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2/24/14 7:18 P

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i know exactly what you mean as many do here also on sparks. I am a terrible carb eater my night time eating until I go to bed is crazy. One of my goals is no carbs after dinner. so I will have frozen fruit as it takes longer to eat, I have a cup of frozen strawberries,I cup of frozen blueberries 1 cup of frozen peaches & my last liter of water that will last me until I go to bed. just started this tonight as I cannot handle my constant eating. I am not a sweet eater it is those carbs that are doing me in.Plus I started back to walking have not walked since last Fall did 1 mile Sat. 3 miles Sunday & today. I feel so calm & full of energy . I pray this does it for me. so this is all new to me with eating the fruit to help myself . Take care keep us posted so we can help you
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Hi there,
I'm glad you came to SP, we're here to help you and to hear you. I think a big thing you could do is to drink water. Sometimes we eat because we're dehydrated, not hungry. I know you're talking about bingeing but water might help. The recommended amount is 8-8 oz. of water a day. I couldn't begin at 8 so at the beginning of January I started with3, did that for 2 weeks, then the third week I drank 5, and then by the end of the month I was able to get up to 8 glasses a day. It does help...Take care
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I am starting today at 340 lbs. It is not how much I eat, but what I eat. Everything that does not require cooking. I try to keep sweets out of the house, because if I want it bad enough to clean the kitchen and make it, i really, really want it. That is my thought, but it does not work, I make it then eat the whole cake, or pie or rice krispie treats. Moderation is not in my vocabulary, I guess, it is either all or nothing. Each night before bed, I have to throw up because of all I have eaten that day. I never feel like my stomach is empty, even when I wake in the morning. So what is a great change of strategy?

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Oh yes, I've had them often. I've struggled with binge eating as long as I can remember, and still have days where it takes a lot of control not to eat everything in sight. Some days are better than others, but since I do well most days I don't get too set back. It's better than having those days everyday for a week or more.

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You said a lot there Andi. I used to take better care of my car than my body. now my body is number one priority until I am at a healthy weight for me. I realized that I take better care of my pets than I do of myself, and that I wouldn't dream of neglecting an animal. So what was I doing treating myself like I used to?
I have used a rapid weightliss method and I am much more mindful about my eating now, I appreciate the flavors and textures of my foods so much now.


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Hi there,
I know what you mean about eating for every other reason other than hunger. The plan you tried years ago and were successful at sounds like what is being called "meaningful or mindful" eating now. I was going to a group for mindful eating. First, we would look at the morsel of food and describe it. Then, we would smell it and see what our bodies were telling us, like were we salivating. Then, we would put the item in our mouth and take very small chews and savor each one. Then, when there just wasn't enough left to do with it, we'd swallow it. This all took a lot of time, a couple of minutes, for say, one raisin or a date. It did help though and now I try to be mindful of what I eat. Another thing, like you said, it is the first few bites that you savor and enjoy and help with the hunger, everything else is just extra and you don't really need. I find it interesting that after all the years have gone by, all is still the same, just like the fashion world!!! Take care and have a good day.
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Years ago, I lost 60 pounds after doing the "Weigh Down Diet by Gwen Shamblin". When I started, I thought I just liked to eat. I found out I was eating for every reason other than true hunger. I kept the weight off for several years eating when I was hungry, and stopping at full. I also so would wait and see what food my body was craving and go for that.

But then a couple of years ago, "life" happened again, and I let myself start eating for reasons other than hungry. I haven't gained all 60 pounds back, but have put on around 30. I'm older now and it just doesn't come off like it once did, then I eat for discouragement, and with the winter we have had this year, I am replacing food for sunshine and just being outside. That "bottomless pit" has taken over.

I went to a health fair Saturday. My blood pressure always runs low and it was high. I have to say it scared me. So right now, I have put my good attitude cap on and hopefully can get back on the right track of eating the way my body was meant to be fueled. How many of us would knowingly put cheap gas in our cars when it gets on empty. If we knew the gas had ingredients in it that would hurt our engine, we wouldn't do it. But we seem to be fine to fuel our bodies with food that will hurt us in the long run. We can always buy another car, but we only have one body and it is up to us to take care of it.

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2/23/14 6:00 P

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I too know about the bottomless pit. I'm back after gaining all my weight back,



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thank you so much to everyone for this informative and honest thread about the different shades of the 'bottless pit' - it's inspired me to reach for some celery with peanut butter and raisins (ants on a log) for my next snack - and to get some 10-min exercise video up.

Most of my 'unsatiable' feelings come from either being very tired, emotional need for comfort, or eating high-carb, low protein. The painful 'bottomless pit' feeling is sometimes, for me, a kind of indigestion.

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I agree with those who posted that the carbs would be a contributor. I think chromium and magnesium might help too. It might be an idea to check it out with a nutritionist.
A bottomless pit isn,t really hunger. If it was hunger it would be satisfied by an apple, or a salad. If you rest in response to this, or have a bath, does it go away?

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Have had one of those colds where my eyes and nose run all the time. Fed up with it, I got my butt up out of bed, took a steamy shower, had a bowl of oatmeal and soy milk and cup of coffee and took the doggie for a walk in the warm sun. Nose and eyes running... I tried, really, really hard.

Walked 5.44 miles. So proud of myself. Came home and had a warm bowl of home made chicken soup that my sweetheart made for me. Then, he came home and offered me a big cup of chocolate pudding with a huge scoop of whipped cream on top. I said noooooo! and then I ate it. I ate so many things after that. An orange, a banana, a piece of cheese, hummus, a packet of Kavli crackers... the whole packet. Oh my! Just finally stopped.

Seems like a tried really, really hard to be good, but hen the bottomless pit hit me like a ton of bricks too. So, in an effort to get back on the right track, I came back to spark people and logged everything in. If I don't eat until tomorrow... I will be OK. All is not lost. Hahahaha.

I should just have quietly pitched the pudding in the garbage when he wasn't looking. I should have said thank you and save it until he left the house which he did, and toss it, but I didn't. I'm weak. I am so weak. I tried to make smart choices while I was losing my mind.

Now I will blow my nose 100 more times and dribble! UGH! I am thankful for so many things.
A sweet man who made chicken soup for me.
A great dog to walk with
The beautiful snow and sunshine today that allowed me to walk in the sun for so long
A healthy body that I promise to take better care of ...
I promise to take better care of this body and next time I crumble at the offer of sweets from my sweetheart I WILL say thank you and privately toss it OUT! I will!! I will...

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2/22/14 9:54 A

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Recently restarted SparkPeople after a 15 pound gain, and this topic hit me like a ton of bricks! Obviously, I have been having many "bottomless pit" days! Thanks for the great suggestions....and the reinforcing idea that there really is a difference in emotional eating and hunger. I had forgotten how important tracking is, and playing around with the nutritional tracker is making me make smarter choices. It helps knowing that I'm not alone in this journey!

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i try to 'look down into the bottomless pit' first before giving into anything. is this a real physical need - such as a glass of apple juice cause you are getting low blood sugar, some protein because you have gone too long without eating something.
or have you just had a horrible experience or bad argument and all of a sudden MUST HAVE cookies, or bread and butter.
once i get myself on the right track - i usually can navigate into a better position. i can make a more informed decision and if that tells me go ahead and have this item, then i do. i am getting much better and not self depricating and feeling guilt, shame etc.
it is what it is and when it is done i move on.
most of the bad stuff is caused by guilt shame and clouded judgment . also bad memory tapes in our heads which are hard to ignore.
everyday will be a battle, but once you have the tools that work for you - it will be much easier on you.




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2/21/14 1:47 P

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Hi there,
What I have found useful when I have a craving, and I have many, I'm tortured by them, is that I eat some of the item I want. If I don't want the cake or cookie or candy or whatever, I will eat everything around until I have only that candy that I wanted in the first place and then I'll eat that. So, in the long run, I still had the "bad" food and ate the rest of the house. Take care.
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2/21/14 10:03 A

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Good morning,
My bottomless pit occurs at night. I am working on getting every form of ill snack food out of my home, peanuts included because I will get up after having gone to bed just to eat a bad snack under the premise that I am hungry. I literally have to tell my that I am not hungry. This is really bad.

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Hi there,
I know it's difficult for you because the weather is bad, and this sounds like an old cliché, but just put one foot in front of the other and do something. Just a little something, like walking a hallway if you have one, or walking up and down your stairs. Sometimes, just a little bit of exercise can make a world of difference. Take care.
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I am having one of those days when I could anything. Weather bad outside, can't go outside, so will just TRY to suffer thru this day!!

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Hi everyone,
I have had a horrible cold since Valentine's Day, the type that makes you stay on the couch or in bed with itchy throat, coughing, earaches, etc. and I've been using cough drops non-stop. Then, without a thought I turned the package over to see what the caloric intake was and I was downing 15 calories per drop. Now, that might not seem a lot if you take one drop, but I was so sore that I was virtually taking at least 100 calories a day. That all adds up when you're on a 1,200 calorie a day program! By the way, I still have the cold and the cough, a whole week later! Have a good day everyone.
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I've noticed two issues with this. One, I have times that if I eat carbs after about 5 o'clock at night I'll eat anything that isn't tied down. Therefore I typically try to make sure that I have salads and other veggies for dinner, and then I'm ok. The other thing I've noticed is that if I do have a carb in the evening especially something sweet, I have to follow it up with something salty or spicy, and then I'm good. If I eat the combination the other way around (finishing with the sweet), I'm in trouble. Typically I just stay away from it so I don't have trouble.

Sometimes I can get away with just drinking a glass of water or herbal tea and the craving will go away. Other times brushing my teeth will solve the problem (oddly enough). I say do whatever it takes to make it through, no matter how weird...to each his own!

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I notice I am hungrier on the days that i don't exercise. So, if I am running every other day, the days that I don't run I am really hungry. Then if I skip more than one day, I get the munchies. Weird.

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For now I have a very unique way of avoiding the bottomless pit problem. I had knee surgery two weeks ago I am doing fine but stairs still give me problems. I can go up the stairs but going down is the problem, I go upstairs to quilt but I need help to get back down. I don't want to keep calling my hubby so I just stay upstairs and keep working even if the frig is calling my name. I am a believer, if you can get your mind off of food and focus on something you enjoy the cravings "most of the time disappear". I remember when I belonged to WW they always said to set the timer on your stove for 5 minutes if you still crave it eat a small amount of what you crave. Most of the time you will forget about it because you moved on to something else.



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I've had those days and what I've decided for me is that I need something that's satisfying, provides satiation, usually something with some fat in it. Preferably good fat of course. Peanut butter on a mini whole wheat bagel and/ or a glass of 1% milk will usually make my tummy finally sigh with relief and be happy.

I typically have a couple scrambled eggs and a mini whole wheat bagel for breakfast on Saturdays. I'd feel full, but like I still needed something. The eggs also gave me just the slightest queasy feeling. I started adding just a couple drops of olive oil to my eggs about a month ago, and now I'm completely satisfied for hours. I've started adding it to my smoothies too.

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I felt like a bottomless pit today!! I exerted more energy this morning (more than usual) and felt like I was starving by 12:30pm....It led to over eating--- guess I'll have to have a midmorning snack in addition to having a breakfast.

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The bottomless pit phase, to me, is often hormonal.

I recommend reading about Ghrelin (the hunger hormone is what they call it.)

Lack of sleep causes it to increase. emoticon

Too low calories for too long emoticon or losing weight too quickly emoticon causes it to increase. (Dr Oz says that the levels increase when you have lost 10 of your body weight, which is why people often gain the weight back, plus some.) emoticon

Lack of Vitamin D causes it to increase (and Winter is when most people don't get enough sunlight) emoticon

One thing that helps is making sure your magnesium levels are at proper levels. emoticon
Magnesium helps the brain's sensitivity to leptin, which shuts the hunger hormone off. emoticon

Some dietary things to add in: adding in non-caloric fiber reduced ghrelin levels (I just added a spoonful to my water emoticon )

And eating good carbs (versus bad carbs) and foods that are high protein helps ghrelin levels. emoticon emoticon

I needed to add that vigorous aerobic exercise and resistance training can help suppress appetite (and ghrelin.) emoticon

I found a few more:

Eating sugar emoticon , eating saturated fat emoticon and being dehydrated emoticon increase the hunger hormone emoticon and we don't want that.

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I just wanted to say something that may be of comfort, although it dosen't tell you how to deal with the "bottomless pit" feeling! I read an article by a scientist who said that to want to gorge is normal! (We all feel so abnormal when we do it!) But he said that early humans couldn't always expect to find food, so that when they did find it, they ate as much as possible so that they could survive until they found more. It helps me just to think that I am not abnormal for wanting to binge...that it is a survival mechanism that is built into our genetics...one that we don't need any more, like our appendix! BUt if we give in to that genetic urge, we can remember that tomorrow is another day & start all over again! Good luck!

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OMG I am just now back on SP after a few years (!) hiatus. I tracked my calories today and wow! 3100+! I don't even feel full. So yes, I do sometimes feel like a bottomless pit. It's going to be quite the journey to get my diet back on track. Best wishes to you!

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I've been doing that too--I usually have very strong chocolate cravings. Instead of a cookie or chocolate bar, i drink chocolate milk or put a tsp of chocolate sauce on some toast and peanut butter. I fill the craving, but in a way that is more healthy and sustainable.

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Hi there,
What are the names of the other groups here that deal with emo eating? I figure I can use all the help I can get.
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Great ideas and motivators from a group of inspiring people! Thank you all for your comments. I too feel as though I just cannot ever get enough sometimes even though enough is enough is enough! I know that I cannot and should not eat anymore but I keep shoveling whatever I can find in. I know it and yet I cannot stop. I am slowly killing myself here and have to find a way to end it once and for all.

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Chez, I agree..sometimes it is overtired, when I get so obsessed with food, I shower and go to bed. All EMO eaters are in the same host, with very different triggers. Join us in the emotional Eaters Teams. Learning to identify your triggers is the beginning off your control. God bless and good luck!!!

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Thanks for the encouragement. Talk to you later.
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emoticon emoticon emoticon Good luck with your efforts, see you at the finish line LOL

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Hi there,
Thanks for responding to my plight! Love the tattoo by the way! I have heard that some times it's not that we're hungry that we eat, that it could be we're dehydrated, so I make sure I get all of my water in for the day, sometimes that helps, sometimes not. I do try not to buy things that aren't good for me, but just this morning, I ate a beef bouillon cube because I was craving salt, and I HAVE to have them in the pantry for cooking. On the other hand, some times I don't crave salt at all, I don't crave anything at all, and I consider those the good days. Right now I'm stuck in the mid-90's, and I was 191, so close to going under, then the binge got me and I'm a mess. I will try visualization and see what that does for me, thank you. Take care and have a good day.
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Just in general, I read the book Thinning from the inside out and one of the things she mentions in there is that if you are craving carbs or sweets at night it is probably because your tired, so just go to bed. Sometimes we think we are hungry but it is actually something else entirely, like tired, or sad etc.

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Hello FOUNDER3 Have you tried 5-HTP for your SAD. You can find it in the health food store and it helps with carb cravings caused by low Vit D and low seratonin

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Hi CHEZCAT56 I feel your pain! What I do is imagine the food that I crave being covered in something icky that I don't like and that helps me avoid things, I also have equated high sugar foods with pain ( I have fibromyalgia) so if I think a food is going to aggravate my symptoms it is easy to avoid. It is all a mind trick

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Hi everyone,
I'm new to this group but not new to Spark People. I am however, an emotional eater and a binge eater and I have what seems to be constant cravings! I try all of the tricks, drink water, eat fruits and veggies, exercise, but if hubby has a bag of chips, then I want one and will have one (small one). This will knock my weight loss on it's butt for the next day and then I'm depressed on the number on the scale. But, I then vow not to get depressed about it, but I do. I figured if I was in this group I could be with like minded people and get some help. Take care everybody.
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I like to eat a lot of food from big bowls and large plates, so I make salads. Lots of food and little calories.



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I have a lot of trouble at this time of year because I suffer from SAD.

I am doing some better because I have been riding my stationary bike, and that helps to control the munchies.

Right now my knees are bothering me, so not riding the bike. Am feeling better today so going to get back on my bike tomorrow. That will help, I know.

I am "thinking spring". I know I will be much better then.

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Tons of great thoughts here.
I'm pretty much committed to the "Calories in - calories out" philosophy. It has always worked for me. Trying to eat whole foods as much as possible. Rarely truly hungry.
Think I'll hop on my exercise bike for ten minutes.

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I have come to realize that I too have a bottomless pit.
I rarely feel full. when I over eat my collar bone hurts crazy bad, that makes it encouraging to not over eat.
I call it grazing when I am constantly roaming back to the fridge....
I keep a bottle of filtered water on the counter next to my water glass, or for the hot drink day a fresh teabag in my hot cup next to the teapot.
When I open the fridge I check the clock as if I am deciding to pull stuff out for dinner prep. Direct my thinking to later and off of the present grazing mode, then move over to the water/tea.
I also have on the counter healthy easy pop choices which include;
crystalized ginger root, dates, dried plums, dried apricots, almonds. and such. Be careful, these are potentially diet wreckers. If you eat a high nutrient snack tho, like a salty almond, it may help deter you from those chips.
When I have a craving, like crunchy chips, I plan to buy it at a particular time, and then I buy a size bag that I will eat the entire contents, 1 ounce or 12, a bag is a bag, so consider what you have budgeted in terms of input and output.
Hope this helps.
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Oh, there are days when it's ongoing...never seeming to get full or satisfied. Trying to reach for fruits or veggies but that bag of Lays chips is calling my name. So be done with that day and get back on track is what I try to do.

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So many good remarks to this discussion! It has always been a mystery to me how some days I am satisfied with my food plan and strong in my choices; and other days I want to eat anything that doesn't move! I suspect there is much truth to all of our experiences and theories. I also want to add that sometimes it's less about the food itself, and more about "what's eating me". emoticon I am not always in touch with my every thought or feeling, and sometimes that bottomless pit is a clue that I am not dealing with some issue in my life. I learned very early to use food to cope with feelings of fear, unhappiness and stress. It numbs the feelings for a little while, but not very effectively! Therefore the problem is still there and so is the hunger. Journaling sometimes helps me to get at the hidden feelings, and most of all; I need to accept that I am doing the best that I can at that moment, so don't be so hard on myself! As they say, "this too shall pass." emoticon

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I'm having a bottomless pit day today emoticon I like what someone else said about it being a because my body is about to lose weight and doesn't want to. Either way I'm at work and I'm NOT going to eat until dinner tonight no matter what my body says. In fact after I finish typing this I'm going to get up from my desk and take a 20 minute walk emoticon and I'm going to emoticon those cravings right in the butt!



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I too have days like these, and I have read sometimes that cravings can be caused by a deficiency in some vitamin or mineral so finding out what foods you crave and what vitamins they contain may be a good way to curb those cravings. just a thought!



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Good point Mommyme!

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I find I am like this when I don't take my vitamins. Bottomless Pit syndrome has always been one of the biggest challenges to my weight loss... I'm simply hungry and cravey. My willpower is very low when I am like that. The thing I have found different this time around is that when I take my prenatal vitamins I feel MUCH better; it may take a day or two but it pretty much eliminates that. I also noticed that when I slacked off from taking them I went right back to eating too much; I didn't notice it until a few days later when I realized what had changed. Back on the vitamins, back to normal again. So I think it's hard when you are on a low calorie diet to get all the nutrients you need (and I eat pretty healthily, all made from scratch, lots of veggies and proteins, etc...)... the vitamins really help me to stop those feelings.

The only other thing that can cause the craving is avoiding binge junk food. Many times that can trigger it as well; particularly sugars. After 4 babies... gaining during pregnancy, using spark to lose it; I feel like I am finally de-trained of that. I just feel horrible when I don't eat well or eat a lot of processed foods. So after 5 years I think I finally learned my lesson on that one.



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Well said TREADIN4BSP! Thanks for the inspiration!!
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TREAD

I am glad to hear someone else saying what I have been thinking for a long time. I also feel that my body does not want to let go of the weight, and does sabotage me.

I know that a lot of it is in my mind, but I totally think there is a physical component.

Thanks for sharing that, sometimes I think I am just looking for an excuse, and you have made me realize that I am not alone in this.

I have had a weight problem for over 50 years. I know a lot of the issues lie in my self esteem. I just don't think that is all there is.

The last 3 years I have had major physical issues. In Oct 2011, I had a 4 level fusion in my lumbar region following about 30 years of back issues.

In August this year, I had a total knee replacement of the left knee, and in Oct, I had the right knee done as well.

I have done very well, but I am still in pain and have limitations on what I can do yet. They tell me it will be a full year before they are completely healed. I have worked very hard at my therapy, and exercise, but I cannot just force my body to heal faster than it will.

It is so interesting to consider all of the components of WHY I have a huge weight issue.

I think sharing on this thread is beginning to help me to feel less out of control.

The thing that is most important for me, is that during all of the pain and surgeries, I have kept up with my teams on Spark People, even when I was having real trouble with food, and was gaining weight.

I have lost most of the weight I had gained and am almost down to the lowest weight I have been in years, 263.

I am now having issues with food now that I am almost to my original loss on Spark People of 70 pounds.

There is so much to learn about eating and attitudes.

Thanks to all for sharing.

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On those days when what normally satisfies me doesn't and my stomach is growling despite having just eaten a healthy meal....I tell myself that my body is craving xyz because it is telling me it is about to lose weight and doesn't want to. I convince myself it just means I am breaking through a set point of some kind. Some times I am right and my next weigh in is a good one, and sometimes I am wrong. But, either way...it is my choice whether or not I want to do what it takes to lose weight or eat something that will delay my ability to lose weight.

short and mid-term goal:
stay consistent and keep losing weight.
long-term goal:
feel better about myself and not have weight be something I think about on a daily basis.


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Have been having a really hard time for about two weeks. I am pretty sure that it is because I am not getting enough sunlight. I do find that exercise helps with the lack of sun, but it can only do so much. We did have a lot of sun today, so hoping that tomorrow will be better.

I am so sick and tired of looking at snow that I would really like to scream. HUMM, maybe I will just do that! LOL

Good luck to all of us. I only know one thing, if I continue to be on Spark People, this too shall pass!

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I have this problem to... well I'm getting better. I find that if I can stop it before it starts I can control it better. The hardest part is fighting off the urge to eat the entire pantry all at once. Also, I have found that different types of cravings have to be handled differently. For example I have a really bad sweet tooth and two years ago when I was trying to give up soda the candy and sugar cravings were far worse then they are now. Back then I would buy a bag (initially 2 bags) of grapes and wash them, dry them, then take them all off the stems and place them in a bowl so they were the very first thing in my fridge. When I had a sugar craving (since I had other people living with me and couldn't get all the candy/ sugar out of the house) I would reach for a handful or two (or at times the entire bowl) of grapes. It sounds bad and the calories do add up but I didn't count them. For me I allowed myself to have as many as I needed because, in my mind, it was a better option, than two bags of Halloween candy (which I could have easily downed in the same amount of time). By the end of a few months I only needed a bag of grapes every other week or so and now I only buy grapes once every 6 months or so (if at all). Carb cravings are much harder for me to control and to this day I can't fight those without help. I physically have to leave my house. Thankfully my husband, although he doesn't understand my want to lose weight, he understands my need for him to help me make better/ healthier choices so when he is around and I am having one of my wants to binge/ cravings for carbs I can look at him and say "I need your help. What I want is to go and raid a bread factory and eat a month supply worth of bread and chips, At this exact moment I could care less about all the hard work I have done for the last x amount of months, I realize I will regret this but all my energy it being spent telling you this and not going into our pantry and eating the last of thex,y,z... I know what I need is a healthier option...suggestions before I turn our house upside down?" granted when he isn't home and I go through this it is much harder and it turns into me pacing back and forth arguing with myself about how what I want isn't what I need, and eventually I grab a bottle of water and either go out side or if the weather is not pleasant I go into the back office where there are only books to distract me and I basically hid from my temptations until I drink my entire 32 ounce water bottle or I feel 100% in control and the cravings have passed. It seems silly and it could be the worst way to deal with thing but it is the only method that works for me.
Hint: I have only made it through my entire water bottle once and by that time it was dinner time and I already had a meal planned out so I just stuck with the plan and made it to the other side all in one piece.
Having healthier options like salads and veggies and maybe eating more proteins might help you as well but avoiding the start of the binge might be a good way to go. I find that after a year of trying to walk away from most binges (it's honestly a lot harder to spot them coming than one would think and I was usually done before I realized it had started) the more you practice walking way from them, the easier it is, when you do give in to some, to pull yourself out and or set limits.
I wish you the best of luck with any and all of the methods that you try. It is hard and always frustrating to have these types of cravings (mine always seem to happen 1-2 days before my next weigh in which makes them that much more difficult to fight off and, when they are not fought off, that much more frustrating/ depressing)



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I sure have had those "bottomless pit" days. Sometimes stress triggers it. Also, I too find wine (or any alcohol really) causes the carbohydrate binges for a while. I like the idea of big bags of veggi's. I try eating asparagus or broccoli to "fill" me up. I make my own yogurt from full fat farm milk, and it's very good and filling. I don't use any sweeteners or flavorings, so I find that it satisfies me without causing carb cravings. If all you have in the house is "healthy" food I think you are doing great, even if you overeat with it occasionally.

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Guilty, I do not like eating all the time but at times, I cannot seem to get enough and I wonder what pit it is falling into.

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During PMS and that special time? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my yes....almonds and raisins get sucked down quickly!!!



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For me a lot depends on the quality of my nutrition; some foods/beverages are almost instant triggers of 'Bottomless Pit Syndrome.'

I don't drink very often - a glass of wine a couple of times a year or so - partly because I've noticed that alcohol one day causes at last a day or two of carb cravings. For me it's not worth the very transient enjoyment of a glass of wine to slog through the morass of cravings that follow.

PS - I, too, find herbal tea (especially peppermint) helpful. I think the warmth, plus flavor, plus the psychological association with relaxation combine to help me get a grip and slow down and step back from food. A few deep breaths help top it off.

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I do, and I try on those days to eat things that are filling but low in cals, like a great big spinach salad or Orville R. Smart Pop popcorn, etc. Also drinking lots of water helps our stomachs feel full.

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LEKESHIA35,

How long since you started? How much exercise are you doing?

I had a bad night on Friday where I just couldn't feel full and blew my calories for the day by over 1000. I had exercised the night before and that morning and that may have contributed...

Maybe buy big bags of frozen vegtables (Like Normandy blend from Costco or Sam's club) and eat away when you are really hungry....not a lot of calories and not too expensive.

Maybe try eating something and then go for a walk (if it is not too cold outside) and see if the hunger subsides...

Feel free to hit me up if you are in crisis mode:-)



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can anyone help me. right now im doing good but there are times when i eat evert thing insite i buy all the healthy food but i will sit there and eat them all the food up until it is gone. the sad thing is it can be two or three day worth of food. i need help and i am ready for the change.

i gotta stick with my goal. i can see my way through this this and i will succeed.


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Something I like to eat if I'm craving sweets that takes a while to eat is frozen fruit--something bite-sized, like raspberries, blueberries, or pineapple tidbits. You have to eat it slow and the calories are pretty tame! Plus it's good for you!

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i have those moments but then get myseld raw vveggies or something hat will force my to chew. my dh sometimes eats so fast he makes himself gag. so i try to eat foods that need to be cooked or that i have to chew slowly. i also try to make myself do other tasks so i distract myself.

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Go to your spark page and edit with weight goal and choose a food or weight tracker. Or you can go to the site guide and you can start there.

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When I first started the healthy lifestyle journey, my body was missing the FULL feeling. I made a promise to myself that I could always have a big salad (love them) with no guilt so I could feel full. The calories really weren't a biggie. It can take a while to get used to eating smaller portions but you do get used to it in time.



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How do I get a starting scale so I can keep track of my weight

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I have had the munchies all day now - and just reminded myself that sometimes hunger really isn't hunger.

Sometimes "hunger" is really tummy upset and a rolaids-tums-zantac might just do the trick.

I took a Zantac and forgot I had the munchies.

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Good suggestions all. You have given me "food for thought". Ok, I am a bit corny, can't help it.

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I try items that require slower eating, it really helps me slow down and stop inhaling too much food.
1. A bowl of hot soup
2. A salad
3. For sweet items, a fruit popsicle or hard candies




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I try to find a healthier snack, I like 3 sweet gherkins pickles. I've also noticed how much exercising helps get rid of the cravings.



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Excellent tips!

If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves. –Thomas Edison

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That is truly a great question! I liked all the responses and plan to use a few of the great ideas posted!

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I have PMDD which is basically "PMS from hell that lasts 2 weeks" and during that time I am a bottomless pit and never feel full or satisified. Eating a ton of lean protein(grilled chicken, fish) and cutting out most any kind of carbs that arent' from fruits or vegetables is the only thing that helps me, even though that does not cure it. I am currently researching and working with my doctor to figure out the best treatment for PMDD.

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I see so much really great advice here. I'll just add a little. Sometimes what interrupts the craving is novelty. I might try making some exotic, labor intensive snack like fire grilled red pepper strips or roasted turnip cubes. Something I've never tried before! Or I might begin a new project for a future snack...start to sprout some wheat berries.

Try planning all your meals for the next few days. Rummage through your freezer and pantry for those lost items you've been meaning to try. Get out the crockpot!

My brain is like a toddler. Distraction works wonders.

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I find myself wanting to snack in the late evenings. I am a caregiver and I keep odd schedules... It is hard to come home from midnight on a 12 hour shift without eating at least two snacks. I will usually try to have a healthy snack, but since my job is stressful (and sometimes demanding) it is nice to come home and get into my happy place from carbs! Pasta screams my name, and the potatoes make fun of my resistance... Don't even get me started on the French bread with a little butter. Sometimes it is so hard... I am wanting to make a whole meal. I feel bottomless sometimes...

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I spotted this topic, and came here to see what others were saying about it.

I am having a very difficult time right now. All of the snow and below zero weather is keeping me in the house way too much.

I am being especially careful about walking outside in the slippery weather. I had my left knee totally replaced in August, and my right knee replaced in Oct, so a fall would be very frightening for me. I had gained weight before the surgeries from so much pain, and have lost that weight since the surgeries, and have been eating very well.

Now, I am finding myself in that "Catch 22", of taking better care of myself by eating in a healthy way, and just wanting to throw caution to the wind, and eat whatever.

I know this will pass. It is over for today, so I am concentrating on tomorrow becoming today. Then, today will be the one day at a time that I can live.

Maybe I better go to bed right now!

Best of luck to all of us, "One day at a time".


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Every body is definitely different. I can't sustain life on low carb (I get grouchy, exhausted and miserable). I'm losing fine without counting a thing and just concentrating on eating minimally processed or unprocessed food and fitting activity into my day to day life. Then again I'm pretty sure I gained solely because of emotional eating. I don't feel I have the food triggers others have mentioned. I don't have real cravings (beyond the thought that something might be nice which definitely passes and usually involves cheese which my system tolerates again after fifteen years of having issues with it). In fact I find eating rather boring unless I have something specific in mind (like the aforementioned cheese or sushi) or something wonderful finds its way onto my plate (like Brussels sprouts with a little fresh Parmesan or bacon from pasture raised pigs). I eat to live in general (vs living to eat, I live to read books, talk with my hubby and play with my cats).


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I have to agree that one way of eating for every person is not practical. Personally I have found that when I am ravaged by hunger it is something I have let get out of balance. I do eat lower carb and higher fat, however if I restrict calories too low I get ravaged by hunger. I also get the same if I keep my net carbs too low. It is hunger not cravings. In those cases some berries help a lot. Someone else may have totally different experiences on levels of fat, protein and fat.

The best advice I can give anyone is to use your tracker to its best ability. Learn from the 'experts' but listen to your body when you are formulating an eating plan. If you use the tracker and compare it to your hunger I can guarantee your body will never tell you it needs Twinkies or wonder bread (no that is not a comment against all bread just the overly processed crappy white bread so many people live on)

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This discussion between Renata and Russell is really interesting . . . and I see solid points on both sides. Although I'm no scientist, and I tend to think common sense isn't always as solid as we might like to think (or perhaps a lot of us just don't exercise common sense regularly!).

I think Russell raises a good point, if I understand him correctly, that someone can be eating plenty of calories (too plentiful even) but still be hungry if that food is poor quality and doesn't actually nourish the body with what it truly needs.

However I have to agree with a lot of Renata's points as well. We are biologically designed to maintain homeostasis - the body (or maybe more accurately, the brain) resists change, even positive change. There was a time in human history that humans naturally adapted to feast/famine cycles and perhaps would not have experienced the "hunger in question" but we seem to have lost touch with that, even if our Modern American Diet is only 40 years old (I think it's been a longer and more gradual process, but either way, here we are).

Throw hormones in there, including stress- and sleep-related hormones, and clearly this is a very complicated system at work. Keep in mind, especially for women, hormones fluctuate throughout the month, not just at "TOM" and for both men and women, there are hormonal shifts throughout each day.

I don't think there's a perfect solution for everyone, but there are certainly some things that will hold true no matter how you choose to eat. If your body is missing something (protein/fiber/fat/nutrients) there will be repercussions. Hunger is only one of those. I think there IS a "normal" hunger, that is linked to the naturally cyclical functioning of the human body, but they are often muddled or misconstrued.



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For me, stress eating isn't what gave me that 'bottomless pit' feeling, but a lack of an 'I'm full
signal. My siblings and I all have it. We've had to train ourselves to stop eating.

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I try to make sure that if I am really craving something- that I have it. At least a small piece. If I have a substandard substitution, then I just wind of finding myself wanting it even more...and unsatisfied with what I DID have- and then I eat both. Which ends up being more calories in the end.

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I fell back into the pit when my husband was rushed to the emergency room and had a hospital stay afterwards. He is home and fine now. The problem was that because haven't gained control of stress eating, I ate and ate and ate. Fortunately for my husband and for me, he didn't stay in the hospital for more than two days. I didn't gain back all the 33 lbs. that I have lost over the past few months, but I did dent my progress. Note that I didn't say it stopped my progress. One thing that I have learned while sparking is that a set back is just that, it doesn't stop anything. Before I would have just thrown in the towel and cried about messing up. Now, I will not look back. I will get back into my routine and continue toward my goal.

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I am a stress eater too it is something I hope to control someday

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right now I am starting off really strong with my weight loss plan but I am worried that when the craving start that is when I will feel. Because I always start off strong and then the minute something happens I start eating like a pig. it like li have no self control. I am ready for a change

i gotta stick with my goal. i can see my way through this this and i will succeed.


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Renata - The problem I believe is that you think that eating low carb, and never being hungry is not normal, but that eating the diet we do now, which has resulted in huge increases in disease, and is just 40 years old, is normal, despite the fact that everyone is starving on it. Not just those who are overweight, but even people maintaining a healthy weight. All I ever hear about is how they are hungry, or just smelling some food makes them hungry.

Why would we expect to be hungry all the time? Wouldn't it make more sense that if we ate enough food, and the proper kind, that we wouldn't be hungry at all? Your idea of a " hormonal trick ", or " ketosis voodoo ", might be the way we were intended to eat.

It seems amusing that you are "honestly baffled " that someone wouldn't experience hunger. I have to admit that I am also honestly baffled as to why that would be expected for you. I like not being hungry, and would think that it would be the goal of every person.

Why couldn't not being hungry be our default? Makes sense to me. Most of the people we are talking about do not work out excessively, or cut calories so low they are starving. They eat a "normal" diet, or overeat, and work out modestly. These people should not be experiencing hunger. The lack of hunger doesn't mean that you are overeating. In fact the title " bottomless pit " makes me tend to believe that the OP was actually overeating, and experiencing hunger, not the other way around.

I know it isn't true, but it almost sounds like people want being hungry to be " normal ", and I just can't fathom why. If it is impossible to not be hungry, then we are always going to be hungry, which is a nightmare scenario. If you aren't hungry, you just eat at set times, and exactly what you planned on your tracker. Isn't that the goal? Why choose a diet that makes it harder?

I agree that we probably won't agree on this, and thanks for not taking my response negatively. Sometimes I find that people get upset when I ask a question of what they posted, but I do like to understand where they are coming from. I also respect your point of view, and a lot of the time we agree on most things. Hopefully you don't get too hungry, and I'll try to remember to eat.. emoticon

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Sometimes I fall into this trap as well. It's usually nighttime when I'm tired from work and haven't figured out my meal choices for the day OR weekends, again most frequently when I haven't planned out my meals for the day. I don't have "unhealthy" food in the house, but it is also possible to overindulge in oatmeal when one is counting calories in/calories out!

I like the suggestion to test out the food on the nutrition tracker before swallowing! I know for me that one indulgence usually begets another indulgence.
For me - I think the secret is getting out of the kitchen/family room - where relaxing and eating go hand in hand - and changing my venue and activity so I'm not so tempted. emoticon

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I'm not talking about cravings. (Although even those are not always evidence of a serious problem -- just look at pregnancy, for instance. Unless you think pregnancy is pathological.)

On hunger we'll just have to disagree then, I guess. I think you're wrong and nothing you're saying is going to change my mind. Maybe your body doesn't try to adjust (in terms of hormonal triggers) so as to take in as many calories as it is burning, but mine surely does, and I have trouble believing that that would not be the norm. Evolutionarily and physiologically, hunger is what keeps you from eating too little when calories get low or calorie burn gets high. It is possible to trick hunger to a small extent; this is how people can work themselves into a state of eating 4000 calories a day and still wanting more; and this is how people can make it by long-term on a typical calorie-deficit diet and not want to chew their own arm off most of the time. But there are limits.

I'm honestly baffled how you can argue that never experiencing hunger can ever be a default normal. That's how I was when I was overweight. I was almost never hungry, because I was constantly eating! Being hungry for meals is how life should be; its opposite to me is a sign of eating too much. And I think I have science and common sense on my side here. Hunger is the hormonal trigger to eat; without it, any animal without an over-riding intelligence to say otherwise will quickly die. People get sick, what happens? They stop being hungry. People start starving themselves, what happens? They stop being hungry. Lack of hunger to the point of weight loss (or while losing lots of weight) is normally a sign of something really bad going on.

Now maybe going low-carb does some ketosis voodoo I don't understand that lets you be never ever even slightly hungry without hurting yourself -- since I respect you that you are not lying to me I have to assume that's the case -- but it's not the normal state of being for the human animal. It's a hormonal trick.

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Cravings are a sign that something is seriously wrong with your diet. You need to find out what it is."

Renata - I will admit that I do not have TOM problem, so can't verify any cravings/hunger associated with that, so I will let that one go, and let others address that.

As far as increased exercise, it would have to be a serious increase, and be longer than a temporary increase. If I go play basketball today and burn an extra 600 calories, I don't feel any cravings, or require any more calories to avoid that feeling. I just eat what I have planned.

The idea that cravings/hunger are a natural part of life seems to be one that others want to preserve. Sure, if we cut calories severely, we will eventually experience hunger, but if I cut my calories to 1000 for a week, I won't experience hunger. Our bodies are meant to experience feast and famine. So a week with so few calories, allows us to burn our body fat. While doing this, I am not missing those calories, but using the ones on my body, which is why I don't experience hunger. On the opposite end of the spectrum is the " bottomless pit " syndrome, which I have also experienced. These people might be eating 4000 calories, and still be hungry, so it isn't starvation that is causing it. If someone was experiencing hunger after eating nothing for 2-3 days, then they would start eating food, but they would normally start to feel full quite soon, and not continue to eat well past what is needed to make themselves full.

So except in a few rare instances where we find ourselves in a mode of starvation, we should never experience hunger, and diet has an effect on whether we do or not. I can eat 1000 calories a day for a month, and not experience hunger, or 3000 calories a day for the same amount of time, and be starving, and struggling to not eat 4000. The difference is in the type of food I eat. I am not unique in this, and if people actually stopped trying to come up with special reasons why they experience hunger/cravings, and paid attention to what they eat, when they get these cravings, they could get rid of them.

Most of us eat enough calories, and do not do so much extra exercise that we would need extra calories. So while you think they are valid reasons to feel hunger/cravings, I just want to state that I reject that idea, and stand by my original post. I feel that if I left your response uncontested, that it might seem like you made some slight corrections to my way of thinking, and the conversation had moved forward, after being clarified.

I don't want the OP or anyone reading this to think that, and think that there are some cases where they will feel hunger a lot of the time. I think that if you experience hunger, and aren't starving yourself, or doing extremely excessive exercise, you should look at your diet, since that shouldn't happen.


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I often feel as if I'm starving ... which is not the case at all .... but for the most part, I go ahead and eat. I try to analyze if it's really physical or mental and adjust from there but fail more than I succeed.

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Reading the book 'Brain over Binge' gave me good insights.




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