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6/30/14 9:41 P

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She ought to see it soon.....if not give it an occasional "bump" until she does emoticon

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6/30/14 9:36 P

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Thank you, Eelpie! I hadn't thought of that.

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6/30/14 9:18 P

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Maybe you can talk to Dietician Becky here before you see the other Dietician - just to help you get through the 2 weeks?

I've heard of Dr. putting people on 1,000 cals for weight loss, never as low as that....but, lol I'm no M.D., either.

If you want to snag her attention, try inboxing her (PM) or post a question here with the title: Dietician Becky Question (or something like that). Or maybe she will read this.

Good luck, hunny.

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6/30/14 9:05 P

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My pcp put me on the diabetes meds, and referred me to the obesity specialist. The obesity specialist put me on the super strict diet. I have an appt with the dietitian in 2 weeks.
On the one hand, the obesity specialist says he's going to help me lose 120 pounds in 3 years. That's safe. But on the other hand, he's got me on a 1000 calorie per day deficit.

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6/30/14 9:03 P

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Don't try it. Your body WILL go into starvation mode and you won't lose weight. I'm eating right at 1200 calories per day and I am losing at a rate of of 2.25 pounds per week.

I eat well balanced, great-tasting meals.

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6/30/14 8:44 P



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What does the Dr who put you on the super-restricted calories, specialize in?

Without saying he was right or wrong, I would be inclined to get a second opinion on that one. Do you have a registered Dietitian? If not, ask for an urgent referral to one, and take your printouts and any lab reports or medical reports that you have. That will at least ensure that you are covering all your nutritional bases. Regardless, you should be VERY closely monitored on such a low calorie diet.

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6/30/14 8:29 P

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I know, I'm a few months behind on this one. But today, my doctor put me on a super strict diet for at least the next month. I entered everything into spark to see how many calories it was, and it's about 744 a day. I'm nervous about that, and I think I'm on way too much diabetes medicine to eat that little. My blood sugar before lunch was 81, and after lunch was 91, so I don't want to get too low. Any opinions about that? I'm on 1000 mg metformin and 10 mg glyburide morning and night, but the dr who put me on that dose is not the dr who prescribed the super low diet. But the dr who prescribed the super low diet had my medical info right in front of him, so he must've known about my meds.

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3/26/14 12:00 P

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While there may be some people who are eating really eating 800 or less calories a day, probably (hopefully) there are very few, since this is not a good idea. Once in a great while there may be a medical reason for this; it should only be done with supervision by a Dr. or dieticien.

Mostly, I bet people just aren't entering everything in their tracker, for what ever reason., or not entering the correct amounts. It's very easy to fudge, thinking, say, that's a cup of spaghetti, for instance, when it's really 2 cups.

Sometimes I just run out of time. or motivation to track. Sometimes I ate something that I know will be difficult to track. Sometimes I had one of those days when I just plain overate and don't want to track.

Most often, for me, I track for 2 or 3 meals, know where I am and, because I've eaten a certain meal or snack before, know the calories in it but don't go back and enter it, because I 'know' I'm in range.



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I have lost over 100 lbs. twice in my life. Once when I was 18, and took Dexatrim, and ate cottage cheese and fruit once a week on Sunday, while working 96 hours a week. I lost 134 lbs over the summer. Within 2 years, I started gaining weight back, and ended up 50 lbs higher.

Over the last 5 years I have lost the weight again, and am actually 1 lb. lighter than I was before, but I eat 2250 calories a day, and work out an hour a day. The difference is, I feel great, and not hungry. I couldn't imagine eating more food, so I have no reason to gain the weight back.

If you starve yourself, eventually you will give in, and gain weight back. No one can fight hunger forever. I would also tend to believe that a lot of the people at goal are " lazy trackers ", even if they were diligent during weight loss. They actually tend to increase calories at the end, because they no longer need a deficit, so they have more leeway, and actually struggle to eat enough calories, or they have such control now, the worry about tracking has left them. If they have been at GW for 3 years, and the scale isn't moving, why track? Many people wake up, track breakfast and lunch, and then decide to go for a bike ride, that becomes 30 miles, and have to rush home to cook dinner, and spend time with family, and just forget about tracking dinner. Because of their better health, they are more active, and tracking food has moved down their list of important things to do.

No matter what though, the people who lose the weight eating 800 calories, will eventually fail, and that is sad, because the person who has the willpower to limit themselves to 800 calories a day, would have no problem eating 1500 a day. They wouldn't need half the willpower they possess. I possess no willpower..lol, so I plan to stay above 2000 calories a day.

Think of it like a race.. One person runs as fats as they can, doesn't eat or drink, and only focuses on finishing. They win the race, and fall down, and need to be taken to the hospital. Meanwhile ( insert name ), takes twice as long to finish, but is met at the end by friends and family, who celebrate his finish with him. Who really won? and who is more likely to race next weekend?

The problem is, you still have to live life while losing weight. So anything that makes it unpleasant will be temporary. Diet, and exercise have to be incorporated into your life. They are part of your life now. Does 800 calories a day for the rest of your life sound pleasant, or possible?

I would go find someone who is at goal weight, and eating enough calories, and is active and healthy, and pay more attention to what they did, and ignore anyone eating 800 calories.

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3/26/14 9:20 A

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An FYI - never go buy what others put in their trackers as your guide. Ever.

You know nothing about them, medical conditions, etc.

Or - if they are even tracking all of their food for the day, or quite frankly...if they are accurate with sizes "Oh, that *looks* like half a cup of cottage cheese", as they scoop 3 cups onto their plate.

Know how many people don't enter food cause they simply don't want to be reminded of it? I've done it in the past. You think I wanted to be reminded of those 2 snicker bars I ate? ha ha ha....no I did not!!

Some days I'm busy and just enter lunch...cause I realize already know that my snack of an apple is 100 cals, and my dinner of lentils, carrots and cauliflower is 400 cals - and I'm just short on time that day, or I have a headache and I don't want to get on the computer again.



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3/26/14 9:11 A

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Here is what I read: Some early studies showed that heavier people ate the same amounts as lean people, but when they did controlled experiments, the found that obese people do need more energy (due to their greater body size) AND they typically under-report food intake. Snacks tend to be omitted, and protein relatively over-reported.Weight gainers ate an average of almost 400 calories a day more than the comparison group (Sharon Pearcey and John de Castro, The End of Overeating)

Accurate food tracking greatly increases the odds of losing and maintaining weight - I capture everything (even a slice of avocado) and find it helps me hold myself accountable.

Some of these people MAY be doing calorie cycling, or intermittent fasting, which some find helps them break through a plateau BUT dropping this low for 4 days or more apparently sends your body into starvation mode and slows metabolism. Which is why they don't recommend going below 1200 calories per day. (But if you're under-reporting like most overweight people, 1200 on paper might be 1600 in real life, which is what SparkPeople recommends.)




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10/2/13 7:51 A

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In my own experience, there are times I will only track 1 or 2 meals, because I got too busy, or the food was too hard to track (i.e. someone else's dish, take out, etc)



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10/2/13 12:15 A

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I have lost 108 lbs so far, and while I'm not in maintenance mode yet, I can't imagine eating that little. I eat anywhere between 1300-1700 calories (most days around 1300-1500) every day now and I'm still losing. Whatever you're seeing in the trackers of those people is either unhealthy or incomplete.



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10/1/13 6:46 P

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wow!

Nothing changes until you make a decision.


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10/1/13 2:14 P

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Thank you everyone for all the awesome responses! That really helps my motivation, and really makes it more attainable!!!! emoticon

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10/1/13 1:50 P

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I think that the most likely scenario is that they haven't entered everything in their tracker.



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10/1/13 11:34 A

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I lost 70+ lbs. eating an average of 1500-1600 calories a day and am now maintaining at around 2000.



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10/1/13 11:08 A

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I got to maintenance once, quit smoking, quit tracking and promptly gained all my weight back. Now I try to stay on the low end of my calorie range, 1200 cals, and it's slowly coming back off. I'll handle my next maintenance more carefully.

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I went on a very low calorie diet (less than 900 calories a day) to try and reduce my oral medication for Diabetes 2. I was under medical supervision and worked with both a health coach and a dietician. I've transitioned to about 1500 calories a day for maintenance (oh, and by the way, eliminated the need for any diabetes medication).

BUT before anyone tries this type of diet - or even eliminating food groups, which I've had to do for my health - talk to a doctor who is knowledgeable about endocrinology and nutrition. I would never have attempted on my own!!

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10/1/13 10:46 A

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I agree that maybe that person didn't record everything they ate. At least I hope that is the case.


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I think, for all the reasons already given, that they are not being honest with the tracker, but you'd have to speak with them directly to find the truth, I'd suppose.

I'm sure that's completely unhealthy in the long term.

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No, that's certainly not the case -- you'll be able to see it if you get some more responses here from people who have lost enough, or just hang around long enough and read what people are saying. Those people whose trackers you've seen are either not recording accurately (for what could be a variety of reasons) or they are doing something rather unhealthy for themselves which has gotten them into a bit of a trap calorie-wise and are in for bad consequences down the road of one form or another. You are actually best off if you eat the absolute most you can manage while still losing weight at a halfway reasonable pace. It'll help keep you out of that trap.

I know you were asking specifically about people who lost over 100 pounds, and I've only lost 45, but it may help you regardless to hear that I'm eating roughly 1800-2000 calories a day in maintenance, and that's with less exercise than I'd like. I'm not gaining a pound on that, and I'm never overly hungry unless I do something stupid like miss lunch. So while everyone is certainly different, there's plenty of room for hope you'll wind up at a maintenance intake that's quite comfortable for you.

This was one of my biggest fears about losing weight as well, so I can relate!

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people who have almost nothing in their tracker, I assume they are lazy about tracking everything.

To answer your question about maintaining, I have maintained my weight for 5+ years and I eat 2000+ calories a day.

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are you sure that when you looked at their tracker it was really giving a full picture? There are some days when I track one meal, then don't track anything else for the rest of that day because of *insert reason here*

I would look at a few days worth of tracking to get a good picture. The person could just be a "lazy tracker"

In short, no you don't have to eat that little to lose weight. You should be eating no less than 1200 calories a day.





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That sort of diet re number of calories should ONLY be undertaken on the instruction and supervision of a Registered Dietitian - that is a very drastic cut in calories. A Registered Dietitian WILL ensure that all essential nutrients are being met via appropriate supplements when needed.

If the ordinary person attempted this, they WILL suffer in the end. They are at very high risk of organ failure including brain damage, renal damage and blindness. They are setting themselves up, not only for very painful osteoporosis, baldness etc. etc., but death.

This is NOT a healthy way to lose weight and nor to maintain.

SP does NOT recommend anything under 1200 calories for a woman, and THAT is for an average weight woman who is very sedentary. Heavier people and those who are active/exercise, NEED more than that.

Apart from the above, a lot of people don't enter everything into their tracker.

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If you do it by starving yourself, then yeah.. that might be the result
basically, people like that usually lose weight by literally eating nothing, so the body goes into starvation mode. Your body thinks there's no food, so it slows down your metabolism (so you survive the famine)... so once it gets more it'll try and store it again (in case there's another famine), and so you need to eat very little to keep your weight.
That doesn't happen if you lose weight slowly and keep your metabolism up with exercise (no, starving AND exercising will NOT change the above), etc.
That's why you're told all over here that you should keep eating at LEAST 1200 a day (yes, you can eat less for a bit, but too long and the above happens).



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I noticed a few people who have lost 100+ pounds are only eating 700-800 calories a day. One lady only ate cottage cheese, and fruit in her tracker. Is that what happens when you loose so much? Do you really have to eat practically nothing to maintain? Just wondering. emoticon

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