approved guidelines for the management of food allergies:
www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/foodallergy/clini
cal/documents/faguidelinespatient.pdf


There are also guidelines and protocols for the management of other food related conditions such as: celiac disease, IBS, Ulcerative Colitits, Inflammatory Bowel, lactose intolerance, etc, etc.

Whole 30 does not meet "any" of these protocols for diagnosis or treatment. And should not be encouraged as a way to provide medical nutrition therapy for those with such conditions. It could be very dangerous, even deadly.


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Becky, I have been reading these boards on and off for the past six years. I see how often your sound and safe advice is ignored and people just carry on with bad information like you never spoke. I for one respect and listen to you, I appreciate your education on the subjects of diet and nutrition. If you ever feel like you are banging your head against a wall, please know that there are some of us out here that listen.

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I believe in all those guidelines, except the exclusion of eggs and occasional dairy.

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lol Mandie - I've been thinking lentils with some goat cheese mixed in would be divine!!!

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Elimination diets are utilized in a variety of contexts to help people with digestive (or other?) symptoms. What you discover from such things can be amazing. Still, it's not a weight loss plan. I agree it would be good to have medical supervision - especially in cases where it's being attempted as a diagnostic tool - but if you're just trying to identify "bumps in your road", you don't *have* to have a professional directing it.

I know the term "Whole 30", although I don't know its specifics. I've never done it (that I know of), although I do listen when my body tells me it simply will not or cannot manage or metabolize some foods. I don't push my luck, and I'm better off for that.

I think healthier eating in general is key, rather than trying to adhere to some plan constructed with anyone else's specifics. Certainly some things are healthy or unhealthy overall... but we still each need to listen and heed the signals our own bodies send us.

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I was just listening to JJ being interviewed yesterday and the Whole 30 is an elimination diet to figure out what if any sensitivities someone may have to a certain food. She eliminates the foods that people typically have the most problems with for 30 days then reintroduces them one at a time to see how they are tolerated. Weight loss can be a side effect but it is not the goal of the diet.

The premise is great. However that's a lot of food to cut out all at one time. I have always had horrible digestive problems and I have had great success with eliminating some foods (not entirely, but mostly). I used an elimination type diet to figure out what foods cause me problems.

Although this is not "medically approved" I really think it would be silly not to listen to my body. Common sense tells us if we are doing something that causes discomfort or pain to stop doing it. That same reasoning should apply to food as well.

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I do agree with you, some things don't work for some people. I have diabetic family members that can consume bread and carbs. And other diabetic family members who absolutely cannot. It causes their blood sugar to go through the roof.

I am able to eat things in moderation, but I am trying hard to make my diet better every day. Cutting out all breads and pastas doesn't appeal to me. Cutting out most of them is not a bad idea.

I also adore cheese. Maybe if I put cheese on my lentils? :)

We each have to find what works for us

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 5/7/2014 (22:34)
Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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As a Registered Dietitian I find the program disturbing for these 2 reasons.

1. People may be under the impression that Whole 30 is a plan for weight loss. But the site says this is not a weight loss plan. Of course people will lose weight---just look at all the foods one is restricting for 30 days. However, a weight loss plan should be a plan that you can stick with for the rest of your life. Whole 30 does not meet this criteria. So, as the site says...it is not a weight loss plan.

2. The site is indicating that Whole 30 is a way to determine "what" foods one can tolerate, what may be inflaming your system, etc, etc. It is a type of elimination diet. But, medically speaking...this is not the medically approved protocol for determining food allergies or food sensitivities or food tolerance issues. This plan is not based on scientific evidence for the diagnosis or treatment for such condition.

So what is the purpose or medical benefit of the plan. I see no true benefit. There are much better ways to eat to improve your health which do incorporate accurate scientific research.

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Thanks Rebecca. Well, I guess it's caseins for me, as I adore cheese!!!!

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EELPIE - casein is a protein found in milk products. It's also used as a binder in foods sometimes. But some people are allergic to it or try to avoid it; sometimes you'll see the label "casein free" on a food.

MANDIETERRIER1 - I also dislike the idea of labeling food "good" or "bad" but I personally don't think that excluding something makes it "bad." Please, if I could eat certain things (beans, pasta, bread) and still lose weight or feel great, I would. But I can't. That doesn't make the food bad in my mind; it's more about your attitude than what you eat.

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I believe question was asked, not related to the merits of Whole 30 but rather what is it. Personally it is not for me, I have done a similar idea without cutting as much at once. I eliminated dairy (cow's) for a month then reintroduced it and found I was lactose intolerant. each person must find what works before them long term



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@ Rebeca - what is casein? Does that have to do with meat?

mmmmm Lentily stew!

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On Weight Watchers I can have anything I want as long as I don't go over in bonus points. No food is off limits. I just choose to use my points mostly for real food. Although I do use my bonus points for treats sometimes.

I am going to have to try Barley and Lentils again. Maybe it was the way my mom prepared them? I used to dislike Brussel Sprouts, but now I love them roasted. And love them in general.

I always had stomach problems when I was a child. I am glad my parents didn't have this diet to put me on. Turns out my inflammation and pain was caused by a cyst on my common bile duct. Diet would not have fixed it. Diet might have helped, but it wouldn't make it go away. It had to be fixed with surgery. It took fourteen years of symptoms for this disorder to be found and diagnosed.

I have a friend that is always putting her kids on diets like this. Without her doctors advice. I think that just sets up disordered eating. To assign food good and bad. That is unless there is a known allergy. My other friends child has been diagnosed with Celiac's disease. So it makes sense that they avoid gluten.

Just my .02

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Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 5/7/2014 (22:29)
Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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Geez. A "fad diet" is different from a "crash diet." Also food groups mean nothing - macro nutrients mean more.

I might call paleo a "fad" diet because of the way it's packaged. That doesn't mean it doesn't have any redeeming characteristics. And again, you're labeling it that way perhaps because you haven't read much about it (the whole 30 is a very specific 30 day elimination plan).
Nobody here labeled anything as okay to eat as far as I saw someone pasted a list of foods from the site. (And there's a whole thing in the paleo stuff about casein, which is not something I in particular care about and there's a strong statement to eat organic, grass fed and unprocessed meats, which I do care about.) Nothing I said contradicts what you said and vice versa.

In your list, though, there's actually not anything there that applies to the Whole 30. For one, it's not a weight loss plan. There is stuff, though, that I would take issue with there. There are valid health reasons to limit either carbohydrates or fats in one's diet and there are most certainly hormone issues that cause weight gain (or loss for that matter). There are more things on that list that apply to Weight Watchers.

All that being said, EELPIE I love lentils. I used to do a stew with lentils, spinach, and curry (you can even put barley in it). It''s delicious. Unfortunately, when I eat beans any weight loss comes to a halt.

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We have cut dairy because we journaled and under a doctor's supervision were told to cut dairy (btw it casein that we were cutting and those appear in things like sausage (which you listed as okay to eat). She also had allergy testing - skin and blood.

But we did not remove wheat/corn/potatoes/oats/millet/legumes etc from her diet. If that was a possible allergen we would have - there is no need to do it all at once. You can eliminate one and see how it goes, and later eliminate another.

It is a crash diet - you are eliminating 2 entire food groups.

How to spot a fad diet:
Here are some things to look for that are common in fad diets:
• Blames weight gain on things like blood type,
personality, or hormones
• Carries no warnings for individuals with health
problems to seek medical advice before beginning the
plan
• Carries warnings of danger from one of the products
• Discourages drinking water
• Doesn’t address the need for portion control
• Doesn’t allow freedom and flexibility
• Doesn’t recommend or include physical activity
• Encourages unlimited consumption of certain foods
• Forbids or limits certain foods
• Ignores individual differences in weight loss
• Lists good and bad foods
• Must combine certain foods in each meal
• Must pay a good amount of money to get results
• Promises a “quick fix” with little to no effort
• Rapid weight loss, more than 2 pounds a week
• Requires you to purchase a certain product
• Severe limits on carbohydrates or fat
• Simple conclusions drawn from complex studies
• Sounds too good to be true
• Uses testimonials or case studies to show results
• You must drink your daily calorie intake

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Pretty much no one should be on a "crash diet", LILSPARKGIRL, but if you think it's a "crash diet" then again you're reading it wrong. There's no emphasis on calorie counting, just on eating fresh, unprocessed food and eliminating foods that are known allergens and inflammatory for some people. People cut foods out of their diets for allergies all of the time and still remain healthy. I'm not saying that I think that it's the only way to eat healthily, find out what foods bother you, or that it works for everyone or even something everyone can or wants to stick to. But, I think people make a lot of assumptions about things without knowing much about them - or just not understanding what eating a certain way looks like. As I mentioned, there are plenty of people who would say the same things you said about veganism. I would encourage you to look at some of the Whole 30 or Paleo recipes - they can be a good addition to any healthy eating plan.

This is an interesting blog about reintroducing foods after a Whole 30 : hollywouldifshecould.net/2013/01/post-whol
e-30-reintroduction-thoughts-on-whats-
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oh Mandie, you made my heart sad to hear that emoticon

Just kidding! How do you feel about barley? OMG don't even get me going on barley! lol, my bf said to me the other day "What the in the hell is up with you and barley?" - I had it for the first time about 2 weeks ago!

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I don't like lentils, but I think they would be good for someone that likes them.

Since joining WW. (I joined because my mother wanted a buddy) I now usually eat cauliflower or broccoli with my meat dishes. Or broccoli slaw. Pasta and rice have a lot of points.

I am glad that the Whole 30 works for some. For me no grains and all that fat is a recipe for indigestion.

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Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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I don't think children should be put on any crash diet.

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LILSPARKGIRL - the Whole 30 is by definition a 30 day program. It's not meant to be long term. And I would absolutely think it was a good idea for my 12 year old to eat fresh, clean foods and no sugar. It's really just that easy to explain. I've read about this and I have never heard that if you "mess up" you have to start again. Maybe I missed something on the page when I was reading it?

But, as I said before most people who do the "Paleo Diet" or any sort of way of eating really, are in an 80/20 or 90/10 situation, in that they eat that way the large majority of the time, but have a treat occasionally. I don't see how that's not a healthy relationship with food. Counting calories is more stressful than that. If you think it's about some combative relationship with food, then you're reading it wrong. It's all about the abundance that's available when you ditch processed food.

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@LILSPARKGIRL - OMG - I never had lentils in my life until a little while ago! Oh, wow, where have they been all this time?

Ginger today for the time, I loved it! They are so good :)

It's mind blowing to me, how all this time I missed such an easy, nutritious, healthy, easy to prepare, protein packed food!!

I've honestly, never even eaten Indian food before - so I'm super excited about the ginger and curry powder...I'm kinda aiming for this www.yummly.com/recipe/external/Red-Lentil-
Curry-Allrecipes
- but I'm not sure about the tomato puree - I have to find very low sodium, or just use fresh tomatoes.

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it's not that is "nothing to eat", just that it extremely restrictive. And if you have that forbidden food you start the 30 days all over again.

Of course it works. it's some fruit, some vegetables, meat, eggs and fish.

But is it sustainable long term? Do you follow it and the next month add one item. And then the next add another item?

And if your 12 year old wanted to do it would you think it was a good idea or example? it is VERY easy to explain spark to my daughter. if she wanted to follow it, it would not hurt her or her idea of food not being the enemy. It shows a healthy relationship with food.


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I have just discovered lentils - I have the red ones. I love them! i make a big batch of them plain and then I cook a serving with freshly diced tomatoes, onions and curry powder. I add any leftover vegetables (today zucchini and some broccoli).

it's a filling and delicious meal!

My gf uses garam masala to season hers - i'm trying that next week!

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I don't get it when people say there's nothing to eat with paleo or low carb or whatever. There's a whole world of fruits and vegetables as well as proteins and a myriad of combinations of such. What's hard about it is changing how you eat habitually - reaching for a sandwich for lunch or a scoop of rice with your stir fry or stopping at the McDonald's in the mall. If you're not shopping in the middle aisles of the grocery store, you're almost there anyway. Being a vegan is just as (if not more so) restrictive and a potential "inconvenience" to others. The Whole 30 is a very specific commitment though, and very different from the Standard American Diet. From what I can tell, most people who use the "Paleo Diet" approach use a 80/20 or 90/10 approach. The smaller number being for allowances like a slice of birthday cake or a glass of wine. But as someone else said, the Whole 30 also aims to help a person identify foods that cause them inflammation or some sort of distress. So while nightshades can be perfectly healthy, some people may have problems with them. (My mom notices a big difference in how she feels when she avoids them, for example). There's absolutely nothing unhealthy about it and it can help people learn to eat cleaner and find out if there are foods bothering them that they didn't notice.

For the OP, if you want a challenge it is one, but if not, it will likely frustrate you. That being said, I'm thinking of committing to a Whole 30 as a challenge (just like people who do sugar detoxes, kick a soda habit or commit to daily exercise) - the tough thing for me would be not having a glass of wine here and there. This is how I eat the majority of the time and besides my weight, all my numbers have gotten even better.

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I think (again) this is where I am having an issue. As someone who struggles to get protein and minerals and iron in my diet - and have found lentils to do all of that for me...then to hear that it's not a good food to eat (should be excluded)....

lol...off topic, but I experimented with ginger with the lentil concoction today!! OMG. I'm getting curry powder next shopping trip - should be good with the ginger, garlic and onions with the lentils.



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*grumbles about plausible-sounding sciency terminology masquerading as something with a meaningful connection to human health*

Let me get started someday on the "anti-nutrients" in spinach; the botanical history of squashes or broccoli; or the hidden assumption that lentils are intended to replace 'real' vegetables in a diet (they're not) or that they have fewer nutrients (besides the easily replaceable lack of an amino acid or two) than the meat and starchy vegetables they could replace (they don't), or that their carbohydrates are in any way bad f(they're not) ... Blergh. Sorry.

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Lentils work as wonderful protein source for me, as I am over 95% vegetarian. I eat meat once a week. www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspic
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I follow a low gi form of eating, which along with clean eating, caused me to lose weight. Successfully.



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But many people don't eat like you do - too many people rely on fast food, processed food
and/or "diet" food, i.e. Lean Cuisine, Weight Watchers meals, etc. As far as not eating legumes on this plan; this is the explanation from the website:

"Legumes are often recommended as a healthy dietary choice, based on their fiber, vitamins and minerals, and “high” protein content. But legumes aren’t really a dense protein source (most contain two to three times as much carbohydrate as protein), and they’re nowhere near as dense (or complete) as the protein found in meat, seafood, or eggs. In addition, when compared to vegetables and fruit, legumes pale in comparison in both micronutrient density and fiber.

"Some legumes also contain considerable amounts of phytates — anti-nutrients which bind to minerals in the legumes, rendering them unavailable to our bodies. (This means some of the minerals technically present in the legumes aren’t able to be accessed by our bodies — and means that legumes aren’t as micronutrient-dense as nutrition data might suggest.*)

"*Ancient cultures figured out that rinsing, prolonged soaking, cooking, and fermenting legumes reduces the anti-nutrient content. If you choose to eat legumes, we highly recommend you also take these steps to mitigate some of the potential downsides.

"In addition, because some of the short-chain carbohydrates (sugars) found in legumes aren’t properly digested and absorbed in the digestive tract, they can act as food for bacteria living in the intestines. These bacteria then “ferment” these carbohydrates, which can create unpleasant symptoms like gas and bloating, and potentially contribute to gut dysbiosis – an inherently inflammatory condition."

On this plan, we eat real food – fresh, natural food like meat, vegetables and fruit. Choose foods that are nutrient-dense, with lots of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals, over foods that have more calories but less nutrition. Food quality is important – be careful about where meat, seafood and eggs come from, and buy organic local produce as often as possible.

This is not a “diet” – we eat as much as needed to maintain strength, energy, activity levels and a healthy body weight. Aim for well-balanced nutrition, so eat both animals and a significant amount of plants. It is not lacking carbohydrates – they are just obtained from vegetables and fruits instead of bread, cereal or pasta. The meals are probably higher in fat than you’d imagine, but fat is a healthy source of energy when it comes from high-quality foods like avocado, coconut and grass-fed beef.

Eating like this is ideal for maintaining a healthy metabolism and reducing inflammation within the body. It’s good for body composition, energy levels, sleep quality, mental attitude and quality of life. It helps eliminate sugar cravings and reestablishes a healthy relationship with food. It also works to minimize your risk for a whole host of lifestyle diseases and conditions, like diabetes, heart attack, stroke and autoimmune.


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"no ingredients listed at all because they’re totally natural and unprocessed."

I guess this is my confusion? That's what I already do.

It's called eating clean.

But according to the list above, legumes are out.

My favourite lunch is: sauteed onions in olive oil, garlic, lentils, carrots, butter. I eat that 5 times a week.

"basically you eat foods with very few ingredients, all pronounceable ingredients, or better yet, no ingredients listed at all because they’re totally natural and unprocessed. "

I guess I don't understand the restrictions on it.

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What do people eat on Whole 30? How about: Fish and seafood (preferrably wild-caught + sustainably fished), beef, buffalo, lamb, elk, venison, etc., eggs (preferrably pastured + organic), poultry (preferrably pastured + organic), pork, wild boar, rabbit, etc. (pastured + organic), bacon, sausage, deli meat, etc. (100% grassfed/pastured + organic), just about any vegetable you can imagine; fruit; healthy fats, i.e. animal fats (pastured or 100% grassfed + organic), clarified butter, ghee, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, avocado, cashews, coconut butter, coconut meat/flakes, coconut milk (canned), hazelnuts, macadema nuts, olives, almonds, almond butter, brazil nuts, pecans, pistachio; limited amounts of fax seeds, pine nuts, pumpkin seets, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, sunflower seed butter, walnuts - basically you eat foods with very few ingredients, all pronounceable ingredients, or better yet, no ingredients listed at all because they’re totally natural and unprocessed.

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I know somebody that did it. And they lost weight. It is really hard to stick too.

I guess that everyone is different. I made it to goal (125 pounds down from 165) eating in moderation. I don't like beans, but tell me that I can't have them and that is all I will want.

What do people eat on the Whole 30? That list of don'ts doesn't seem to leave much to eat.

Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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I don't really agree that you "just" cut out all of those foods for 30 days - that is a HUGE amount of time! Especially when factoring in a night eating out, a staff party, family gatherings, etc, over the course of a month. I'd rather not be a hermit or inconvenience someone to that extent.



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I can really relate to you. I cut out a lot of processed foods and started to incorporate more vegetables into my meals. I also started watching my calories. Watching what I eat, drinking more water and exercising is helping me to lose my weight. I also noticed a difference in my skin, hair and nails as well. I think that all comes from exercising and eating better.

I decided a year ago I never wanted to do another diet. I read through this myself and there are many restrictions that I do not think I can do so I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

Thanks again for the feedback!

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I agree with you. When I say diet I gain weight. My best friend is trying this and I wanted some feedback. Thanks for all the responses.

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I'm glad it worked for you.

I've had remarkable success with my own diet in regards to my energy, cholesterol, skin clearing up, hair growing 3 inches and being more full and lustrous than ever in my life. My fingernails are now off the charts. I have to file them down every 2 weeks now in order to keep them manageable - my SIL asked me last weekend how I much I spend on them (thought the were fake at salon).

But, I didn't follow any special diet plan for that. I simply cut out processed foods from my diet and now only eat whole foods that I enjoy.

I also lost weight doing that, too! Such amazing results, I sometimes forget the weight loss side of it emoticon

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What LILSPARKGIRL fails to mention in her response is that while yes, you do avoid those foods but it's only for 30 days - after the 30 days (hence the name Whole 30), you add them back in one at a time to see how your body reacts to it - this is how you discover what foods, if any, you are sensitive to. I've done it and it makes perfect sense to me. Also, it's not technically a weight loss diet, in fact they tell you to NOT get on the scales, don't measure, etc., just follow the plan exactly as it's written for 30 days. Most people do lose a considerable amount of weight simply because they've eliminated many foods that are likely toxic for their body. What is amazing about the plan is that you will lose your cravings for sweets and junk food, you likely won't feel hungry between meals, your energy level will skyrocket, skin will clear up, cholesterol may even improve! Is it easy? No, but for me it was worth it!

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Wow! Now I've seen it all!

lol.....or go insane trying emoticon

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it looks like those are most of the rules. There are more in their FAQ. how can anyone NOT lose weight? emoticon

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@ LILSPARKGIRL are those the rules in the diet?

If so....um, how about no way?

To the OP? Have you tried eating foods you DO enjoy and staying in your daily range?

1. Track your food on your tracker everyday.

2. Stay in your range.

3. Eat foods you like.

4. Enjoy.

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oh my. No. Haven't tried it and after looking at their website and all the "rules".... do not ever intend to. And if you slip and eat something you're not supposed to, you have to start over at Day 1. Nope. Not for me.

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Frankly, the idea of following a diet again makes me want to cry. I can't imagine giving up entire food groups again. Does this sound like something you can do the rest of your life?

Do not consume added sugar of any kind, real or artificial. No maple syrup, honey, agave nectar, coconut sugar, Splenda, Equal, Nutrasweet, xylitol, stevia, etc. Read your labels, because companies sneak sugar into products in ways you might not recognize.

Do not consume alcohol in any form, not even for cooking. (And it should go without saying, but no tobacco products of any sort, either.)

Do not eat grains. This includes (but is not limited to) wheat, rye, barley, oats, corn, rice, millet, bulgur, sorghum, amaranth, buckwheat, sprouted grains and all of those gluten-free pseudo-grains like quinoa. This also includes all the ways we add wheat, corn and rice into our foods in the form of bran, germ, starch and so on. Again, read your labels.

Do not eat legumes. This includes beans of all kinds (black, red, pinto, navy, white, kidney, lima, fava, etc.), peas, chickpeas, lentils, and peanuts. No peanut butter, either. This also includes all forms of soy – soy sauce, miso, tofu, tempeh, edamame, and all the ways we sneak soy into foods (like lecithin).

Do not eat dairy. This includes cow, goat or sheep’s milk products such as cream, cheese (hard or soft), kefir, yogurt (even Greek), and sour cream… with the exception of clarified butter or ghee. (See below for details.)

Do not eat white potatoes. This is somewhat arbitrary, but if we are trying to change your habits (chips and fries) and improve the hormonal impact of your food choices, it’s best to leave white, red, purple, Yukon gold, and fingerling potatoes off your plate.

Do not consume carrageenan, MSG or sulfites. If these ingredients appear in any form on the label of your processed food or beverage, it’s out for the Whole30.

No Paleo-ifying baked goods, desserts, or junk foods. Trying to shove your old, unhealthy diet into a shiny new Whole30 mold will ruin your program faster than you can say “Paleo Pop-Tarts.”

This means no desserts or junk food made with “approved” ingredients—no banana-egg pancakes, almond-flour muffins, flourless brownies, or coconut milk ice cream. Don’t try to replicate junk food during your 30 days! That misses the point of the Whole30 entirely.

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Has anyone heard or tried whole 30?

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