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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,919
5/7/15 12:15 A

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Canned veggies are zero points but I hear people saying that they rinse them to reduce sodium if there's salt as an ingredient.

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5/6/15 8:11 P

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The snacks they were eating and bragging about weren't WW snacks. A couple of them were eating ice cream for dinner and cakes, chips, etc.
Those were their meals. Some weren't even eating three meals. When I commented on their choices they spent a day making rude comments about me in private messages. Another member sent me a private msg telling me that she also didn't agree with how they were basically mocking the entire WW program and me she said she left the group.
I think they only way they were losing weight had to be because they were eating so badly before they started tracking.



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5/6/15 3:16 P

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I am a WW lifetime member. Been through it several times. It does work but when I stop going I always gain it back. I am finally back down within 2 lbs. of my goal weight but am completely stuck now. I know that all vegetables are supposed to be zero points now, but does that include canned veggies? I have always figured out the points for them based on the nutrition labels, but now I'm wondering if I'm not supposed to, so I am not eating enough. Any input would help. Thanks!



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4/28/15 3:31 P

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I do both. I don't buy the actual WW products, I like to use my points towards real food. I like the point system better than counting calories. I love the spark community and resources. I feel like using both is helping me learn to eat and make better food choices. It's a learning process for me but as of the morning i'm down 10lbs. I only use WW online because their is no meeting in my town :( but Ive got a couple of co workers to join with me so it's nice to have that as well, we keep each other in check.



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4/28/15 2:47 P

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Whatever works for a person I say.

Free resources that have produced results works for me, so SparkPeople it is.



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4/28/15 1:29 P

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My husband loves those WW snacks and he's not even 'on a diet' (they do tend to be high in fiber). I don't have a sweet tooth so they don't really tempt me.

'They were still within their points ranges. Some were actually losing weight but it makes you wonder how the long-term would be.'

Whatever diet you can stay on forever is what the long-term is.

And 'diet'? It's the collection of those items you ingest for nutrition. That means if you don't ever think of what you eat at all and eat random things, you have a 'diet' of random stuff.

So you will be long-term 'on' some kind of diet or even a variety of different 'diets,' some of which are very restrictive, some very random, some dictated by health problems. But you WILL have a personal diet that can be described to a dietician at some point, and by looking at an accurate record of food you eat.

If you make a weight loss plan work for you and it's flexible enough to bend with changing circumstances, it's going to be a successful strategy for you to lose weight and keep it off.

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4/28/15 11:18 A

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Back when I was on the WW exchange program I was even happy eating that rubber cheese on sawdust bread.
Maybe that's why it doesn't work anymore. I've been eating real food instead of those substitutes.

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4/28/15 11:12 A

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Those Weight Watchers snacks are nasty. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I only eat real food. Even on WW



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4/27/15 1:17 P

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I used to be in a Yahoo group for WW members - still am, just don't participate - and the women on there would eat whatever they wanted which was a whole lot of nasty stuff - mostly desserts and snacks.
They were still within their points ranges. Some were actually losing weight but it makes you wonder how the long-term would be.



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4/27/15 12:36 P

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I switched WW for SP last September. For me it is much more reasonable SP. Getting to control carbohydrates, protein, fat gives more peace of mind that the WW's points.



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4/26/15 12:54 P

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I do both. What I find is even when I go over my points by a couple, according to Spark, I'm usually still right around 1200 calories. I may stop WW one day when I'm closer to goal simply because I love the Spark community!

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4/25/15 10:19 A

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When I was a WW Leader I was obsessed with the exchanges, tracking, and a minimum of two hours of exercise each day.
That was my only way of maintaining. When I went back to work full time and the exercise obsession had to cease my weight has come back no matter what I do.
I'm not going to become that obsessive person again. That was exhausting in itself. At my last physical in September I was given a good score for a 57 year old - nothing wrong with me - just slightly over my weigh limit according to the charts. Since then, though, another 5 pounds have found me and they just will not get lost.
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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,919
4/24/15 9:27 A

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There are people who do Online Weight Watchers only. I like the meetings, the weigh-in (the only one I trust) and the accountability.

There are WW apps and some people track from their phones - I don't. I track online. Some people use paper, the old-fashioned way of tracking.



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4/24/15 12:05 A

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I did quite well with WW when I was younger and maintained. But my life changed and I found that it no longer worked with my schedule or budget. Over the years, different program variations came along but bottom line, I needed something more. SP has helped give me an outlet for sharing at my convenience, and at length. I enjoy being able to log on in the middle of the night if I need to, or taking my time, or just logging in quickly from work to track.

Both have their place but for now - at this stage in my life - SP is it.

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4/23/15 2:45 P

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I didn't sign up for WW when the leaders were here yesterday. The last four times I did I gained weight. Actually, the only WW program that did work for me was the old exchange program and I couldn't go any higher than the first level. When I tried maintenance the weight started coming back on.



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4/23/15 1:33 P

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I would like to know why the points system is stupid?

The old points system uses an equation of calories, fat and fiber. To determine points.

The new points system uses an equation of fat, carbohydrates, fiber and protein. To determine points.

It's sort of like Spark People, in that regard. I find it easier than Spark People I can be in the grocery store and think in terms of one number. Instead of four. It also encourages me to eat veggies and fruit. They are 0 points. Although I only have two servings of fruit a day. I also eat healthier more calorie dense items. Since they are often zero points or few points.



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4/20/15 1:15 P

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I am going to do just that. It took me two months to get my health insurance all straight after my husband's employer switched. I am now allowed to see my own doctor.
What an ordeal that was. They had to "investigate" to see if I was under any treatment for a pre-existing condition before they would allow me to see the only doctor I've been to in the last 4 years.




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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,919
4/20/15 12:52 P

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ReddevilTJ, can you ask your doctor to have the full panel of thyroid tests done? The information would be useful.

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4/20/15 12:47 P

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Weigth Watchers point system is stupid.

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4/20/15 12:35 P

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Last September I had my yearly physical complete with the basic bloodwork. I spoke to my doctor then about the constant weight gain. When I was weighed that day I was the same as I was on my previous physical. Coincidental, I think.
In between the two physicals, according to my sparkpeople chart, I went up and down within a 10-lb range more than once.
She suggested that I watch what I eat. Now, anyone who knows me knows that's already the case since I've been dealing with this my entire life. I cannot cut out any sugary drinks, fast foods, snack items, deserts, etc. if I don't consume them in the first place.
I've been cursed. It's the way it's always been.
My maternal grandmother had thyroid troubles, my mom's sister did, several female cousins have and my youngest sister does as does my oldest daughter.
My doctor didn't find anything wrong with my levels, but, after my dog being diagnosed I've learned a lot about those blood tests. You need to have the full panel done, not just the basic test.
Yes, even our 10 year old dog is on thyroid medications. My dog Millie got so weak one day she couldn't stand up. They thought she hurt herself. Turns out her thyroid was so bad that one day she just couldn't go on. After two years of testing and adjusting medications she's good and stable. Her fur is full and soft and she's at her ideal weight.
Who would have thought?




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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,919
4/20/15 12:25 P

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Thyroid problems WILL cloud your results, no matter what diet you are on...

If you're not seeing good results from your efforts, it's not good for your motivation. Which makes a huge difference in any diet!

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4/20/15 9:45 A

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We have the At Work program here in 6-week sessions. HAP offers the option to join one of these sessions for $25. The next session starts in May so the leader told me to stop by this week when she's here and we'll sign me up.

I'm not sure it will do anything for me since it didn't before. Lately, the more I exercise and the more I log and the more I cut back the more I gain.

It's highly possible that my thyroid needs attention again now that I'm in that post-menopausal time of life. I stopped taking my thyroid meds years ago when I got tired of the blood tests.




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4/19/15 7:02 A

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same here!

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1/13/15 1:22 P

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I think that both have their good points. And both can work when used properly



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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,919
1/13/15 1:16 P

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It's never bothered me that the program changes. For me, the changes have just made it easier - and the changes have been to make the program easier. I still have my little slide ruler thingy if I want to use the old points system instead of the newer points plus (but I don't think I would want to give up the free veggies and fruits).

That said, I could sit in on the program basics talk that the leader gives after each meeting for the newbies or people who need a refresher - every week. That's a benefit, the website tracking tools and recipes and recipe builder, etc. - that's what I'm paying for. I have all my old WW brochures from every meeting - all the portion control, behavior modification tips, positive self-talk, etc. - and they haven't changed. Last week's talk about portion control was a topic I've heard before, but not with this leader, at my age now, with an empty nest, with a move vegetarian diet, etc., and with this group of members (we are a pretty faithful group!) So, that's what you pay for, IMO.

I pass up the activity points monitor thingy and I don't buy the products. The cookbooks are extremely tempting - yet, I have an old WW cookbook that has stood up extremely well over time, so I don't need another. Yet, they do look really good to me.

I do fine on the old points system, but the new points plus and Simply Filling are very good. The website is something I can't escape - you calculate points plus on it and my weight is there, indelibly deposited there by my weigh in (it registers there from the computer and scale at the meeting.)

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Weight Watchers, Inc. is a for profit business. The price we pay to go to meetings include salaries, materials, rent for meetings, as well as all the overhead you expect to see in a huge corporation.
I kept my weight off first by working for them (gain the weight, you don't work there). Then kept it off by practicing the program each day. It wasn't until there were 2 deaths in my immediate family that I fell off the wagon.
This is the first time I've tried to lose weight using the online program. So far, it's kinda fun, using the tracker to compute points and see if I've been recording it right in the past.
I think they change the program for 2 reasons. 1) science changes - like being able to count all liquids towards the 6 total, instead of half being water; 2) to stay out in front of the competition.
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1/13/15 11:18 A

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I did WW three times - once online and two in meetings. I did lose weight. I want to be able to do this on my own. Like any other weight loss program -- once off of it most people gain the weight back. I did. Besides the high cost, the other things I did not like about WW is they changed their program a lot because of some new thinking or science behind it, they sold their one and two point snack foods and candies at the meeting, and I never could figure out what you get for the priced you pay per month besides going to a weekly meeting.

Doing it on my own I have lost weight also.

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1/13/15 9:30 A

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I have successfully lost weight on WW--repeatedly! I agree with no free foods--when I started using Spark and logged the calories in the fruit and veggies I was eating it could add up to 200 calories!! A medium apple is over 100--still an awesome snack, but needs to be counted.

I find WW is much more successful if you go to meetings and actually weigh in--I currently live in a small, rural town that the closest meeting is 80 miles away. That is when I found Spark People--its free and it has a fantastic app and website. I like the app better than the WW app. I am doing better at doing this on my own with Spark People.



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I've been on one diet or another my whole adult life. This year I am no longer dieting, I am changing my habits. Sparkpeople is the best at helping me develop new habits and sticking to them. I try to log in every morning first thing. That way I plan out my entire day, leaving no room for old habits to creep back in. Thanks Sparkpeople!



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1/12/15 4:55 P

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Good to get replies I find this realy helps keeps me motivated. Hope you all had a good day

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1/12/15 12:09 P

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That's not a new thing - I have some old WW handouts that describe that kind of 'intuitive' limit-setting, Listening to your body is a part of the Simply Filling way of eating that keeps you in your range of points plus without counting.

It is low-fat, it is higher-fiber (look at the power foods and make up a few mix-and-match meals and you will see it). You'll lose weight without counting (it's been a successful choice for many, judging from the talk at my WW) - I prefer tracking. That's just me.

(My tummy says, 'bring it on' if it's a flavor combo I particularly like! That usually is salty, savory, with fat... Eating fruits and vegetables, plain, that 'full now, thank you' message is lots clearer to me.)



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I regained more of my original weight loss (124 lbs) than I wanted, so I am losing again and using the point system. When I worked for WW they always wanted us to let our tummy tell us when we'd had enough food - which is what the current new "thing" is. I proved to myself over and over that my tummy just keeps saying "bring it on".
I did join WW online because of their 3 month special. I had never tracked online and I wanted to try that. They also now add the information from my fitbit. I can't figure out what the number they added means, but it's holding my interest for now.
Keep posting - it helps to talk to other "losers" (in the best meaning of the word)

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hi algebragirl
i joined www lost 3 stone with in few months, loosing every week till it was asked to try new full healthy plan i stayed same one week lost next put on next i left can could nor afford it and continued with point plan and continued to lose .

now due to neglecting the plan creeping back to may old ways of skipping meals and putting back on a stone
i am back tracking but back on here as it has been a big help
i track meals exercise and the can put total daily point have found a free app and still have my calculate would be lovely if i could find other on here doing same as myself


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1/8/15 12:46 P

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I agree that no food is 'free' in the sense that all foods have calories - unless it' just pure water.

I like plain veggies (seasoned but without fat) and eating 'free' veggies and fruits has gotten me through some tough times when I 'overspent' my allowance of points plus.

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You can also use the points calculator, and the shopping book. The shop book says you can have 2 tsp of butter for 1 point. 1 tsp of regular butter for 1 point. I really like the butter made with olive oil, and like that I can have 2x as much in my one point. If you only do ww online, I don't know if you have access to those.
However, if you only have a tsp of butter and always count it as zero points, I don't think it would be so bad. My problem would be eyeballing the tsp - I would probably be up to a TBSP still calling it zero points. lol

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It's hard to compare WW and SP because freggies are "free" under WW. When they went to that method, the points went from 21 to 26. Calculating my freggies for a few days, they do not equal 5 p. So 26 p would be a lot to eat. Many of my WW friends say they can't lose if they eat all the 26 p.

Really, no food is free. It all counts and that's the way I like it. And SP gives me a lot more nutritional information.

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I only weigh in at WW - I don't trust other scales, even the scales in the doctor's office (I don't think they even have to be precise there, anyway). I think it was only in the early days of WW that anyone weighed so that other people could see the weight.

With digital scales, and especially the WW scale that reports the results directly to the website to be stored in your private tracker, there's no one to 'witness' your weight but the person behind a (usually protected) counter. After the holidays, I was expecting to regain some of the weight I lost - and I did - but only 2 pounds.

The person who handled my weigh-in was very discreet and only said, 'You're up a bit....' I was pleasantly surprised that it was only a few pounds.

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I too am a WW Lifetime member. I first joined back in 1985 before having my 1st daughter. After my 2nd daughter was born I lost the 30 lbs. and kept it off for about 8 years. That was with the Exchange program. I also worked for WW as a Leader for a short time before going back to school and moving into the auto industry.
The Exchange program is the only WW plan that has worked for me. With SP I have my daily totals set up for the recommended grams of fat, protein, fiber, and carbs and I just aim to somewhere in the ranges. The calories really don't matter all that much if you're sticking to a range since it all works out. Most of the time I'm short on protein since I'm not a big meat eater.
Right now I'm striving to get away from those processed foods and foods with artificial ingredients and additives. It's back to the basics and back to making my own breads. It's going to be tough to give up those tasty meal replacement bars, but, after I read the ingredients in that small print I won't be buying any more.




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I have been to WW many times in my lifetime. As I see it when you're ready to lose weight you will. I just quit WW last month, and re-joined SparkPeople. I find SparkPeople has much more information and user friendly than WW. Therefore, I will say it's SP for me in 2015!!! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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I too, am a lifer with WW but while the program was great back in the day when I was an active member, it did not have the benefits of SPARK. The volume of information here, the kind people who become friends when you least expect it are all great gifts. At the end of the day the journey to health, weight and wellness is personal and you have to be honest with yourself. Weighing at home versus weighing in at WW is 6 of one and half dozen of the other if you are really wanting to move forward with a healthy lifestyle. We have such a terrible tendency to become slaves to FEAR versus GAIN. Fear of weighing in, in front of other people may keep you on track but it will fade in the longer term. GAIN of health, pride in accomplishments and success will last a life time with or without anyone seeing what you lost this week. Good luck..



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I track on the WW site. How do you know that a food has a certain number of points unless you can calculate online? I found out recently that a very small amount of butter has no points when I calculate it. True, it's a ridiculously small amount of butter, but still-!

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i'm a lifetime ww member, but not feeling inspired there right now. I thought I'd give SP a try. Basic first question - is there a way to use the food tracker to keep track of points? Or a different tracker? I've ben keeping track of points over 10 years and would rather stick to that. Thanks.

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I am a avid WW but I need SP as well to maintain


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When you peel vegetables - if you do - wash them well and make a vegetable stock from the peelings and the odd bits! You get a lovely color from onion skins.

It surprises me that the supermarket shelf has mushroom stock and vegetable stock in boxes, offered along with meat and seafood stocks. What about carrot stock? Tomato stock? There are so many possibilities. AND the stock you make is low in sodium and low in fat.



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I used to be on WW but am now on Spark people. Some hints for eating more vegetables...I buy loose, raw carrots and eat one or two as a snack. Cabbage lasts a long time and you can steam it or make it into a curry. If you cook stews add vegetables to them ...carrots, turnips, onions, peas, green beans etc.
I like using those bagged greens as well but they are expensive and don't last long. So I get them once in a while and sue them fast.
Pumpkin and eggplant are easy to grill and tsate great.
Right now in the fridge I have a cabbage curry, okra curry, 2 cucumbers and loose carrots. I also have fresh tomatoes, onions and potatoes and frozen spinach. We shop on the weekends and the vegatbales last at least a week.
You don't need to peel beets, just wash and scrub them. I don't bother peeling most vegtables as the vitamins are near the skin. You could put some frozen vegetables in the freezer section of your fridge.
Making a big dinner salad always seems to be a lot of work but is a nice thing to order when you eat out. I sometimes get a big Cobb salad at my neighborhood diner sans the croutons, bacon and onions. It's a lot of veggies and chicken and tastes great.
Good luck.

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ALGEBRAGIRL, great response!

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I learned to cook healthy fresh and frozen foods from Weight Watchers but I have a lot of weight to lose and I could never lose it eating Weight Watchers. Spark people is cheaper and easier to lose weight because you are actually counting calories and other things. I try to stay on target with spark people I really prefer it to Weight Watchers.



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There are foods at Weight Watchers that don't add up to any points: fruits and vegetables. Are you talking about Simple Start, or Simply Filling? People seem to love those plans (they don't involve counting and it also allows you to eat until you are 'full' but not feeling stuffed). I do the Points Plus because I love veggies.

There are also the bonus points that you can use if you tend to 'go over' your limit. They are like a safety margin. You can't save them up from week to week. You have to use them during the week if you are going to use any of them because the number is reset when your new week starts. I use them up - at a restaurant meal, usually. If I don't go out for dinner, I just think of them as the buffer points that keep me on target.

I'd never complain about not having enough to eat - I don't try to 'translate' it to calories. The way they 'weight' the points, it pushes you toward more fiber, more protein, and less dense foods but high nutrition. However, everything is allowed. Halloween is coming up. Who in the world would expect some candy NOT to be eaten - but it does get counted. No Food Police attitudes. But you can discuss at a meeting what contributed to your weight gain, if you want, if you did gain weight in a week - it might be too much 'healthy' food (calories!) The leader would have to look at your food tracker and maybe other factors (medication?)

It's very difficult to 'game the system' and try to make Weight Watchers do anything more than what it is - a calorie reduction diet with physical activity. The Spark Diet does the same, and is balanced, so the only thing about Weight Watchers is its emphasis and support in person at meetings. And the cost! Whatever works for you.

At each Weight Watcher meeting, the leader has any new people (or people who just want to review or clarify understanding) meet after the main meeting in a small group with her (or him!) Simple Start has been so successful that they start newbies with it and then go on to Points Plus. And - because they are flexible, anyway (there are people who use the old Points still!) - if you want to start with counting Points Plus, you can do that too. No one forces you to only do one plan, even - some people flip back and forth because life changes and one works out better than the other.

What you can't do is try to mix and match features of all the different plans and then say you are following the program and expect guaranteed results. You can't do Simple Start (which doesn't count points, doesn't count, period- they just use readily accessible food to mix and match and make healthy meals) and then use those wonderful Bonus Points for a night out. If you can somehow manage to do that and lose weight, all the more power to you, but no one will ever tell you that you can count on that working steadily for your weight loss. You can't 'out-think' the plans and try to make them work differently.

When you think about it, you go to WW for the plans and the support and the commitment to stay on track with your weight loss. If you're not there for those reasons, why would you ever want to even be there?

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I signed up for WW and went to the first meeting but when I was counting points when I compared them to calories it seemed like they didn't meet the 1200 calorie level. Maybe it was just me but it didn't seem to have enough calories which is obviously why you lose the weight. I need to just get back to SP and get my act together and start doing what I need to do to lose weight. I am 60 years old so time is definitely not in my favor as far as losing weight. Good luck to all.

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Hello, I am back using SparkPeople but I am doing the weight watchers to. I use the old version and lost over 40lbs. Will not use the new version. I eat very healthy so the old version works for me. I know Weight Watchers changed the point system to make people eat healthier which is great but do not like the fact that there are no points in fruits. Many veggies already had a 0 point value. Most fruits are 1 or 2 points due to the calories. Not sure about the 360 version. Did not bother looking up once I was aware of the first changes. I like the fact I can eat whatever I want but I do know that eating healthy means you must limit certain things but eat as a once in awhile treat. Any way Weight Watchers works better for me but I use sparkpeople to for an more motivation. Oh I do the Weight Watchers on my own. I bought the book on Ebay and just followed it. No meetings can't afford. Spend my time and money for the gym earn more points that way.

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I've not done WW, but SP works for me.

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I will be doing the same I getting bore with point counting at weight watchers I am going to track here and still go to the meeting. emoticon

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Over the past couple of months, I've realized that I love Weight Watcher's meetings, but I don't like the plan itself.

I'm currently on a 3 months at 50% off deal for the monthly pass, and in March, I'm going to resign up with a 6 month deal. That way, I'll have meetings paid through September. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep tracking on here.

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I have no doubt that they get a commission from the products they sell that are available at meetings, usually at a table or shelf in the room. However, you can buy most (probably all) WW food products in the supermarket. They give out samples at the meetings, those that I've tried have been fine - but they are low in calories. I usually just stash the sample in my purse and eat it when I'm hungry while driving!

They tell you what the snack is and how many points plus it is (which is basically a calorie count modified to reflect fiber, fats, etc. in figuring out the value). I have never heard a hard sell.

If WW makes money via food products, it would be the frozen meals they have in supermarket freezers. Some of these are excellent. I have even seen a WW tuna salad sandwich packaged fresh at a deli counter, and it was delicious, like my mom would make when I was kid. I have looked for this and not found it again at my local supermarket (I saw it in a supermarket in a neighboring town).

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They get a commission for products they sell. I found after eating some of their snacks it made me ravenous and wanting more so I stopped buying certain things that had that effect.

Isn't it funny how all of a sudden you can look down at your stomach and wonder to yourself, "Who put that there"?


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Before points plus, there were just plain points. They gave you a little slide rule thingy that lined up a few things (fiber, for example) and then you read the resulting points. It was extremely easy to use because the information required was basic nutritional information.

You can still use that little slider rule thingy (whatever it's called), use the old plan with your old limit - WW is about support, motivation and problem-solving. Spark people offers the same, without a points system (which is essentially calories) but just doesn't have flesh and blood scheduled meetings like WW does.

There are some people at WW meetings who even like the old 'here's a list of what you can eat every day' type diet that WW started with. You counted servings. Some people still like that and WW leaders will say, 'fine, whatever you find easiest.' If you have that old list around, go for it. The very old list-type diet still works. It was/is balanced. People lost weight and still do lose weight on it. What has changed for WW, in my opinion, is the emphasis on exercise (walking is quite popular - my area has organized walks) and distilling the calories into points with emphasis shifted to vegetables and fruits.

WW has great cookbooks. Gotta say - look for them at local library book sales or get used copies on amazon. I like cookbooks that have just a few ingredients or vegetarian cookbooks. Then there are quick-cooking cookbooks and cook ahead cookbooks. WW has been around a long time. Lotsa cookbooks.



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Why does everything have to this VS. that? Why can't look at the healthy aspects of WW, and SP, and fit these healthy aspects of BOTH diets into our lives?

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 11/26/2013 (07:54)
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I was a member of WW for two years. I did lose; however, I regained every pound. I got extremely tired of counting points. If the points weren't listed, you had to calculate each item.In addition, many of the foods I would attempt to locate online for the points plus value were not listed. I have found that SparkPeople has everything listed. The message boards are friendlier and it is free! This website seems to have much more than the WW website. I'm sticking with SP!

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I have also done WW quite a few times. Last time (a few months ago) I coudn't stick with it, got discouraged, and gained about 10 pounds.

I like SP better, so far anyway, because I love the message boards, community, and articles.

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I like the WW tracking online. I usually end up making 'meals' that I use over and over again. The downfall of the current Points Plus system, I think, is not the free vegetables and fruits. Those are great. It's that the things that are NOT fruits and vegetables in a lot of cases have gone up in points values. This can be daunting.

The idea is to encourage people to eat more fruits and vegetables. Fine. It's REALLY hard to get that to happen. Just judging from my own household, I can look into the refrigerator and find exactly 3 fresh vegetable items. Everything else is leftovers, bottled items, dairy stuff, The fresh Brussels Sprouts will keep for quite a bit longer than the bagged lettuce that was so expensive and that my husband tries to stretch into two days. The second day, that lettuce really looks the worse for wear. Then he has some 'fresh' beets that came in a package - he can't buy the raw beets and peel, cook and store them, too messy and too expensive. If you're going to buy something pricey, at least use a coupon and get the convenience plus a lower price - that's his method of shopping.

To really enjoy the fresh clean taste of the 'free vegetables and fruits' bonus WW gives you, I'd have to go to the supermarket daily and buy enough so I'm not dealing with food rot. I'd have to throw out all those condiments - I can do that, but my husband would take some convincing. I'd have to make my entree simpler and really load up on those lovely fresh veggies (hey, a nice big freezer would help for plain frozen vegetables on sale - I don't have a freezer!)

The intent of WW is great. It's healthy great stuff. They lay it all out for you. But putting it into practice is another thing.

P.S. Of course my husband can buy the raw beets and clean and cook them. But he's just not gonna!

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I recently did WW Online as well and had a little success with it, but I'm switching to Sparkpeople because this is free and from what I've seen so far the software is much better.

I think WW making fruits and vegetables "free" is a really bad idea because if people by and large had "common sense" and could just use portion control then they wouldn't need to quantify their food by points and wouldn't have to be on WW in the first place. Maybe this worked for some people but I've noticed a lot of people on the WW boards and just in doing searches on Google complaining about how the latest version of WW "gives them too many points" and they aren't losing weight. I suspect many of them are gaming the system by over-eating on bananas and things like that. I know I had to watch out for that myself.



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I have done WW several times before and did lose weight. However emoticon because of the community and support, that is something that I never felt at WW. They say that they support you, but I have never felt support like I do from my spark friends. emoticon

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Thanks LDHAWKE. I posted a couple of times in the WW forums -- never again. Meanies there. Lol

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Kim, go to the Recipe Review Board. We are a heck of lot friendlier than folks on those other boards.



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I joined WW a few weeks ago and have lost 4 lbs. I am enjoying counting points rather than calories. I tracked on My Fitness Pal for two months before WW and never lost an ounce.

But I will say that the community here is MUCH friendlier than the one at WW's. I find those boards to be sometimes downright hostile! :-O

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That is what I have told my sister but she has always said that she doesn't eat enough for it to count.

To my mine, lets say a pear is 40 cals and a an orange it is another 40. Add to this a salad of 125 you are talking of over 200 cals. Free with WW but 200 cals with SP



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When WW announced that fruit was free, it turned into a free-for-all!

Fruit is free up to a point and each individual has to control that point.

If you find that you are gaining weight during weeks you gorge yourself on fruit, thinking it is free, then you need to start to record your fruit intake. You are eating too much fruit.

If you are losing weight while eating fruit that you are not recording then kudos to you! You are doing the right thing.

Weight Watchers claim that "fruit is free" is not a "free for all."

Use your common sense and monitor what you are eating on a daily basis.



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I have not tried it myself but I know a few who have. Most don't seem to stick to it and put the weigh back on. My sister is with WW and is now having trouble loosing any weight at all and she is sticking to her points.

I don't believe that she get the support that I have on SP. I am not say that is true but the way that is seems to me.

I am lucky as I am at my goal with all the help I got every day on SP.


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I think making fruit unlimited on WW is dangerous. I like that spark counts all calories. That's really what works best for me.

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weight watcher works but find the points annoying
cuves works as does jenny craig
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If you follow the program, Weight Watchers obviously works -- it has worked for me in the past. But what I found most inconvenient was always calculating points. I like the SparkPeople approach of tracking calories/fat/carbs/protein, etc. and staying within those guidelines. It's easy for me to pick something up off the grocery shelf or out of the pantry and decide if it's something that fits into my "diet" for the day. I use "diet" because I don't see either WW or SparkPeople being diets, but more lifestyle changes. No matter what path you choose, you have to be committed to healthy living, eating a sensible, balanced diet, and exercising more.

Plus, I didn't see the sense in paying the WW Online fees when I get everything that I need to be successful on the SparkPeople website, or the iPhone and iPad apps.

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I have done WW a few different times and for it just did not work out. I have type 1 diabetes and between counting points, counting carbs, and doing my insulin the numbers just got to be too much. I have found that just by counting calories here on SP and inputting it into the calorie tracker I get an accurate number of carbs making my life a lot easier. I also didn't feel as supported in the group meetings as I do here. I can check in on a daily basis here. WW it was basically just once a week. Everyone has their own way of doing things, but SP just works much better for me.

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I joined WW last month. So far so good. 3.2kg in 3 weeks is not too bad. Find the program easy enough. Much better than a previous weight loss programme where I had to weigh each and every bite. So I am not able to make a valid comparison. But I see a bubbling community here with SparkPeople and WW does not have that. Whatever we do that works for us is fantastic. I like being with like minded people. And no matter the program that I follow I hope I can find the support of others and implement good ideas and habits from here. It all starts with the mind. And when it is in order I know the weight will drop off. emoticon

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Weight watchers is my old standby. I enjoy the meetings and the ease of counting points and tracking on their system. I find the nutrition tracker here very cumbersome. I think if I spent the time putting in my favorites, I could get used to it but I prefer the WW tracker and point system to calorie counting. I also use the activelink. It costs $5 per month but it has been very motivating for me.

I like this site because the message boards and support is incredible. I can get great recipes and fitness tips and while the ww site has those things as well, I tend to spend more time with the online community here.



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I have been a WW member since Jan 2013 and have lost about 23 lbs. Unfortunately, I cannot continue paying, so I am on my last month. So I decided to join Sparkpeople. I believe that any program you do will work as long as you are focused and consistent with tracking what you eat and exercise. Good luck to you. I will see how this will work out for me, I need to lose another 14 lbs and am willing work hard to do it. Lets see.


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WW just uses points instead of calories. If you take one day of what you eat to get your points, and input them into your SP tracker, how close do you get to your ranges. My guess is pretty close. You have to eat a certain amount to lose weight, and no matter how you track it, it is the same amount of calories. Just because you use points does not mean that you aren't still eating in a range.

The only difference is that you are paying to count points, instead of calories. If you have been on WW for any amount of time, you have a set of daily meal plans that you eat. Let's say you have 14. Write them down, check if they are close to SP, and if so, just use each meal plan once every 2 weeks, and you won't need to be on WW, unless you want to pay for it.

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5/24/13 8:26 A

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I've done both, but I like Sparkpeople better because it allows me to easily track vitamins, nutrients, and minerals (esp sodium, iron, etc). SP helps me to make healthy food choices because I can see how many carbs, fat are in each item before I eat it.

Also, I like the message boards better on SP.

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5/24/13 7:12 A

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I love spark, especially since its free. but it's what works best for the individual.

Your encouragement is greatly appreciated!


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5/24/13 7:10 A

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5/24/13 6:48 A

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This is a really interesting thread! I have been with WW for just over three months, lost 12 kilos (2 stone, 28 lbs), but am now starting to struggle. So Sparkpeople here I come, and I shall do both approaches until the summer to meet my goal weight. I do find the WW weekly weigh-in a good discipline, and I have a good course leader and nice group But I think I need to pay more attention to protein levels, and the SP website and members seem very supportive. Best of luck to all on this thread.


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5/24/13 4:52 A

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Any food plan can work with Spark People, maybe it does not have to be a competition, maybe it does. Spark includes alot, a food plan is just a portion of it, well maybe a double portion!

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5/19/13 4:00 P

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I CAN ADMIT IT I DO USE WW ALSO, BUT I LOVE SP ALOT BETTER. FOR ONE I LIKE TO KNOW MY CAL, CARBS, ESPECIALLY FATS IN FOODS. I LIKE SEEING HOW MANY CALS I BURN AFTER EXCERCISING AND THE SUPPORT I CAN GET ANY TIME DAY AND NIGHT. WW IS TO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT THEY PROVIDE.

STILL GOING STRONG


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WW points system just didn't work for me. Fruits and veggies have calories and should be counted or you could eat hundreds more calories per day/week than you should to lose weight. I also don't like being sold something every time I walk through the door.

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5/19/13 9:48 A

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I was a member of WW for a very long time, lost 50lbs but I left because of the COST and how bored I was with the program(s). I was getting frustrated because I NEVER really knew about how many cals, carbs, fat and I was consuming with the WW program. I read about SP in our local newspaper. I have been a member of SP for 2 years and I AM NEVER BORED, I am FINALLY learning about my carbs, cals, fat and love the fact that SP has a plethora of information on this website. I LOVE SP far more than WW. I have turned tons of my friends onto SP. One thing my friends ask, well how much is SP,I tell them that it is FREE and they don't believe me until they come to the site. They are also amazed at how much information, guidance there is here vs. WW. Personally, I think SP is FAR BETTER than WW. SP has such an amazing amount of info on their site and it truly teaches you! I love the fact that I get a pie chart showing me where I have eaten the most of my food carbs, fat, cal etc. Having that report has taught me so much more. Yes, I know it is about food choices but sometimes, you don't realize that what you think is good could also be higher in certain areas than you would like them to be. There are many plan for many types of people. You truly have to find what works best for YOU! This is YOUR journey NOT someone else's. So what may work for your friend, family member or co-worker may not necessarily work for you. But I feel that SP is truly the total package. I still keep track of my food online as well as a manual food journal. I also keep track of my fitness online as well as manually but everything is now thru SP.

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4/25/13 9:56 A

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As a vegan, I have a different perspective on WW as well. While they do promote lots of whole grains, fruits & vegetables, they still have that pesky dairy requirement. Also, I'm rather outnumbered in the meetings and get bored listening to people share the latest, greatest meat or dessert recipe. Again, not the fault of WW, still think it's a good program and do-able for anyone even w/dietary restrictions, just not for me at this point in my life.



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4/25/13 9:44 A

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I think it's a personal decision. My mom loves WW and is a lifetime member. She had great success with the program. I did Spark for a few years, then decided to try WW and found it didn't work- I lost some weight mostly because I was focusing, not because of their techniques. The meetings didn't do anything for me- after years of Spark I knew everything they were talking about already and what's the point in paying for a web membership when Spark is free?

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4/25/13 9:36 A

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Different things work for different people at different times imho. I am following a Paleo food plan and enjoying Spark People a lot!

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I have a strong preference for SparkPeople!

When I went to WW a couple of years ago, I found the meetings very annoying rather than inspiring (mainly because of the overly-perky leader who grated on my last nerve). It also felt like a sales pitch every week as they pushed their product of the week, which wasn't cheap (even "on sale") and was yet another form of processed food.

What I love about SparkPeople is 1) it's free (which still amazes me!); 2) there are so many resources! I feel like I'm learning something new every day; 3) We are eating REAL, non-processed food. I like that because I can do this for life. It's a sustainable approach to eating and cooking; 4) the recipe database has so many new ideas; and 5) the community is very supportive, yet real. And I guess I could go on and on, but those are the main reasons. There's no way that I'd give WW another dime when SP is working so well. I am a fan!

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4/24/13 10:17 A

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As an on-again/off-again WW subscriber, this post helped me make the decision to leave for good. Nothing against the program, but I'm not losing weight and suspect the free fruits/veggies may have something to do with it, as well as, frankly, boredom. I'm going to commit to SP and see how it goes. I've never done a calorie-counting diet so I'm a bit nervous, am glad you're all here to offer support!



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I'm a lifetime 'WW member, but was really disillusioned after trying the at home program. It was supposed to include a years subscription to their magazine, which was going to be my at home "leader", and it never came, even after I called them about it. Now I combine TOPS and Spark People and have lost 25 pounds. It's been slow, but it's been steady. And it's a whole lot cheaper than WW, and much less fiddly. It's just a matter of finding what works for ones self , for some its WW, for some its Spark People. And then sticking with it.

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2/16/13 11:30 A

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I used to do WW. In fact, did it for 2 years and lost 25 pounds. HOWEVER, once I got in the Less to Lose category (only 5-10 pounds to lose), their P+ program stopped working for me. And let me tell you - I am diligent and dedicated. I weight and track everything. I am a clean eater (lots of fruits and veggies). In my opinion, there is something wrong with their points calculation and the program just doesn't work as well for many women with only a few pounds to go.

So I made the switch to Sparkpeople and lost the rest of the weight that I wanted to lose within 3 months. Never looked back!

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Honeylissabee - you may have written this a while ago, but I hope you read this.

I remember you from WW. I remember your posts on the message boards. And, here's the thing. Any program will work when you finally embrace it. You know exactly what I'm talking about. ;)

I truly hope you find what works for you and lose the weight.

Eat for the body you want, not the body you have.


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