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SIMONEKP
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7/17/13 8:07 P

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maybe you can help plan the food for camp and pack some healthier options.

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7/17/13 7:34 P

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You *may* have gained some actual fat. Not sure if you had a consistent calorie surplus or not *but* alcohol does cause fluid retention. I usually find it takes a day or a couple even depending on how much alcohol you consumed to return to your normal weight. (Same as when you overeat). It can even take up to a week depending on how much you overindulged.

But even if you did gain a pound of fat and say a pound is fluid retention. They should both disappear this week of being back on track. Don't worry too much over it.

I know *exactly* how camping is. I just try to commit to a few guidelines; get plenty of clean protein and veg. Eat healthy meals but enjoy some campfire treats for snacks. Get plenty of exercise. Drink LOTS of water. I usually drink wine when I go because it's lower in calories but gives me a buzz quicker than most other alcohols. Plus, you don't chug it back as quick as a cold beer on a hot day. I just find I don't consume as much alcohol when I drink wine. I try to hold off on drinking until the evening. I don't drink often so all I need is a glass or two in the evening around the fire. ;)

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Alcohol effectively serves as a metabolism suppressant and dehydrates you, maybe you could have two to three glasses of water per drink or at the very least alternate the two. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself some breathing room, but as the last post mentioned, you could cap it at 2,000 or 2,500 calories. That way you get the best of both worlds. I just know for me personally I can do a week's worth of damage in three days without some sort of attention!

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The first trip, I did have input on the menu plan. The second, it was out of my hands. Next time I will definitely be able to bring more wholesome choices. Not only that, but without many healthy foods to eat, I felt like crap! So I don't want to make that mistake again. I'd really like to get the hang of making sound choices when tracking isn't an option though, so this scenario served both as a fun break and a learning experience. I decided ahead of time I'd be okay with a gain anyway. The extra drinking probably led to overeating.

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NIRERIN
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7/17/13 5:48 P

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if you're happy with the trade off between not tracking when camping and slower overall loss, do it.
if you notice that the not tracking turns into eating enough to cancel out the rest of your efforts, you may want to put more effort into tracking. or at least spending some time finding things to pack [applesauce cups, dehydrated fruit and veggies, quinoa and seasoning packets like in mary jane's outpost] that mean that whatever else gets brought you have some better options for yourself already packed and ready.

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7/17/13 4:21 P

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I would say, try to track what you eat and drink. Perhaps set yourself a different calorie range for camping... instead of going 1200-1550 (or whatever your range is), set it for "no more than 2000" or "no more than 2500" or whatever you think is reasonable and appropriate.

On a recent camping trip, I pre-made some packable/"durable" salads. That helped a lot. Instead of having a burger and doritos, I had a burger and black bean salad. Got full, enjoyed it MORE, and it helped me to adhere to my calorie goals. You could try to do something like that - with a little pre-planning, you can go all wilderness-gourmet, and suddenly it's easier not to "miss" the junky stuff we typically associate with camping.

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Three days out of every two weeks is 21% of the time, which means that it would be entirely possible to "undo" your progress if you go too far overboard. It sounds like the first attempt went really well, though, and the second instance is *probably* a mixture of a small gain and some water retention. At that rate it would probably just slow you down rather than completely dismantle your efforts, but it *could* slow you down fairly considerably, depending on how much of the gain is legitimate and depending on how many of the trips go like the first one did.

I think NHELENE makes a good point. If you make sure that you have a good variety of healthy foods with you, and try to limit your alcohol intake to a few hundred calories max, your success on the first trip indicates that you'd do fine skipping tracking every other weekend. But if you're more inclined to eat and drink a lot just because you're not tracking, it could slow you down a lot, or even make you gain if you went *really* wild with it. 21% of the time is a lot of time.

Honestly, whether it's "sane" or not is up to you. Some people really need to lay off the tracking periodically to keep themselves from getting too wrapped up in it, while other people use any lapse in tracking as an excuse to indulge in ways they probably wouldn't have, otherwise. Only you know how you will end up eating on your trips (since out of two examples, you have one that shows you stuck to it pretty well and one that shows you might *not* have), so nobody can tell you whether or not it's likely to work out.

Personally, I always track, even if it means pre- or post-tracking. The only time I skip is if I have absolutely no way of knowing what was in what I ate, and that happens a few times a year, at most. I usually at least estimate, because I have a tendency to eat more than I intend if I'm not paying close enough attention. But that's just me.



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7/17/13 3:28 P

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Do you have any control over the types of food around?

Normally I would say don't worry about one 'bad' weekend once in a while, but since you're going so often you may want to try to get involved in the meal planning, and try to make sure that you've got some decent healthy options.

You can also play with portions when eating out. When you make your sandwich to take on the hike, use one small slice of meat, and cheese, and then pack your sandwich with as many veggies as possible. For hot dog dinner eat half your hot dog and a double portion of baked beans - whatever you can make work for you.



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7/17/13 3:11 P

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The alcohol is probably contributing to your weight gain- it always messes up my weight with water retention. When I am on vacation and can't track my options, I try to have guidelines, like one serving of dessert per day, only 4 oz of meat per day, etc.



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Over this summer, I have ended up with a 3-day camping trip planned every 2 weeks. The first one, I decided tracking my eating would take too much time away from enjoying myself, so I didn't do it. I managed to eat and drink mostly moderately, stay active, and I maintained my weight over that trip.

The second trip, I took the same approach but drank more alcohol and there weren't as many healthy food options available to me. It was a pretty active trip too! I just returned yesterday, and am up 2 pounds as of this morning. There are other variables in play of course, so I'm not sure it was a solid gain or just a weird upswing due to water retention or something.

Is this a sane approach to take? I'm not going crazy and eating everything in sight, though it seems to be impeding my progress a little bit. I have a habit of deliberately tripping myself up, so I decided to think more about this before I take the third trip. I might want to make more effort toward keeping track of my food next time.


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