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2/26/12 4:44 P

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hi mama,

i think as many of the posts here that are naysaying are looking at this as a diet or as you said fad. i don't see it as a diet at all. yes, people lose weight, but it is really a detox, a way to reset your body and your metabolism. i haven't heard of one person who has said, "my doctor said not good". both our doctors were all over it, not only approve but are so glad to see our cholesterol come down and my husbands blood pressure come down. plus they are ecstatic that it is a lifestyle change that has ensued. we no longer eat processed foods (or minimally processed..as in brown rice, tofu, etc) not only are we eating organic, we know where our meat comes from. i won't go completely plant-based, but i can now honor the animal that is providing me sustenance, because i have been to the farm to see it.
~catherine

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Oh the joys of Netflix :P
I watched this movie and Forks over Knives because I felt that I needed motivation to eat healthier. That was not the first time I've heard of juicing. My parents fell victim to the juicing fad in the 90's so I own a juicer. It's not nearly as nice as the one in the movie, but it does the job. I enjoy a glass of juice every now and then but the prep and clean-up make the process a huge ordeal that I just can't work in to my daily schedule.

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OK. Just ordered juicer from Amazon. I've been on the FSND site since yesterday and have read almost the whole thing, I think. I set my goal for Classic Reboot (5-5-5) but am hoping to extend the middle 5 to at least 20 days. Doctors appointments were already scheduled, so I set the start date for 3/29/12 as long as they all give me the thumbs up!

I'm excited! I can't wait to start feeling better!

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2/26/12 11:05 A

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For me, I add a1-3 cups of vegetable juice per week to supplement my vegetable intake. It doesn't work for me to cut out protein so I would never only consume juice. If I do, I get too hungry and end up binging on carbs and sugar.



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2/25/12 10:11 A

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Thank you! Both of you are very encouraging. I'll keep you posted as I work up my nerve! Any other ideas along the way would be great.

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2/25/12 8:51 A

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MGW,

David is right. Grilled asparagus taste like candy to me now! The hardest part about juicing for me was the withdrawal of caffeine and getting through those first days. I only did a 5 day juice fast but it was enough to change my taste buds. I withdrew from sugar before I juiced, but I think that was the significant difference in taste. Once sugar was out of my system all other tastes were heightened and brilliant.. if that makes sense. the jointhereboot site is loaded with recipes. You will find your favorite combinations and adjust the recipes. I learned I do not like beetsemoticon As David said the site is free to join and the recipes and support are all free also. Juice on!


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Hi MGW

To be honest when I was finally "brave" enough to juice my first mean green I was nearly throwing up at the thought of silverbeet(or kale if you can get it), celery and cucumber with a little lemon juiced into a drink. I was Carrot, Celery, Beetroot, Apple and Ginger guy and never experimented with another "weird" juice.

I forced my first sip and was amazed - it had a really light taste and tasted almost of NOTHING part from very vaguely cucumber and lemon.

After that I was into vege's!

My exact recipe to make around 20 ounces (about 600 ml) is:

3 x sticks of silverbeet or kale or spinach (interchangeable)
2 x sticks of celery
1/2 a large cucumber
1 green apple
1/2 a peeled lemon

Juice it up - looks and sounds revolting, but you will be a convert after your first sip. It became one of main juices when I did my 8 day juice fast.

I also like Cantaloupe and Carrot - again sounds weird but tastes like a vaguely cantaluope flavoured milkshake - honest! It has a milky texture so make sure ingredients are cold:

1/2 a cantaloupe
2 carrots

And juice them. So simple and SO good - and I would NEVER eat cantaloupe usually.

I have one or 2 others - email me if you like.

Try these two - they will change your perspective on vegies:)

D

P.S. Heres the main site and like Spark is free to join. http://www.jointhereboot.com/index.php?lang=en

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I've been really inspired by the movie and have been researching on the internet to find out more. I have HATED vegetables since I was a kid and was intrigued as much by Joe's statement that a Reboot can retrain your tastebuds as I am about the health benefits, which I could surely use as well.

I can't seem to find a good list of recipes for the juices. Can anyone point me to information about how much goes into a "meal" and ideas for starting out and working my way up from a vegetable-less diet?

Thanks for starting this thread!

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2/24/12 10:39 A

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Good for you!!! my son started me on the reboot. he lost about 40 pounds and told me that he "felt better in ways he just couldn't explain." he did just as joe did on the video - and went through he** detoxing - but afterwards everything was fine. i've lost 15 pounds in 10 days and i really understand now what he means by better in ways he can't explain. i too have osteo-arthritis in my fingers, hips, neck and knees. i am off my pain medication, and my blood pressure has gone down to normal. and - i am doing this with my doctors blessing! so - you go girl! juice on!

NOTHING tastes as good as being thin feels.


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2/12/12 6:46 P

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i will have to see if there are any other message boards.. maybe it's a team i am actually looking for.... that are supportive of juicing. i turn 55 in a little over a week and i have been suffering from osteoarthritis for over a year in my feet and knee. i am a very active person. i also just stumbled on the video- fsnd after watching forks over knives and food inc. i found it very inspiring and showed it to my husband who was just diagnosed with high blood pressure and high cholesterol. he does not want to be on the medication they put him on.

we were already changing how we eat, but decided to try a 5 day reboot (with the hubby's doctor's blessing). i lost 3 lbs and i haven't taken naproxen in over a week. hubby has had normal blood pressure for the past 3 days. we will continue to juice with our meals which will stay primarily plant based for now.

it is amazing the hundred and hundreds of stories on the facebook pages of people not just losing weight by reboot but reversing their conditions that have been exacerbated, in my humble opinion, by processed foods and factory farmed meats.



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I watched this documentary a while ago and I thought it was really interesting, but ultimately, not something I wanted to do or try. I know a lot of people swear by juice fasts and cleanses, but it seems like a dangerous thing to me and not something I want to try because I enjoy eating way too much :) I didn't think Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead was an infomercial at all and I really enjoyed when the host found the truck driver who had the same condition as him and helped him out.
All in all, I can see how a juice fast would be beneficial for some, but it seems a bit risky (and unfun) to me :\



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PLEASE READ - I WOULD WELCOME FEEDBACK

The lively discussion here reminds me of another site I visit, which has a category of Religion and Spirituality where Atheists and Theists duke it out constantly.

Everyone in their own way is correct. I could find 10 doctors who would say a juice fast (yes OK wrong word but I'm a rebel) is wrong and another 10 equally qualified doctors who would disagree.

In my 30's I suffered from chronic back pain and severe skin conditions.

After trying many different avenues I stumbled across a health farm which included a WATER fast as part of its offering. Yes, WATER, as in NO FOOD.

I can hear many of you already getting ready blast back a response however after 21 days of nothing but water and experiencing lower back pain and a slowly improving eczema condition I finished and progressed slowly back to solids in a regulated way over the next 2 days.

7 days after the end of the fast I left.

I have not experienced ANY back pain since then (even with my weight increases in my 40's) and my skin conditions has disappeared after having chronic eczema from birth to 33 years of age. This kind of result has been attested to by thousands of people over time and about many different issues from diabetes to IBS.

I would never water fast for that long without being in a place where they were experts in their field. The only "bad" I experienced was a lack of energy to participate in long term activities and I'll admit my brain ran a little slower as both of these things need energy which takes longer for the body to convert from stored fat.

So how did this apparently miraculous cure occur.

1. 70% of the body's focus is spent on processing food we eat. When you reduce the need for this focus through reduction of processing it is then freed up to spend more time on flushing toxins and fixing problems in the body. The body has the ability to heal and when you allow it more "bandwidth" to do this it can work quickly and surprisingly well

2. We all know the body stores fat so that if we do not any food supplies it can live of the fat. But we all know we can not just live on converted fat. The body ALSO stores all the nutrients and vitamins etc required which is why we can fast without going blind or losing function in the body. The body stores EVERYTHING required to exist should food be in short supply or non existent.

Juice fasting also allows number 1 to occur to a slightly lesser degree. THIS is why people can get off meds and cure things that are not even weight related on a juice fast.

Given the chance the body CAN heal itself of most illnesses. Of course chronic conditions like cancer do not fall into this but many many conditions do.

The focus of fasting is NOT WEIGHT LOSS. Fasting is about allowing the body to stop wasting energy processing food and use that energy to mend the body.

Weight loss is a byproduct of fasting and should not be the MAIN goal.

FSND does not promote fasting to lose weight - he did it to heal.

But most people see a quick fix to weight loss and herald it as the new thing.

I am on day 3 of my juice fast and have gone through a day of feeling not great as my body starts to release toxins however I know that within a day or 2 I will be feeling better than ever with a body that is energised and a clear mind.

those who treat fasting as a fad or a quick way to be able lose weight and fit into that dress for the wedding are using it improperly and are bound to fail.

Rebooting, as Joe refers to it, is quite an accurate term and a huge part of this is learning healthier habits while you fast and being serious about changing your patterns as you transition back to healthy foods.

If you actually WANT to know more about fasting in general Google water or juice fasts. Even better go to the reboot website and READ what their philosophy is and how carefully they approach this.

Fasting reduces the processing load on the body and frees up resources so it can focus on healing. It is not meant to be a longterm life time approach. It is another way for the body to heal.

Weight loss is simply a byproduct of a fast.

Simple as that.



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BESEVEN: I think perhaps you took my response a little too personally. I was responding to LYNNAPO's post about why people might not love the film, that's all. I wanted to make it clear that even people who have seen the film might recognize its flaws. I am not opposed to the film or its messages, as you believe, I can just see where its weaknesses lie.

I'll address the cartoons first, since that's probably the least pertinent part of what I posted. I didn't find them distracting enough not to be able to watch the film and take information away from it. I never said that. I just said that I found them infantile and it might have been better if they had been omitted. If the film had been presented by hand puppets, most people would probably feel the same way. I was able to overlook them, but it would have been nice if I hadn't had to do that in the first place.

The term "fast" does *sometimes* mean abstaining from only certain foods, but this use of the traditional definition is troublesome for one reason: if all I ate was cheese or cake and I said I was on a "cheese fast" or a "cake fast," nobody would take me seriously. A "fruit and veggie fast" is healthier in terms of many vital nutrients, that's true, but hey, the definition of the word shouldn't change just because of the food in question. The primary definition of the word involves abstaining from all food for a particular period of time.

As for "micronutrient/macronutrient," they were used incorrectly in that the film implied that fruits and veggies are "micronutrient foods" and things like meat and dairy are "macronutrient foods." Meat and vegetables might contain micro- and macronutrients in different ratios, but they each contain both. Perhaps it was just a shorthand way of saying the same thing, but it wasn't *entirely* accurate. Maybe that's just semantics, but it is a valid complaint as the words, as used, were truncating the accuracy of the information. Again, I wasn't saying that this took away from the message of the film, just that I found it frustrating.

Those issues, as I already stated in my first post, are pretty minimal and don't actually take away from the message (they just show that in some ways, perhaps there were better ways to present their information). I had other, more pertinent issues with the way that the information was presented.

As for whether or not the film advocates that people juice "fast" for an extended period, which is more important, I believe I did point out that it doesn't say that everyone should do that. The implications are clear, however, when the two people they follow most extensively followed the plan for two months. Okay, I used the term "several" instead of "a couple." My mistake. I fully agree that the film recommends that people only try the program for a short period, but the message it sends about a longer period "juice fast" is pretty apparent. And hey, some people probably *would* benefit from it. But I would have been far more impressed if they had followed more short-term users. My favorite part was the older gentleman talking about how he had lost weight and was feeling better just from incorporating juicing for a week (I think it was a week, anyway...it was a shorter period, that's all I recall off the top of my head). The woman who stopped having migraines was interesting too, as was Bear. It would have been nice if they had paid more attention to stories like these, if that's really what they are advocating.

It is very true that I can't know that their health problems would have been solved by just following a healthy diet. I'm not a fortune teller. But the thing is, you can't know otherwise either. That's my point: the film presents anecdotal evidence based on a couple of case studies, not a scientific study that is comprehensive or large scale, by any means. That was my point, not that this method doesn't work, and I think LAETU5 reiterated it very well. There are countless studies showing how people have improved major health issues by switching to a healthy diet of solid food. There aren't so many that show the same results for juicing; some studies of the benefits of juicing may exist, but *this film is not one of them.*

To be clear, I'm not opposed to alternative nutrition. I don't see anything wrong with informed adults carrying out a short-term juice fast, if they choose. And if someone carried out multiple proper studies that showed that this method is just as good or better than just eating healthy, I would be beyond thrilled. The film does not do that, however, in and of itself. I'm not saying that a true study wouldn't find the same things that the film did. It might. Again, I'm not a fortune teller. But hey, let's not pretend this is a study when it isn't.

In the mean time, until such studies are carried out, we *already* know that eating a balanced diet works in terms of nutrition and weight loss.

As I've already said, I think that the film makes some *excellent* points regarding health. I just think that people need to make educated choices that aren't made entirely on the successes of the (very few) people shown in the documentary, since the film doesn't stand on its own as a proper education regarding healthy nutrition. I can see how it could open some people's eyes, but I would hope that they would take the information to heart, and still go on and do further research. It makes some good points, but it doesn't stand on its own.

I have my opinion and in that opinion, this film could have been better, even if it presented the same information in a slightly different way. I don't think it's a bad film in every way, or that people who try the method presented are somehow stupid. Not at all. I do believe, however, that they *could* try an easier, already proven method, and are very likely to find comparable results. If I'm presented with two viable options and I only know for sure that one of them will work in all the ways I need it to, that's probably the one I'll go with.

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From a scientific perspective the movie was a joke...it was an experiment of two and in both cases the person was obviously experiencing health problems from their weight so losing weight through any method probably would have helped. There was also no record of what that one lady ate before including juice...just that she claimed to eat generally healthy. That's why there is no reason to consider juicing to be a miracle cure.

Doesn't mean you can't try it or that it won't help...what it does mean is that it requires additional study to figure out what really helped those people rather than jumping to conclusions like the movie did.

There is another movie called Fathead where a guy lost weight, lowered his blood work levels etc all while eating fast food under calorie restriction...he's a comedian who did it just to make a point.

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Bitterquill, you're right that for most people existing on nothing but juice for several months at a time is not healthy. Fortunately, the movie NEVER remotely suggests that. The longest anyone juices at a time in the film is 60 days. That's 2 months. Two is not "several." And they don't encourage that. They encourage people to try it for 10 days first and see how they feel after 10 days. You assume that their illnesses would have been cured had they just gone on a traditional, healthy eating, reduced calorie diet. You do not know that. The woman whose migraines went away as a result of juicing was already at a healthy weight to start with, and she said that she didn't eat particularly unhealthily. Obviously, you have a bias against the film because of the cartoons. Fine. I wasn't crazy about them either, but I didn't allow it to distract me from the fact that this was a potential cure for a condition I've suffered with for over four years. I am currently easing my way into juicing. I've gone vegan, and am starting with a breakfast juice of fruits and veggies made on my Jack Lalanne juicer every morning. Next week, I'm going all the way. Also, according to the dictionary, there was nothing wrong with the way they used the words, "fast" and "micronutrient."

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@LYNNAPO, in response to your question, I watched it before I developed any opinions on it. I am not a fan, but I'm not opposed to the ideas behind it.

Two things in particular annoyed me, and made me feel like I was being condescended to. The incorrect use of simple words like "fast" and "micronutrient" was one. Yes, I get that they were using the words in a different context, but that doesn't change the fact that they were using them improperly. Second were the infantile little cartoons. I am an adult seeking real, scientific information about health, not jaunty little illustrations that do more to distract from the issues than illustrate them. These might seem like minor complaints, but I think it would have been easier to take the film seriously if they had been addressed.

I think it makes some excellent points regarding the importance of eating more fruits and vegetables, and ridding yourself of unnecessary junk. It's nice to see people succeeding in losing weight and getting healthier. If they choose to do that through juicing, that doesn't bother me. I think, however, that it's misleading to imply, however lightly, that there is something magical about the act of juicing. They could have done the exact same thing if they had been willing to just eat their veggies. And they could have included a little meat, grain and dairy too, if they had wanted to, and received the same health benefits without feeling sick for several days.

These people cut calories and ate more fresh fruits and veggies, and in the process they lost weight and got more of the micronutrients they were lacking when they lived on fast food. It's not exactly ground-breaking. It is, however, very restrictive. For most people, subsisting on nothing but juice for several months at a time *is not healthy.* No, the film does not advocate that everyone go for that long, but it does strongly imply that it is safe to do so.

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I am curious how people that dont actually watch the film can judge this. I was not at all feeling as though it were an infomercial at any time during the film. I loved it! I stumbled upon it when looking to watch a movie on Netflix. For whatever reason, I turned it on.

Also, did any of you naysayers even go to the website? You do actually eat along with juicing. Granted it is pretty much all fruits and veggies but there is a spattering of fats (in avacodo, olive/canola oil).

I dont think this is "juice for life"... it is getting a rebalance back and then do it in moderation.

I am going to try it. At the very least, its a way to get the nutrients we are absolutely lacking in our diets by even having one juice a day.

I am using my Ninga blender so I am not really juicing, more like blending. I stated this when I tried the Vitamix.



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I couldn't agreed with you more. I heard about the movie and watched the YouTube videos and then did research on different juicers. I went with an Omega as I liked the idea of a slow auger juicer. I don't think it really matters which juicer as long as it's easy to clean and use.

My kids and I finally watched the movie last night. I found it very inspiring and agree that he does not push the Breville juicer. I like the idea of my family trying more fruits and vegetables. If they won't eat it, maybe they will drink it. Of course, the kids like the fruit juices, but I really enjoy carrot, cucumber and beet.

I'm juicing for health as I have high blood pressure and severe asthma. I was hospitalized for four days in November with Pneumonia and really want to do whatever I can to improve my immune system and general well being. I don't see myself doing a juice fast at this point, but I am adding the juice to my diet and getting rid of soda and hopefully caffeine. Giving up the coffee will be the hardest.

I'm looking forward to hearing your progress on your blogs. You go!



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To those who say it's an infomercial for the juicer: I watched the movie. Did you? He barely even mentions the brand in the movie--he may have mentioned it once. I'm not sure he even mentioned it at all. I didn't know what the brand even was until I looked it up out of curiosity. If it's an infomercial for a particular brand, it's a pretty lousy one.

Yes, it goes against everything I've learned about nutrition too (and everything they teach you on SparkPeople), and I had similar reactions when my hubby told me about this film. Oh, juicing isn't natural. . .there's no way you can get enough protein. . .etc. Then I watched the movie. I saw what happened to two men, both of whom have the same painful, frustrating, auto-immune disorder that I have, and both of whom were obese--one, far more so than I--and I watched as their condition was cured, and they achieved a healthy weight and fit bodies. This is a condition that 6 different doctors told me has no cure, only various ineffective treatments with nasty side effects. And so I suffer. And then I watched the same suffering end for these two people. Sorry folks, but I would be a fool not to try this. I don't know if it will work for me, but I plan to blog about it. My husband bought the juicer today (not the one from the show--one that's less expensive and got just as good reviews), and I'll be starting on Sunday. I expect the first 3-5 days to be very, very hard. They warn you about that. I will blog every day, and see how it turns out. I'm going to try for 30 days, and if I can, maybe the 60 that Joe and Phil do in the movie. I don't know if I will be able to do this, but I'd be crazy not to try.

Yes, I'm going to get checked by my doctor. And yes, just as they say in SparkPeople, and just as they also said in the movie, I'm planning to make this a permanent lifestyle change. Not a diet. As in, for the rest of my life, I hope to be able to juice for one or two weeks a month. The people in the film (several, not just one) did not lose muscle. They did not get sick. They gained muscle (due to being able to exercise, when they couldn't before), and they got healthy. Juicing, like everything else, is certainly not for everyone, but it really infuriates me when people dismiss something that clearly works for others just because it doesn't work for them or because they think they know better. Guess what? Even doctors and nutritionists don't know all there is to know about the human body and nutrition. Recommendations change all the time. No one knows it all, and the one thing that's smart in general is to trust your body. If I do this juice fast, and after the first 5 days, I still feel sick, tired, and hungry, I'll quit. But if I start feeling good, losing weight, and my health improves, I will listen to my body and stick with it. I hope others have the courage to ignore the naysayers and do the same. End of Rant.


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My folks gave me a juicer over Christmas. I say, the juice is yummy, but what a mess to clean up! :)

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What Rinpochet said. My husband bought me a Vitamix and it is the best present he has ever given me. I use it every day.

Juicers remove too many of the healthy aspects of fruits and vegetables.

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"an infomercial wrapped up in a documentary"

Exactly. It's a cheesy way to sell Breville machines and associated merchandise, as far as I can tell. Joe Cross is a businessman. A clever one.

1) Wow, you can get up to a whole 40 gr of protein per day on some of the days?! That's ridiculous. Completely insufficient. What you're losing on this diet is most likely water and muscle mass.

2) The high amount of sugar in fruit is already a problem. Take out the fiber and you're essentially drinking vitamin-enriched fructose syrup.

So no, this would not be for me, and I wouldn't suggest it to any of my friends.

On the other hand you have to find what works for you. And if this happens to do it, then more power to you. I won't be joining you, though. I LIKE my muscles. LOL

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The documentary changed my view upon juicing. Seeing the transformation of the guy through the second half of the movie was really insightful. Unless the side effects were edited (and I have no reason to believe it), for that person, juicing seemed to have saved his life.

Besides, they never talk about juicing as a way of life forever, or at least I do not recall it.



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Juicing is not healthy why?
1. our stomach needs real food
2. can you imagine eating this way for the rest of your life
3. is it fun when christmas, easter and all the other seasonal eating turns up? or do you dump it and just use the same old mastering skills and gain back the weight plus more?
4. what habits are people teaching their kids? kids learn from watching and mimicing adults..
5. juicing is based on "one persons experience" and not a research based test of any type- ketosis is a damaging way to loss weight-he not only lost fat but his body ate muscle mass- a damaging process for the liver long term breaking down fat..

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I saw before and after pics of Joe Cross, the subject of the film. It was obvious that juicing caused him to lose not just fat, but muscle, too. Fat cells never go away completely unless you vacuum them out, but muscle that's burned for energy can never be regained. You may not notice the lost muscle mass as much when you're younger, but once you hit age 60+ you will regret it severely. Just keep that in mind if you want to follow his regimen.

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4YOMAMJ:

I have thyroid issues and am juicing, and I know there are others on the reboot site who are also doing so. I am on day 19 of an extended fast-- I originally planed 55 days, but it is going so well and I am feeling so much better that I decided I will continue it after christmas for however long it takes to get to my goal weight (which might be another 2-3 weeks).

I am losing more slowly than most, but being hypothyroid slows things down a bit, plus I am adding occasional protein powder, which also slows the effects because the body works much harder to digest it. I haven't weighed myself in the last several days, but as of the end of 2 weeks I has lost 9.6 lbs, 2 inches from my waist, and 1.5 inches from my hips. Since then I can feel that my clothes are slowly fitting more loosely. More importantly, I have a very good energy level and improved mental clarity, focus, mood, and motivation.

I read a blog by someone who claimed to be able to reduce her thyroid meds significantly after a long juicing-only period. I'm not aiming at that, but if it helps heal my thyroid at all, great. Juicing is known to have a very positive healing effect on auto-immine diseases, so anyone with graves or Hashimotos might very well see significant improvement.

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4YOMAMJ:

I have thyroid issues and am juicing, and I know there are others on the reboot site who are also doing so. I am on day 19 of an extended fast-- I originally planed 55 days, but it is going so well and I am feeling so much better that I decided I will continue it after christmas for however long it takes to get to my goal weight (which might be another 2-3 weeks).

I am losing more slowly than most, but being hypothyroid slows things down a bit, plus I am adding occasional protein powder, which also slows the effects because the body works much harder to digest it. I haven't weighed myself in the last several days, but as of the end of 2 weeks I has lost 9.6 lbs, 2 inches from my waist, and 1.5 inches from my hips. Since then I can feel that my clothes are slowly fitting more loosely. More importantly, I have a very good energy level and improved mental clarity, focus, mood, and motivation.

I read a blog by someone who claimed to be able to reduce her thyroid meds significantly after a long juicing-only period. I'm not aiming at that, but if it helps heal my thyroid at all, great. Juicing is known to have a very positive healing effect on auto-immine diseases, so anyone with graves or Hashimotos might very well see significant improvement.

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Watching this movie changed my life-- I saw it almost by accident, as I stumbled across it when I was bored & thought I'd just see what it was. I didn't intend to do anything like a juice fast-- I was not open-minded about it before I saw the movie. But the day after I watched I found myself unable to make the usual bad food choices in a cafe at lunch, and trying a kale salad instead that turned out to be delicious. I changed my eating from that day forward, watched the movie again, & decided to try a fast (with my doctor's blessings and encouragement). I am 19 days in and looking and feeling better than I have in over a decade.

Juicing is a topic that stirs up a lot of opinions and a lot of prejudices about food and eating. Nevertheless, it has been around for a very long time, and if you look at evidence and results instead of prejudice, you will see that it can be extremely healing to the body. It is not a fad diet or anything remotely like that-- it is a way of giving your body full (and extra) all-natural nutrition that allows it to heal and be its best. I will never go back to thinking about food in the same way, and fresh juices are going to be a permanent part of y life even when I am through my fast.

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Wow. There are a lot of knee-jerk, uninformed opinions posted in this discussion. Thank you to those of you who addressed some of the misconceptions about the juicing option.

Hopefully everyone who posted based on what they "know" about juicing, the Fat, Sick movie, and the nutritional content of plant-based foods has read - closely - the post here by the woman who said her boyfriend is off of 3 out of 5 medications after only 10 days of juicing.

I've just watched a friend lose nearly 60 lbs in 60 days on a juice fast very similar to the one discussed in the movie - and experiencing great energy and very little hunger along the way.

I'm now considering a 10 day juice fast myself - but I don't think I'll be coming to Spark for support unless (*she says hopefully*) there are some better-informed voices here somewhere...


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Purchasing a Juicer is a waste of money unless it's just because someone likes fresh juice.

Using a cheap blender keeps some of the fiber intact. It would be healthier to just eat the fruits and veggies whole.

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I am a firm believer that excess protein causes cancer, and that osteoporosis is caused by overdosing the body with calcium which eventually damages its ability to process it in the body. I have been a vegetarian for well over 30 years. When I began in the 1980's most people thought I was committting suicide. The most common question was, "where will you get the protein?'. Please be aware that the 4 food groups were put in the public schools because it was paid for by the meat industry!!!!
Juicing and fasting are not fads, and they have been used for centuries for health, spiritual and dietary purposes. I have done juicing too increase my energy level and it has helped me every time. My only concern is losing too much weight, or I would do a 60 day fast in a skinny minute. I think that some of the people need to question themselves if they have more fear of juicing than they do of eating meat.
Absolutely check with your doctor, and if you are diabetic you need to monitor the natural sugars in the fruit juices. Just be aware that you have more time to do the research than your doctor does, they are too busy trying to heal sick people!!!!!
The gerson therapy has been touted as a quackery and I have personal knowledge of it working for 2 different people. I don't have detailed information about it, but I think that any doctor that dismisses the natural ability of the body to heal with nutrition has "sold out" and is in denial.We know poor food choices will kill us so isn't it a given that the right choices will save us???

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We watched this movie. I will be honest. It scared us with all the health issues. We went to our doctors and talked to them about juicing. They gave us more info and tips to ensure we were getting all the nutrients we needed (add honey, flaxseed, variety, etc) We did a 10 day juicing cleanse. While we both lost weight, more importantly, my boyfriend is now off of 3 of his 5 diabetes meds, We sleep better, my asthma is better, my skin is better, we have more energy, we aren't as tired in the morning, our cholestorol and other numbers are coming down.

When I tracked my juices in SP, I entered 1/2 of the fruit/veggie for each one, since all I was getting was the juice from the items. I got in all my calories (1000-1300), all my fiber(35-50), protein (40-60). The only catagory I fell short on was the carbs, however I did manage to get in at least 75 a day.

The only reason we didn't go longer was that it was expensive! We still juice at least 2 days a week. But what this reboot has taught is the importance of plant based foods in our diet. So on the days we don't juice, we eat vegan about 2 days and vegetarian another 2 days. We usually, now only have meat about 2 meals a week.

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I thought the documentary was inspiring as well, and have been surprised that some people have such a negative reaction to juicing. As others have said, people have been fasting and juce fasting for a very long time so this isn't anything new. And yes, on the juice fast you'll get more than enough protein (kale has more protein than steak per equal calorie serving - think about it - how do the gorilla and elephant get so big/strong? Not meat and dairy.). After seeing the documentary I was inspired to drag out my old Braun juicer and have been juicing breakfast ever since, to eliminate more fat from my diet and increase my fruit/veggie intake. I feel so much better it's amazing and I'm not hungry until lunch. It's been a huge boost to my weight loss. I think I like food too much to do a juice fast myself, but everyone is different and some people might benefit from that approach (although it would be a good idea to check with your doc first and be sure to take a B12 supplement as that won't be provided on a juice fast). I also find fruit/veggie juice a great low fat/calorie snack, which has allowed me to decrease the amount of nuts I eat. The more fruits/veggies you can get into your system the less higher calorie/low nutrient stuff you'll be eating. To me, that's a good thing.



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I found this documentary pretty inspiring. I don't believe you'd be losing nutrition by juicing, because you're maxing your nutrient intake by consuming nothing but foods with a high-density of nutrients. I don't think you'd be losing out on the fiber either, since natural juicing keeps the fiber in the juice (as opposed to store-bought juices that are mostly just sugar). You could probably add more pulp back into the juice as well, if you prefer.

I would really like to try juicing for a short-term pick me up sometime. I just don't know which would be the best juicer to buy. In the documentary, he used Breville juicers, which are highly rated on Amazon, but are also really popular because of the movie.

I also would like to know ways you could juice frugally, as you'd be buying a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. When you weigh the cost against eating out though, it's not that bad I suppose. Also, I'd like to know the best juice recipes.



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I have juiced a few times and I enjoy it. I suprisingly dont feel hungry too! Most of the time I stick to a 1 day juice fast, but I have done a 3 day as well. The 3 day is hard, but by the 3rd day I feel great (the 2nd day I had a headache). I use a vitamix, but I use a cheesecloth to take out the pulp. I would suggest if you have any medical conditions you should see your doctor first, but otherwise I think short juice fasts are fine. I'm not sure I would do more than a 3 day juice fast though.



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It's a fad diet, people are jumping on something many doctors health officials don't agree with.. This sort of movie is a media stunt to get attention.. He was eye candy and the film crew saw their chance to make alot of money at the expense of alot of desperate people looking for quick solutions..

I watched a couple on vlogs they gave up efter several days as feel like crap.. They immediately when over to the 6 inch sub diet lol..

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why tip the scale, I juice - normally a glass for breakfast and maybe on after work

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Yeah Netflicks! I saw it on there too. I was thinking "wow, an infomercial wrapped up in a documentary! He actually won like 7 awards for the film. I don't believe in removing food groups from your diet unless its a medical reason. But after reading up on the site I thought I'd try the 5 day reboot which is 5 days of juicing plus eating vegetables and fruits. The juices have protein and plenty of vitamins.
I already have a juicer so it was no big deal to try it. There are 3 or 4 different ways to do it. A full juice, a 25 day mix of 5 days juicing, 5 days juicing and eating vegetables, back to 5 days full juicing and so on. Some people are doing it for 60 days straight juice!

I'm doing it to break my coffee & sugar habit and I hope to get rid of this draggy dead feeling I've had lately. I honestly don't think the majority of people can stick with it long term, if anything they might learn to like vegetables!




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How often do we hear that the average person is not consuming the minimum daily recommended amount of fruits and vegetables? Every time a new craze comes along, too many people begin bashing and trashing what they have no experience and knowledge about. I have watched the documentary and I have been reading a lot about the the pros and cons about juicing. Keep in mind that you are going to always conflicting information on the internet. When Joe Cross was asked by "Bear" in the documentary to help him begin his Reboot, he had "Bear" get checked out by his doctor and have several tests done before he would help him begin. You should never begin anything especially a drastic caloric deficit program without consulting your doctor first. Juice fasting/detoxing is not a quick fix as some may believe. If you do not make changes in your attitude toward food, then you will go right back to bad eating habits when you come off your juicing. As TEBBSC87 stated, stop *freaking out* about the idea of fasting. It is not a new concept. There are more people that fast than some realize. You may not know that they do especially if it is spiritual in nature. Most Christians that fast usually do not share because it is suppose to be a personal endeavor and not something that they are boasting about. If juicing is not for you, then don't. If you think you may want to try it, read up and educate yourself, visit your physician to get checked out before going forward, and do it responsibly.



 
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Whoa, I agree with Anarie for a change. If you choose to do this, it would be advisable to clear it with your doctor first. My past experience with "juice fasting" has not been pleasant, but I know now that I have sensitivities to high carb, low protein/fat. Some people do well on juice fasting, so I cannot speak for them or any possible benefits. Also, some folks do fine without much protein or take a long time to show deficiency, while others may feel like garbage quickly (me). So be aware of your own body and its needs.

I also suspect much of the benefits they see are because of the huge increase in nutrient-dense foods (vegetables) and removal of all processed nutrient-lacking foods (poptarts & Mac n cheese for example).



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Okay, I'm a high-carb, low-fat type of girl. I'm constantly growling at the low-carb people. But even I can't condone an ALL-carb crash diet. We need carbs, we need protein, and we need some fat. "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead" isn't false advertising in this case-- that's exactly what you would get from two weeks of a juice fast! Any diet that has you cutting out entire food groups is not healthy. We can't live just on meat, and we can't live just on juice.

Seriously, please don't even dream of doing this without medical clearance. If you have undiagnosed diabetes or metabolic syndrome, this could be extremely dangerous. This is the type of crash diet that can literally ruin your health. A weekend fast is one thing-- not advisable, but not likely to cause permanent harm. Two weeks, on the other hand, is long enough to cause significant heart damage and to trigger the start of osteoporosis, among other things.



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I won't purposely choose a plan with 24 grams of protein. If I don't eat enough protein during TOM, I get so lethargic and end up binging on carbs.


This is what he has to say about the lack of protein:


"Also, it is highly unlikely that you could develop a protein deficiency in 15 days. During some of the just juicing days of your Reboot, our plans offer as much as 40 grams of protein,"


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This topic is all over the other nutrition sites and it's getting the same mixed of responses:
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I don't have any desire to juice because I like the texture of food and would miss it. But it's good to know that fiber isn't lost with a VitaMix.

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I think doing a reboot is fine. To everyone *freaking out* about the fast, plenty of people have fasted for hundreds of years for all sorts of reasons. The movie doesn't advocate extremes, but transitioning and short-term fasting. He went a very long time, but he doesn't ever say that one has to do what he did. Chill. Drink some fresh juice. It's crazy better than that sugar-water garbage at the store. And actually, you *do* get some fiber from juicing in the froth and such. Especially if you juice leafy greens. (Good for protein too!)



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ALGEBRAGIRL "juicing" is not just having some juice with a regular diet. Juicing is eating nothing BUT juice. That is not healthy and *that* is the scam.

Having a glass of juice with a meal is an acceptable way to increase some of your fruit/veggie intake, yes. Stick to one glass a day and ensure you still get 5+ from whole foods, and the juice is only extra.

And find another GP, or at least don't take nutrition advice from that one. He's right about the colonics, but juice fasting is not healthy either.

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If you use a Vitamix, you lose none of the fiber as you are basically just pulverizing the whole fruit and not just drinking the extracted juice. They are expensive but definitely worth the price as you can also use them to make soup.

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I think juicing has its place in a diet.If you can find a really good juicer. It can be a great addition to the way you prepare vegetables. What's wrong with having some cooked vegetables, some fresh, raw vegetables, and a freshly juiced cup of vegetables (and fruits) with a meal?

It's not like we Americans chow down on too many vegetables already!

Fiber's important, too, but fiber comes from fruits, vegetables, and grains.

I have friends who swear by colonics, saying they are great and make you feel so healthy. I asked my doctor and he said, 'Stay away from colonics, just do a juice fast on the weekend with fruits and vegetables.'

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I saw that documentary too! I think "detoxes" are not helpful in the long run because you need to practice normal eating and short term fasts are healthier but still abnormal. As for juicing, lots of healthy people do it, so maybe it does help them stay healthy, I don't know. I think it's generally recommended to eat whole fruit and veggies instead.

I don't think weight loss requires any fancy equipment or techniques. I think it just takes eating real, whole foods in appropriate quantities. People don't like to hear that, so they're always looking for short cuts and tricks, and I think that documentary is more of the same.



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* Detoxifying is a scam.

* Too much juice is not good for you; you lose a lot of the benefits of the whole fruit (fiber).

* It's also a lot easier to drink high amounts of calories.

If you want to drink and be healthy try smoothies. They break down the fiber in blending but at least the fiber is still there.

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You don't have to see the documentary, Fat Sick and Nearly Dead, to have knowledge of juicing. The movie is all about this guy detoxifying with juicing and traveling the US to educate folks about it. Part of me believes the movie is a huge informercial, but I think juicing has been around a long time, so whatever.

I would like to hear people's thoughts on juicing.

What kind of juicer is the best, easy to use/clean, durable?
Organic or non-organic produce?
Bowl issues?
Anyone with Thyroid issues or living without a thyroid juice? Issues around this?
How long? 3 day, 7 day, 30 day, 90 day?

Any other comments more than welcome.

Thank you.

Link to info about film: http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/
Link to info about the reboot is fount on his website.

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