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Very interesting exchanges. So a year later, where do you stand Kamilli?



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Ok, So I did the cleanse for 1 week following the guidelines in the book and the recipes in it. I did lose another 1.5 pounds, but I wasn't in it for the weight loss. I was still eating around 1,450-1,600 calories a day. Some of the recipes were SOOOO good I will continue to use them. I did notice some changes, I had more energy in my workouts, I feel like I slept a bit better and felt an improvement in my mood. Could be coincidence, but overall I feel I gained from the experience.

In reply to a previous poster about the acidity and alkalinity of foods, this makes a lot of sense and I will definitely remember this. All my life I have been a huge consumer of acidic food, grew up eating lots of spaghetti and such. Had my first UTI when I was 5 and when I was 13 I started getting them every 1-2 months. Had all kinds of tests done at the hospital to try and figure out why, thought it might be kidney reflux. They never could find a reason. I've had 3 kidney infections as a result. Since starting to eat healthier in the last year, I've only had one. Possibly another coincidence, but it sure cant hurt.



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Just another thought....

If you like Dr Junger's books then you might like Michael Pollan's books too. He was featured on those films as well as the Dr. Oz show.

Hope this helps :)



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Hi Kamilli,

I have considered doing Dr. Alejandro Junger's Cleanse. I have not started yet because I have been very successful by changing my diet over the last four months but have not ruled it out.

My decision to make diet changes also started after watching two documentaries on Netflix including, "Hungry for Change" and "Killer at Large: Why Obesity is America's Greatest Threat". The second film is equally informative so anyone reading this please don't be discouraged by the name and film cover. It is a great film and not fear based with radical ideas like a few others out there.

Anyway, I have experienced so much success by changing to a mostly vegetarian diet and eating only whole foods. Processed foods, even "diet" foods, are terrible and wreck your body. I used to eat processed diet food, lots of animal protein and low carbs similar to the Atkins diet. This was terrible! It caused me to binge on junk after a few days since I was starving my body of vital nutrients. And, my weight loss efforts failed despite working out several times a week.

Since changing my diet as recommended on these films, I am off the plateau and losing weight at a rate of 1-2 pounds a week and down 18+ pounds now. I feel great, have more energy, few cravings and have a better clearer skin. Since I do avoid animal meats 99% of the time, I do supplement with a multivitamin just to be sure I am getting calcium and B12 (only found in animal products).

If you choose to do Dr. Junger's cleans, then I do think it is a good idea to use a blender and keep some of the fiber to create your juice blends. Listen to your body and decide if it is right for you. I would love to know if you try the cleans and if you liked it. Please follow up with us.

Thanks!!!!



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No, and never will. Do not think it is healthy at all.



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Don't know about any cleanses, but the idea of acidifying/alkalizing foods is definitely not bunk. The blood does have buffers to keep the pH within a narrow range. But the metabolites ending up in the urine definitely affect the pH of the urine, which has an effect on the urinary tract. For instance, although most fruits are acidic in their original form, they are also alkalizing for the urine. Lemons are especially alkalizing, as I discovered when suddenly the fire down below due to a UTI was put out after drinking half a lemon in a glass of water for a bad cough.... So if you are having any problems benefiting from either an acidic or alkaline urine, it can be worthwhile to take a look at charts of such acidifying/alkalizing foods to see if altering your intake can help you out.

Also in general don't be so quick to toss out advice based on many centuries of practical experience. I am a chemist and translate clinical trial materials, and those are always limited for various reasons and are very expensive- they simply are not going to be done on anything unprofitable. So the vast majority of traditional medicine approaches will never be subjected to clinical trials and publications in research journals will be sparse or non-existent. If an idea won't kill you and is cheap to try, go ahead and see if it helps you. The human body is an extremely complex system and individual variations are huge (which is why clinical trials tend to be so unrepresentative of many individuals). Be wary of huge price tags, though.

Edited by: JWOOLMAN at: 5/26/2013 (06:18)


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I have been using a blender for my juices because 1-I don't want to spend all that money on yet another appliance that I probably wont use enough to justify the $ spent, and 2-I don't 100% agree with taking out all that good fiber either, seems to defeat the point of eating it. I do use a jelly strainer bag to take out the pulp from about 40% of it just because I want it to be a bit more liquid y than a "smoothie"



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If you're going to go liquid for two meals a day can I recommend at least a blender rather than a juicer? Don't strip out the fibre.

Deb, in New Zealand


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Green Juice

2 green apples
3 stalks celery
1 leaf lacinato kale
1 leaf Swiss chard
cabbage
1 head broccoli
medium cucumber
lemon



Apple, Kale, Sunflower Sprout, and Radish Juice

2 apples
2 cups sunflower or other sprouts
medium cucumber
1 leaf kale
1 cup daikon white radish or red radish slices
1 lemon, peeled



Apple, Ginger, Lemon, and Spinach Juice

2 green apples
inch piece fresh ginger
1 lemon, peeled
1 cup spinach leaves



Carrot, Beet, Cabbage, and Watercress Juice

2 medium carrots
white cabbage
1 small beet
1 cup watercress leaves



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Blueberry, Carob, and Almond Milk Smoothie

1 cup blueberries
1 cups almond milk
1-2 tsp agave syrup
2 tsp raw cacao powder, carob powder, or cocoa
cup ice

Cacao powder is the same thing as cocoa powder, but the raw for is usually called cacao. It is preferable because it's packed with nutrients, including magnesium, and is high in antioxidants. The Nativas Naturals brand is stocked in many health food stores





Energy Smoothie with Almond Butter and Cardamon

cup almond butter
2 cardamon pods or 1 tsp ground cardamon
1 cups pure water
1 cup frozen peaches
1-2 tsp agave syrup

Tahini or pumpkin-seed butter can be substituted for almond butter

THIS ONE IS SOOOO GOOD!!!!



Berry Smoothie with Coconut Milk and Cinnamon

2 cups mixed blueberries and raspberries
2 cups coconut milk with coconut meat OR avocado added to 1 cups coconut milk
1 tsp cinnamon
1-2 tsp agave
cup ice

Dig some white coconut meat out of a fresh coconut



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Mashed Celery Root and Chestnuts
Serves 4
Time: 15-20 minutes


4 tbs coconut oil
2 cups water
1 celery root (about 1 pound), peeled and cut into inch chunks
cup nut or rice milk
1 cup chestnuts (either roasted and jarred or reconstituted dried)
Sea salt and black pepper



In a medium saucepan, bring the coconut oil and water to a boil with the celery root and a generous pinch of sea salt.

Add the nut milk or rice and lower the heat to let simmer (covered) for 5-10 minutes, or until the celery root is tender and has soaked up about half the liquid.

Pour everything, along with the chestnuts, into a food processor or blender (or use a handheld immersion blender) and puree until smooth.
Season with salt and pepper and serve warm.



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5/4/13 12:30 A

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Millet Risotto with Salmon and Artichoke Hearts
Makes 4 Servings
Time: 30 minutes

4 tbs coconut oil or olive oil
1 large salmon fillet
red onion, finely chopped
1 cup coarsely chopped fresh mushrooms (any kind)
1 cup millet
tsp dried oregano
tsp dried thyme
1 cups artichoke hearts, male sure they're sugar and additive free if in a can or jar
sea salt and fresh pepper
4-6 cups french onion soup or organic vegetable broth



Heat 1 tbs of oil in a small skillet or saucepan over medium heat, and cook the fish pieces until done, about 8-10 minutes (until everything is light pink and golden brown), then remove from heat.

In a large pot over medium-high heat, add the rest of the oil, along with the onion and mushrooms and cook, stirring frequently until softened (about 5 minutes)

Lower heat to medium and add the millet, stirring to coat. Add the broth cup at a time, stirring after each addition until almost completely absorbed before adding more. The mixture should be very moist but not soupy. Keep adding broth until the millet is tender and has at least doubled in size (about 20 minutes). Add herbs, salmon pieces, and artichoke heart in the last few minutes of cooking and taste for texture.

Season with salt and pepper and serve warm.



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Ok, First of all, I NEVER said I was buying his expensive kit. I spent $8 on the book which isn't all about why you should buy his kit.

It is about how how our world has been increasing in toxicity at a rate that our bodies are having a hard time keeping up with. Our supermarkets are full of processed foods with long ingredients lists and harmful additives and preservatives. Our meat is raised in dangerous conditions and there is so much "food like product" out there with very little nutrition content. There are harmful chemicals in everything we use, from household cleansers, personal cleansers and creams. It also talks about toxic thoughts and too busy of a lifestyle adding to the problem.

I already eat pretty healthy, I don't eat any processed foods, about 50% of my diet is raw vegetables, organic when I can afford it. I go to the gym and do weight training Mon-Sat and rest on Sundays and do 30 mins of cardio Mon-Fri, so don't tell me I don't know a thing or two about healthy living. I've been doing this for a little over a year and done a lot of reading and research from many different books, sites,people, Dr's and teachers, due to the fact that I have less than a year before graduating nursing school. I've also noticed while in school that there is no training about nutrition.

Once again, this is not a drink only shakes to lose weight fad diet. Any moron would know that juice or liquid only diet is a bad idea and not safe. This encourages you to eat a liquid meal for breakfast and dinner, with a solid meal for lunch, and leave at least 12 hours in between dinner and breakfast for the digestive system to be able to finish digestion and then use the body's energy to do a deep catch up detox. I'm still taking in about 1400-1500 calories a day.

But, I had the same opinions about so called cleanses and detoxes, and I agree that most of them out there are scams. But something about this caught my eye, I'm not saying it's perfect, but I'm going to try it and find out for myself.

And yes, I do have some illnesses or disorders that Dr's never gave any explanation as to why I had them, but just threw prescription medications at me that just mask the problem but don't really fix them. And the medications themselves are slightly toxic and have side affects that I'm not willing to live with anymore. If nothing else the book has some great recipes that i will post



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5/3/13 10:44 P

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Sounds like you've thought it out. And you sound very reasonable, good luck.



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No, my body cleanses itself wonderfully all on its own. Thank God for a great digestive system he gave us.



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" just no dairy, wheat, eggs or beef. But hormone/antibiotic free chicken, lamb and wild caught fish is encouraged as your solid lunch. Also some of the acid forming fruits and vegetables like strawberries, tomatoes and oranges"

Diet plans that eliminate whole food groups are generally not healthy for you.

"Acid forming" fruits and vegies? The acid/alkaline theory of disease is total bunkum. Your body neutralises all acids/alkalines in your gut, there's no effect you can have on your body by eating more acid forming foods.

You're taken in by a scam. You need to do more research. Don't trust "movies on netflix" for healthy diet information. Look at what dietitians and professional food sources say on these things.

Deb, in New Zealand


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I agree with the other responses, 100%.
Cleanses are fad diets. I remember the seriously-thin girl in my high school choir (wanted to be famous, that kinda deal) doing a green-tea cleanse. Just green tea, every day, for 3 days. Anyone who's looked into this at all knows THAT'S a dumb idea. Just eat healthy and exercise.
If you really feel the need to 'clean' your body...think about 'eating clean'--a big trend right now, where basically you eliminate chemicals from your food. Eat natural, healthy, organic, and make your own food so you know what's in your meals. No downsides of clean eating, that I know of--other than the occasional Doritos treat. Because there's nothing natural about a Dorito. Pretty sure they take the corn out of the corn for those, lol

But seriously--this looks ridiculous, and as another poster said, if you're not suffering from allergies, you really don't need this diet.

"If you don't like who you are and where you are, don't worry about it because you're not stuck either with who you are or where you are. You can grow. You can change. You can be more than you are." - Zig Ziglar

"Be miserable. Or motivate yourself. Whatever has to be done, it's always your choice." --W. Dyer


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Eating good healthy food (cut out the junk), drinking lots of water, exercise and get lots of fiber and I believe your body will take care of you.

I haven't read one research paper that supports cleanses and I've looked. I've watched people go through it and back to their unhealthy diets weeks later.

$425 will buy a lot of good food.

Of course, all of this is just my opinion. emoticon

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"But hormone/antibiotic free chicken, lamb and wild caught fish is encouraged as your solid lunch. Also some of the acid forming fruits and vegetables like strawberries, tomatoes and oranges. "

Ok. Well see, now these are fair and fine tips for healthy eating. Eating fresh, healthy ingredients is just never a bad idea - but I don't need Dr. Alejandro Junger to tell me that "lean meats and lots of fruit and veg" is a good idea. I can hear that message right here on Spark - *without* the sales pitch for $425 worth of "shakes." (I have looked at the ingredient listing on those shakes - there's NO miracle ANYTHING in there - the contents-plus-packaging couldn't amount to more than five bucks.... save your money).

Goal 1 - break 200 (46 pounds lost)**DONE**
Goal 2 - leave obesity behind (BMI 29.9, at 185#) **DONE**
Goal 3 - BMI = Normal (154# or less)


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Wow, some passionate responses. I felt the same way about cleanses too, I think I still do, but I am incorporating some of the ideas and recipes into my life for a week. And no, the book does not end saying that if it didn't work you should have bought the kit. I'm not doing it to lose weight. I do have a healthy diet and eating habits, otherwise I don't think I'd be 114 pounds. It took a lot of work to get here. But I have taken prescription medication since I was 14 years old, which I have finally almost weened off of. You still eat solid meals for lunch in this program, just no dairy, wheat, eggs or beef. But hormone/antibiotic free chicken, lamb and wild caught fish is encouraged as your solid lunch. Also some of the acid forming fruits and vegetables like strawberries, tomatoes and oranges. But to each their own opinion, I thought it was a good book with a lot of great information and personal experience. If nothing else, I highly suggest watching the movies "Food Matters" and "Hungry For Change"!! They are on nexflix instant. So many great speakers.



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OH MY G! His "kit" is $425!!!!!!!!!

Yeesh! I've seen a lot of scam products, but this just about takes the cake.

Two questions for the OP:
1) Do you have an illness? If you're not sick, do you really need to "restore your body's natural ability to heal itself?" What are you hoping to heal, and how can replacing meals with shakes do that?

2) If he can get $425 for the kit, do you really think he'll tell you everything you need to know in a $10 book? I'm willing to bet that the books ends with something about how if it didn't work, it's because you didn't drink the shakes/take the supplements, and you really ought to try it again using the kit.

This is an allergen elimination diet gone wild, and then used for weight loss. If you think you have allergies, see an allergy specialist. If you don't think you have allergies, this diet isn't going to help you any. And at 114 pounds, a diet geared toward weight loss could actually be dangerous for you.



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Ensuring you have enough fiber in your diet will cleanse you out as much as you need to be.
Eat well and exercise. With time, you goals will be achieved.
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All cleanses are scams.

If you want to be healthy, just start being healthy. A cleanse first is not required, doesn't help, and many are harmful.

There are no such things as 'toxins', and your liver does a very fine job of removing all the junk an unhealthy diet has fed it over the days.

Just eat right, get lots of fibre and water, and get regular exercise. :)

Deb, in New Zealand


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So I am about to start the clean program as stated by Dr. Junger's book "Clean: The Revolutionary Program to Restore the Body's Natural Ability to Heal Itself". Wondering if anyone else had heard of it or tried it. I'm kind of excited. Did not buy his kit online, just following the guide and recipes in the book. I got really interested in all of this stuff a couple of months ago after watching Hungry for change on netflix and then their first film Food matters. When I think back on everything I used to eat before joining spark people, it's truly appalling and a little scary.



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