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FLORADITA, this is a year-old post. I'm sure at this point she's over the illness in question.

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Antibiotics usually make me sick as a dog, nausea, complete exhaustion, dizziness, body aches and just general yucky. Probiotics can help but you might want to wait until you are finished your course of antibiotics before you do a rotation diet to ensure the meds aren't skewing your results. For now eat whatever you can keep down and get plenty of rest.

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The Lyn-Genet Plan does not follow the research evidence based practice guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of food allergies. This link will take you to these extensive guidelines and to a printable PDF version. I hope you find it helpful for your family.

www.niaid.nih.gov/TOPICS/FOODALLERGY/CLINI
CAL/Pages/default.aspx


The Lyn-Genet Plan also states that weight gain is not due to over-intake of calories, carbs, protein, or fat; rather it is due to food "reactions." This is not based on any research evidence and is not an approved, research based weight loss strategy.

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I would love to know how you are doing and how you think this has helped your allergies. I have three kids that I really would like to do the plan with. One has had major turn of bad health following Mono, one has always had stomach problems that we finally thought was her gall bladder but having it removed only helped short term one daughter with chronic headaches and me--just keep gaining weight. Good luck to you!



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I always get a kick out of posts. It starts out nice and then just digresses to nastiness. I agree that science is a practice, experimental. What works for one does not work for others. WE all come with strong opinions, which does not make someone Else's wrong. Maybe we could express our opinions and thoughts to educate and learn but not to get uptight about. I personally am excited about the plan because in My humble opinion it is not extreme. I am surprised people got sick on it--but everyone does react differently. It would be interesting to know if it is because their body is cleansing or it is just not working for them. I have started the plan three times--I will admit and not had success for different reasons. But I really want to see it through. I see it as healthy (I am an RN) as does my sister (who is a Registered Dietition and Physical therapist) and have had friends who have done it with great success. Does that mean everyone will do well on it? NO. But no need to be critical of it, again in my Humble opinion. Good luck to those who do try. Good luck to those who try something else instead and I do look forward to posts about how people did on the Plan. And please--good luck to me on my 4th attempt. ( I have no will power that is my biggest problem!!)



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I always wonder how these really old diet threads pop back up to the top.

(other than people posting in them, like I just did)

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Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 12/8/2013 (17:53)
Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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I think the OP probably sorted out the issue she was experiencing long ago, given that her original "I feel sick" post was written *last March* :)

It's odd how some threads seem to cycle back to the top of the page every couple months or so...

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WIZBUH. The people who posted that are trying to give you constructive advice are saying Lyn-Genet is not a board certified medical doctor, not your doctor. How in the world would they know if your doctor is board certified? You never mentioned his/her name. No one wants to link to Lyn-Genet's diet so they didn't say her name. I'm not sure why you are so defensive. I feel you were getting sincere advice and that advice was telling you to stop using The Plan at this time.

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Wow. It is simply amazing how much "we" tend to puff ourselves up. If science was 100% then we wouldn't have so many sick among us. As a clinical trials professional (I'll spare you my credentials) I've learned that one thing that works for one person my cause death for another. The point of my reply you ask? Your post does not hold as much weight as you suppose. Certifications mean nothing! Medicine is a practice. Science is a study. You have to keep in mind that it is ALL relative. It's not for us to judge Oz or Recitas. Some of the "reputable" doctors of our time have gotten it wrong many times. My point? Deflate your ego. Don't think that anybody has all of the answers. You should wish people well rather than tearing them apart with your opinion. My last thought...you say you are not pregnant...just fat. In my mind you should be spending some time figuring out what YOUR problem is rather than crushing others' motivation.

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Folks, just because someone provides comments that aren't what you want to hear doesn't mean they're "negative" or "nasty" comments. Sparkpeople endorses an evidence-based approach to healthy living that involves lifestyle changes, not elimination diets, crash diets, nor fringe science. That means that things that involve little actual scientific support are simply not going to be received by the population at large here.

There are plenty of places to get support for this diet (Even here on this website) so digging up old threads to commiserate with someone who posted almost 6 months ago isn't terribly helpful.

One thing that really bothers me about this plan, aside from the fact that it's endorsed by Dr. Oz, involves lots of weird pseudoscience, and such? The fact that the author provides no support for those who follow it. That tells me she doesn't want to help, she just wants to sell diet books. If she did, she'd provide support, the way most companies who want to help do.

Seriously, if you feel you are "reactive" to certain foods, then you need to be consulting a board-certified allergist and working with your medical team. Especially for something so complicated and with this much room for error.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 9/15/2013 (17:03)
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I agree with Maureen. Sorry about all the negative remarks. I just bought this book as well and will be starting later this week. I have struggled with food related allergies/intolerances/etc for many years and I believe a lot of my health problems can be traced back to the food I eat, even some of the healthy ones. I am tired of feeling tired and ill so often and being told that I'm fine or I just need to live with it. This book makes a lot of sense to me and seems to fit my own personal situation. I am very eager to get started and hope I start to see some improvement.

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Wow....I am sorry that you seem to have gotten a lot of judgemental responses as opposed to anyone actually answering your question. As a skeptic by nature who does a lot of research before trying any specific "plan" I was very interested in trying The Plan. It is absolutely not deprivation for those wondering and is in fact the opposite.....chocolate, bread, wine all on the menu as long as your body doesn't react negatively. I did have a severe headache the first day of this plan but woke up on day 2 feeling great. Those stubborn pounds which have refused to budge over the past two months no matter what I did are consistently coming off. There is so much whole, nutritious food in the first days that I could barely eat it all and had no sugar cravings at all. This is also the first time I have had the willpower to stop eating after dinner with no evening snacks. I hope you were able to stick with it and are feeling better. I would love to hear an update since this is an older post and I have just started my journey. Thanks!



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This diet is set up EXACTLY like a rotation/elimination diet. In fact it isn't as rigorous as most elimination diets. See this from the University of Wisconsin:
http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/sites/default/files//webfm-uploads/documents/outreach/im/handout_elimination_diet_patient.pdf

Are you implying that my doctor is not board certified?

Also there are many posts on this website that praise the diet, and that is why I became a member, something I'm starting to regret.

I would like to end this discussion at this time.

Thanks



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Just to clarify some information....

This diet plan is not based on scientific research or weight loss evidence. There is a great deal of inaccurate information in this eating plan.

This diet plan is not how a board certified allergiest would diagnos or treat a person with food allergies.

SP Registered Dietitian Becky



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Yes my doctor is a board certified medical doctor and I just spoke with her. She thinks the dental antibiotics are making me nauseated. She told me to hang in there and take probiotics. Most likely I'll feel better tomorrow, and to continue with the diet if I like, because it probably has nothing to do with how I'm feeling. It's most likely a side effect from the drug, and I'm to call her tomorrow and let her know if I'm better. I'm also to take it with more food which will probably help.

The diet has a two day "cleanse" as I already described which is simply eating vegetarian foods to give your system a rest before you add highly reactive foods like eggs, wheat, etc. Many people get headaches, etc on those two days - my husband did, but he's not on an antibiotic. He has frequent skin rashes and the doctor thinks they might be food related.

Again, allergists put people on this typed of diet every day, and I agree that Dr. Oz can be a little out there sometimes, but he gave very good reasons for endorsing it - it is a rotation/elimination diet. Those of us with food allergies benefit from this approach.

Again, thanks for your replies.
:-)

Edited by: WIZBUH at: 3/4/2013 (17:35)


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Dr. Oz is not a source of reputable diet advice, unfortunately. He's known for promoting just about anything that comes along without any reliable evidence of their efficacy. He is unfortunately not a good endorsement, and is not generally well-respected around here. I don't think it's a reflection on this plan one way or the other, but his endorsement is not a positive one.

I AM concerned about you having these side effects for this long. That's not a good thing, and is a sign you should *stop* this plan.

Could you clarify what you mean by a "purification program" - that's a bit of a red flag to me. Is this a board-certified medical doctor?

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 3/4/2013 (17:24)
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Let me just clarify. My doctor put me on a purification program. I have a call in to her right now to see what she suggests.

This is not a deprivation diet. It is a rotation diet to determine which foods you are sensitive to. You start with a two day vegetarian diet - it had so much food that both my husband and I couldn't eat all of it.

I said my liver is probably toxic because I had mercury fillings removed last week, have taken seizure medication for 8 years, and am on antibiotics. Obviously doctors know that the liver can become toxic - I have blood tests every year to make sure my liver is ok because of the seizure meds.

I've already eliminated wheat and a lot of dairy from my diet over the last year - this program helps you determine ALL the foods you should eliminate, very similar to what an allergist might use.

Lyn-Genet was on Dr. Oz and he gives the diet his seal of approval. The book is excellent and very well balanced - no crazy fad dieting. You eat plenty of nutritious, delicious food.

My problem is that I feel horrible and most people do for two days - I'm just wondering if anyone has felt this crummy for 4 or more days?

Thanks for your replies.
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Yes, stop the plan and call your doctor immediately!

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I agree wholeheartedly with Kiwi. Stop this plan, and consult with your doctor, because it doesn't sound like this is the approach for you.

Your body does not need to be cleansed. It's not a toilet, so it *can't* be flushed.

I would strongly suggest you stop this diet, and consult your doctor immediately to rule out any potential medical issues.

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Our bodies don't need to go on detox or cleansing diets. If you think you have a problem with food, one of the best ways to to eliminate THAT food (not others) for a while, keeping notes of what happens, and then re-introducing it. Do this 2-3 times, with at least a few days between consuming and avoiding, and then you may know if the problem is reality or perceived.

You have things going on at the moment, re your tooth and antibiotics so it certainly isn't a time to be trying this sort of thing, either. Apart from that, you have a lot going on with your health in general - you really need to talk with your Dr about what is suitable for you.

Why do you say "My liver is probably pretty toxic..." It almost sounds like you have decided that you COULD have a problem so you need to do something about it, and you are sailing ahead to 'rectify' it without knowing if you actually DO have a problem.

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Ok. When the approach you are using leaves you feeling literally sick, so sick that you have to take time off work as a result of it?

That's a big sign that this is likely not a good approach for you!

I would be very hesitant to adopt any sort of special/deprivation-style diet given your health considerations. You really need to be talking to a doctor about your sick feelings, if for no other reason than to rule out any sort of reaction or relation to your medications!

Disclaimer: I am not a fan or advocate of "cleanses" or anything else that resembles a temporary short-term "fix" or "fad." SO my comments come complete with this bias.

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Hello,
This is my first post and I'm not sure I'm even navigating this website properly. If this should go to somewhere particular please tell me where and how.

I started the Lyn-Genet Recitas plan on Friday and I AM SO SICK! It's been 4 days and I don't feel much better at all:
nausea
dizziness
weakness
anxiety

The book says 24-48 hours but it's been 72 for me and I don't think I'm going to make it to work again tomorrow if it doesn't turn around pretty quickly.

Has anyone else out there had really severe cleanse reactions? How long did it last and do you know why yours were so bad? I had a tooth worked on 3 days before and am now on antibiotics. I'm wondering if that is making it worse? I'm also on seizure meds and thyroid meds. My liver is probably pretty toxic, but wow, I have to slow this thing down.


Thanks.



 
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