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11/23/14 6:04 P

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Could u give me an example of a healthy eating plan for 3 days just to get me started on this new approach. I am enthusiastic and really want to lose about 20 lbs
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9/28/14 11:57 A

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I think its hilarious the people bashing this program. I especially love the people saying that they force you to purchase all of the extra stuff that is advertised. Does the program work? Sure, if you follow it. I'm sorry, I don't feel that $47 (a one time fee) is unreasonable to have a nutritionist tell you what to eat to get started on your journey to healthy eating. At the end of EACH page where the "extras" are offered, at the very bottom, there is CLEARLY a sentence that is highlighted that says "I decline this offer"!
The site is very easy to access and you are able to ask questions whenever you need to. I particularly like this because there's no counting points or anything like that. Its very helpful in many aspects.

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I agree, so far I really like this diet plan. This diet plan promotes good healthy choices and is very reasonable if you compare the cost of a complete nutrition plan or consultation with a nutritionist. I downloaded the 14 day plan (starting point), it was complete with a shopping list, recipes and daily meal plan. It has been so easy to follow and all of the information on their website is very helpful. I am very happy with the results I am seeing after just 7 days.
There are options to buy additional products, I see this as a service, I could buy the products on their site or drive to the store. I have not purchased anything additional to make this diet successful and will be continuing to use the convenient meal plans each week.

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9/12/14 9:39 P

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My husband & I have tried many diets over the years. We belong to a CSA and eat a lot of organic meats & vegetables. That being said, we are overweight and were looking for something to follow that went along with what we believe about food. Beyond diet is a compilation of good research about eating that, yes, I could have done lots of research myself and tried to come up with a plan on my own, but it was there already ready to go. I only paid $47 and had no trouble accessing the manual, videos, community, recipes, suggested meal plans, etc. I was able to say no to all the other offers. The $47 included a second free membership to the site, so my husband is also using the tools. I don't agree with everything she says, but we've seen success using most of her principles. I feel satisfied with the money I paid and am seeing results from following her suggestions. Take it for what it is worth.



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9/12/14 9:45 A

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Here's the disclaimer from their website:

"Testimonials, case studies, and examples found at www.beyonddiet.com and/or from Live Smart Solutions LLC. have been forwarded to us by users of Beyond Diet and related products. Every person has unique experiences, exercise habits, eating habits, and applies the information in a different way. Thus, the experiences that we share from other people may not reflect the typical purchaser's experience, may not apply to the average person, and are not intended to represent or guarantee that anyone will achieve the same or similar results. If we have disclosed typical results based on information provided to us by a manufacturer or other reputable third party source, you should presume that the typical results as stated are more reliable than the other examples found at www.beyonddiet.com and/or from Live Smart Solutions LLC."

Results not typical!



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9/12/14 5:44 A

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no, have never heard of it. I eat regular healthy food and follow a healthy lifestyle.

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9/10/14 12:51 P

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While I was skimming what folks said, I kept thinking what Paula said at the end of her post:

"If anyone here is looking for a good way to lose weight they should stay here and check out sparkpeople.com! It is free and full of great information!!!"

Why would you go somewhere else? I've been here for seven years next week and I am way better off and so much happier and healthier. I take what works for me and run with it!

I've read responses to something I post and a lot of times I have to remind myself that no one knows it all. No One. Anyway, refer back to paragraph 2...and run with it!

People who talk about being bored - are boring.

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9/9/14 2:03 P

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BUYER BEWARE: I listened to the presentation online and I thought it was probably only going to be basic information about weight loss but thought it would be worth $47 to see if there was something special about this approach. The very next page after you pay $47 they "offer" 3 cookbooks for $79 but give you no way to opt out of buying them. WHAT??? Before I even get to look at the plan or information you want be to pay 1 1/2 times what I just did for cookbooks for a program I have not even seen yet? I called B.S. and exited out of the screen, contacted the company (no one available to speak to BTW), and contacted my credit card company to tell them to not charge me for this scam! From what I have just read the attempt to scam you out of money only gets worse with protein powders and fish oils!

If anyone here is looking for a good way to lose weight they should stay here and check out sparkpeople.com! It is free and full of great information!!!


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8/14/14 8:54 A

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Thanks for a fantastic post! It makes so much sense. And yeah, Michael Pollan is a really smart man.



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7/23/14 11:15 A

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It's funny - all the billions of money folks make off spinning one of the most natural and instinctive things that humans do - eat! Follow Michael Pollan's advice: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." It couldn't be more simple. Beyond that, just listen to your body. Don't eat the foods that don't serve you. Eat more of the ones that do. Enjoy your meals. Drink wine and coffee if they aren't addictions, but again, not too much. Processed sugar isn't real food, but the occasional indulgence in a slice of pie won't hurt you. When I decided to quit eating my processed/fast/fried/carnivore food diet five years ago, I dropped 25 pounds in six weeks without even thinking about it. In fact, I am sure I lost the weight BECAUSE I wasn't thinking about it. What I WAS thinking about was nourishing my body with healthy foods, and I began to feel GREAT. I didn't give up my wine or my dark chocolate or even a little bread and pizza on the weekend... but I sure as hell didn't get the pizza from Papa John's, and it wasn't Wonder Bread. I know where most of my food comes from. Whole grains, beans, clean meats only a few days a week, lots and lots of salads and veggies and fruits and green smoothies and juices. I lost another 60 pounds over the following year again without even focusing for a minute on weight loss, began exercising because my body wanted to move, cleared up a host of other physical ailments, and to this day, I eat what I want. The thing is, what I want to eat has changed. You couldn't pay me to eat crap like a Big Mac anymore. When you eat what serves your body, you'll WANT to eat what serves your body. It doesn't have to be a struggle. Eat real food, and the rest will fall into place.

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Skimming everything from everyone (as far back in this string as I can could go) supports my current opinion that sensitivities and allergies (especially food) dictates HOW the body processes everything and what you look like from it (ie: the metabolism typing discussion). THANK YOU everyone who had been pulled in to "The Beyond Diet" sharing their experiences. For some, discipline (of any program) will suffice, for others, logical healthy eating is a new horizon and will help dramatically. For EVERYONE please listen to your body - and it can change! I am 58 and my body decided that gluten and lactose were evil when I went through menopause - but I wasn't aware of that and thought I merely had an intestinal virus. I was miserable and couldn't figure out what was wrong! After examining all my symptoms and doing the research AND testing by going off these things I have arrived at a healthy lifestyle! (I was even tested with the typical blood test that came back negative for celiac disease...) I was fortunate that my sensitivities created symptoms I couldn't ignore. However, I still endured them for a few years until I couldn't any longer (and they got worse). I truly believe that we can eat anything (that we're not allergic to or sensitive to) within reason. Portions for me are key!

I have family members that totally ignore being "itchy" after consuming certain foods - or will just continue eating them and take an antihistamine to cover that "itch" and just move on. These very same people have SERIOUS health problems - one even has sever dementia along with type 2 diabetes and a long list of maladies. People - don't be stupid. Listen to your body!

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5/17/14 3:23 P

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Kids still learn about the Food Pyramid in school. I had to teach it. But it has changed from the pyramid we were taught. The new food pyramid has a lot less emphasis on grains, more on proteins. The new way is better.
I agree with you about processed foods, though. I don't use or eat them.
But I notice that individuals from every generation are struggling with weight, whichever food pyramid they were taught. The meals my husband grew up that were homemade, things like lasagna, mashed potatoes with gravy, were foods that I, as a first generation born American, had only limited amounts of on my plate. I was horrified that the Americans that I was raised around were stuffing their mouths with homemade foods laden with fat. My grandmother was from Europe and had lived through the Holocaust and we ate loads of veggies that she grew and then canned herself. Meat was sparse, but carbs were even sparser. I see now that when I slipped and started to indulge more in white flour carbs, I started to gain weight. The only common sense way I have found to lose the weight involves exercise, watching calories and cutting out those empty carbs!! emoticon

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4/11/14 2:17 P

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That's an expensive cookbook! :)



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I want to get it just for her cookbook. Yes she cooks. I need a great go to cookbook that is just that, low carb and high nutrition. I know sparks has a ton of great ideas and maybe I need to take a second look at all sparks tools. I do like the beyond diet pintrest pin and recipes. Some times you just get tired of cooking the same old same old and are looking for some new ideas. I agree about the weightloss concepts. Look me up chatthefat blog free. When you ask the question of what really keeps me on track? what is it? Your internet friends? real friends? new food ideas? Look for the positive that will keep you moving closer to your goal. I think I might join just to have a great go to cookbook with pictures.

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4/7/14 10:34 A

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Hi! I work over at Beyond Diet and just wanted to take a minute to reply to this thread. I 100% agree with what most people on here have said - it's important to figure out what works for you, and if you're able to do the research and weed through a lot of the nonsense out there, that's awesome. Beyond Diet is a compilation of all of the great information out there combined with recipes and meal plans to make this healthy way of eating fun, interesting, and easy to maintain. We pride ourselves on being a great resource for health and nutrition information. Yes, you do need to pay to sign up, but it's a one-time fee for lifetime access to the community and information on our site!

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4/2/14 10:54 A

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4/1/14 2:45 P

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This has been one of the best topics I have read in a long long time. I respect everyone's comments and advice and research. My honest opinion is that "buying" any program like Beyond diet offers is something to be weary of. I'd much rather spend time researching foods that heal and foods that harm on my own rather than purchase a program that may or may not make sense or work. I have purchased a handful of health and diet programs in the past and have eventually wished I hadn't.

I just make sure I eat mostly fresh foods (organic as often as possible). I try not to eat much out of a box or a can. But all in all.... I believe in SparkPeople... this community is my tool... and the best part of it is.... IT'S FREE lol.. yes... But you are all awesome.. all of you in this thread. I read every post... yes.. every post.

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3/21/14 11:54 A

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Thank you all for posting. I just read the Beyond Diet promo. The item that twigged my BS Meter was "The three veggies that are keeping you fat". It was the teaser that took me to the site and was NEVER even referenced. Pretty fine presentation, got me anyway, I wanted to buy, so I logged in to Spark, typed in the title and found all of you. Now with thanks I will donate $47 to my local Salvation Army Food Bank.

PS. I am going to read Carl Sagan's "Baloney Detection Kit" from the book Demon Haunted World.I'll bet it will be worth the donation, thank you for the referral. Now off to the Sally Ann and the library.

Edited by: ROSIET3 at: 3/21/2014 (12:00)
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Like anything in life one should read information and discard what seems to be media hype. The beyond diet appears to have some very good points but it is up to the reader to determine what will work in her/his lifestyle and what is just advertisers trying to get us to accept their program and pay good money for it. That's why we have the ability to do research and make wise educated decisions.

Beyond diet has the right idea where food consumed is concerned. I can't begrudge them for trying to make some money for their information, but if you consider what they are saying it does prove to be a good lifestyle, as long as you do some research on your own and supplement their diet with food that fits your life style. Remember there is a fool born every day and I'm sure that there have been many people that have fallen for one or more of diet ideas/fads as we are all desperate to lose weight. We fill our bodies with chemicals that our digestive system cannot process since it does not recognize chemical compounds, making the end result the storage of unknown chemicals saved in parts of our bodies for future use, such as our stomach areas? Before you pay for a diet program, watch their promo. Most of the important information will be shown to you up front in order to sell you their product.

It goes to show that this generation eats horribly. When I attended school in the sixties we learned the "Pyramid" building blocks of life. foods that a person should consume each day for a healthy lifestyle. Unlike today, we as women were taught how to marry early and be able to prepare our families healthy nutritious meals. It was a different generation back than but the teachings should be the same today. Little did we know that as years went by the foods we would be afforded to use would be so filled with processing chemicals and additives to promote long shelf life with the end result harming our health. This craziness has got to stop!




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12/31/13 4:17 P

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This could be said about almost any fee based weight loss program. Weight Watchers has to be one of the biggest offenders. Over the years they have had some weird ways to lose weight. They are always encouraging you to buy more. Their branded food is truly terrible and unhealthy but WW is highly respected. Mainstream docs said Atkins was a quack. Almost everyone now concedes low carb is the way to go. Paleo is pretty much Atkins wit a newer and cooler name. Go figure!

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TONIWYNN: this chick is smart everyone, you should listen

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I purchased "The Diet Solution" which is the program that goes with the "Beyond Diet" site. I would never waist my money on this program again!!! WOULD NOT BUY! Here's my pro's and cons based on my own opinion.

Pros: encourages clean eating, has recipes for clean eating, get's rid of gluten

Cons: It's way to complicated as far as fats, proteins and carbs go, which you are supposed to track and count after you take a test to determine which type you are (ie; carb, protein, or mixed) sounds complicated already right?...

For me this was a waist of money. We already are gluten free in my house, we eat very clean, I am a long time calorie counter so the "type counting thing" was not terribly new to me, though BD makes it super complicated... The recipes are all things you can find on any clean eating/paleo/gluten free/vegan/whole food website or blog for free. And you get get so much SPAM from being part of the BD. A lot of promo crap!

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12/20/13 1:04 P

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Once I get my degree I'll pick things up again.

NU-UHHHH. No you won't.
Then you will be too busy seeking a position or practicing your field of endeavour,

If you don't do it now...you never will.

An excuse is just a speedway to more excuses. JPB2013
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Do it now.......

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9/7/13 12:41 P

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Do not trust everything the food and drug administration says. Canola is one of the products that is most contaminated in crops today. Watch the following documentaries and you will have all the information you'll need to eat the right things: "Farmaggedon", "Food Matters", "Fat, sick, and nearly dead", Food, Inc., Forks over knives. Some of them are pro vegetarian lifestyle, but it gives you information on which foods are non genetically modified which by staying away from processed foods and eating organic, you will have half your battle won. If you eat meat, always buy grass fed, organic, preferrably from local farmers. Also, watch, "A beautiful truth" for information on alternative method to cure cancer that is based on nutrition (which Mayo Clinic is totally against). Hope this helps.

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You don't need to pay anything for such a "program". This isn't really a program or a diet. It's really plain and simple - just eat natural food - nothing processed - like in a box. If any physician advised against eating something natural, saying it is unethical and unproven, I'd throw out the physician!! That is just plain asinine!



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I would strongly advise against this program. There's really no medical evidence supporting their claims. I've consulted with a couple physicians who have suggested I stick with programs more medically endorsed and proven.

Also, they will trick you into paying hundreds. The main program when I tried it was $47, but then they trick you into paying hundreds more in the next pages. They make it seem like you're getting this amazing deal, but it's completely unethical and dishonest. I ended up paying nearly $200 when it was all said and done...and the "no i don't want this product" selection is pretty much impossible to find. I can't trust a company like this that's so in your face dishonest.

The last thing that got me was how much work it is to try beyond diet's programs. you have to literally change everything you are doing. if you want a brand new lifestyle that will end up milking you for hundreds, is tons of work and is unproven medically, go for it. Logic suggests to steer otherwise though as far as I'm concerned.


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7/31/13 5:00 P

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I think you need to ask yourself, "Will I be doing this for the rest of my life?"

Most diets are set up to be short term and fail because they never address the real issue behind your weight gain, which is lifestyle, emotional, and physical issues.

Every diet program promises the same thing, Fast and Easy Weight Loss. But if it were that fast and easy to lose weight and keep it off, Obesity would not be an issue in the US. And none of us would be on this site, we'd all be in our bikinis lounging on the beach. ;)

Nutritionists, Drs, and other fitness experts all say the same thing, you need to watch your calories, workout more, and eat healthier foods. None of that is Fast or Easy, but that's the tried and true process that gets the long term results.

I have 65lbs to lose, and at times I feel really down about how long it will take me to get to that goal weight. But I remind myself that when I started trying to lose weight this time, I was over 210lbs. Since joining Sparkpeople I have lost 15lbs! I remind myself that, it's not just about my goal weight it's about *being healthier*. I make sure to stop and congratulate myself for how far I've come, and I try and focus on smaller victories that are more immediate, like staying in my calorie range, or making it to the gym everyday, etc.

I think you should invest your money into lean protein, fruits and veggies, and a gym membership. Those things will get you a lot farther then this diet, in my opinion.



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radiotikspark1:

Please keep in mind that 'scientific' research is ALSO riddled with problems related to improper/flawed design, collection and drawn conclusions. Please don't think that just because something you read comes from a 'scientific' community, it is any better. Anyone who says so is just fooling themselves. I live in the 'scientific' world of research. There IS no such thing as non-flawed research, scientific or not.

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RADIOTIKSPARK1 has it right. It's pseudoscience.

By the way, naturopaths and others like them ("health people") don't do any sort of scientifically valid research. By definition, they and their fields are not at all scientific. Whatever they do that they might be calling "research" is riddled with problems related to improper/flawed study design, improper data collection, improper conclusions drawn from said "data" and just a bunch of plain old pseudoscience.



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RADIOTIKSPARK1 is my new Spark Hero.

This thread has been a fascinating read.

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Goal 2 - leave obesity behind (BMI 29.9, at 185#) **DONE**
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We've all been told that Canola oil is ok for us, however, with additional research, you will find that in fact, it is not. Speak with a naturopath, or any health person that has been doing new research. I guess it also depends on how healthy you really want to be. If you're like me, and eat Organic, and stay away from GMO's then, you'll find the info that says that Canola oil (especially the way it is processed) is not healthy, and you would avoid it all together. As with anything, it's a personal choice on how healthy you want to be. Hope that helps a little....my advice...do more research. :)

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No - I like my plant based way of eating



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while the premise seems to be OK, I believe I've learned most of those concepts elsewhere for free (and, to be truthful, I didn't spend a lot of time on their site).

I recently purchased a special group of books (electronic versions) covering a wide range of healthy topics for $39, which I think was a better investment.

I'm not sure I'm allowed to post the link here for those, though.

see the BalancedBites website for a listing/link

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Wondering if anyone can help? I just started looking into the Diet Solution Program. I didn't purchase anything but just looked into it online. I have a question about meal choices. If I am a protein type and for dinner I am suppose to have 5 protein, 1 carb and 2 fat, then how is it that in the sample menus it lists 1 cup of beans as my 1 carb but then also lists a salad with veggies (which are more carbs)? Any clarification would be appreciated.

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I purchased the Beyond Diet program about 5 months ago. It is an awesome program. I am a heart patient but since i have lost 42 lbs I am no longer on any medication other than Lipitor. It is all about eating whole natural foods and staying away from processed foods. I have yo yoed my weight for years. I truly believe this is a plan I can stick with

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I find popular diets suspect with their fabulous claims and especially statements that contradict recognized sources. For example, BeyondDiet places Canola Oil in the avoid category yet here is what the Mayo Clinic says: "Canola oil is generally recognized as safe by the Food and Drug Administration. In fact, canola oil is very low in saturated fat and has a very high proportion of monounsaturated fat, so it's a healthy and safe choice when it comes to oils."
I trust the Mayo Clinic yet the Beyond Diet has converts.
What to do???

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Why, oh why do we not have a hammer emoticon? 'Cause Radiotikspark nailed it. I really, really wish our schools would teach everyone how to read research papers, or at least how to recognize the difference between a research paper and a random opinion article. It would go a very long way toward making our people a little more scam-proof.

Fifty dollars isn't a lot to lose, but it's still a shame that people are being charged *anything* for a little information they could get free plus a little BS. (And a quick glance at the website suggests that they're not even all getting their BS-- one of every three comments on each forum I looked at was about downloads not working.)

Okay, I just looked a little more at the website, and I take back the "a little BS" part. There's a LOT of BS. A boatload of BS. They're selling protein powder and claiming it will "slim you down while you sleep."

Puh-leeze!

I was going to write that "Well, telling people to eat better isn't exactly a scam. It's a waste of $50, but at least it's not harmful..."

But no. When you get into the website and see all the c*ap they're selling and the silliness of the advertising ("Our fish oil is 47 times better for your health than regular fish oil!" Oh really? What units is "good for your health" measured in?)... sigh. Scam city.



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I'm just trying to sift through that cut and paste there. It seems to have come right off the Beyond Diet webpage. A reading list with no results isn't much use to us. I know I shouldn't even respond. This is straying into the cringe worthy, "Someone is wrong on the internet" territory (xkcd.com/386/), but it just hurts me deep inside when people are being taken in by trash masquerading as science. It isn't your fault, it is the charlatans who promote it and take people's money. The key to not being taken is is approaching these claims critically. The list you posted is a very good start.

I have all of my first year undergraduates read through Carl Sagan's "Baloney Detection Kit" from the book Demon Haunted World. I kind of see it as a basic primer that every student and every person should have to test the various pseudoscientific claims that they are forced to deal with in their every day life. Much of Sagan helps here. Lets go through what you posted. For ease, I have numbered your references from 1 to 9, in the order you posted them.

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The vast majority of those are *books*. Anyone can publish a book about anything. They are not reputable, they are not peer reviewed, they do not constitute evidence for anything and should not enter this discussion. This eliminates numbers 1, 2, 5, 6, and 9.

Step 2:
Ancient reference to something different. Your list contains a 1945 book by the globe trotting dentist who sort of (but not all the way) started this fad. He was an interesting, if terribly eccentric fella, and we anthropologists love that, for all his eccentricities, he recorded the pre-globalisation tooth quality of many of the people of the world (I've come across him before), but he was VERY VERY specifically talking about diet and presence of tooth decay in the publication that you posted. He questionably extrapolated more later, but your reference is *not* to metabolic typing so we have to take away number 4.

Step 3:
The Peer Reviewed Papers. So there seems to be at least two, maybe three peer reviewed papers on this list. However, there are serious problems with each one:

In Number 3 (Piatti et. al, 1994), there is no discussion of metabolic typing whatsoever. Here are the stated conclusions from that paper:

"In conclusion, our experience suggests that (1) a hypocaloric diet providing a high percentage of natural protein can improve insulin sensitivity; and (2) conversely, a hypocaloric high-polysaccharide-CHO diet decreases insulin sensitivity and is unable to spare muscle tissue."

Cool! Interesting! Nothing at all to do with metabolic typing. They are saying that they found that a high percentage of natural protein improved insulin sensitivity...IN EVERYONE, not just people of some randomly created metabolic "type".

In Number 7, Westphal et al. (1990), there is also no discussion of metabolic typing. Furthermore the conclusions drawn in this paper are only based on the responses of FIVE people www.ajcn.org/content/52/2/267.abstract, so even if it was about metabolic typing (it isn't), there would not be enough people in the study for the results to have statistical significance.

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Now number 8, Wolcott (1983). First, the citation is incomplete. It is also incomplete on the list that you got this off of (www.beyonddiet.com/Members/Pages/Resources
right?). Because of this I can't actually figure out where this paper is supposed to have been published. Do they mean Brown University's International Health Institute? Do they mean the Canadian International Health Institute? Or was this put out by some shady pseudoscientific entity. Interestingly I cannot find this paper online anywhere. It doesn't exist on pub med and google is only showing me metabolic typing reading lists. It is also written by the person who monetarily benefits from you believing in this, William Wolcott who pocketed your $50. William Wolcott is not a doctor. He is the person getting rich off the Metabolic Typing Diet.

So all of those references are either unsuitable, unrelated, or not credible.

One last note: Wikipedia is a *tool*. It is not a source to cite on its own, it is a compendium of knowledge, a starting off point for discovering more information about the topic because usually wikipedia entries provide a list of references to follow. Note that the entry that I originally linked you to did just that, and I only quoted information from Sloan-Kettering and the an investigative report on the topic. Of course you can't cite wikipedia at University...but you can cite the references you find through wikipedia.

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The metabolism test I took made me more aware of how foods affect how I feel - before I got into Beyond Diet/DSP I wasn't totally aware of those things - Beyond Diet opened that up for me and for that alone it was worth the money I spent on the program.

Now I know I'm most likely not going to change anyone's mind, but since others have provided me with their opinions and research to back that up, I will provide my own. Before I do that, I will say this, personally I don't put much stock in most things on Wikipedia because most anyone can post information there; in fact, a lot of colleges won't allow students to cite it in light of the vast amount of inaccurate information contained there. Also, regardless of your opinions about Dr. Mercola, he is not the only doctor "advocating" metabolism typing. Here's a bit of my research:

Abravanel, E. D., & Morrison, E. K. (1983). " Body Type Diet and Lifetime Nutrition Plan". Batnam.
Mein, C., D.C. (2001). "Different Bodies, Different Diets". New York, NY: HarperCollins Publishers Inc.
Piatti, P. M., et al. (1994, December). "Hypocaloric High-Protein Diet Improves Glucose Oxidation and Spares Lean Body Mass: Comparision to Hypocaloric High-Carbohydrate Diet". Metabolism, Vol. 43 (12), 1481-87.
Price, W. A. (1945). "Nutrition and Physical Degeneartion: A Comparison of Primitive and Modern Diets and their Effects.” La Mesa, CA: Price Pottenger Foundation.
Rogers, W. J., PhD, (1956). "Biochemical Individuality". New York, NY: Wiley and Sons./ (1998). New Canaan, CT: Keats Publishing.
Schmid, R. F., N.D. (1987). "Native Nutrition: Eating According to Ancestral Wisdom". Rochester, NY: Healing Arts Press.
Westphal, S. A., et al. (1990, December). "Metabolic Response to Glucose Ingested with Various Amounts of Protein". American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol 52, 267-72.
Wolcott, W. L. (1983,). "A Theoretical Model for Clinical Application of the Relationship Between the Autonomic Nervous System and the Oxidative Rate in the Determination of Metabolic Types and the Requirements of Nutritional Individuality" Metabolic Technology I. International Health Institute,
Wolcott, William, and Trish Fahey (2000). The Metabolic Typing Diet. New York, NY: Doubleday.

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"I know if I eat carbs for breakfast (oatmeal, etc.) I will be hungry in an hour, but if I eat a couple of eggs and a piece of fruit, I stay satisfied for 3-4 hours. I also know if I don't eat protein regularly I get a headache and feel irritable."


You don't have to pay money or have a metabolism test to get info on what to eat for breakfast.


This article gives similar advise:

Whole-egg or egg white omelets with fresh or frozen veggies (carrots, broccoli, celery, peppers, onions and even black beans make great additions)
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Thanks Tikimami!

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MISSSVJS, A good place to start on the dubiousness of Metabolic Typing is Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_typing

First of all, it was invented by a dentist. I love dentists, my sister in law is one, but that is like me making up some sort of metabolism-related claim just because I have a Dr. in front of my name.

Second, I will just quote directly:

"Metabolic typing claims to use common visible symptoms related to the skin, eyes, and other superficial parts of the body to assess different aspects of a person's metabolism and categorize them into broad metabolic types. In addition, some proponents of metabolic typing use tests such as hair analysis to determine a person's "metabolic type""

You do understand that there is absolutely no science to support this, right? That such things are not based on any controlled scientific study whatsoever? Just because someone who wants to sell you a book uses this, doesn't make it real.

"The Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center website notes that "...retrospective reviews of the Gerson, Kelley, and Contreras metabolic therapies show no evidence of efficacy."

"Some metabolic typing companies use a battery of blood and urine tests performed by reputable laboratories, but interpret the results in an unconventional and medically questionable fashion. During a 1985 investigation into one such firm, an investigator sent 2 separate samples of his own blood and urine for analysis. He received 2 drastically different "metabolic typing" reports and dietary plans."

Okay, so actual doctors, looking at a complete picture of all anecdotal and actual research into the idea of a metabolic type or metabolic type based therapy say that it isn't effective and the whole deal is based on medically questionable readings of real scientific tests.

Next off, just google: "Does Metabolic Typing Work" and you will find pretty much no one reputable who will answer yes. To quote one article I found: "Having particular sensitivities to foods or preferences for foods doesn’t equate with the need for a different macronutrient composition in your diet." Heck, even alternative medicine and crazy homeopathy websites think it really isn't supported by anything at all.

Moving forward, you say that metabolic typing is used by real doctors, however I took a cruise around Pubmed www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed and found no papers supporting metabolic typing. I have done the following searches on google and come up with nothing:
Metabolic typing scientific study
Metabolic typing peer reviewed
Metabolic type peer reviewed study

Etc. etc.

Apparently the main person who pushes metabolic typing is a Dr Joe Mercola:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola Among other bits of insanity, Mercola questions whether HIV causes AIDS, rather that AIDS comes from "psychological stress". He is against all prescription drugs and immunizations and believes that sunscreen increases the likelihood of skin cancer. etc. etc.

If you have anything scientific or even a little bit reputable, I would love to see it.



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Well I didn't know I would need to spell out the entire program to prove it's worth the investment for some people, but here goes. Beyond Diet/Diet Solution Program includes a quick start guide which is an easy-to-understand summary of the program for folks wanting to get going right away, more in-depth information is contained in the full manual, 14 days of meal plans while you learn the program, the metabolism type test along with meal plans based on that type (including vegetarian meal plans), helps you determine your daily caloric needs, offers tons of recipes, a success journal on the website to track daily food intact and exercise, along with online support including daily newsletters, and lots of other great nutritional and lifestyle information.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into buying the program, but since someone specifically asked about it, I thought I would contribute my experience with the program.

Would you please cite your sources to back up your statement that the metabolism test is "entirely made up/impossible"? Medical doctors and nutrition pioneers have used metabolism typing for decades. It has helped people not only experience dramatic weight loss but also overcome severe chronic disease, obesity, and other serious disorders.

From my own personal experience, I took the test and tested as a protein type. This makes perfect sense to me since I know if I eat carbs for breakfast (oatmeal, etc.) I will be hungry in an hour, but if I eat a couple of eggs and a piece of fruit, I stay satisfied for 3-4 hours. I also know if I don't eat protein regularly I get a headache and feel irritable. Now this doesn't mean I don't eat carbs, I do, I just eat more protein than carbs along with good healthy fats (organic coconut oil, EVOO, organic and/or raw butter, raw cheese). I also know if I eat a high carb lower protein diet I gain weight and I feel bloated and lethargic but if I eat a high protein lower carb diet I either maintain or lose, I'm not bloated and I have tons of energy.

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"It's about consuming whole foods - organic when possible; grass fed meats, free range chicken, cage-free eggs, etc"
This is available free through both the internet and a variety of really wonderful books written by real doctors and experts. They are available at every library. I can offer you a list.

"take the metabolism test to determine if you are a protein type, carb type or mixed type"
That is entirely made up/impossible.

I'm trying to understand paying $50 for this. It sounds like what I walked away with reading a couple Michael Polan books, watching some videos on netflix, and joining the local natural food co op. Frankly, it was remarkably easy and my fella and I are *much* healthier and happier for it. $50 for something that only takes a trip to the library and a couple hours reading time?





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I purchased the program a little over a year ago (t's also called Diet Solution Program). It's definitely NOT a rip-off. I think the problem people have experienced is a lack of understanding that the program is a downloadable program for the price advertised (seems like it's around $50), but if you want them to send you the actual books, there's an extra charge for that.

As far as the program itself, it is awesome! I'ts not a diet - it's a way of life. It teaches you a way of eating that can sustain you for the rest of your life. It's about consuming whole foods - organic when possible; grass fed meats, free range chicken, cage-free eggs, etc. After reading the material, the first thing you do before starting the program is to take the metabolism test to determine if you are a protein type, carb type or mixed type. The website offers respectful support, tips, newsletters, recipes, etc. It takes some folks a while to wrap their heads around the whole program, but people report feeling much better while losing substantial amounts of weight - getting themselves off of medications, controlling diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. Personally I follow it as a way of maintaining my weight, which was my main purpose of purchasing the program. If I need to lose a few pounds, I simply follow it a bit more strictly. I honestly don't think there's a healthier way of eating than this plan.

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That's what I was wondering. Thanks!

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I don't know anything about the diet itself, but when I googled it there are a lot of hits on scambook.com which is a website that reports complaints of patrons of online purchases. Several people report having purchased the materials from the site (for various prices which is strange) but are not able to log-in or access the materials. Looks like it's a ripoff!! BEWARE!

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I just read about it online and it sounds like it has some reasonable concepts. It costs money but not a whole lot. Has anyone done this? Any success or tips?

Height: 5' 11"
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Currently working and going to grad school. Given my stress level and time constraints (and with my doctor's blessing), I'm not trying to lose a lot of weight, just be healthy and not gain. Once I get my degree I'll pick things up again.



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