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11/28/16 10:30 A

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Hi All,

I've only posted to social media…maybe 3 times in my life. I do not blog - it isn't for me. I understand how it could be helpful, I used it to help a family member with an illness.

I haven't used Spark in a while, but feel it is a good tool to help people and get ideas. Everyone has something they believe in and we can't make judgements on how other people want to pursue goals - like weight loss. Obviously, if we see something or Spark notices something damaging …I understand, but we can't control the path of each individual.

I am posting because of all the comments on the 1200 calories and not seeing a change in weight. I have the same problem and people look at me a little strange…because I hardly ever get hungry.

My problem is my thyroid, I am hypo…but I do not blame it all on that. I could be trying other things…like eating more/walking, etc. I know people that do all that and the scale just doesn't move.

I wish I had soda, sweets every nite and that would be my answer to cut back and maybe see a change. I have a thyroid problem, but I do know (not a dr) that everyone has a different situation. It isn't calories in and calories out for everyone

The important thing for me is that I enjoy food, I just hardly get hungry. I know I need try to eat more and rev my metabolism as much as possible. As we know, when we do not eat…this can mess up our metabolism and we do not get nutrients.

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Note: To the person that felt bad about all the comments not believing her, ignore all the negative comments and try not to go on to message boards about "weight" and go on to all the other tool on this site or on the computer where you might get more positive feedback. Wishing you luck.

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9/21/16 1:54 P

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My last comment on this thread is that if you are being truly honest in your food tracking and are not seeing the expected weight loss at the recommended calorie levels, please see an endocrinologist .

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Nice Post!
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YESSSS!!! love this post.



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Dear DATAGALJT---
If you review my posts you will see than I have agreed that there are people who do not fit the standard "calorie formulas". There are people who need to drop below 1000 calories daily to "lose weight".

If you feel there are threads where Spark members are being accused of lying, please use the "report inappropriate post button" so that our staff can evaluate the situation. Sparkpeople wants to not only keep our site filled with accurate and safe information, but also within a friendly, supportive and encouraging platform.

Finally---the problem that I have been addressing on this thread is the inaccurate and misinformation contained in the posts of NATASOR. These posts contain many statements in support of a 700-800 calorie diet to maintain one's weight as well as promote health improvement. Here are a sampling of the quotes that are inaccurate and not based on scientific research literature that have been shared.

"Don't despare, it's good for your life span, it means that your metabolism is low, and that means that every cell of your body has much longer time to devide, meanning that prolongs your life span, holding organs and skin in young state."

"The second great advantage will really make u happy, low cal diet saves u from cancers. Cancer cells need alot of sugar to devide, but u keep your sugar level all the time low."

"High Intense Interval Training will deminish your femail hormones and increase testesterone and HG, which makes u trimmed and slim."

"Every decade women loose about 1/3 of the metabolism of younger version of herself."

"Remember the fact, that people fallowing a Calorie Resticted diet have almost zerro chance of getting metabolic sindrom (X-sindrom, heart problems, brain demage, vascular troubles or diabetis and much more to mention)."


I repeat again---it is fine to share your personal weight loss history and the calorie range that you have determine to work for you. However...Sparkpeople does not allow the spreading of misinformation and insinuating that a 700-800 calorie maintenance diet (for the rest of one's life) is a health-promoting lifestyle for the general public.

Becky
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everyone is different. I cannot eat 1000 cals and lose weight. I must have VLC and VL CALS. I am carb sensitive and have a broken metabolism. I know what my body tolerates and it too time to understand this. I cannot do the NET CARBS newer Atkins.I Gain. It does not matter what works for me.It is what works for YOU. FInd the balance of foods. For me it is twice the % of fats to protein% and no more than 2-3% carbs. DO your macros.




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801010... Endocrinologists tell me it is likely genetic. Not unlike that person we all know who has trouble gaining weight and eats constantly. Just the reverse.

DIETICIANBECKY... I stated multiple times that I do not recommend this to the average person. I was just defending those of us who do not fall in the normal metabolic range who are constantly told that we are lying about what we eat or are told that we need to eat more to lose weight. Nobody jumps in on those posts.

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www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/okinawa-diet/
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Below is a copy/Paste from Wikipedia on "Okinawa diet"
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"The dietary intake of Okinawans compared to other Japanese circa 1950 shows that Okinawans consumed: fewer total calories (1785 vs. 2068), less polyunsaturated fat (4.8% of calories vs. 8%), less rice (154g vs. 328g), significantly less wheat, barley and other grains (38g vs. 153g), less sugars (3g vs. 8g), more legumes (71g vs. 55g), significantly less fish (15g vs. 62g), significantly less meat and poultry (3g vs. 11g), less eggs (1g vs. 7g), less dairy (*less than* 1g vs. 8g), much more sweet potatoes (849g vs. 66g), less other potatoes (2g vs. 47g), less fruit (*less than* 1g vs. 44g), and no pickled vegetables (0g vs. 42g). [4] In short, the Okinawans circa 1950 ate sweet potatoes for 849 grams of the 1262 grams of food that they consumed, which constituted 69% of their total calories.[4]

An Okinawan reaching 100 years of age has typically had a diet consistently averaging about one calorie per gram of food and has a BMI of 20.4 in early adulthood and middle age.[8]"
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The link to that entire article is here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

Here is a copy/paste from another article about their diet:
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"Salient features of Okinawa diet:-

Calorie restricted diet: The diet of the Okinawan people is 20% lower in calories than an average Japanese consume. Their diet consistently averaging no more than one calorie per gram and the average Okinawan has a BMI (Body Mass Index) of 20......"
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A link to that article is here:
www.nutrition-and-you.com/okinawa-diet.htm
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I will add, I do NOT know how accurate they are, but it certainly doesn't seem like they live off such an extremely low calorie diet as you infer.

Now, hopefully as Dietitian Becky has said, "can we move on please?"

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I d call this phenomen a metabolism modification. I don't see it as a demage. I veiw it as a great advantage of the body survival. From historical prospect, individuals with low metabolism had much more chances to survive some shortages of food, which happenned too often in the prehistoric times. Mother nature ( or evalution) made this even more advantagable for those individuals, making them living longer healtheir lives. Remember the fact, that people fallowing CR have almost zerro chance of getting metabolic sindrom (X-sindrom, heart problems, brain demage, vascular troubles or diabetis and much more to mention).
May I remind u one more living proof of CR phenomenon in action, This is Okinava irland population longevity phenomenon. The average lifespan of the people there is near 105 y/o. Why?... They have long history of tradition to eat not to feel full, but only about 80% of what their perception sais is full. These people also enjoy lack of heart diseases, cancer and memory loss.
If u have interest in facts like this, let me know



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I think it is time for everyone following this thread to step back and relax.

As the Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, all I've asked of anyone is to be sure that nutrition suggestions that are shared on this message board be based on scientific research evidence. I have not given anyone advice on a calorie intake. I have actually agreed that while the formulas work well for the majority of people, there are folks for whom the formulas do not work. Usually, there is a genetic or metabolism issue that can be identified. These folks would need to follow other guidelines. They would need to eat with even more care to meet nutritional needs and prevent deficiencies.

For folks who fall in this category--it is fine to share your situation on the board. However, it is not appropriate to encourage others to follow in eating this extremely low calorie amount or indicate that it is safe for others to use or improves one's health or longevity. That is dangerous advice.

I understand that there are a few SP members who need to use a lower calorie range to lose weight or maintain their weight loss. --- But don't encourage others (who do not have the same health or metabolism issues) to follow those extremely low calorie ranges.

Now---can we move on please?

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Do you believe your need for lower calories is due to genetics or metabolic damage?

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Dear DATAGALJT, I found finaly somebody with similar life style. Thanks for defending this position. You little more aggressive, than me, therefore, certified dietician may listen us more cateful. As long as she is certified, she cann't spread around brand new unproofed information regarding CR . My point of veiw is that. I'm not gonna wait till all those scientific proof will be available on human subjects (so far they done only on mise) I feel fantasticly well, healthy, light and skinny. 50 years of my life experience ( I started to restrict my food b/c out teacher at the dance studio told us to do so) tells me that I am kind of rite. I"m so gratefull to my dance teacher for that. All my girl freinds share with me their pics of themself looking like old fat grand mothers. Under my pic comments say that time has no power over me.
Sorry, certified dietisian. I'm not listen to u anylonger

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For my particular biological make-up, I will continue to choose any possible, unproven risks of restriction over the proven and inevitable risks of obesity.

I'm just pointing out that all of us are different and that those of us who have to go lower don't deserve to be scolded or called liars for the way we're built. We have no more control over that than a person with any other genetic condition.

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Dear 801010--

There is research investigating the effect of calorie restriction (CR) on longevity.
Here is just one example of such on-going investigation:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27518560

However... following a 700-800 calorie diet, 24/7 for the rest of one's life is not applying the research accurately or safely. Plus the research going on in the area of CR and longevity is considered "preliminary" research; not research evidence which is necessary to make general nutrition recommendation for the public which are safe and effective.

It is also important to realize that CR and longevity research really relates to people who are maintaining weight---not actively focused on weight loss.

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I have to chime in here and attest to the FACT that there are some people who have much lower caloric needs than others. I am 60 years old and have eaten under 800 calories a day for the past 15+ years, with the only exceptions being 4th of July, birthday, Thanksgiving and Christmas. I have fought my weight my whole life and resigned myself to the fact that I will never be able to eat like a normal person, after seeing 2 endocrinologists who both confirmed that my metabolic rate is exceedingly low. I can easily gain 4-3 pounds in a week on a 1200 calorie diet and I am not going there. In an effort to be able to eat a little more, I also spend 2.5-4 hours in the gym every day. Haven't missed a day in over 6 months. I have no medical problems, take no medications whatsoever. Additionally, there is no scientific evidence of the fantastical 'starvation mode' beyond the normal body's short term attempt to adjust to reduced calories, so don't tell me that after all these years my body is begging for more food. If there were such a thing no one would ever starve to death and we know that's not the case.

I DO NOT SUGGEST, IN ANY WAY, that an average person try to follow this lifestyle… but I have seen here several times, people being dumped on for very low caloric intakes (or called liars) and am really kind of tired of it. Some of us are built this way and telling us we aren't is like telling a naturally thin person to eat a sandwich when they may eat like a horse all the time, but simply have the ability to burn it off… and we all know somebody like that.


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Dietician Becky, in defense of the other poster there is research about longevity and low calorie diets. Most recently the American chemical society posted research in June of this year.

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Dear NATASOR--
I understand that for whatever medical reason, the formulas that are used to estimate calorie needs (which work well for most people), do not work for you. As you report, your calorie need to maintain your weight, is much lower than these formulas indicate.
Because your needs are greatly different, than the typical female, ---I therefore encourage you to continue with your health visits with your doctor. Continue to keep your doctor informed as to your calorie intake to assure that your nutritional needs are being met.

Regarding the content that you are posting here at Sparkpeople---
While it is fine to give some information regarding your health plan; please do not encourage others to follow such a plan for it could be very dangerous. The majority of people are not in the same situation as you.

And please remember that we ask our members to only post information that is supported by scientific research evidence. So your comments about a very low calorie diet increasing life span and decreasing cancer risk is inaccurate information. Also, a woman does not lose 1/3 of their metabolism with every passing decade. Once again, you are sharing nutrition myths.

Thank you for helping to keep our site, safe for all our members.
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It's pretty obvious that no minds will be changed as a result of this discussion. However, when you fly in the face of scientific fact with an anecdotal account of one case, expect disagreement and resistance.

Assuming you really do eat 800 or fewer calories a day, check back in a year and let us know how you're doing. Some of us have been here quite a while, so a year isn't that long. Stay in touch.

In defense of a poster you seem to be calling a liar, I will tell you that an adequate amount of exercise will permit you to eat more than normal. Normal day to day living usually burns more than you claim to eat, so if you burn 2000 calories above that number in a day, you can eat an extra 2000 calories that day. That's fact, not speculation. (Assuming no medical reason for the anomaly.)

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From my point of veiw, it's much more dangerous to pritch around to overeat 3 times if what real woman needs. To teach women to keep some restrain or discipline in modern fat world is much more important.
I tell u that at my 40th there were no thing as internet, calory counting and even thinking about macro analysis of food. We had no habits to count our calories or activity level. Everybody were eating as much as he/she wanted, including myself. I believe that at that times. I could have 2000 cal a day easily and didn't gain any weight. U just try to trust me that every decade women loose about 1/3
of the metabolism of younger version of herself. so by the time u grow to be 70
your your metabolism will drop to 20% of what u had at 20.
Fortunately, god made us not to spend in the gym half of the life, there are more interesting and more important things in life. Therefore, the only way to stay in humanly adequat physical shape, is to restrict some food in our diet.

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Just my way of doing things but worth a suggestion. If you keep your fat to less than 10% and do not eat any added salt, you will lose. This is not to say eat foods labeled low fat. Eat foods with no label that ARE low fat such as fruit and veggies. They also have no added salt. If you eat celery, tomatoes, cucumber and greens you will get adequate sodium without eating any extra salt.

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Natasor - I turn 40 this year and health is a top priority for me. There is no way anyone can get all the essential vitamins and nutrients needed to be healthy on so few calories.

As for being squishy when I get old. Some body fat is essential for health. I would never starve myself to be thin. I want to be fit and healthy, not skinny.

I am active, I participate in soccer, running, weight lifting and endurance cycling. I did a 6 hour mountain bike race last weekend. I plan to stay active as I age and on very active day/weeks I can eat 3000 calories a day. Sure if I exercise less I'll have to eat less. However most females regardless of age need a minuium of 1200 calories for a myriad of important essential bodily functions.

Please stop advocating starvation diets here.



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If I remember rite u are 30 to 34 y/o. When u get to 62 y/o things will change much.
U can continue to eat 2000 cal a day unless u want to keep 125 lb and nice figure. Majority of women looking smooshy out of shape at 60th. B/c nobody wonts to forgive their food calories

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I'm not advising anybody in anything in anyway. That way my own body works. I don't have any feeling of hunger. 2 hrs ago I ate 320 cal dinner, and I feel really stuffed. I'm not gonna touch food till next day 2pm. Sunday is my "big" exercise day.
I go to gym at 11am without food, only supplements and water, then I do plyo High intensity restance exercises, then I do weght exercise, then 20 min cardio run on treadmill. Then will be shower and sauna, then I drink protein shake, When I come home I can eat my first meal of about 300 cal. My second meal will be at 6:30pm. (Sort of Intermittent Fasting)
l feel no hunger at all, very energetic, never get sick and my all medical parameters are perfect. I never had any sick days. Soon I start thinking about retirement, but often I look and feel better than people of decades younger than me. My life is good example of Calory restriction life style.

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NATASOR - by eating 1100 and 1070 cal for last 2 days, there is no way that you would gain a genuine 1lb per day. True weight gain doesn't work like that. It requires 3500 calories in excess to your needs to gain that 'true' extra lb. True weight gain doesn't show as quickly as that, either.

It is very likely that the extra weight you notice is the food weight still in your body, and maybe a little fluid retention if you consumed extra sodium.

However, I acknowledge it is your right to eat any way that you seem fit - but please, don't advise others to eat like it. It isn't safe for (at least) the large majority of people.

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This is an interesting thread. As most of us are here seeking info on Weightloss and health I want to shoot some quetsions.
I'm 5'2 and even when I was not 145 pounds ( goal weight is still -20) when I was 160 pounds my weight loss was slow.
It's always been a slow thing.
Last year I had like 1000 cals for about three weeks and did lose 6 pounds. But, it all came back.
It always comes back via crash diet etc.

The best way I feel is to eat about 1500cals.
But I admit, that it does get a little upsetting when you see no loss!




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Man that sucks! I'm also 5'4" and 125lbs and I maintain on +/- 2000 calories a day. I can't even fathom eating only 850 calories a day. I often eat 850 calories at breakfast.



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Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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Dear Nutritionist. I did special experiment of eating 1100 and 1070 cal for last 2 days. I gained 1 lb avery day. I'm 5"4 and 125 lb 62 y/o. I do 40 min cross-fit/pluo type work out every day, finishing with 15 min of cardio on the tread mill, my step counter FitBit measres more than 10000 steps a day. Sorry , I have to stop my experiment, b/c 2 lb gain o weight will be too hard to loose for me. I know what your research tells u 1500 cal a day, but my life experience tels me to get not more than 850 cal a day. I exercise all my life since I remember my self, I was figure sakater and danser, my body got very efficient with spending energy. I exercise in the morning before any food, only water. I tell u even more, if I eat anything before work out I feel really bad. Then I can eat breakfast only after work out at 12pm. Sorry, science is not always rite. It's not applied to all people in the world

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Measure yourself first just because the scale isn't moving doesn't necessarily mean you arent losing weight,you could be building muscle and contrary to belief muscle does not weigh more than fat.A pound of muscle still weighs same as a pound of fat It just takes up less volume/space and has smooth lean appearance.Also check what your basal metabolic rate is.That's the very minium amount of calories your body needs just to function as in living,if you did nothing but laid in bed all day.My basal metabolic rate is roughly 1400 calories a day and if I did laid about all day.Otherwise my body would go into starvation mode and hang onto every bit of fat.

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I feel your pain, my nutritionist says eat more calories as my body thinks Im starving. I have to eat about 1600 a day. Even then the weight loss is slow.

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I go with Becky on this one. Since most of the posts I see here don't include any specific information (or at least not enough), it's hard to make an informed comment. So..... I assumed a height of 5' 3" for a 62 year old slightly active female who wants to maintain 125 pound body weight. Most calculators come up with over 1500 calories. If you're gaining weight at 800 calories a day, there is information missing somewhere. That deficit should produce a loss of about 6 pounds per month, at least at first. Something is missing.

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Dear NATASOR-
While I respect your right as an adult to select the diet that you feel is best for you, I must let you know that much of the information contained in your post is inaccurate and misinformation. In fact, it is very dangerous. It is not healthy for an adult woman to only consume on average on a daily basis 700-800 calories. It would be impossible to meet nutritional needs on such a low amount. Research evidence has not shown such a low calorie intake to increase life span or decrease cancer risk.

Very Low Calorie diets are sometimes used for emergency weight loss efforts. But such programs are only safe when medically managed and use specially formulated food products to assure that nutritional needs are met.

Sparkpeople asks that posts on the message boards be based on scientific research evidence. In the future, please promote nutrition tips and suggestions that are based on such research.

Thanks--
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I agree with JHARPER033, number of cal a day really depends..... My weight is 125 lb and age 62 y/o. I spark very often, my # of cal a day depends really from my age. at my 50 I could eat 1200 a day, but then 55, I noteced that I never could keep my weight steady with this amount, I switched to 900 cal a day to keep up. At my 62 it's really hard to keep up even on 780 cal a day. I feel that margin for error is so slim. I tell u that this is not depends of activity level ( I've heard that all activities take so little amount of calories, especially for people who used to exercise, our bodies are so efficient in saving energy) Don't despare, it's good for your life span, it means that your metabolism is low, and that means that every cell of your body has much longer time to devide, meanning that prolongs your life span, holding organs and skin in young state. Belive or not, just by doing this for many years I look like 42 y/o at my 62. I can workout like my 32 y/o daughter. The second great advantage will really make u happy, low cal diet saves u from cancers. Cancer cells need alot of sugar to devide, but u keep your sugar level all the time low. Women always have to be on diet, for example, your hasband eats big dish of delicios meal for dinner, then lays back on coach, finishes the nite with huge cup of ice cream, varies your night is completely different: your plate for dinner has to look more like souser, u spend 1 hr on the treadmill and don't touch that ice cream. After all these torchures he will keep his weight on check, but u can gain plenty of lbs, what a dumb.... We are women and this our destiny.
You may also try to work out little more intence: don't do long break between your sets ( only 10-20 sec), try do plyo exercise with plenty of jumps (buprees, box jumps, combination moves with d-bells) on the utube u can find them at keyword "metabolic exercises". When u run, don't just run slow and steady SAS, but go for HIIT (high interval intence training) You can spenf just 20 min on treadmill doing HIIT and u spent more energy than 60 min SAS. In addition, you metabolism increases for another 36-48 hrs so u may sleep but u burn cal for next 2 days. Your goal is to increase metabolism and change your hormonal make up. Only HIIT can do it, HIIT will deminish your femail hormones and increase testesterone and HG, which makes u trimmed and slim.
Good luck to u

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9/9/16 8:31 P

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I have been following a 1200 calorie diet and working out combining cardio and strength training and I have lost a total of 13 lbs so far in one month. I make sure to track what I eat as well as keep up with exercise.

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I gave up. Tracking food is great but I can't change the way I eat. Sooo. I added 30 min workouts like the 21 day fix. Changes occurring rapidly!!! I eat well and not to excess so for me changing my activity was key and allows me to enjoy my food. Which I do!!

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Berry-

Tell me more about acupuncture and chiropractic work.

My husband is a doctor trained in OMM, and he often adjusts my spine. I wonder if there are other areas he can concentrate on that may help me.

Did you ever get hormonal testing done? If so, what were your results?

At times, my progesterone was very low, as was my estrodial. However, this wasn't conclusive. I got pregnant soon after testing and never followed through with a true assessment of my hormonal panel. Now that I'm not pregnant or breastfeeding, I hope to jump back in where I left off.

Also, tell me more about fasting? My husband told me that it may be something I should thinking about, even though it's counter-intuitive to EVERYTHING we've researched for me in the past. I'm unsure about messing with my metabolism and really wish I could take a more moderate approach on the whole, but I'm intrigued that you have found success with this method!!!

Thanks for checking in on this thread. I hope to get to the bottom of my issue, but in the mean time, it's nice to know I'm not alone.

My 60 pound gain was after I had reached a healthy, "goal" weight. After a while, I stopped weighing myself because I was SOOOO sad that the number on the scale was increasing so drastically so quickly. I'd say it took less than 6 months in total (my smart scale was logging in the first few months of the gain, at about 10 pounds every two weeks at the beginning). To reach my goal weight, I restrictive in my calories and carbs, but by NO means did the adjustment to my diet warrant a 60 pound gain. I went from eating a restrictive, by the book plan to eating more normally (e.g. more like, 2000 calories a day). I was under a tremendous amount of stress at the time (I took the bar, got married, moved in with my mom with my new husband, bought my first house).

However, today I'm not stressed at all. Life has settled. Hopefully your approach can give me some insight!



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I was at a camp last week where meals were provided for me.

Small portions, low fat, high carb, fairly low protein, decent amount of vegetables and fruit. Low calories for me equals hungry and low energy all week and to top it off when I weighed in when I got home I had GAINED 3lbs!

JERF - Just Eat Real Food

I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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WANDERLUSTROUS - seems like some of your "story" is a bit similar to mine.

Seemed like a nasty combination of hormonal issues & stress through the roof caused me to add on a ridiculous amount of weight in fairly short order...most frustrating because I had actually hit "goal" weight! -- It's taken Intermittent Fasting since mid-June to have my body FINALLY be willing to drop some lbs for the first time in over 3 yrs. (down 10#'s, 35 more to go)
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I've been consistently addressing the stress issues as well as all the hormonal "stuff" via acupuncture and whole-body chiropractic. (It's been the "perfect" combo for me and has helped my body change from the inside out!)
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And yes, I've also been choosing more high fat, low carb, moderate protein meals (just 2 per day, max.). For now, this seems to meet my body's demands. I have been tracking more consistently just to see what the numbers are and how my body is responding.
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There's that expression: if doing the same thing with the same results are not what you want, SOMETHING needs to CHANGE! Otherwise, it's the definition of INSANITY.
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8/17/16 12:09 A

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Passionate Tiger - Thank You for enjoying my post! I appreciate your compliment!

Hi Wanderlousterous

I did not gain as quickly as you did, but I did re gain 30 pounds in a year and I did NOT go on binge eating... I only stopped the severity of my calorie restrictions. At the caloric intake I was at, I should have just maintained my weight and just not lost anymore. DEFINATELY should not have gained! Frustrating Indeed!

Anyway, I would like to explain my diet to you a little more, because my method is not quite what you think, and perhaps you can BENIFIT from my experience.....

My diet is actually high in the simple carbs. I don't mean sugar or refined grains, although I do eat about a table spoon of honey a day for it's health benefits. Most days, I eat mostly carbohydrates, which bounce back and forth from fruit heavy to vegetable heavy. I do eat almost daily a vegetable grain, which is corn and I see to it is is whole and not GMO.

My fat intake is in the upper range of normal or just a bit higher. I get this fat from nuts, avocados, flax seed and coconut oil.

My protein intake is very low, usually from a daily ration of a variety of raw nuts (around 1/3 cup). When I feel occasionally protein needy, I eat eggs. The only time I really eat meat type protein is when I am at a restaurant. I don't eat much of what is considered complex carbs (whole bread type grains, legumes, etc...), which are also protein rich. For myself, I have learned protein isn't as necessary as many recommendations suggest and since I have arthritis just about every where, I have benefited staying away from the inflammation causing foods.

I used to worry about eating so little protein from what was my norm, but years into it, I am healthy and have energy.

Of course, everyone's physical needs are different than mine, so working with blood tests to see where you are at is wise, as well as consulting your doctor/nutritionist. Many foods are contraindicated with certain medicines, so RESEARCH, RESERACH, REASEARCH!

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8/16/16 5:32 P

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Passionate- Good on you!!!!

CarolHayden1- I'm a big believer in high fat, moderate protein, low(er) carb. I'm glad you've found success in that method. Also, that's great that you've found strength in yoga! Good for you!

ToLive- I did, in fact, gain weight very quickly. I was gaining 10 pounds ever 2 weeks and I was not eating enough calories to warrant the extreme change. I gained 60 pounds in a very short time period, not because of my behavior, but because of some anomaly in my hormones that requires EXTREME caution (or extreme weight gain).

IFoundHappiness- I have not measured yet for 2 reasons. 1) I'm afraid to track another method of failure. If the measurements don't change, it's just another way to feel as if I've failed; 2) My clothes don't feel any different.

I have a fancy scale that tracks BF% etc- I doubt it's 100% accurate, but I can tell you despite my strength training and cardio, my numbers haven't changed all around.

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CarolHayden's post is still quite relevant so I am one who is glad that "this old thread has been resurrected". What does that matter.

Improving my metabolism is the key so thank you for reminding me how there is way more to slimming down than a calorie count!

HUGS,
dale the p tiger

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This thread was started FOUR years ago and got dredged up again.

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Wanderlustrous - You sound like me. I am nearing my 60s. The amount of very healthy food I ate in the small amount of calories I ate, along with regular cardio exercise did not match up with my weight or the fact that slowly I was gaining weight.

I discussed this with get my doctor who did believe me, but said... Can't fight genetics... SIGH!

So I did some research and found I was not eating enough of healthy fat and that too low of calories combined with too much Arobic Exercise can actually slow down your metabolism.

So, I have increased my average calories from about 1400 calories to around 1850. Added cacao and coconut oil to my smoothies as well as eating a whole avocado a day vs 1/2. Some days I am over the top calorie and fat wise and other days under the mark. I found it good to keep my body guessing food intake wise.

I also learned that fat is needed to properly process just about anything and also needed to release weight loss type hormones stored in every corner of our body.

I replaced the cardio with Yoga (which can still get you out of breath) and find I am more physically fit than ever, because the Yoga is so much better for my physical difficulties (bad back, arthritis, neuropathy, etc...) Also, Yoga is a whole body exercise, the stretching muscles from both ends also helps released those weight loss hormones.

Finally to the end result.... I am losing weight! Loving getting to eat more! And the physical benefits of the Yoga has liberated me! I CAN NOW GET ON AND OFF MY HORSE BY MYSELF! Before Yoga, I had to have help to swing my leg over the saddle, NO MORE, YAY!



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8/15/16 4:10 P

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we do not gain this weight in one fail swoop and we will not lose it that way either. losing 2 pounds is success. you keep up the great work of being consistent and monitor exactly what you are eating and you will get a breakthrough. never give up!

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8/15/16 11:58 A

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Did you measure yourself at the beginning of the month? Perhaps your body went through other changes. if you have before photo's or tape measurements you can compare then you may get more accurate picture of your month transformation.



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8/15/16 11:12 A

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Have you spoken to your Dr? My Dr. Recommended a 1200 calorie diet for me but I am eating mostly fruits and veggies with lean protien. I also have a hard time loosing weight because I have RA and can not work out as much and as hard as I would like. However I average about 6/7 pounds a month loss. If you are cataloging everything you eat and still not loosing I would talk to a professional, maybe get a physical. Good luck!

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Lol, great inspiration picture!

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Haha no that's me at 21. It's my inspiration picture. And it goes to show that looks can be deceiving- I was very unhealthy then.

Edited by: WANDERLUSTROUS at: 8/8/2016 (13:36)
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Wanderlustrous - is that you in your profile pic and on your Sparkpage? If so, you are far from obese - you look slim and healthy!

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I have been dieting since I was about 14. I'm 30 now.

I eat whole, organic foods. I air on the side of low"er" carbohydrates. I exercise with a primary focus on building muscle, and a secondary focus on cardio. My thyroid is in check with medication. I only drink water. I get enough sleep. I wear a Fitbit to collect data to keep myself accountable and active. I'm a data nerd, and I love to track as much information as I can.

My body has some sort of hormal imbalance that conventional medicine (at least the doctors I've worked with) haven't pinpointed. It's nearly impossible to lose weight. I will never be thin if I want to be healthy- and it's hard.

On paper, I am the picture of perfect health. My cholestorol (good and bad) and triglycerides are ideal. My glucose fasting levels are impressive. According to our blood work, I am in better health than my string-bean skinny husband. The number that works against me is my weight. I'm obese.

I execute each strategy for weight loss by meticulously measuring, never "cheating", following the plan to a T. I've tried about a dozen methods- from commerical methods like Weight Watches, Jenny Craig, and Nutrisystem, to methods under the care of an MD, to programs such as hCG, Dr. Adkins, a diet pill clinic, etc. (you get the picture- I've tried it all).

After many, many years of trying so many wacky methods (I've only lost weight starving and compulsively exercise) I'm now trying to just be healthy.

I've been Sparking on and off for 8 years now. I recently had a baby and I'm ready to start tracking my nutrients again.

In 6 weeks, I've had a calorie deficit of 22,752. That would be 6.5 lbs had the CICO math applied to my body. I have lost 3 pounds. That's .5 lb per week. These are good weeks for me. There will be months where my body does not release any pounds at all. It will take me literal years to drop the weight.

I'm trying my hardest to really focus on my strength. I'm going to try measure my progress by how many push-ups I can do, rather than what the scale says, or what my clothes say.

Let me tell you- it is hard. I get so frustrated when people (even doctors say) "Well, you must be lying" or "You must not be calculating things correctly." I get even more frustrated when people with healthy and balanced hormones lose weight as par for the course, because they can't possible understand the heart ache and pain one feels after working so hard and so meticulously for months, and only seeing marginal change on the scale or by their measurements.

The point of my post is to let anyone out there who has the same issue as me to know that you're not alone. That it's ok. That you are strong. There's more to health than your dress size. And if you are that person, please private message me. Let's be friends :)


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5/31/16 4:59 A

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really depends on how "good" your calories are. 1200 calories worth of fruits and vegetables are still better than 1200 calories worth of chips.

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I have Hashimoto and hypothyroidism (slow metabolism). I used to eat 1200 calories as a vegetarian. I went vegan for the animals over 3 years ago and have lost 123 pounds plus I eat 2000 plus calories a day :)

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I eat an average of 1400 calories a day for the past 7 days and my weight has not changed even though I exercise 10 hours a week. It seems to go up and down. My maximum allowed before exercise is 1550, I have have set it so it does not change with exercise. I have lost 6 pounds this month. I will keep trying. emoticon

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5/26/16 1:41 P

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Ok, about the starvation mode below 1200 calories per day stuff. First your calories per day changes with weight sex and age. So a 500 pound man exercising for an additional 1000 calories per day may go into starvation mode at 1200 calories per day because he cannot squeeze the nutrients he needs into 1200 calories. However a 40 year old woman weighing 100 lbs will actually be gaining weight at 1200 calories per day if she isn't exercising.
If your getting your recommended nutrients you will not go into starvation mode. In fact you will loose fat faster and feel better by using the least number of calories possible and still get your nutrients. I'm a 210 lb 48 year old man. I keep my calories between 1000 and 1500. My BMR is 2380 sedentary and i do enough exercise to create a 1750 calorie deficit each day so i loose a half pound a day. I feel fine and if anything my activity and energy levels are increasing.

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My BMR (sedentary) is 2380. I weigh 210 lbs. I cut my calorie consumption to 1380 and I exercise to burn another 1000 calories per day. I'm dropping 1 pound every 2 days.
If you are male at 157 lbs your BMR is only 1703.
If you are a female at 157 lbs your BMR is only 1537. To do what i am doing you would have to cut your calories to 537 per day and exercise as much as i am.
You have to create a 3500 calorie deficit to loose one lb of fat. How fast you do this and how you do this is up to you.
If you limited your calories to 1200 per day and don,t exercise it will take you 10 days to loose a pound.
Google BMR calculator on the web to find out exactly what your BMR is and work from there.

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I eat a maximum of 1450 calories a day, yesterday only 1200, it can vary how much I eat daily. I try to exercise 10 hours a week with 3 hours of that cardio and the rest walking and keep a close watch on my diet and plan for the week. I do make a few changes daily but, it gives me an idea of what to eat. My weight this month has gone down 8 pounds. I guess I have a fast metabolism and some days it goes up, other days it goes down. emoticon emoticon

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You have gotten a lot of great information here so far.

I'd like to add one thing: WHAT you eat really does matter. When I eat pizza, I can easily gain two pounds (yes, I weigh myself every day). I am pretty sure that processed carbs are the problem for me. Your issue may be a different food.

Consider whether you may have a food sensitivity that is causing bloating. It's possible. Ask your doctor about this.

Another thing to consider: you can cut calories, but not exercising enough will cause your weight loss to be slower than you might expect.

Keep working at it, and you'll lose the weight and be healthy before you know it!



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I eat 1450 calories a day and walk or go to the gym for 60 minutes a day, my present weight is 156, it was 163 when I started at the beginning of the month, I also plan all my meals for the week taking in to account vitamins and minerals,fat,carbs,protein and everything else is correct, it takes me some work, but it works for me. emoticon emoticon emoticon

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How much do you weigh? I ask because if you're very thin 1200 calories will nother create enough of a deficit for you to lose weight. Also do you exercise?



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Never let the scale discourage you. Try staying under 32 fat grams a day for a week and see what kind of progress you make?



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Two pounds in one month sounds about perfect. I would certainly not eat fewer than 1200 calories unless in a medical weight management program. Weigh and measure and record everything. Just a few missed items can add up.
To lose more than half a pound each week is just not realistic for many women. The important thing is to stick with it. Two pounds a month is 24 pounds in a year, a significant bit of progress. You did not get to your current weight in just a month or two. Are you walking 10,000 steps a day and getting in an hour of exercise each day? I'm working towards that goal as I firmly believe it's the only way to keep off the weight once I lose it. Remember that muscle weighs more than fat. It does help you burn calories, but that happens over time. A month is just too short to get the real picture of what you can achieve in any program, whether medical weight management or Spark People.



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1200 calories is too small of an amount to eat. Your metabolism is slower as a result; thus, this is why you're not losing a whole lot of weight. You need to eat at least 1600 calories, and even then, I would recommend seeing a registered dietitian for a more specific diet.

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It was to anyone really.

"It is our choices that show who we truly are, far more than our abilities"
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I walk the same but now go to the gym 3 x a week for 60 minutes each time.

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JODIJ13 - Was that reply to me?



JERF - Just Eat Real Food

I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

5'4"
Maintaining my goal weight of 125lbs since 2012
38 years old
2 kids

Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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If you are eating the recommended calories on here (which is healthy) to lose weight and you are exercising a lot will that put you into starvation mode? Technically you are taking in what is needed.

"It is our choices that show who we truly are, far more than our abilities"
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LIN1263 - I find it fascinating that you are losing weight eating more!

Is your exercise routine the same as when you were eating 1200 calories?

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I'm 5'4" and maintain on 1900-2900 calories a day. If I decided today to lose 5 lbs and set up my trackers as such, I could make the computer say I should eat 1200-1500 calories a day but I would literally be starving myself. So not healthy.

Be careful about setting realistic goal weights and realistic goal end dates when setting up your account. A slower loss lets you eat more and can help set you up for long term success.

IMO eating real food at the calorie intake for your goal weight is a good way to go. It helps you learn how you need to eat for a lifetime.

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 5/22/2016 (07:11)
JERF - Just Eat Real Food

I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

5'4"
Maintaining my goal weight of 125lbs since 2012
38 years old
2 kids

Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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I put myself on a 1400 calories a day diet and lost 6 pounds this month, I walk about 7 hours a week and ride the stationary bike for 3 hours a week. I now weigh 157 pounds. I was on a 1200 calorie a day diet I put myself on and did not lose weight because my metabolism slowed down even though I was eating properly and doing lots of exercise. For some people it works better to eat a little bit more like it did for me..Good luck!! emoticon emoticon I have 17 more pounds to lose.

Linda. My time zone is Pacific Standard Time.


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