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At the moment, I'm doing straight calories but I actually find I lose weight better on a simple, balanced exchange diet (diabetic diet or that sort) where I have a limited number of allowances from each food group. After transitioning off Optifast, the Core program I did use a 1200 calorie exchange and it was actually quite good. I didn't find I was ever hungry with it, and since veggies are a free food, you can always grab a hand full of carrot or celery sticks when you jut need something to chew on.


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This book might help you get started with low carb. My local library has it.

www.amazon.com/Living-Low-Carb-Controlled-
Carbohydrate-Long-Term/dp/1454903511/r
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"With refreshing candor, Bowden evaluates all the low-carb programs in light of the latest scientific research, including the Dukan Diet, the Low GI Diet, and the Ultimate New York Diet, showing you how to customize your own healthy plan for long-term weight loss and optimal well-being."

JERF - Just Eat Real Food


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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free. And it's changed my life!

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Keeping my blood sugar levels low on my high fat/ low carb/ moderate protein diet.


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7/17/14 7:48 P

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ok here what going on ,I was told I need to lose from 150 to 135 in six month
I am a low blood person ,and I need my sugar
so what is low carb I need to be a day and calories ?
I try 50 carb have no energy and feel sick ,so u tell me what best for me?
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5/21/14 3:03 P

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I also started to diet using a low carb diet but not as strict as the Atkins diet. Lets see what happens.



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I do both, but for different reasons than you would think. I limit carbs to under 50 NET grams a day, so I have no hunger, since all my trigger foods are gone. I have to force myself to eat more calories, or I lose too quickly, and feel washed out. So today for example, I have to add 3 Tbsp. olive oil ( 360 calories ), and 2 ozs macadamia nuts ( 420 calories ) to my menu. These have 8 grams carbs, but without the 780 calories, I would be consuming 1243 calories a day.

If you are in ketosis, and doing it properly, you should never be hungry, so you have to plan your meals, and make sure you don't forget them. If you just ate when hungry, you wouldn't eat enough, and would get sick.

So yes, I do low carb, but I also have to count calories, and add lots of fat, to make sure I have energy, and enough calories to avoid losing too fast.

If I eat 20 % protein ( out of 2000, just 400 calories ), plus 50 grams of carbs, ( just 200 calories ), then I am at 600 calories... so I need 1400 calories of fat to get to 2000. That takes some planning. You would never just eat throughout the day, and at the end go " Oh look, I ate 70 % fat! ". You would end up with lower fat, and either higher protein/carbs, or a lot less calories.

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5/21/14 12:06 P

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why not do both? I lost weight on low carb while still watching my calories.



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5/21/14 11:54 A

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I lost weight with low carb diet quite easily but got lazy and gained it back.
I need a fast and easy carb calculator to figure out the count on recipes any suggestions?

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I was thinking of going in the direction of a Low Carb diet because I, apparently, eat nearly 100 more carbs than I should (according to SP.) I guess I could just take it slower and keep a closer eye on what I eat. That's the reason I'm doing this- and I don't even care to do everything according to the SP calendar. I'm looking to learn to build a healthy lifestyle, I could afford to shed pounds, but I think it'd be best to go at my own pace.

Anyway, I'm just going to see what I can do to dial back the carbs I generally eat. I am glad this is here (SP and the teams & boards) so I can learn from the experience of others as well as from "Professional" sources.



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I also do a ketogenic program, but I went to a weight loss center that offered it instead of trying to do it alone. I started with DWL back in Feb and I'm doing great so far. I'm half way to my goal so I would have to say that the ketogenic diet does work!

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Counting calories never worked for me. Calories in/calories out never worked for me. A ketogenic diet is what works for me. I lost 30 lbs in 3 months without working out. After 3 months I went back to my bootcamp and kickboxing classes and my strength and stamina are BETTER than they ever were! And I had been doing both classes for years! I am fully ketogenic, meaning I don't "carb up" before workout. I don't even have to eat before a workout because I am using my bodyfat as fuel. My trainers were not thrilled when I told them I was taking some time off to try this diet but now that I am back better than ever, they are amazed. I will never go back to eating a low calories or low fat diet.



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count calories

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i have been wondering about this too - thanks for sharing everyone



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counting calories



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4/21/13 1:37 P

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To address the original question on this thread- you are asking the wrong people. If the people on here had all the answers, they wouldn't be here.

Get a book or two (I'd recommend Protein Power by Dr. Michael Eades and The South Beach Diet by Dr. Arthur Agatston) and read up on lower-carb diets. Then, try it out and see if you are shedding the extra weight and feeling better. Get blood work done before and after you try it too; no one on this site is going to answer you better than your own body can.



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I just started a 12 week Optifast program sponsored by the Ottawa Heart Institute. It suggests a total of 3 litres of water including what you use to mix the shakes. That isn't an unreasonable amount, but when you have nothing else in your stomach, it does cause you to slosh a bit emoticon . Thing is most weight loss diets (and most other nutritional plans too for that matter) suggest you make sure you get at least 8 to 10 glasses of water a day because that's what your body uses to flush toxins out your system.

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The thing about low carb is that you still eat carbs, and as I understand, your liver produces about 1/2 of what your body actually needs. This why people who are starved are still functioning. So a person consuming a minimal amount of carbs is perfectly okay.

Is it optimal. No, Preferable? Maybe not. Trying to say it is dangerous, or that your body needs carbs is not true. Personally I eat around 70% fat, so I don't eat a lot of extra protein. However, I do get kidney function tested every 6 months, and in the 4 years I have been on low carb, it has improved. As has every single test given to me by my doctor. I chose Atkins, since he was a cardiologist, and I have CHF. My heart now pumps 3 X what it did 5 years ago with every heartbeat, almost normal. MY HEART GOT STRONGER. I also lost 143 lbs so far, and got off all my cholesterol, and diabetes meds.

The number of people who need to be on low carb is not great, but for some it is the only option that works for them. I also think that by cleaning up the types of carbs we eat we can speed weight loss, and improve health, even if we don't cut carbs to the degree of a diet like Atkins.

The thing is, no diet works for everyone. People get one diet, and say it is the only thing that works, and all other diets are dangerous, and this is just hogwash. People succeed on multiple types of diets. Maybe we really have only 4-5 types, with hundreds of variations, but that helps people find something that works for them individually. Atkins, and Paleo are both low carb, just different versions that allow different people to stick to the diet.

The MOST important thing about a diet, once you find one that you can lose weight on, and get enough nutrition, is perseverance. Stick to it. Instead of worrying if everyone is on the perfect diet, we should be thinking of how people can maintain that, and get to a healthy weight.

Stop fighting to prove your diet is best, and realize that the diet that gets someone down to a healthy weight, so they can avoid diseases, obesity, and death, is best. Whether that is Vegan, low carb, SAD, or just something you throw together yourself. Eat the right amount of calories, move your butt, and lose weight, and you will be healthier.

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I've been on a low-carb diet by prescription of our endocrinologist for several years. My husband is now also on the same diet (same endocrinologist) for his Type 2 diabetes, which is resolving as a result. I've lost the equivalent of a fairly large person from my skeleton. I've had NO health issues related to the lifestyle. I'm also disabled and can't exercise (other than low-level activity) to comply with the calories-in-calories-out plus exercise regime that's so ubiquitously promoted.

Your brain utilizes primarily fats. Excess protein is converted in the liver into glucose, so what we actually don't NEED in our diets is more sugars. Carbs are a complex sugar, when it comes down to it. Too much protein can be tough on your metabolism. Too many carbs (and even induction isn't NO carb - mostly they say around 30-ish, and that's only for a limited time) can throw up roadblocks. I'm still considered on a low carb diet and I pretty much keep that value to less than 100 g per day. Sometimes I miss my mark. But it's not difficult to achieve because I'm not craving my next "hit" of sugar every few hours. Sometimes I still have to remind myself to eat, and that's after just having a decent breakfast at around 10 am. I know (for my own purposes) that I can't eat much after 6 - 8 pm. So I have to make myself find dinner starting around 4 pm or so. Some days I have no problem with that. Other days, I'm like... meh. Food. bleah

The only time I've counted calories is in the initial stages, or if I change my nutritional plan, because then I have to use those kcal to calculate my macro percentages. Otherwise, I ignore them completely.

Different plans work differently for each individual. This one has been and continues to be my best opportunity. I also try to eat natural whole foods. I'm one of those "perimeter shoppers" who only goes into the grocery aisles for cleaning supplies or whatnot. I admire those who can follow the popular regime for dieting. It just doesn't work for me. I have to change my lifestyle, and that just can't include thinking that when I reach some goal I can "go back" to "normal" eating. That cannot and will not happen.

So, kudos to those of you for whom it works. And I encourage anyone researching to begin first with educating yourself as to what constitutes valid and reliable research. A lot of the information we're still being given is based upon biased research and commercial interests. Just because it's on a website or in the mouth of some proponent doesn't make it right. After all... we're still in the clutches of the fats and cholesterol fantasies.

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Lo carb or count calories? If you want to lose weight you have to know what goes in and track it somehow.

I can easily gain weight on no carb (if I don't measure/weigh portions)

Paleo is nice--some foods just aren't good for anyone, wheat, white flour, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, vegetable oils.....

Also, once you get good at counting calories and knowing what portions are right for you it gets very easy.

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Everyone knows that as long as you eat six or more times per day you don't have to count carbs OR calories. Right?

Also.... I'm almost ashamed to be a man what with all the straw around here.

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"Lol okay Bill but Jimmy agrees with you!"

See, the thing about being an open minded critical thinker is that you can recognise what is and what isn't a valid source of information - whether it agrees with your point of view or not.



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You might have me wrong.

I don't agree that keto is a great diet, I simply disagreed with the assertion that the brain NEEDS glucose and that the only way to get proper nutrition is with carb heavy food. Keto doesn't need to be demonized as it is and it doesn't need to be put on a pedestal like Jimmy does either.

Moderation in all things, as they say. emoticon

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Here's a good example that the statements about ketosis being unhealthy, and ketotic diets getting you out of it within a few weeks are incorrect: the Optifast diet. It's a medically supervised VLCD which also happens to make you ketotic during the actual loss period in which you don't eat solid food, generally only their shakes (which BTW, are basically intended to allow you to starve without dying and without gnawing at someone's arm). This "loss period" or whatever they call it generally lasts 16-18 weeks, and is available from doctors worldwide.

The ongoing testing they do after the initial testing to prove that you are healthy (for example EKG) is for blood sugar and cholesterol.

You see a lot of people saying that you have to drink a lot of water, but I think that's just more bro-ing as I can't find it on the optifast website itself. And maybe depends on what you think is a lot of water... as the "optifast loser" blog says they tell you to drink 64 oz. of water. So 8x8oz glasses, same as Spark does? Say it isn't so. I personally don't consider that a lot of water.

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Lol okay Bill but Jimmy agrees with you!

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Uhhh ... Jimmy Moore is NOT a source for factual information.

Personally, I'm going to stick to wikipedia, pubmed and other UNBIASED resources.

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The misconceptions about low carb diets are just astounding. Check out Jimmy Moore's Podcast Livin La Vida Low-Carb Show here for factual information about low carb.

www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/arch
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I agree with whatever works best for you. However avoiding extremes for a "quick fix" seems sensible. I've been trying to replace refined foods with whole foods. I'm diabetic, so refined "white" food isn't a good choice(for me). I try to avoid the strict no carb diets, but there are lots of good veggies low in carb and plenty of lean meat choices. Find something you can stick with to get to your goal. All the best to everyone in their endeavor to get healthy.



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Disagreeing with someone isn't rude. This is a discussion.

You've changed what you said. I disagreed with "and then your body freaks out, because it NEEDS glucose."

This is patently false.

You recant and later state, "Proteins and fats cannot be metabolized for energy just as a fat or protein. It has to first be CONVERTED into something usable". Simply put, gluconeogenesis. Ketone bodies are fine for brain fuel. They largely suck for endurance. Also, fats can be metabolized for energy. But I'm going to assume you're talking about brain function.

"Protein contains a lot of nitrogen. When we catabolize it to use it, we make nitrogenous waste, which can be quite toxic. Thus, we have a way of making it okay for us: We change the nitrogen into urea and add a ton of water to it and expel it (yes, pee). If you take in a lot of protein, you are needing to process a lot of this toxic nitrogenous waste. "

OK, but it's handled normally. See:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity#Eff
ects_of_a_high_protein_diet


Allow me to briefly summarize.

"A high protein diet is a health concern for those suffering from renal disease."

"Studies have found no evidence of protein toxicity due to high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy people."

"Currently, evidence suggests that changes in renal function that occur in response to an increased dietary protein intake are part of the normal adaptive system employed by the body to sustain homeostasis."

You say:
"Much of your vital nutrients DO come from carb-loaded food."

Still largely false. Spinach, broccoli, cauliflower are not "carb loaded". They have a reasonable balance of carbohydrates and protein. One can get many essential nutrients and remain in ketosis.

Soooo ... where have I "pushed away the facts"?

Please feel free to include links. Sources are nice.

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No offense, brewmasterbill, but if you think this is "false, false, false" you may need to do some reading up on credible sites. My knowledge comes from not just random internet research but from life experience and school- you know, because this is part of what I study- the chemical aspect of biology (right now I'm in "generalized" classes, but I'm going to small a school that's primary focus is pre-med).

I am typically not rude, but if I come across that way or as a know-it-all, it isn't intentional. My biggest pet peeve is active ignorance- which is what this is.

Your body really does need glucose, except for when it's been starved of glucose and then operates on ketones. Seriously this is basic metabolism 101 stuff. The full process of respiration requires glucose, mostly. It's the preferred. It's the fastest. We require so much energy that if we did not EVER have glucose, we would die. Why? Well, two reasons. Proteins and fats cannot be metabolized for energy just as a fat or protein. It has to first be CONVERTED into something usable. "Well, isn't this true for other non-glucose carbs?" Sure, but the conversion is pretty much just a hydration process. You just split the sugar into glucose using water and some enzymes, so you end up having the glucose enter into your bloodstream directly through the intestines(if you want me to get into even more detail to prove my points, either the chemical or biological side or even both, let me know- I'm all for knowledge). The conversion to get fat into a usable form of glucose requires the triglyceride to first be broken into the fatty acids and glycerol (somewhat akin to carbs being broken into sugars). Fats are absorbed way differently than glucose/sugars, because while sugar is polar and will readily dissolve in water (which we are mostly, right?), fats are opposite. They are nonpolar and hydrophobic. They can't be absorbed right away. They form chylomicrons and are transported throughout the body that way- not in the simple, ready-to-use glucose form... So what happens is that the actual molecule (in this case it is the glycerol) must be rearranged to form the glucose to start the Kreb's cycle. This happens in the liver. What happens if you require a high amount of glucose but your only stores are either your muscles, fat cells, or fats? Yeah, it's going to make the liver work harder.

Now, a bit about the krebs cycle: it relies on a substance called pyruvate, which glucose can be converted into. This happens primarily in mitochondria of individual cells, not in a specialized location/organ, so the conversion isn't as taxing. Pyruvate is technically a ketone- and ketones are very similar in functionality to each other. So, there are a couple other ketones that can be used in similar type cycles to produce energy for our bodies to use.

The brain wants glucose, but it doesn't have the stores around it to utilize the glucose from fats with reasonable speed. This is why it sends the signals for hormones to be released to change fats into certain ketones the brain can then use. The safety of this has not been well-documented!! Ketogenic diets have only been around as a legitimate, studied thing for only a century I believe- which yes, in science, that is a SHORT amount of time, especially if you want to study the long-term effects, which the first time I know of it being used in a medical setting was to study the short-term effects on epilepsy.

Now, onto protein: low-carb diets usually require you to make up the difference of calories (because you still need to eat quite a bit) in fat or protein, so it is mega common for protein to be consumed. Protein contains a lot of nitrogen. When we catabolize it to use it, we make nitrogenous waste, which can be quite toxic. Thus, we have a way of making it okay for us: We change the nitrogen into urea and add a ton of water to it and expel it (yes, pee). If you take in a lot of protein, you are needing to process a lot of this toxic nitrogenous waste.

I'm going to repeat that.

You need to process a lot of toxic waste.

It doesn't take a Dr or PhD to know that the more toxic waste you have to process, the harder your organs work. We all know alcoholics have terrible livers, and I sure hope you are all able to see that it's because the liver must process the toxic substance that is alcohol.

So, if you eat a healthy amount of protein that won't overtax your system, you must load up on fats, which goes into a different problem- still taxing the liver (although it can handle more fat, from what I've been able to tell), but do I need to point to all of the studies of what high fat diets do to the heart?


NOW THEN.

Much of your vital nutrients DO come from carb-loaded food. I'm not talking about the carb vs weight type of loaded, I mean the carb vs calories type of loaded. This includes most vegetables! Yes, there are a lot of nutrients you can get from meat products, but... calcium? You would need to eat a bit less than a POUND of almonds to reach your daily amount. And don't even get me started on potassium. It's ridiculous. People seem to be so worried about sodium and lowering their sodium that they don't even consider the other half- upping potassium. Potassium may be found in legumes, but not in quantities you'd need.

Can you still eat a low-carb diet including a lot of carb-loaded foods that contain these vital nutrients? Sure. But on induction, how many g of carbs do you get? 20, max? You try to get enough nutrients eating only 20 g (that's 80 calories worth) of net carbs. It's not going to happen. You'd need mega supplementation. Iron levels might be fine, but do NOT ever believe that you can eat that little fruits and veggies and be healthy without supplementing- and is supplementing really healthy? Our bodies absorb the nutrients with less efficiency, and they can be dangerous.

I'm not saying ketogenic diets don't have their uses, but as a long-term thing, and with how many people use them, they can be very dangerous. I can go into anecdotal evidence if you'd like. But otherwise, please stop pushing away the facts and realize there are major health concerns linked to ketogenic diets.


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I avoid grains and sugars. I eat lots of veggies, fat, meats and berries. I don't count carbs or calories anymore. I just eat real whole foods, unprocessed and preservative free. Eating like this I have maintained a healthy weight for 3 years now after losing 10 lbs.

Try both ways and see which one works best for you, what have you got to lose.

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"there is little glucose in the bloodstream because you aren't getting it from food and after a while, you aren't getting it from your glycogen stores in your liver and muscles- and then your body freaks out, because it NEEDS glucose. "

HUH?!?! This isn't true at all.

"It is HORRIBLE on your liver, kidneys, and any rapid weight loss is hard on ALL internal organs. Also, much of our vital nutrients come from carb-loaded foods."

Also false, false, false.

I'm no LC'er, but this is a load.

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They both work. I do low carb, and actually have to force myself to eat more than 2000 calories a day so that I don't lose too fast. It works for me because it gets rid of hunger, and I love meat and vegetables.

If you don't like meat, or higher fat in your diet, it isn't for you. So count calories, and you can still lose weight. The diet that you stick to will be the one that gets you better results. There is no " best " diet. Just make sure that whichever you choose, you stick with it, and maintain a healthy weight.

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You can have some carb while still going into ketosis. My boyfriend, before we met, was on Atkins to combat childhood obesity and he tries to go back to it whenever he thinks he's gaining weight, even though he has chest problems now anyway. I looked into it quite a bit to prove to him it's not healthy :P There IS a difference between low-carb and ketosis diets, but a lot of low-carb diets ARE ketosis diets. It's like like cutting your carbs to 40% or something (which may work just because of what you said), but even after the first two weeks of induction, you can still be in ketosis. You can extend the induction period (seriously people do that, even with the warnings), and the instructions are literally just "add carbs back like a small # of grams a day for a week until you reach a 1-2 lb weight loss a week" and most people won't do that. They'll go from 20g net carbs to 25 the next week to 30 the next to 40 the next... And even if they are still losing 3 lbs a week, they won't add any more carbs because they LIKE the fast weight loss. That's the biggest problem. And even if you put your body out of ketosis, if you over eat carbs ANY day, they put you on a detox, where it's just like induction period over again for two days or something similar, to put you back into the ketosis region.

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Most of them (AFAIK) only encourage ketosis for the first couple of weeks. If one moves straight into the next stage, it's not so bad. They are mostly "lowered" carb rather than "low" (zero?) carb.

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Low-carb diets work in an entirely different way. The rely on putting your body into ketosis- which is basically this: your body is registering a lack of glucose because there is little glucose in the bloodstream because you aren't getting it from food and after a while, you aren't getting it from your glycogen stores in your liver and muscles- and then your body freaks out, because it NEEDS glucose. Well, it can also utilize something called ketones, which you can make from fat. In ketosis, your body is starved of glucose and thus your brain relies on the ketones so you don't die. The conversion from fat to ketone is NOT readily reversed, so any "unused" energy is literally peed away. This is why it seems to work so well and so quickly.

But you see, this is really dangerous. There's a reason why we eat mostly carbs. It's not just because it's what was mostly prevalent... it's because those ancestors that didn't died earlier. No, seriously. It is HORRIBLE on your liver, kidneys, and any rapid weight loss is hard on ALL internal organs. Also, much of our vital nutrients come from carb-loaded foods. Eventually on Atkins you are able to eat some carbs, but you still need to supplement quite a bit... and see, supplements do not work as well as real food.

If Atkins or similar carb-restriction diets help you lose weight, I won't pressure you to change, but I definitely think it is not the healthiest way to do it, and I do NOT condone those types of diets.

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Both tend to work.

Low carb tends to work only because protein and fat foods fill you up more. So while you think you're scoffing down unlimited bacon, actually you stop early and just don't want any more because you're full. So you tend to naturally keep to lowered calories when on a low carb plan.

Do what works for YOU. We are all unique individuals, and virtually every diet plan out there "works", provided it results in fewer calories taken in than spent. Whatever drives and motivates you personally will be the easiest one for you to stick to.

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You can still overeat even while eating low carb. Weight loss is primarily about calories in/calories out. Some people find they feel better on low carb, but cutting out carbs is not necessary to lose weight in general. Carbs have gotten a bad rep in the wake of the proliferation of so many low-carb diets. They're not evil, and you don't generally need to eliminate them in order to lose weight.

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Which is better? I have a friend counting carbs and not even paying any attention to calories. And I'm counting calories religiously and staying with in my range in all other areas. I'm just wondering what's going to get me better results???

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