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5/15/14 4:52 P

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i was told to stay away from corn as it was a grain that converted into sugar

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it is a grain but boy do I love corn on the cob.



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5/15/14 1:20 P

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I break my vegetables into two categories....starches and waters. Any 'vegetable' you can make a flour or starch out of, like corn, I put into the starches category and keep them to a minimal and any vegetables that are mostly water, I put them into the waters category and eat them like free food.

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I love corn. On the cob, it needs very little besides some salt and pepper!

One way to get corn flavor in a soup: cut the kernels off the cob while the corn is raw. Cook the cobs in your soup and the stock will acquire that corn taste. Yummm.

Remove the cobs from the soup before serving. Although.... I wonder what they would taste like if they were very well cooked?

Then eat the kernels for fiber - some other time.

Yeah, it's a grain. A nice grain!

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5/14/14 3:37 P

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It's a grain and most often here in the US has been genetically modified, along with so many of our other foods. But man it sure does taste good!

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5/1/14 10:14 P

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I wish! I guess I'm gonna have to change up my vegetable choices for my family and I. :(

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How about a grainy vegetable ?????

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That's an interesting question! Of course corn is a grain... although the form we eat it in seems to be a significant detail. I've thought of it as a vegetable, too -- albeit one that's too starchy and sugary to indulge in very often.

Regardless if you call it a grain, or a vegetable, or just a starch....
it's still one of the top two GMO products in our food stream (the other being soybeans).

Guess I don't need to go there!

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Corn is a grain!

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I have always thought of it as a vegetable, but I see that it is a grain.

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I also believe it is considered a grain. I know I use corn flour in our house and to me anything that can be made into flour must be a grain. with that being said, I LOVE fresh corn on the cob and would never eliminate it from my diet. I just calculate it better :)

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Corn is a starch and it's also a grain. I don't eat that much corn in my diet. I lean towards fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds and organic chicken. I find that corn makes me gain weight.

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idk... jmo but I count it as a starch. If I'm serving corn at dinner, I usually do not serve bread or pasta or potato or rice with it. Same thing with peas. So my plate would look like... 1/4 plate slab of meat, 1/4 plate corn, 1/2 plate low-starch vegetables like salad, green beans, broccoli, etc. When I'm counting vegetable servings (for myself) I count corn with the grains and the green beans etc with the vegetables.

For me... it's too easy to get hung up on the botanical classifications of things, as opposed to a more culinary type classification of things. Tomatoes are botanically a fruit. But for eating... most people consider them a vegetable. When I'm considering what I eat, I think of the culinary type classifications, not where they fall within botanical classifications. (Whether it's the "seed" of the plant or the "fruit" of the plant or the "root" of the plant or the "flower" of the plant.) Within a culinary type classification, corn is a starch.

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I consider it a starchy vegetable. For dinner I usually have protein, starch and vegetable. If I am having corn I count that as my starch. And I add a red or green vegetable. I don't have corn and pasta.

On WW corn and potatoes are not free like other vegetables they can be two points and up

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Technically, corn is a grain, but most people think of it as a vegetable. Just like tomatoes are actually fruit but I think of them as a vegetable because I put them in my salad. IMHO, the classification of the food is minutia and really doesn't matter. The health benefits are more important.

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Renata.. have no fear. I doubt anyone will stop eating corn based on this discussion. people eat what they eat, and whether it is a vegetable, or a grain, they will continue to do so.

People need to remember that we are all different. Many low carbers swear off corn. Personally, I don't have any issues with corn or potatoes on rare occasions. Also, a majority of people don't eat low carb, or anything that would ban corn, so I am guessing the only reason one would care what you labeled corn, would be people using Deal-A Meal, or maybe WW.

I'm guessing that this year I will be at a picnic, and succumb to the temptations of potato salad, and corn on the cob, with butter dripping off of it. While eating the corn, I will probably never stop and think about whether it is a grain or a vegetable. It is just delicious. As a low carber though, corn falls below other vegetables, since they lack some of the nutrients that are in others, like broccoli, so I eat corn less often. This is to get as many nutrients out of the few carbs as I can. A day with corn would be a high carb day, and be added on to my regular foods.

My brother and I have this discussion a lot. Every time I see someone saying the problem is corn, potatoes, eggs, bananas or even bread, I just chuckle. Those are personal choices, and one food doesn't show the entire diet, so it is less about one food being the downfall of humanity, and more about others wanting everyone else to eat the way they do. Corn is a grain, that is bad for some people. For everyone else, it is just another food to eat.

I kind of wonder if some of the people on this thread would eat more corn if it was a vegetable, and less if it was a grain.. or vice versa. After all we need 5 servings of veggies, and 7-11? servings of grain, so it kind of depends if you already are eating 5 servings of veggies. I can picture someone saying " I don't need 6 servings of veggies.. What? Corn is a grain? Give me 3 ears, I'm behind on my grain !! "

Our kitchens have become laboratories, and we no longer eat to satisfy our bodies, but to attain X servings of grains, dairy, veggies, and I find this sad. We have made nutrition into a chore. We either enjoy eating, while doing so poorly, or eat healthier, while taking all the joy out of meals.



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Well it's easy to forget that with corn we're almost talking about two different things. Both ground corn (cornmeal) and corn for eating (sweet corn) are the whole fruit and seed of the corn plant, but they're harvested at different stages of maturation and so they're made up of different things. Again, compare the nutritional information. For the same calories, the sweet corn has much more sugar, significantly less total carbohydrates (starch), and more protein than the cornmeal does. The cornmeal has the nutritional profile of a relatively low-protein whole grain. The sweet corn has that of a ... sweet potato. More or less. It's almost akin to comparing the sweet flesh of the coffee bean to the dried bean itself, if not so extreme. Or the pod of an edible-pod pea plant to the pea.

I happen to like sweet corn a lot, and it bothers me slightly to see people being subtly discouraged from eating it on the grounds that is "just a grain". (which is of course terrible) I'm trying to point out that in terms of nutritional profile, sweet corn is rather unlike what people think of as 'grains' -- wheat bread, cereal, cornmeal, oatmeal, rice, etc. If you can't have or don't want to eat grains (botanically speaking), then corn is not for you, but usually the discussion is more in regards to macros, and in that regard it fits quite nicely as a starchy vegetable and IMO should be thought of as such when planning meals and so on.

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Interesting discussion. Whatever its actual classification, when it comes to my plate I consider it a starch. It has good fiber and I love the taste, but I don't count it as one of my 5-7 servings of fruits and vegetables a day.

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It is a grain. Tomatoes are fruit. We just don't classify them correctly.

In the end, it doesn't matter. If you eat corn, you need to fit it in, and knowing it is a grain doesn't help in any way. Instead of counting grain, vegetable, fruit etc., we should be paying attention to how each affects us, and whether we are attaining our health and fitness goals while consuming them.

Who cares if you labeled the food correctly, and aren't seeing any results on the scale, or while exercising? Will knowing it is a grain change your diet at all?

That was a real question by the way.. I wonder if anyone will stop eating corn now that they know it is a grain, or maybe increase it to get their grains in, like people increased eating ketchup ( from tomatoes { a fruit } ), to get their servings of vegetables. Democrats howled that ketchup wasn't a vegetable, because it wasn't actually a tomato..lol, never getting that if it was a tomato, it STILL wouldn't be a vegetable serving.



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Botanically and chemically (if that makes sense), corn is a grain, but in terms of macros, sweet corn is IMO better classed as a starchy(ish) vegetable. Just about everything classed as a vegetable, including corn, has 2-6 g of sugar per serving; grains have 0-1. Just about everything classed as a vegetable, including sweet corn, has negligible fat content (1 g or less); whole grains have more. Whole grains also have a bit more protein than almost any vegetable, and corn is quite low on the grains totem pole in terms of protein. Per serving, it has about the protein of a sweet potato, while oatmeal is at least half again as much. (I'm not exactly sure what the serving size of oatmeal is.)

Anyway, look up the nutritional data and make up your own mind. Personally I put it in the same mental category as potatoes and the like.

The corn flour made from mature kernels (and everything in turn made from that) is much lower sugar and higher starch than sweet corn, so in that way it's more in line with other grains.

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I'm going to change the vocabulary a bit and suggest that corn is a starch, similar to how potatoes are considered a starch.



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It's kinda funny - I'm the same as CJGodess about corn.

I eat a lot of popcorn as a snack - then it's a grain.

I rarely eat it, like a pile of cooked corn or on the cob, but if I did, then I would count it as a veggie.

It's technically a grain...but I just can't wrap my head around corn on the cob being "grainy", lol.

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I count it as a vegetable if I eat it as a vegetable. Meaning if I'm just heating and serving frozen corn or grilling corn on the cob its a vegetable. If it's ground down into a powder to eat as corn bread or even tortilla chips then its a grain. Another thing to ponder is beer is sometimes made with corn (think Miller), even then I will still count it as a grain. Whenever I eat corn, I try to make sure there is another fruit or veggie served with it. I guess I would say it's your meal plan, I would treat it the way you want to.



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I don't know if there is really an "official" answer for this, but I count it as a grain, not a vegetable (for both me and my kids.)

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No, it is a grain.

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I am asking both for mine and my children's nutrition. I am really trying to aim to eat 5 serving of fruit/vegetables a day, but it seems like corn is always discouraged in meal plans I see, especially regarding foods to avoid, I think for it's sugar/carb content. My kids love corn, and I feel it should be counted as a vegetable for them. I feel like that for my husband and I, too. I guess if I don't serve it with another starchy food, then it will be okay. For some reason, when I do eat it, I feel like I am not really eating a vegetable.

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