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3/14/14 6:39 P

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You are an inspiration! I started 4 days ago, I hope I can achieve what you have and I noticed this was Aug of 2013! Curious what happened, did you continue with SP or have the surgery? emoticon

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1/14/14 2:56 P

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Ditto NAYPOOIE and RUSSELL. Low carb shouldn't be restrictive of healthy carbs, which should come from veggies. The protein portion is very nearly the same as recommended by SP guidelines. The fats are where these nutritional plans deviate - and they certainly do that.

I would read and explore a variety of restricted-carb plans, and find the similarities and how the science backs it up (and it does). It may not be for everyone... but it's worked very well for a great number of people in terms not only of weight loss, but overall improved health also.

Real whole foods, ditch the processed things, eat what our bodies recognize as "food" - even so recently as our grandparents' and great-grandparents' times. Modern nutrition is, for the most part, anything but healthy. We can change that, individually... one by one. And don't let "common wisdoms" sway you from those healthier recommendations which are now coming to fore. It's not enough to eat from fear. Educate yourself.


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1/14/14 2:23 P

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Atkins is meant to be moderate protein, not high. Low carb, moderate protein, and the rest of your calories from fat.

People who try to do Atkins while eating low fat find there is no place else to go for calories except protein. They also find that it doesn't work at all well. Excess protein will derail Atkins almost as fast as excess carbs.

The Good Doctor never intended you to gorge on protein. You eat real, whole foods, with the fat that comes with it. No boneless, skinless chicken breast, no low-fat cheese. You eat until you're comfortable, which comes much more quickly when you eat the fat.



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1/13/14 3:06 P

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Some doctors do prescribe an 800 calorie-per-day diet, but it's temporary and closely-monitored for morbidly obese patients. My doctor has strong opinions on Ideal Protein (she said absolutely not) but some doctors say it can be done safely. I'd ask your doctor.

Ideal Protein is offered at my hospital and many people have joined it and lost dramatic amounts of weight. Almost every person has gained it all back. The only person I know who lost weight on Ideal Protein and kept it off is a man who married a dietician right after he went off the diet. :)

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1/13/14 1:10 P

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I am glad I read this response. I too have been contemplating this diet but I know it is not the right thing to do. I am definately giving SparkPeople a try.

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8/25/13 6:20 P

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I forgot to mention how grouchy I became as well on the high protein diet

I will go... I will do...


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Too bad that you are looking at a diet instead of a healthy life style eating plan. As you already know diets don't work. you will loose weight on this plan...........but once you quit it you will gain it all back and then some. Besides what does this plan teach you......? How to starve to death.........How can you live on 800 calories a day....? I tried that once and I was hungry all the time.

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8/24/13 10:33 P

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I think the wise decision is to determine what you will be able to do when you are finished with the "diet". I have done so many programs. But the SP method of not dieting, but rather changing what you eat, within a wise amount of calories, helps me to know that when I am at my goal weight, I will continue to enjoy the food I have learned to cook over this journey. No other program has empowered me as much as this program.

I did Atkins and all I got from it was sickness. That is low carb and high protein. I do not recommend over time this type of program - for all the reasons stated below.

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8/24/13 10:24 P

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I had been considering bariatric surgery and the post surgery caloric intake is between 800- 1200 calories for bypass. Tens of thousands of people have have these surgical procedures with vary degrees of success. In the seminars I did not here of many of them dying. I am not so sure your diet would be so bad, but I am no expert. I do not think the surgery is for me, but have not ruled it out yet. That being said if your diet experiment does not work you can change your mind, with surgery there is no turning back. It would alter my anatomy, and what I could eat, for life My current caloric intake is in line with spark recommendations and so far succeeding. Remember each of us is on our own journey and must decide what works for us. Spark is a great tool and I have found great inspiration here. I wish you the greatest success.


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7/1/13 11:49 A

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I would say not to do it. I have 2 good girlfriends who lost weight on that program. They were both over 300lbs and each lost roughly 100 pounds over 10 months.
Within a year, they had both gained the weight back after stopping the program. They are both now working on losing the weight in a healthier manner, and are doing great! And so strong!

Here is why they stopped:
One began to start losing her hair after about 6 months on program
One developed kidney stones, her doctor said it was a side effect of too much protein.
They were both told NOT TO WORK OUT on that program by their "coaches". That's not right. When you are getting so little nutrients, that you are straight up told not to work out!
They were both exhausted. All of the time.
One had her cholesterol spike to the point of needing meds. She went off the meds after about 2 months off the plan.

And another thing about this program, is that it is a pyramid scheme. It is like avon or arbonne, in the regards that they want to you to sell it, as they make money off of your referral. And also, the product is often sold by "doctors", like gyno's, chiropractors and spa type places. These are not people who are nutritionists. I actually left my gyno's office and found a new Dr. who had ethics, considering that he spent 3/4 of my appt. trying to sell me protein shakes!!

I have heard so many horror stories, from local people here about kidney problems, uti's, people losing hair, muscle degradation... your health is more important than that.

Why not give sparkpeople's calorie recommendations etc. a try for a month. Eat whole foods, mostly plants, and eat more than 1200 cals!! It's free to try and won't leave you physically wasted and exhausted!

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Why not just eat low carb? Shakes, and 800 calories will not be something you will follow, and the #1 problem with low carb is that people treat it as a temporary diet. Once you quit, you will gain weight quickly.

You need to find a level of carbs that you feel comfortable eating at, and you lose at, and just be patient. You will lose weight, and not feel deprived.

Low carb works because you don't spike your blood sugars, which means Insulin is not released in large amounts. This lowers your blood sugars, and you get hungry. By avoiding this, you can just eat your scheduled meals, and yo actually eat less, and avoid binges/cheats. Drinking a shake will spike your blood sugar, since it is just digested immediately as is all calories that you drink. More fiber, protein, and fat will take longer to digest, and keep your blood sugars steady. As for carbs, there are a lot of good carbs that you can have.. fruit, vegetables, and beans, depending on the level you can have.

I think if you ate real food, and made changes in the types of carbs you eat, you would be surprised at the amount of carbs, and calories you can eat, and still lose weight steadily. The quality of the carbs is more important than the quantity, up to a certain point, which you must determine for yourself.

The extreme start of a low carb diet is just to get your body adjusted, and isn't really necessary if you can get through the first week or so. You could eat 1200 calories, @ 50 net carbs, and get your vegetable/ fruit serving, along with meat, eggs, cheese, fish, and some healthy fats. If you don't like those foods, you probably should not do low carb. Many diets work for us, and you have to enjoy them, so you continue to eat that way.

Good Luck with whatever you do. Hopefully you find success soon.

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Most women will lose weight on 1200 calories; especially if they are able to exercise about 30 minutes or more most days of the week.

Have you talked to your doctor about the difficulty you are having to make sure medically everything is fine?

An 800 calorie diet is very low calorie and should only be used with medical monitoring. Does this program also have classes so you learn how to eat when you return to a more "traditional" eating environment?? Otherwise, you will probably gain the weight back.

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Eating less carbs is one thing, and for most people it is healthy to eat less, partly because often too many carbs come from processed junk, but to eat an "extreme low carb diet with a total calorie intake of 800 calories per day" is quite another. The Very Low Calorie Diet and/or a Very Low Carb Diet should really be undertaken on the advice and supervision of a Registered Dietitian.

I noticed that when I had a look at the Ideal Protein Diet webpage, the first things to strike me was that they were suggesting it as a business opportunity. To me that speaks volumes, and I don't like a lot of noise!!

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Eating less carbohydrates, and getting all your carbohydrates from fruit and vegetables (and not from rice, potatoes, bread, and pasta) is healthy not dangerous. I recently read Living low carb by Jonny Bowden and he debunks every myth that we've been told about low carb. It's also very healthy for your pancreas because you're not overloading it with sugar (all carbohydrates break down into sugar for your pancreas to process). You can have a higher calorie diet that contains more protein and fat and get most of your carbohydrates from vegetables and fruit and loose weight.

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Below are a couple of links for you to read:
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
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www.sparkpeople.com/community/ask_the_expe
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www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
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The 800 calorie per day is very dangerous. I remember a woman in NZ was the subject of a TV program to do with the dangers of extreme diets. The woman was on a similar type as you, and was working. She started to suffer from fatigue (low calories and low carbs are notorious for this). One afternoon after work she was driving home from work when she was involved in a very bad car accident. She had shot over the road into an oncoming truck. When the Police twigged she was dieting, they checked to see what and how much she had eaten. They took this information to a Registered Dietitian. She had consumed about 500 calories in the day so far. They Dietitian explained that this is a side-effect of extreme diets which isn't commonly known, but is more common than realized. Not only was it very dangerous for her - her organs health and her bones, etc., it was also very dangerous for others sharing the road. The woman spent quite some time in hospital recovering from what had been expected to end up a fatal.

If you are still finding it difficult to lose weight, I strongly suggest that you ask your Dr for an appointment with a Registered Dietitian and get help from him/her. I know that my Dietitian was brilliant if figuring out why I wasn't able to lose weight, on a very healthy diet and within a normal weight-loss range. I took some random printouts from SP to show her exactly what and how much I was eating.

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I agree with the PP's!

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Absolutely not. Even 1200 cals may be too low for you. 1200 cals is not a "standard diet" it is the *minimum* nutrition recommendations for a woman losing weight. You may have better luck if you increase your calories. Personally, whenever I've dropped too low I experience slow or stagnant weight loss.

First, make sure you are tracking and measuring everything you eat.

Give the diet at least a month before you decide whether or not it's working especially if you're introducing exercise (which often times causes fluid retention in the muscles, masking fat loss).

If you are close to your healthy BMI or within it you should expect slower weight loss than someone in their overweight/obese BMI.

Personally, I find I get the most steady weight loss on 1400-1500 cals and I'm petite at 5'2 115 lbs. So if I'm eating that much and losing, surely anyone should be able to.

You will not be meeting your nutrient requirements on less than 1200 cals, it's hard enough to reach them on 1200 cals. Not to mention, how do you plan on keeping up an 800 cal intake for the rest of your weight loss? If I tried that, I'd be setting myself up for some horrible binge eating. The effects on your metabolism will also be horrific making it very difficult to keep the weight off. I even find myself having to eat a maintenance a couple times a week to fight off a slowed metabolism on 1500 cals.

How will you stay full on shakes over whole foods? Do you plan on drinking shakes after you lose the weight? Now is the time to learn healthy habits (like portion control, a balanced diet, healthy food choices, etc.) you can maintain for life in order to maintain a healthy weight after weight loss. If you don't learn those habits now you're setting yourself up to be a statistic. 95% of people who lose weight put it back on and often times, more. Unless you can see yourself cutting carbs for life, don't do it. Choose healthier carbs if anything (veggies, fruit, legumes, whole grains) and cut back on your sugars and refined carbs.

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Eating that far under minimum will absolutely slow your metabolism long term. Such low-calorie diets to produce results, but they're short-term, and most people tend to gain them right back when they return to normal eating patterns. That is NOT enough to sustain regular metabolic function. The dangers of very low carb diets are well known:

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"The Long-Term Effects of Low Carbohydrate Diets

When you severely restrict carbohydrates, your consumption of protein and fat increases, which has several long-term effects:
The risk of many cancers increases when fruits, vegetables, whole grain products, and beans are eliminated from the diet.
Protein foods are also high in purines, which are broken down into uric acid. Elevated levels of uric acid in the blood may lead to needle-like uric acid crystals in joints, causing gout.
Kidney stones are more likely to form on high protein, ketosis-producing diets.
Over time, high protein diets can cause a loss of calcium and lead to osteoporosis.
The risk of heart disease is greatly increased on a low-carb diet that is high in protein, cholesterol, fat, and saturated fat. A temporary reduction in cholesterol levels may be experienced, but this is common with any weight loss."

If you decide that you do want to pursue this diet, then you need to be under close medical supervision to watch out for dangerous side effects, including regular blood tests. These kinds of diets should generally only be attempted if the potential side effects DO NOT outweigh the potential benefits, i.e. if you are under medical supervision and you are extremely obese. For most of us who are not extremely obese, this kind of diet is not safe nor advisable.

As for why your 1200 calorie diet was not successful, that is because there's no such thing as a "standard diet" and 1200 calories is possibly too low for you, as well. It's a minimum, generally necessary to ensure your body gets its needs. If you were eating too little on this diet for long enough, your metabolism could potentially already be slowed.

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Let me preface this by saying I have had no luck with losing weight on a standard 1200 calorie diet that included a variety of foods. I have just started the ideal protein diet, which is an extreme low carb diet with a total calorie intake of 800 calories per day. It consists of 3 shakes, 4 cups of vegetables, and 8 oz of lean protein per day. I am concerned about whether I should continue to pursue this diet because I'm worried that there may be lasting consequences on my metabolism because of the low calories. Please, are there any opinions out there about the safety or efficacy of this diet? Thank you.



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