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Common theme: Save your time and money. He's peddling expensive snake oil. What does work is making wise food choices, a bit of exercise, and dedication. There are no magic cures to shedding pounds.



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3/28/14 1:58 P

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Common theme: Save your time and money. He's peddling expensive snake oil. What does work is making wise food choices, a bit of exercise, and dedication. There are no magic cures to shedding pounds.



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3/28/14 12:17 P

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I used to believe in Dr. Oz as I am a big Oprah fan, but once he tried to sell people on Raspberry Keytones, I lost full respect for him. I wouldn`t listen to anything he says.



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Soooo at work here, our Wellness Committee (don't ask) has decided to Encourage A Healthy Work Environment by posting "healthy living" information all over the place - monthly newsletter, "Healthy" faq sheets on assorted issues on the lunch room bulletin board... and.... for the last two weeks.... a DAILY link to droz website. Today it is to some quiz to assess your allergy risk. The other day it was "Determine if you have OCD" and the day before... oh. I forget.

It's driving me CRAZY. Of ALL the sites to bow down to and share "healthy living" tips from - they had to pick the greed-driven wizard of Oz?!!!

I don't know how to approach this subject and tell them to knock it the heck off, without offending the one who so selflessly spends moments of each working day bringing Health into my life (/sarcasm).

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3/28/14 10:54 A

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lol....yeah. I'm sorry, but when I see people espousing his show...I literally get a mental image of a sheep being led to the slaughter.

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3/27/14 11:13 P

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I haven't watched the show for a long time but have to agree with most of the other posts on the message board. It's too bad he reaches such large audiences and many people take his word as gospel rather than really looking at the topic.



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I like Dr. Oz show and not everything he speaks of is for everyone but his show is very educational, so why downgrade him so hard. We have the option of using what he suggest or not and the option to watch him or just change the channel, I watch sometimes then others times I change the channel when the topic doesn't interest me. But I've learned a lot of useful information watching him, and although I don't take anything he suggest watching him helps in having a better conversation with our family doctors.

I look for the positivity in his show and I don't have to look to hard, as far as his advice on diet herbs and the like I'm sure his suggestions are varied because not everything works for everyone and he wants to give his viewers options, instead of one cookie cutter method, herb or medicine that doesn't work for everyone.

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With all the snake oils he promotes, I'd like to see him work for about a year with one of the women on "My 600 lb Life" that has been unsuccessful, yet tried to lose..I'd like to know if he can Really Help someone lose the amount of weight they need to.



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"Actually, he does see patients, which is an extremely scary thing."

I literally laughed out loud at this - because it's true!

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Actually, he does see patients, which is an extremely scary thing. He does the minimum number of surgeries to allow him to keep his hospital privileges. The last thing you want is a cardiothoracic surgeon who hardly ever operates, but he gets just enough people who are wowed by his fame to agree to go under his knife. Operating so seldom probably makes him the least-competent surgeon at that hospital, but some people think it's cooler to have a famous surgeon than a good one.

I have to say that while he's a quack and dishonest because of his promotion of his wife's interests, I don't think he's a bad soul. I don't think he set out to have a wacko woo-pushing disinformation program. I think that when he moved from doing 15 minutes a week on Oprah to doing 4 hours a week all alone, he quickly realized that he couldn't fill the time. When he had a segment on someone else's show, all he had to do was go out and talk about what he knew and answer common questions. Nobody can fill a whole show of their own that way. So he started bringing on guests... but he didn't vet them properly, and some woo-pushers and snake oil salesmen got through, and he was too polite to call them out as nutjobs or liars. And once he gave a few of them an unchallenged voice, he was stuck giving his show over to anyone who wanted the time. If he said, "Yeah, I let the guy on to talk about miracle white bean extract, but now I know better and I'm not going to let you on to talk about your magic primrose water," he could get sued for bias or libel or any number of things, and also he'd be back to having to figure out how to fill his dead air. I think he meant to do a good thing, but he just didn't have the showbiz know-how to control his own program. And now he's actually convinced himself to believe all the woo, because if he didn't, he'd just be sick at what he's allowed his show to become.



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I doubt he's actually seeing patients anymore, aside from the most famous like Oprah. Why would he? He clearly doesn't care about people's health... only the bottom line.

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i know what he promotes on his show and don't agree with 99.9% of it. I would like to know what he is telling his actual patients behind closed doors.

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Just my take, if what Dr Oz promotes or endorses a weight loss product ,If It Really Worked, why is he always showing New products that helps lose weight? If something worked, why would something new be needed! Wouldn,t everyone that took the former product be thin? He is a entertainer on his tv show at Our Expense if We fall for his snake oil.



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I love Dr. Oz and learn much from him, however, if you took everything he suggested that you take, and ate everything that he suggests that you eat, it would be impossible for a person to keep up.


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2/24/14 7:41 P

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I think Dr.Oz will endorse any product he is paid to endorse.



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I personally think he's a crock. He said that 135 is the ideal weight for all women, considering the average woman is 5'5" he's saying average or shorter women should have an overweight BMI. :/

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I'm not a fan of Dr. Oz. He did plug Forks over Knives which is a thing I'm all for, but he plugs a lot of things so you can't take his word as gospel. He's a salesman who is out for ratings.

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Dragonchilde, that New Yorker article was chilling! I honestly was neither a fan nor a detractor of Dr. Oz, but now I will become even more suspicious of anything with his name attached. Sad that such a talented surgeon succumbed to the lures of fame and seems to care so little for giving people good medical information supported by solid data. He wife reminds me of Lady MacBeth (without the guilty conscience).



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Before claiming that Dr. Oz can have any positive effect, please read this article. It's long, but it's extremely revealing, and includes interviews with his former colleagues, teachers, etc.

www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/02/04/130
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A Direct quote from Dr. Oz himself:

Oz sighed. “Medicine is a very religious experience,” he said. “I have my religion and you have yours. It becomes difficult for us to agree on what we think works, since so much of it is in the eye of the beholder. Data is rarely clean.” All facts come with a point of view. But his spin on it—that one can simply choose those which make sense, rather than data that happen to be true—was chilling. “You find the arguments that support your data,” he said, “and it’s my fact versus your fact.”

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2/3/14 12:51 P

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I don't pay much attention to him but I look at him as I do most other 'experts'. Listen to what he says.
1. See if it makes sense,
2. See if the science they quote checks out or if it is based on some very wide correlation theory (meaning a correlation in a study that can be attributable to any number of factors not just the one cited),
3. See if it can make sense in your own life. if the activity is something you can't or won't integrate into your life no matter how healthy it is it won't help.

If it then seems doable then try it. if it doesn't help or God forbid does harm stop.



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I sure do realize it.

My only gripe is seeing stuff that is not conducive to a healthy diet, i.e, when I was seeing ads for cookies.

I look at it like this, if this was a site where people were dealing with drinking issues, perhaps seeing ads for Budweiser isn't the best advertising choice to show for members.

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2/2/14 7:08 P

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At this point he is a quack.

I agree with the poster who said that he appeals to people who do not think critically.

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2/2/14 6:55 P

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Do you all realize that the whole reason spark is free to us is because of the ads? I'd rather deal with ads then pay money to track and learn how to be healthy. Pretty nice of spark not to charge us.



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I completely disregard the TV show. And in the past I've definitely "dissed" info propagated from said person.
BUT I will give fair response to the book, "You, on a Diet: The Owner's Manual for Waist Management."

It is well-written, helpful, and is pointing me in a healthier direction... showing the direct affect that STRESS and choice for food to self-medicate is NOT healthy nor helpful. I am already making changes for the better.

Good luck!

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2/2/14 1:09 P

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He's such a pathetic shill. I've lost 210 pounds on Atkins. Had a friend I'm mentoring on FB the other day ask if she should use carb blockers he recommends. LOL. I told her the best way to block carbs is to put your hand in front of your mouth and say, "NO WAY!" True story. It works like magic!



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I used to have a co worker who was an RD and she complained about Dr Oz all the time for his very unsound nutrition and weight loss advice.



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I use Chrome™ exclusively. I don't know about AdBlock... but I have a couple of things installed to limit popups and ads. I have no idea what others without these things are seeing on their pages! a scary thought. I still see far more than I want... but maybe I'm already blocking the majority, I have no way to judge.

But we've highjacked the Dr Oz topic.... Sorry all!

I agree with the PP about content. I don't agree with the SAD, nor the recommendations made to "typical dieters". It's abundantly apparent that that approach doesn't work nearly as well as it's promoted to do.

But that's another issue entirely (again).
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Edited by: EXOTEC at: 2/1/2014 (16:30)
...the problem with people these days is
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Thanks Bunny I'll check that out. And I disagree about the content on here always being sound but that is all I am saying for now.

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My ad complaint (I get it that this site is free and advertise supported) was for cookies that I was seeing.

My thing is that if people are here for weight loss, perhaps ads for cookies isn't the most appropriate.

Otherwise, I focus on what I am here for.

Anyway, the ads I see here (right now looking at an ad for shoes) and the stuff Dr. Oz promotes, for me it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Sometimes I think he promotes the latest product du jour that sprouted up on the internet that morning.

There have been so many times new people have come here asking about something he promoted...HGC diet was the latest - totally unfounded, and almost scary (how as a doctor he could possibly promote that is beyond me).

The majority of the people who watch his show are looking for diet advice. It behooves him to promote something new all the time in order to keep people watching.

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Spark ads - I don't see them. I use Chrome and installed Adblock. Problem solved.

Once the blaring ads are out of the way, the content of the site is sound. Can't say the same for Dr. Oz - he IS the "blaring ad."

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Goal 2 - leave obesity behind (BMI 29.9, at 185#) **DONE**
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EXOTEC, the Adblock plugins for Chrome and Firefox are fantastic; I've had it installed on Firefox for a long time, and I just switched to Chrome a few days ago. In that short time it has blocked over *three thousand* ads; I spend a decent amount of time online, admittedly, but I've seen it block as many as 60 ads at once on a *single* page (I think it was on Facebook). You can also whitelist ads for particular sites, if you want to allow some ads through. I prefer to allow ads for "safe" sites I want to support, like SP, so they can get their advertising dollars in...at least until the ads become intrusive or obnoxious.

I haven't been on Spark Recipes since I swapped browsers so I'm not sure if the automatically running videos on some pages are considered ads or internal whatsits that might not be blocked by Adblock anyway, but UGH. Few things on the internet are more irritating than a video or audio ad that plays without my permission!

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I object and fuss about the ads here every chance I get. The only ones I really want (expect?) them to do anything about are the ones in direct opposition to their "healthy diet" platform. There were Sensa™ ads here for a while. How is McD's " healthy? I don't care if they *are* promoting egg-white McMuffins™ (and processed egg whites aren't healthy, either).

Other ads are annoying, but as others mention, I can mostly ignore them. I hate the ones that hang up the speed of page-loading. And I've had to completely mute my sounds overall because having some ad scream or yak at me incessantly is terribly distracting. It doesn't seem fair that I have to modify EVERYthing to comply with SP's commercial side.

OTOH - I greatly appreciate all the services they provide us for free. While I'd certainly be willing to pay a (reasonable) fee for an ad-less site, I understand their taking advertising to offset what I'm sure is a very large budget deficit, if there was no support for it. I do wish they'd consider/offer a paid membership for those of us who would dearly love to opt out of all that nonsense, though.

But to say no one objects to SP ads I think is completely inaccurate. I see complaints to that end all the time. Some people are leaving the site on that basis. You know, once someone abandons a thing, they're very unlikely to go back to it. I suppose that the membership is large enough now that they no longer see the trees for the forest. Individuals don't seem to matter much. Lose one? oh well. There are others, and will be more to replace the lost ones.

A shame.

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they've forgotten we're really just animals ...
(attributation forgotten)

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"As for ads---look at your Spark People pages, they are FULL of ads yet no one bashes that."

Actually, people bash that all the time, but they also realize that you can follow Spark without buying a single item that they advertise. To follow whatever revolving door "method" Oz is promoting this month, you're going to shell out a mint.

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Don't buy anything that Dr. Oz sells

Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

Please read my blog

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I agree with ANARIE.
Oz is the modern equivalent of a snake-oil salesman. He does have the requisite credentials! This makes it even *worse*, IMO... because he's fallen to commercialism. One week he'll be endorsing a particular theory or diet... the next week he's got a guest on who favors it, and bashes him to pieces for the very concepts he was promoting previously.
The worst, for me, is that he still seems to have that "bedside manner" which soothes people into thinking they can trust him implicitly... and while that may have been so in the very beginning (and he still has the skill to give *good* advice), it ceased to be quite a while ago.

No. I run from most anything promoted by Dr. Oz. If I hear someone else promoting something he said, I will go and research it extensively, separately from his influence. If I find support, fine. But I take NOTHING he says for granted or even unbiased truth anymore.



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they've forgotten we're really just animals ...
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We did not create the web of life; we are but a strand in it.
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We don't have souls. We ARE souls. We have bodies.
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A friend of mine watches Dr. Oz and has spent a lot of money she can't afford on weight-loss products he's endorsed, like white tea, raspberry extracts, etc. She hasn't lost one single ounce. He's very compelling to people who don't think critically, IMO. I would not recommend buying the products he recommends -- if you want a doctor's opinion, ask a doctor whose opinion is not for sale.

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Research what he says further and decide for yourself. I would not actually call him an infomercial because he never endorses a particular brand. I like watching him most days because I end up learning something after my research---whether to accept or reject. As for ads---look at your Spark People pages, they are FULL of ads yet no one bashes that.

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No, you should not listen to any of the advice from Dr. Oz. He has a medical license, but when he goes on TV, he's acting as an entertainer and a salesman, not a doctor. He tries to help sell supplements and books because his wife has a company that promotes them. She makes many millions off of his endorsements.

Dr. Oz's show is not an information show. It's an infomercial just like the ones about the little giant ladder and the salad shooter and the magical Australian face cream that makes you look years younger. Oz doesn't know or care what helps you lose weight; he knows and cares what helps him sell commercial time and helps his wife sell books.



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take anything you read with a grain of salt. Remember that when they start posting things to buy they often get compensated for the advertisement. Lot's of 'experts' on what constitutes a healthy diet...pick one that is sound (like the Spark Diet or Weight Watchers) and fine tune it to your needs.

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My personal opinion is this:

Dr. Oz = Run as fast as you can the other way!!!

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If you are looking for good, sound advice on weight loss and healthy eating, read the threads here on SP, and the articles here.



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2/1/14 11:02 A

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Should I listen to all the advice that Dr. Oz gives on his show. As f ar as losing weight,that is. And also all the vitamins and nutrients he talks about. Pretty confusing.

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