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Your question was if you take up jogging at an obese weight does it increase your chances of osteoarthritis at a later date. I guess there would be a yes and no answer here so let me explain.

1. Have you had a bone density testing done for osteoarthritis and what is your condition now?
2. If you bone density is bad then there could be possible ramifications later on.
3. Not wearing the proper cushioned running shoes with a person obese definitely has an impact on you.
4. I know for a fact that New Balance makes specific running shoes for heavier runners and so would suggest you contacting them.
5. If you have already had the bone density testing done and you are alright there I would see no problem with you jogging if you have been given a medical green light from your Dr. to exercise.

Good luck on your journey.
Zman

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3/27/14 7:13 A

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Russell,

I'm still not clear how you perceive jogging as different to running.

Running with bad form can cause problems, at any speed. Heel strike in particular can cause issues, as the impact has nowhere to go but straight up the leg. A mid-foot or fore-foot strike allows the muscles in the foot and ankle to absorbed a lot of the impact.

But there is no reason why running slowly causes bad form. In fact, the decreased effort probably allows you to focus more attention on maintaining good form, rather than just struggling to maintain that level of intensity.

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3/26/14 1:39 P

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Russell,

I am curious about a comment you said. You stated that jogging implies improper form. What makes you say that? (I'm not trying to start an argument, just genuinely curious.) When done properly, there should be no difference in your form whether you're running at a faster or slower pace. It's the same with walking. If you're speed walking or leisurely strolling, your form should not change if done correctly. I am a little curious as to why you experience so much pain when running at a lower pace. Since you do make a distinction between running and jogging, I would be considered a jogger yet I'm able to run (er, jog) 5 days a week with no pain. A person should be taking full strides when they jog (although, they may have to work up to it). In theory, sprinting, jogging, and running are all the same movements just different speeds (hence why they're all considered 'running'). I do agree that a person should not jog everyday but that's because the body needs rest days, not because it's detrimental to one's health. A person should not sprint everyday either for the same reason.

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3/26/14 12:03 P

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I started C25k when I was technically obese (5'5", 199 lbs.). My running intervals were very slow, so those who make a distinction between running and jogging (I don't--I agree that they are the same) would definitely have called it jogging. I never experienced any pain in my knees, ankles, or anywhere else.

I think the key is to start slowly, get good shoes that are fitted properly, and use good form.



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3/26/14 9:30 A

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Trust me, there is a lot of difference between running, and jogging. Jogging puts a lot more weight on the knees, and is more jarring because you are not bouncing from step to step, but coming completely down on the leg, transferring all your energy up through the knees. The very nature of running at half speed, causes you to have a different stride, and how you do so, determines the force applied to the knee with each stride. Having done both, the jogging causes me pain in the knees, while running causes none. I have no knee injuries, so the only cause of pain is if I try to jog. Jogging is running with improper form, at a slower pace.. hence the different word. You don't take full strides when you jog. Also why you can't jog every day.

That being said, neither should be done by an obese person. Start with easier exercise, and build up to more strenuous exercise, whether you choose jogging, or running. I started with walking, biking, and swimming, and one day, just started running part of my walk, and increased from there in duration. You will know when you are ready to run ( or jog ). You will just want to, and can't stop yourself. When I was obese, I barely wanted to walk at first. Don't force exercise or you will either injure yourself, or make it feel like a chore.

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3/26/14 8:21 A

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This is why its *extremely* important to have good form when running, not matter what the speed. Bad form (aka "jarring finality as you stomp your foot to the ground") is a recipe for disaster while good form and foot strike will keep you injury free. A solid walking base before you start running will help you have good form in the long run.



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3/26/14 2:17 A

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I agree with M@L. As a runner, there is legitimately no difference between running and jogging. Some people will try to argue that running is sprinting and jogging is slower but even jogging is running. It's really just semantics.

At the end of the day, a person should choose an exercise that works for them. There are people who are 300 pounds and begin their weight loss journey by running (or jogging, if you prefer) the length of their driveway. Other people try and their bodies want nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter the weight, a person should never do an exercise that is painful. Not just soreness that comes but legitimate pain. If you enjoy running and have no major pain from it then go for it. If not, then there are plenty of wonderful exercises to try.



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There is no difference between jogging and running, other than the spelling.

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3/25/14 12:00 P

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Jogging is not natural. We are made to walk or run. So I walked for years, and now I occasionally run, but jogging puts a lot more weight on the knees. If you run properly, you don't have that jarring finality as you stomp your foot to the ground that you have when you jog.

Jog 100 yards, and focus on the force that comes up through your feet, and legs. Then go back and sprint 100 yards. Jogging is just incomplete running, and not a natural thing for your body to do. You are basically doing half-steps, instead of running at full extension.

If you can't sprint/run, there is nothing wrong with walking long distances, and walking as fast as you can. As you lose weight, you will want to run more, and more of your walk distances. Just do what is comfortable. Don't force exercise. If you are obese, just move as much as possible, and lose weight with diet. It is very rare that someone loses a bunch of weight, and does not increase exercise naturally, at their own pace.

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Due to previous injury(s) jogging is NEVER a good idea for me!

After completing a marathon, I had to decide whether I wanted to be able to walk down the road 30 yrs from now, or if I wanted to push the body limits now and jog. It isn't worth it for me for the long haul!

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Running is a high impact activity, at any weight., But yes, more weight does mean more impact.

However, the real issue is not so much how much impact, but rather how well adapted your leg muscles, tendons and bones are to absorbing that impact. Even for a light person, running is something you need to work up to gradually. Build up a solid walking base first (2-3 months), then transition to running via a Couch to 5K plan (8-12 weeks).

Being heavy doesn't mean you can't run, but it does make it more important that you take things gradually. And besides giving your muscles, tendons and bones enough time to get stronger and adapt to the impact, the added bonus is that it gives you the chance to lose some more weight along the way.

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3/24/14 12:49 P

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I will start out slow Speed walk then slow down pace then speed walk again repeat for 30 minutes until your able to speed walk for a full 30 minutes and just slowly work your way up to a slow jog until your able to jog at a safe pace. This will condition your body to eventually be able to Jog and Run.

Remember Never rush weight loss, it took a long time for the weight to get on it will take time to remove just be patient

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I'm no expert so this is just my common sense. I would not jog and/or run unless I had a healthy weight.
Why take the risk when one can also swim, ride a bike and do other forms of exercise until most of the extra weight is gone.




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3/24/14 11:34 A

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I was technically "obese" after I had my twins 3.5 years ago, and around that time I started to walk then jog again. Mind you, I had been running before, so it had been old hat for me. I don't think it's impossible personally. When I completed my first half marathon last Sunday there were quite a number of people who I would consider "obese," and they were running that half-marathon. Of course, I would recommend that if you have any health conditions or have doubts then you check with your doctor first before trying out any exercise regimen.



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3/24/14 11:14 A

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"QUESTION....if someone is obese...and they take on jogging as their exercise regimen...are they increasing their chances for osteoarthritis later on?"

There is no way of knowing that.
Everything come with risk, though.

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3/24/14 10:40 A

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I am obese, bmi around 35, and I have tried to start a jogging program or even just doing it a couple times a week serveral times. Each time I had to stop due to injury. I got shin splints, plantar facitis and other issues due to my weight, as well as the way my feet are. I have high arches, which could be the problem, but in my opinion there are much saver, lower impact exercises you can do until your body is ready for you to become a jogger/runner.

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Will jogging hurt an obese person's joints?
thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/18/will-jog
ging-hurt-an-obese-persons-joints/


But for a lot of obese people, it is hard to tell if the ache they feel in their knees and hips after taking long walks. is the extra weight or a knee problem. And most insurance won't cover x-rays and MRIs unless there is a real problem.

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3/24/14 9:59 A

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I'd be interested in the percentages behind these "risks." Risk is all relative. For example, my risk of being struck by lightening is greater than the risk of me developing smoke related lung cancer (I have never smoked and grew up in a smoke-intolerant household). But my risk of dying in a car crash dwarfs both of these. But that risk is still quite small given my driving record.

tl;dr: Give me numbers or its all hooey :P



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I took the osteoarthritis quiz featured today and I have a question about being obese and jogging.

The quiz said: "Every time you take a step, the force on your knees and hips equals two to three times your body weight! Your risk of developing osteoarthritis generally increases with the amount of weight that your joints have to bear. Once osteoarthritis has developed, being overweight exacerbates the condition.
Joint injuries or overuse, whether from physical labor, sports, or repetitive injury, can increase the risk for developing osteoarthritis. Even a single injury to a joint can result in the development of osteoarthritis many years later."

QUESTION....if someone is obese...and they take on jogging as their exercise regimen...are they increasing their chances for osteoarthritis later on?

Edited by: SHERYLDS at: 3/24/2014 (09:48)
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