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7/3/15 6:00 P

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I've been a WW member since July 2014.
I loved the filling and healthy approach but find I eat way too much fruit, salad and vegetables (0pp food)/
I switched back to SP and started losing weight again, slowly. I still attend the WW meeting for the weigh in and motivational talk. My leader knows I am calorie counting and is supportive.

I have increased my exercise lately and last week I had a 1.5 lb gain after staying the same the week before. I understand all about how exercise can gain weight but I have found it very demotivating.

Although I am exercising a lot more I have kept my calorie intake the same. I am in 12,000- 15,500 range and I try to stay around 12 - 13,000 daily.

I am also wondering if it might work to use SP Monday to Friday and WW filling and healthy approach at weekends where I could be a bit more flexible with social family events. My WW leader says I am able to do this and that I could even split my weekly 49 points down to daily points to use 14 if I wanted to at the weekend.

I may also reduce the amount of daily exercise I do.

Sometimes this can feel like so much hard work for no return.

Has any one tried similar to this? what are your thoughts?

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6/10/15 7:09 P

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5/7/15 12:15 A

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Canned veggies are zero points but I hear people saying that they rinse them to reduce sodium if there's salt as an ingredient.

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5/6/15 8:11 P

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The snacks they were eating and bragging about weren't WW snacks. A couple of them were eating ice cream for dinner and cakes, chips, etc.
Those were their meals. Some weren't even eating three meals. When I commented on their choices they spent a day making rude comments about me in private messages. Another member sent me a private msg telling me that she also didn't agree with how they were basically mocking the entire WW program and me she said she left the group.
I think they only way they were losing weight had to be because they were eating so badly before they started tracking.



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5/6/15 3:16 P

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I am a WW lifetime member. Been through it several times. It does work but when I stop going I always gain it back. I am finally back down within 2 lbs. of my goal weight but am completely stuck now. I know that all vegetables are supposed to be zero points now, but does that include canned veggies? I have always figured out the points for them based on the nutrition labels, but now I'm wondering if I'm not supposed to, so I am not eating enough. Any input would help. Thanks!



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4/28/15 3:31 P

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I do both. I don't buy the actual WW products, I like to use my points towards real food. I like the point system better than counting calories. I love the spark community and resources. I feel like using both is helping me learn to eat and make better food choices. It's a learning process for me but as of the morning i'm down 10lbs. I only use WW online because their is no meeting in my town :( but Ive got a couple of co workers to join with me so it's nice to have that as well, we keep each other in check.



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4/28/15 2:47 P

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Whatever works for a person I say.

Free resources that have produced results works for me, so SparkPeople it is.



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4/28/15 1:29 P

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My husband loves those WW snacks and he's not even 'on a diet' (they do tend to be high in fiber). I don't have a sweet tooth so they don't really tempt me.

'They were still within their points ranges. Some were actually losing weight but it makes you wonder how the long-term would be.'

Whatever diet you can stay on forever is what the long-term is.

And 'diet'? It's the collection of those items you ingest for nutrition. That means if you don't ever think of what you eat at all and eat random things, you have a 'diet' of random stuff.

So you will be long-term 'on' some kind of diet or even a variety of different 'diets,' some of which are very restrictive, some very random, some dictated by health problems. But you WILL have a personal diet that can be described to a dietician at some point, and by looking at an accurate record of food you eat.

If you make a weight loss plan work for you and it's flexible enough to bend with changing circumstances, it's going to be a successful strategy for you to lose weight and keep it off.

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4/28/15 11:18 A

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Back when I was on the WW exchange program I was even happy eating that rubber cheese on sawdust bread.
Maybe that's why it doesn't work anymore. I've been eating real food instead of those substitutes.

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4/28/15 11:12 A

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Those Weight Watchers snacks are nasty. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I only eat real food. Even on WW



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4/27/15 1:17 P

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I used to be in a Yahoo group for WW members - still am, just don't participate - and the women on there would eat whatever they wanted which was a whole lot of nasty stuff - mostly desserts and snacks.
They were still within their points ranges. Some were actually losing weight but it makes you wonder how the long-term would be.



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4/27/15 12:36 P

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I switched WW for SP last September. For me it is much more reasonable SP. Getting to control carbohydrates, protein, fat gives more peace of mind that the WW's points.



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4/26/15 12:54 P

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I do both. What I find is even when I go over my points by a couple, according to Spark, I'm usually still right around 1200 calories. I may stop WW one day when I'm closer to goal simply because I love the Spark community!

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4/25/15 10:19 A

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When I was a WW Leader I was obsessed with the exchanges, tracking, and a minimum of two hours of exercise each day.
That was my only way of maintaining. When I went back to work full time and the exercise obsession had to cease my weight has come back no matter what I do.
I'm not going to become that obsessive person again. That was exhausting in itself. At my last physical in September I was given a good score for a 57 year old - nothing wrong with me - just slightly over my weigh limit according to the charts. Since then, though, another 5 pounds have found me and they just will not get lost.
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4/24/15 9:27 A

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There are people who do Online Weight Watchers only. I like the meetings, the weigh-in (the only one I trust) and the accountability.

There are WW apps and some people track from their phones - I don't. I track online. Some people use paper, the old-fashioned way of tracking.



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4/24/15 12:05 A

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I did quite well with WW when I was younger and maintained. But my life changed and I found that it no longer worked with my schedule or budget. Over the years, different program variations came along but bottom line, I needed something more. SP has helped give me an outlet for sharing at my convenience, and at length. I enjoy being able to log on in the middle of the night if I need to, or taking my time, or just logging in quickly from work to track.

Both have their place but for now - at this stage in my life - SP is it.

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4/23/15 2:45 P

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I didn't sign up for WW when the leaders were here yesterday. The last four times I did I gained weight. Actually, the only WW program that did work for me was the old exchange program and I couldn't go any higher than the first level. When I tried maintenance the weight started coming back on.



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4/23/15 1:33 P

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I would like to know why the points system is stupid?

The old points system uses an equation of calories, fat and fiber. To determine points.

The new points system uses an equation of fat, carbohydrates, fiber and protein. To determine points.

It's sort of like Spark People, in that regard. I find it easier than Spark People I can be in the grocery store and think in terms of one number. Instead of four. It also encourages me to eat veggies and fruit. They are 0 points. Although I only have two servings of fruit a day. I also eat healthier more calorie dense items. Since they are often zero points or few points.



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4/20/15 1:15 P

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I am going to do just that. It took me two months to get my health insurance all straight after my husband's employer switched. I am now allowed to see my own doctor.
What an ordeal that was. They had to "investigate" to see if I was under any treatment for a pre-existing condition before they would allow me to see the only doctor I've been to in the last 4 years.




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4/20/15 12:52 P

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ReddevilTJ, can you ask your doctor to have the full panel of thyroid tests done? The information would be useful.

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4/20/15 12:47 P

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Weigth Watchers point system is stupid.

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4/20/15 12:35 P

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Last September I had my yearly physical complete with the basic bloodwork. I spoke to my doctor then about the constant weight gain. When I was weighed that day I was the same as I was on my previous physical. Coincidental, I think.
In between the two physicals, according to my sparkpeople chart, I went up and down within a 10-lb range more than once.
She suggested that I watch what I eat. Now, anyone who knows me knows that's already the case since I've been dealing with this my entire life. I cannot cut out any sugary drinks, fast foods, snack items, deserts, etc. if I don't consume them in the first place.
I've been cursed. It's the way it's always been.
My maternal grandmother had thyroid troubles, my mom's sister did, several female cousins have and my youngest sister does as does my oldest daughter.
My doctor didn't find anything wrong with my levels, but, after my dog being diagnosed I've learned a lot about those blood tests. You need to have the full panel done, not just the basic test.
Yes, even our 10 year old dog is on thyroid medications. My dog Millie got so weak one day she couldn't stand up. They thought she hurt herself. Turns out her thyroid was so bad that one day she just couldn't go on. After two years of testing and adjusting medications she's good and stable. Her fur is full and soft and she's at her ideal weight.
Who would have thought?




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4/20/15 12:25 P

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Thyroid problems WILL cloud your results, no matter what diet you are on...

If you're not seeing good results from your efforts, it's not good for your motivation. Which makes a huge difference in any diet!

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4/20/15 9:45 A

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We have the At Work program here in 6-week sessions. HAP offers the option to join one of these sessions for $25. The next session starts in May so the leader told me to stop by this week when she's here and we'll sign me up.

I'm not sure it will do anything for me since it didn't before. Lately, the more I exercise and the more I log and the more I cut back the more I gain.

It's highly possible that my thyroid needs attention again now that I'm in that post-menopausal time of life. I stopped taking my thyroid meds years ago when I got tired of the blood tests.




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4/19/15 7:02 A

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same here!

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1/13/15 1:22 P

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I think that both have their good points. And both can work when used properly



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1/13/15 1:16 P

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It's never bothered me that the program changes. For me, the changes have just made it easier - and the changes have been to make the program easier. I still have my little slide ruler thingy if I want to use the old points system instead of the newer points plus (but I don't think I would want to give up the free veggies and fruits).

That said, I could sit in on the program basics talk that the leader gives after each meeting for the newbies or people who need a refresher - every week. That's a benefit, the website tracking tools and recipes and recipe builder, etc. - that's what I'm paying for. I have all my old WW brochures from every meeting - all the portion control, behavior modification tips, positive self-talk, etc. - and they haven't changed. Last week's talk about portion control was a topic I've heard before, but not with this leader, at my age now, with an empty nest, with a move vegetarian diet, etc., and with this group of members (we are a pretty faithful group!) So, that's what you pay for, IMO.

I pass up the activity points monitor thingy and I don't buy the products. The cookbooks are extremely tempting - yet, I have an old WW cookbook that has stood up extremely well over time, so I don't need another. Yet, they do look really good to me.

I do fine on the old points system, but the new points plus and Simply Filling are very good. The website is something I can't escape - you calculate points plus on it and my weight is there, indelibly deposited there by my weigh in (it registers there from the computer and scale at the meeting.)

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Weight Watchers, Inc. is a for profit business. The price we pay to go to meetings include salaries, materials, rent for meetings, as well as all the overhead you expect to see in a huge corporation.
I kept my weight off first by working for them (gain the weight, you don't work there). Then kept it off by practicing the program each day. It wasn't until there were 2 deaths in my immediate family that I fell off the wagon.
This is the first time I've tried to lose weight using the online program. So far, it's kinda fun, using the tracker to compute points and see if I've been recording it right in the past.
I think they change the program for 2 reasons. 1) science changes - like being able to count all liquids towards the 6 total, instead of half being water; 2) to stay out in front of the competition.
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1/13/15 11:18 A

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I did WW three times - once online and two in meetings. I did lose weight. I want to be able to do this on my own. Like any other weight loss program -- once off of it most people gain the weight back. I did. Besides the high cost, the other things I did not like about WW is they changed their program a lot because of some new thinking or science behind it, they sold their one and two point snack foods and candies at the meeting, and I never could figure out what you get for the priced you pay per month besides going to a weekly meeting.

Doing it on my own I have lost weight also.

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1/13/15 9:30 A

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I have successfully lost weight on WW--repeatedly! I agree with no free foods--when I started using Spark and logged the calories in the fruit and veggies I was eating it could add up to 200 calories!! A medium apple is over 100--still an awesome snack, but needs to be counted.

I find WW is much more successful if you go to meetings and actually weigh in--I currently live in a small, rural town that the closest meeting is 80 miles away. That is when I found Spark People--its free and it has a fantastic app and website. I like the app better than the WW app. I am doing better at doing this on my own with Spark People.



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1/13/15 9:21 A

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I've been on one diet or another my whole adult life. This year I am no longer dieting, I am changing my habits. Sparkpeople is the best at helping me develop new habits and sticking to them. I try to log in every morning first thing. That way I plan out my entire day, leaving no room for old habits to creep back in. Thanks Sparkpeople!



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1/12/15 4:55 P

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Good to get replies I find this realy helps keeps me motivated. Hope you all had a good day

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That's not a new thing - I have some old WW handouts that describe that kind of 'intuitive' limit-setting, Listening to your body is a part of the Simply Filling way of eating that keeps you in your range of points plus without counting.

It is low-fat, it is higher-fiber (look at the power foods and make up a few mix-and-match meals and you will see it). You'll lose weight without counting (it's been a successful choice for many, judging from the talk at my WW) - I prefer tracking. That's just me.

(My tummy says, 'bring it on' if it's a flavor combo I particularly like! That usually is salty, savory, with fat... Eating fruits and vegetables, plain, that 'full now, thank you' message is lots clearer to me.)



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I regained more of my original weight loss (124 lbs) than I wanted, so I am losing again and using the point system. When I worked for WW they always wanted us to let our tummy tell us when we'd had enough food - which is what the current new "thing" is. I proved to myself over and over that my tummy just keeps saying "bring it on".
I did join WW online because of their 3 month special. I had never tracked online and I wanted to try that. They also now add the information from my fitbit. I can't figure out what the number they added means, but it's holding my interest for now.
Keep posting - it helps to talk to other "losers" (in the best meaning of the word)

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hi algebragirl
i joined www lost 3 stone with in few months, loosing every week till it was asked to try new full healthy plan i stayed same one week lost next put on next i left can could nor afford it and continued with point plan and continued to lose .

now due to neglecting the plan creeping back to may old ways of skipping meals and putting back on a stone
i am back tracking but back on here as it has been a big help
i track meals exercise and the can put total daily point have found a free app and still have my calculate would be lovely if i could find other on here doing same as myself


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I agree that no food is 'free' in the sense that all foods have calories - unless it' just pure water.

I like plain veggies (seasoned but without fat) and eating 'free' veggies and fruits has gotten me through some tough times when I 'overspent' my allowance of points plus.

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You can also use the points calculator, and the shopping book. The shop book says you can have 2 tsp of butter for 1 point. 1 tsp of regular butter for 1 point. I really like the butter made with olive oil, and like that I can have 2x as much in my one point. If you only do ww online, I don't know if you have access to those.
However, if you only have a tsp of butter and always count it as zero points, I don't think it would be so bad. My problem would be eyeballing the tsp - I would probably be up to a TBSP still calling it zero points. lol

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It's hard to compare WW and SP because freggies are "free" under WW. When they went to that method, the points went from 21 to 26. Calculating my freggies for a few days, they do not equal 5 p. So 26 p would be a lot to eat. Many of my WW friends say they can't lose if they eat all the 26 p.

Really, no food is free. It all counts and that's the way I like it. And SP gives me a lot more nutritional information.

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I only weigh in at WW - I don't trust other scales, even the scales in the doctor's office (I don't think they even have to be precise there, anyway). I think it was only in the early days of WW that anyone weighed so that other people could see the weight.

With digital scales, and especially the WW scale that reports the results directly to the website to be stored in your private tracker, there's no one to 'witness' your weight but the person behind a (usually protected) counter. After the holidays, I was expecting to regain some of the weight I lost - and I did - but only 2 pounds.

The person who handled my weigh-in was very discreet and only said, 'You're up a bit....' I was pleasantly surprised that it was only a few pounds.

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I too am a WW Lifetime member. I first joined back in 1985 before having my 1st daughter. After my 2nd daughter was born I lost the 30 lbs. and kept it off for about 8 years. That was with the Exchange program. I also worked for WW as a Leader for a short time before going back to school and moving into the auto industry.
The Exchange program is the only WW plan that has worked for me. With SP I have my daily totals set up for the recommended grams of fat, protein, fiber, and carbs and I just aim to somewhere in the ranges. The calories really don't matter all that much if you're sticking to a range since it all works out. Most of the time I'm short on protein since I'm not a big meat eater.
Right now I'm striving to get away from those processed foods and foods with artificial ingredients and additives. It's back to the basics and back to making my own breads. It's going to be tough to give up those tasty meal replacement bars, but, after I read the ingredients in that small print I won't be buying any more.




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I have been to WW many times in my lifetime. As I see it when you're ready to lose weight you will. I just quit WW last month, and re-joined SparkPeople. I find SparkPeople has much more information and user friendly than WW. Therefore, I will say it's SP for me in 2015!!! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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I too, am a lifer with WW but while the program was great back in the day when I was an active member, it did not have the benefits of SPARK. The volume of information here, the kind people who become friends when you least expect it are all great gifts. At the end of the day the journey to health, weight and wellness is personal and you have to be honest with yourself. Weighing at home versus weighing in at WW is 6 of one and half dozen of the other if you are really wanting to move forward with a healthy lifestyle. We have such a terrible tendency to become slaves to FEAR versus GAIN. Fear of weighing in, in front of other people may keep you on track but it will fade in the longer term. GAIN of health, pride in accomplishments and success will last a life time with or without anyone seeing what you lost this week. Good luck..



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I track on the WW site. How do you know that a food has a certain number of points unless you can calculate online? I found out recently that a very small amount of butter has no points when I calculate it. True, it's a ridiculously small amount of butter, but still-!

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i'm a lifetime ww member, but not feeling inspired there right now. I thought I'd give SP a try. Basic first question - is there a way to use the food tracker to keep track of points? Or a different tracker? I've ben keeping track of points over 10 years and would rather stick to that. Thanks.

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When you peel vegetables - if you do - wash them well and make a vegetable stock from the peelings and the odd bits! You get a lovely color from onion skins.

It surprises me that the supermarket shelf has mushroom stock and vegetable stock in boxes, offered along with meat and seafood stocks. What about carrot stock? Tomato stock? There are so many possibilities. AND the stock you make is low in sodium and low in fat.



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I used to be on WW but am now on Spark people. Some hints for eating more vegetables...I buy loose, raw carrots and eat one or two as a snack. Cabbage lasts a long time and you can steam it or make it into a curry. If you cook stews add vegetables to them ...carrots, turnips, onions, peas, green beans etc.
I like using those bagged greens as well but they are expensive and don't last long. So I get them once in a while and sue them fast.
Pumpkin and eggplant are easy to grill and tsate great.
Right now in the fridge I have a cabbage curry, okra curry, 2 cucumbers and loose carrots. I also have fresh tomatoes, onions and potatoes and frozen spinach. We shop on the weekends and the vegatbales last at least a week.
You don't need to peel beets, just wash and scrub them. I don't bother peeling most vegtables as the vitamins are near the skin. You could put some frozen vegetables in the freezer section of your fridge.
Making a big dinner salad always seems to be a lot of work but is a nice thing to order when you eat out. I sometimes get a big Cobb salad at my neighborhood diner sans the croutons, bacon and onions. It's a lot of veggies and chicken and tastes great.
Good luck.

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I did em both simultaneously - whatever works for you



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ALGEBRAGIRL, great response!

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SparkPeople is my anchor. Weight Watchers gives me human beings to sit with and be with. I need both.



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I learned to cook healthy fresh and frozen foods from Weight Watchers but I have a lot of weight to lose and I could never lose it eating Weight Watchers. Spark people is cheaper and easier to lose weight because you are actually counting calories and other things. I try to stay on target with spark people I really prefer it to Weight Watchers.



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