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5/3/14 8:22 A

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Fruit used to make me hungry but that was only because it metabolizes so quickly. Now, I usually have my fruit along with a protein like cheese, nuts, or meat so that I will stay fuller longer. Hope this helps! :)



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5/2/14 7:11 P

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I do find myself sensitive to processed sugar. I eat a lot of fruit and have never noticed it making my hungry.

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5/2/14 7:01 P

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Once a month our club has coffee and donuts. Donuts work a lot like fruit as these are just a sugar rush. I take a string cheese to help balance the sugar with protein. You could try this or a yogurt with your fruit. Some fruits are higher in sugar than others. Grapes are one of these.

You could also eat some carrot sticks with your fruit and/or use some peanut butter as a dip.





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5/1/14 12:23 P

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Fruit makes me hungry too but not the nuts. Combination of both is good.

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Fruit makes me hungry too if I don't eat some nuts with it.



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Sure--fruit has a lot of carbs.

Even though you are not diabetic, you might find it helpful to look at the glycemic index. Fruits that are lower on the index (cherries, raspberries) might be better than fruits which are on the higher end.

I am no longer diabetic (fasting BS=70, A1C=5.0) but I still find that it is helpful to limit myself to one fruit a day most of the time.

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I also have mitral valve regurgitation, and my cardiologist plans to change the valve soon. I already have congestive heart failure.

The idea that eggs could cause diabetes, or heart disease is hilarious. Diabetes is caused by high blood sugars, and the lack of Insulin's effectiveness from being assaulted vy thes high blood sugars. An egg has .6 grams of carbs, so how would it cause you to develop diabetes. Doughnuts, sure, but not eggs.

The heart disease angle is that eggs increase cholesterol, and that cholesterol increases heart disease risk. I consume 1,300-1,700 mg of cholesterol a day, and my cholesterol stays below 125. If consuming cholesterol raised ones cholesterol, mine would be 5X the recommended levels ( 1000 ). Also, since starting to eat eggs, and increasing butter consumption, I have doubled my HDL, from 24 to 46, reducing my risk of stroke or heart attack.

Last of all, since starting low carb, my heart is pumping a greater percentage of blood than it did before. Normal people pump about 60 % of their heart volume with each heart beat.. I was at 16 %. Now I am at 45%. Also I had an ICD implanted in my chest, and my cardiologist says that if I walked in today, I would not qualify to get one.

The biggest problem with eggs, is that most people eat them with hashed browns, toast and jelly. THAT will cause diabetes/heart disease, but eggs themselves are incredible. 3.4 % carbs, 33.6 % protein, and 63 % fat. Almost identical to my macronutrient ratio.

Our problems started when we dropped fat, and raised carbs. We spiked our glucose, and started having to produce lots of Insulin to offset this. Insulin makes you fat, by storing the excess glucose as bodyfat ( the reason we stopped eating fat ). Meanwhile, as soon as we stored the glucose away, we were hungry, and ate more often, so not only did we store more fat per meal, we did it more often. Result: Obesity epidemic. Cancer, heart disease, and diabetes followed. The truth is, all 4, including obesity come from eating a higher carb diet, which is why these 4 have all increased at the same time.

High glucose levels lead to obesity, and diabetes.. not obesity causes diabetes.. and obesity and diabetes cause the heart disease, and cancer. The root cause though is our diet.

Fix the diet, and you are no longer obese, and you don't develop diabetes, and if you DO develop cancer, or heart disease, it will be decades down the road, most likely, as it was before we foolishly decided to eat low fat. Now we have these problems at 30, instead of 70.

Don't results matter any more? The past 35 years have been the most unhealthy years of human history, yet we think we have all the answers. One thing I know for sure, is that what we are doing is wrong.

How could we suggest that a food without carbs could cause high blood sugars? That defies basic logic. If a very low carb food with protein causes diabetes, then fish/fowl/meat/cheese all cause diabetes too. The first 3 have no carbs at all, and more protein than eggs. The last has a whole gram of carbs, plus plenty of protein too.

Diabetes is simple. It is high glucose levels. What causes that? glucose. What causes glucose? Mostly carbs. Alcohol will convert into glucose, so I don't drink alcohol ( heart problems are another reason ). Yes, protein can be converted to glucose in an emergency, but on a low carb diet, you consume enough glucose to not need to do so, and if the body was to convert protein to glucose, it wouldn't do it to excess. You would convert enough glucose to do the job, and then the body would stop doing it.. meaning no huge spike in glucose. You won't get a 300 mg/dl reading by eating too much protein, is what I am saying.

The glucose needs for the body are very low, and our body produces some glucose on it's own, which is why I can eat 2 grams of carbs today, and not get low blood sugars, do a 1 hour walk, and go play 45 minutes of basketball tonight. That plus, the fact that I am burning ketones ( a byproduct of dissolving fat ) takes care of all my energy needs.

If you were to eat 2.4 grams of carbs ( 4 eggs ), and no other carbs, even a diabetic with the worst control imaginable would soon have stable blood sugars. Most likely they would have to deal with LOW blood sugars too, until their body stabilized, and they could get off meds/ Insulin.

I just find it exasperating that we can't even agree why we have high blood sugars. Since protein, and fat have minimal effect on blood sugars, it only leaves carbs. We know these cause blood sugars to rise, in varying degrees, based on which carbs. Food with 0 carbs, cause blood sugars to drop incredibly fast.

Anyone who doubts that, who is diabetic.. Test in the morning, and eat 4 eggs in 2 Tbsp ( 1/4 stick butter ). One meal won't kill you, relax? Then test it again, in 2 hours. It will be much lower.

Why wonder if eggs cause high blood sugar? If you have a meter, eggs, butter, and 2.5 hours, you can find out the truth today.

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4/30/14 4:51 P

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Fruit makes me hangry! Hungry and angry :) when I eat it alone and my blood sugar plummets shortly after.

When I eat a small amount of fruit with lots of fat and protein I'm okay. Eg. An apple with 2 or 3 eggs and 2 pieces of bacon.



I thought the whole egg/heart disease myth had been debunked years ago.

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4/30/14 3:20 P

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EELPIE,
I'm borderline diabetic and I eat eggs as well. HOWEVER, my dietician explained to me that for diabetics with a history or risk of heart disease, eggs can be dangerous as eggs and diabetes can both increase a person's risk of developing heart disease.

With that said, I think it just depends on the person. I have mitral valve prolapse with regurgitation, and as I mentioned I'm borderline diabetic, but eggs don't seem to affect me at all. And I eat them a lot.



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Yes, this happens to lots of people. I love fruit for breakfast, but I have to have cheese or peanut butter or eggs or something with it or I'll be hungrier an hour after eating than I was before. The same would be true if I ate a bowl of cornflakes with milk and nothing else for breakfast. Too quick to metabolize and then drop off, leaving you with low blood sugar, which makes you hungry.

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And it's odd, because my Uncle eats them all the time, and he has type 1 - so it different types can't have eggs?

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Yes, 4 a day, why? Almost no carbs, and plenty of fat, which keeps my blood sugars stable. I usually have some peppers, or mushrooms with them, so I have some carbs. Instead of eating a bunch of carbs, and trying to then drop my blood sugars down, I try to keep my blood sugars around 80, with small bumps up to 110 @ meals. This means 5-10 grams of carbs per meal.

Is there a problem with eggs for diabetics?

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4/30/14 1:17 P

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Russel, can I ask you something completely off topic? As a diabetic, you eat eggs?

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Check out the glycemic index.

If you want to eat fruit, choose lower glycemic fruits like berries, apples, over bananas.

What happens is you eat a food that is turned into glucose rapidly, Your body must get rid of it by storing it. So Insulin is released by your pancreas ( healthy people, not diabetics ), and it sends some to your muscles for immediate use, then some is stored in your muscles as glycogen, for imminent use, and the rest is stored as triglyceride ( body fat ).

If you eat foods high on the glycemic index, this happens rapidly, your blood is flooded with glucose, and a lot of Insulin is produced to remove it from the blood. This results in lower blood sugar ( 70 ), at which point you feel hungry, and have to eat.

The faster it is digested, and turned into glucose, the faster this happens, and you are hungry more often.. so you eat 6 times, instead of 4. What happens is you just stored those calories as fat, but by eating again, you body never taps into those fat stores. So you eat 400 calories, you body stores 200 as fat, while you use the other 200 to fuel your body ( 50 grams ). When you burn through that, you eat again, so you have no reason to use the fat.

So you are eating low fat, but high carb, to avoid becoming fat, but the body turns carb ( glucose ) into body fat. The answer is simple. You need a way to cause the body to digest the food slower, and not spike the glucose in your blood. Then, with no Insulin release, you slowly burn the glucose for energy. If you take 5 hours to burn 400 calories, your body may be able to use those 80 calories an hour. If you digest it in an hour, most of that will be put into storage ( hips/gut ), and you will feel hungry, and repeat your eating, despite still having those calories in your body.

To avoid this, limit carbs. How much? That varies, but find what works for you, and include fat and protein with all your meals. Eat foods with fiber, that slow digestion. Eat lower glycemic foods, especially carbs, like vegetables.

Carbs themselves aren't the problem, but where we get them. We should focus on the quality of the carbs we eat, whether 50 grams a day, or 250 g.

You may find that some things are trigger foods, like dairy, or fruit ( lactose/fructose ), or just plain sugar, or processed foods. Next time you feel hungry, take note of the last food you ate, and test it on another day. I find pasta/cereal/bread to be trigger foods. I eat any of these, and I won't stop till I eat another 10,000 calories

Both nuts, and fruit can be trigger foods. I eat macadamia nuts ( 80 % fat ), and get no cravings. If I do eat berries, it is with an egg, or some meat, not with other carbs. Same with apples, and cheese. You will digest the fruit quickly, but the chicken will take hours, and prevent the drop in sugars quickly. This leads to reduced hunger, which is just the body signalling that you glucose is getting low. You may find out that smaller, more infrequent meals help too. No big glucose spike, and you don't get hungry, if the next meal is 3-4 hours away.

You are hungry because of the food, and how you eat ( in combination with other food ). Hunger isn't a symptom, just the device to let you know that either, it is time for your next meal, if you digested the last one correctly ( proper amount of time ), OR, a sign that you diet is seriously unbalanced, and that is why you are starving 2 hours after breakfast.

That just means you have to fix the problem. It isn't as simple as the fruit makes you hungry. You can eat fruit without being hungry at times, so the problem is what you eat the fruit with.

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Yeah this happens to a lot of people. Try the higher protein/lower sugar snacks like people are suggesting. You'll likely feel much better. I like hard-boiled eggs sometimes despite that they don't hold me for long at all by themselves; I LOVE hummus with cut-up veggies; cheese sticks can be good; peanut butter on celery or -- maybe, depends how you react -- a good bread or cracker; small salad with meat, egg, nuts/seeds or chickpeas, plus oil; there are plenty more. Veggies are great for bulking out a snack that would otherwise be too small in volume. I usually prefer around 200 calories to keep me going for a while; part of the problem with relying on a piece of fruit or small yogurt as a snack is that they can actually be very small in terms of calories and hence unsatisfying to a hungry body on just about every level.

You can still eat the other things, but in terms of hunger you may be better off keeping them as just one part of a larger meal. Or maybe you could have them shortly before a meal as an appetizer.

Oh, and as for yogurt, you could give full fat/reduced fat a try if you're currently eating fat free. (And definitely avoid any varieties with any added "fruit" or sweetener, assuming you can eat it that way.) The added fat might help balance it out for you.

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Fruit doesn't have much to it but sugar. The higher the fiber, the more filling it will be. Apples do this for me... I will eat an apple, then feel even hungier. That is why they recommend eating it with something more substantial like cheese or peanut butter. Pair your fruit with cottage cheese or something else compatible and I think you will notice a difference.



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I wonder if it's is the specific fruit? For example, a banana doesn't hold me over like a pear will.

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I saw a nutritionist recently and was explaining that my snack of fruit and nuts actually makes me feel hungrier. She suggested that I may be sensitive to the sugar. I'm wondering if other people also experience this and if anyone knows if there is a name for this "condition". I found it really interesting when she said that I am sensitive to the sugars, it was like a light bulb went off. All this time I wonder why I'm still so hungry after a snack, but in reality it is the fruit. Also, dairy sugars do this to me as well, yogurt also makes me feel more hungry.

She suggested having other snacks that have little to no sugar (hummus and carrots, pretzels and peanut butter, cheese..etc)

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