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4/14/14 7:40 A

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Even though it isn't a recommended idea ( we are supposed to limit saturated fat ), I find the subject very interesting.

I am a heart patient, so I worry about these things maybe a bit more than some do, so I started by eating low carb, which sounded wrong, and lost lots of weight. What really surprised me the most though was that everything my doctor told me was absolutely wrong. I had tons of energy ( now exercise 60-85 mins a day ), and all my tests improved. I got off my diabetes and cholesterol meds, and my BP dropped to 95/65 while my BP pill was cut to 25% of what I was taking.

Once that happens, you start doubting your doctor, or wondering what else they don't know about. A year ago, I read that upping saturated fats will increase HDL, and so even though this sounded crazy, I decided to try it. A year later my HDL is 46, up from a low of 24 at one time. It had already risen a little from doing low carb for years, but by focusing on upping saturated fat, it has jumped another 10-15 points, and I am hoping to get over 50 in 6 months. My Tchol has increased to 119, but that is good even for a heart patient.

That is what is most disturbing to me. I just want good results, so I don't die, and I understand that till someone else replicates these results in a study that is accepted by peers, this is just personal experience, but I have talked to hundreds, who have all had identical results, which makes sense, since we are all the same. I wouldn't recommend that some start consuming saturated fats of course, but it is a very interesting topic. I don't need to be convinced that saturated fats aren't harmful, or that they may even be beneficial, and I know low carb works for me.. what I would like answered in more detail is why, and what exactly works.

Not all low carb works, and not all saturated fat is good. Maybe it is what the saturated fat is mixed with. Obviously in a doughnut it is bad for us. So if we just repeat the flawed logic of absolutes, like " fat makes you fat ", " consuming fat, raises cholesterol ", then we might say " saturated fat is good/not harmful to you ", but I think that would be just as irresponsible. Clearly if I just eat foods with saturated fats, I can do harm to myself. The idea needs to be studied a lot more, and the difference between saturated fat in eggs and butter, or in doughnuts/Hot Pockets, needs to be clarified.

So saturated fats may be good for us, because of other changes we have made in diet, so we don't mix them with things that make them more harmful. Maybe the other stuff is what is harmful. It is more complicated than saturated fat is good/bad, and while I can criticize the fact that they may have rushed to judgement, I don't plan on doing the same, and giving an absolute based on scant evidence, even after seeing personal results.

You have to admit that if you just tell people that saturated fat isn't harmful, that they will then think doughnuts, or Quarter Pounders are okay. They won't think they can have a veggie omelette cooked in butter.

"We can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them "

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4/13/14 5:09 P

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I appreciate your response Becky & have no problem with your recommendations regarding fat intake. It's a professional recommendation based on common knowledge based on what we know most. Some of the latest research shows very promising we may have been wrong all along regarding our perception of fats and starting to see a lot information telling us saturated fats probably do not harm us.

http://greatist.com/health/saturated-fat-healthy

Back in the1980s, two major reports that came out, identifying dietary fat as the single most important change needed to be made in order to improve diet and health. Idea was to reduce saturated fat, but was too complicated to explain, so instead just reduced their fat content from the diet. What nobody realized when the food industry would substitute vegetable fats for animal fats in such a profound way, they also substitute sugars for fats, and keep the calorie content of the products exactly the same. Back then If you're overweight and living in the United States, and you go to a hospital and see a dietician, almost for sure, you're going to be put on a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. Basically, up until about 1980, the obesity rates in this country were 12 to 14 percent. Somewhere between the early 80's and late '80s, it shoot up to 22-25 percent. Two major changes in the country during that period were introduction of high-fructose corn syrup and pushing low fat diets.

The fat story is really a small disaster in its evolution. We we know today will probably all change again 10-20 years from now. Using common sense regarding saturated fats does not have me concerned about consuming more than the recommended amounts of saturated fat through eggs, real butter, cheese, lean cuts of grass fed meat, fish & wild game. I do avoid foods all processed foods that contain saturated fat for example pizza, excessive fat trim on meat or any found in sweets & other processed foods.



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4/13/14 1:09 P

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While I respect your right as an adult to select the foods you wish; this site follows guidelines that are based on evidence from published, peer-reviewed, research studies. These guidelines are also used by the Heart Association, Diabetes Association, Cancer Institute, etc.

Yes,---the increase in sugar and refined carbohydrate intake is one component of heart disease, diabetes, obesity.

But saturated fat has also been showing to be connected to disease conditions too. There is currently a great deal of research occurring regarding the "different" types of saturated fats and seeing if they react differently in the body. However, until more is known----the recommendation to limit saturated fat to no more than 10% of your total calories is still key. So using butter, beef fat, pork fat, coconut oil in moderation is still important. That is about 17 grams of saturated fat in a 1500 calorie diet.

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4/12/14 10:46 P

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Most of you will disagree thinking I am an idiot. I personally believe saturated animal fats, real butter, cheese, coconut oil, Olive oil extra virgin, are very healthy fats that help promote weight loss, increase body metabolism, does not cause insulin resistance, decrease heart disease and cholesterol. Consuming saturated fats (coconut oil, butter, lard, and meat fat) helps to protect against the damaging effects of polyunsaturated vegetable oils and trans-fats. Saturated fats is our friend, noting to do with our nations health epidemic. Its the sugar, artificial sweeteners, polyunsaturated and trans fats causing most of the problems.

https://www.coconutsecret.com/saturatedfats2.html

Edited by: WEWRTFO at: 4/12/2014 (22:46)

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4/12/14 10:02 P

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Thank you Becky!

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4/12/14 2:58 P

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You will get an amount for saturated fat.
Subtract this from your total fat range, and this is the amount that should come from polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat (when you add these 2 together).

When you look at your fat range:
no more than 1/3 the amount should come from saturated fat;
and the rest (2/3) should come from poly and mono.

Hope this helps
Becky

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4/12/14 11:47 A

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Thanks for the how-to track info, Becky. Now I'm trying to find a suggested daily limit to mono & poly fats in the SP info. So far I haven't found guidelines the minimum/maximum amounts suggested. Can you help with that, please?

Thanks.



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4/12/14 9:01 A

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To add nutrients to your nutrition tracker:

Click above on MY TRACKERS, MY NUTRITION

Scroll down and on the right side of the screen, click the button:
CHANGE NUTRITION GOALS

Select ADD ANOTHER NUTRIENT TO TRACK

Select the nutrients you want, and SAVE

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4/12/14 1:17 A

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Becky...count me in on monitoring healthy & not so healthy fats. Thanks...you're a huge asset to SP & me!

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4/12/14 12:57 A

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Becky, I would like to know how the set up for monitoring types of fat too!

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DIETITIANBECKY's Photo DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,579
4/11/14 3:34 P

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To your nutrition tracker, you can add:
monounsaturated fat
polyunsaturated fat
saturated fat (this is the one to limit below 10% of total calories coming from this source)

This will give you a better picture of your fat intake.

Let me know if you need the steps to add these type fats to your nutrition tracker.

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4/11/14 2:17 P

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I've been wondering this for awhile now because my fats always seem to run a little high and i don't feel like I am eating a lot of bad fats. If someone could answer this it would be greatly appreciated.

Karin

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