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KILYGE70
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Thyroid medication sometimes need to be adjusted. You may pay attention to your moods, your hair, and how tired you are to see if something is off. Also, are you getting enough sleep, stressing too much, and drinking enough water? You have to be hydrated to keep your body functioning well.



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3/5/14 12:59 P

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Often people with endocrine problems have to eat fewer calories and or carbs due to slow metabolism. I exercise a lot more than you do and eat much less.

Experiment with changing your calorie levels and carbs until you find something that works for you.

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3/5/14 10:36 A

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Sounds strange, but sometimes you need to eat to lose. So don't be afraid to eat more. I'd try staying at the upper end of your recommended calorie range for a while and see if that helps your progress.

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3/5/14 8:33 A

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When I get to the upper end of my calories I have a hard time actually. Sometimes I see on the scale that I usually go down, however, it also makes me want to exercise more, which is what I'm trying to get away from. I can be OK around 1600, but when I eat over that 1700 I get a little panicky. That's my ocd kicking in. I go back to my endocronologist in August and I plan to ask about it since I shuold not be gaining weight at all especially since my metabolism is more towards the hyper end. I was just at my regular doc last month and she's at a loss.



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3/5/14 6:36 A

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With as much exercise as you're doing, 1500 calories sounds low to me. Have you tried eating toward the upper end of your SP-recommended calorie range? If so, what happens?

Eating too few calories is likely to make weight loss more difficult, but isn't necessarily going to make you gain weight. You might consider pushing your doctor a little more on this to try and investigate further in case there is some underlying medical reason it's happening.

Coach Jen

"You may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing that we call "failure" is not the falling down but the staying down." Mary Pickford

"No matter how slow you go, you are still lapping everybody on the couch."


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3/4/14 8:21 P

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Thx for those thoughts. to be honest, I as told by the NP for my endocronologist I should eat 1400 calories to lose weight, even with exercising. Personally, I think that's wrong because I was under the impression that when you burn more, you need to eat more because your body needs a certain amount of calories just to do it's regular thing. Also, eating 1700 to maintain, which I hardly ever do. I will try to keep mpore accurate check of my "snacks" just to check. As for tracking calories burned, I do that with SparkPeople and when I used a heart rate monitor, it actually showed that I burned more calories than SparkPeople did. Oh, and I'm female, 5'4". Not sure if that helps any. I guess I'm just very frustrated with the whole process and no one seems to be able to answer my questions. :)



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Are you male or female? How tall? Your username ends in Jr, which makes me think maybe you're a guy. If that's the case, talk to your doctors about whether you even need to lose weight.

Assuming that you're a petite woman and 135 really is a good weight for you...

Google "overtraining." The calorie burn you mentioned would put you right on the cusp of that. There actually is such a thing as too much exercise; at some point it just wears you out too much and your body reacts by retaining water and maybe slowing down resting metabolism a tiny bit. Overtraining has other symptoms, too, so read about it and see if it sounds like what's happening to you. If so, you might be better off exercising a little less to give yourself some rest and rebuild time.

If you're burning 600 calories an hour, you're doing something EXTREMELY strenuous. You might want also to think about the possibility that you're overestimating exercise calories burned. If your workouts really are that hard, you probably need a rest day in between them. That doesn't mean you don't exercise at all; it means you do your hard workout every other day, and on the "rest" days you go for a 3-mile walk or a short, flat, slow bike ride or something else active but not strenuous.

Ooh, one last thought... You mentioned having lost 80 pounds. Any chance that you forgot to change your weight in whatever exercise tracker you're using? If you started using that tracker when you weighed 50 pounds more than you do now and forgot to change it, you're operating under the assumption that you burn a LOT more calories than you really do. It's an easy mistake to make. (I did it for three months at one point because I was using custom exercise on a different computer program. It automatically adjusted for weight on the pre-programmed exercises but not on custom exercise.) If you're also estimating food portions instead of weighing and measuring, the two types of mistakes could easily add up to enough calories to prevent progress.



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..."sometimes a cheese stick, granola bar, veggie straws, homemade cookies, dark chocolate, sugar free Klondike." None of these snacks are evil in and of themselves, but if you are serious about losing the weight, they should not be part of your daily diet. They provide little-to-no nutrition and are not as diet friendly as they may seem (except maybe the cheese and dark chocolate.) If you snacked instead on fruit/veg balanced with a bit of protein, you'll likely feel full longer and get more bang for your calorie buck. If you think of the other *snacks* as treats instead, would you eat them as often?

I second the idea of tracking closely with Spark People for a couple of weeks (if you don't already) to be able to get a better picture of not just calories, but also protein/carbs/fat. It can be an eye-opening experience. Best of luck.

ETA; I know it's frustrating, but hopefully you realize that working out is improving your health, and the weight loss is a by-product. If you're only working out to lose weight, you'll have a very hard time sticking to it when the road gets rough, when you plateau, and when you enter maintenance. So, now seems like the perfect time to recognize your body for what it's capable of, pat yourself on the back for how far you have come, and assess how you think about this journey you're on.

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JPRICEJR
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3/4/14 8:38 A

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well, now I'm weighing in over 165. I've about had it. I am getting to the point where I'm wondering why bother exercising this much if I'm just going to gain weight anyway? It'd be great to get an extra hour of sleep in the morning! I'm extremely frustrated right now & just tired of the whole battle.




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2/6/14 8:41 A

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i guess it's possible. the one thing I could probably say for sure is that if I lack anything it's protein.



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2/4/14 6:56 P

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Are you getting too many carbs?

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A typical days menu.....breakfast on weekends is homemade whole wheat toast with natural peanut butter and jelly. weekdays, it's either oatmeal, cereal (cheerios, fiber one), or a fiber/protein bar if I'm in a hurry. Lunch is iffy, more snack-type- carrots & lite yogurt, or lowfat cottage cheese. If I'm with friends, typically I get a "raw veggie plate" from a salad bar. Dinner is on a medium sized plate. Lean meat (chicken tenderloin, roast) about 1/4 of the plate, veggies 1/2 the plate and an apple. Snacks throughout the day vary....sometimes a cheese stick, granola bar, veggie straws, couple homemade cookies (made with whole wheat flour about size of 50cent piece). I usually have a piece or 2 of dark chocolate every day. And, if my calories seem to be light, I may have a sugar free klondike. Also, my calorie burn, according to SP averages 600+ daily (today was 1000). Saturdays its around 400.



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JPRICEJR,

If you're not measuring your food and using eye ball measurement, then you may well be eating more than you think. If Americans suffer from anything, they suffer from portion distortion. Most people don't realize that they are eating too much. We've been conditioned to think a jumbo muffin (example) is a normal portion.

Let's take a muffin for a moment. Many think a muffin is pretty harmless. What most don't realize is that a medium sized muffin can contain 500+ calories. A small mini muffin is 100 to 120. So, the bigger the muffin, the more calories a person will eat at one sitting. I used to eat jumbo muffins. Little did I know I was eating 800+ calories.

I'm not saying you're eating jumbo muffins. the point is that if you're not logging your food or measuring portion sizes, you may be eating more than you think.

Too many people believe that as long as they exercise, it doesn't matter what they eat or how much. This is a total misconception. If a person wants to lose weight and keep it off, they have to do their best to eat right and watch their portions. Exercise can only help a person lose weight IF there is a caloric deficit i.e. calories in versus calories out.

In theory, if you burn more calories than you take in, eventually you will lose weight. However, the problem with exercise is that when people increase the amount of exercise they do, their appetite increases too. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Long story short, you can't outrun a bad diet with exercise. If you want to lose weight, you have to eat right and watch your portions first.

So, could you tell us what a typtical day's menu would be for you ? What do you eat for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks ? Knowing more about what you've been eating would be helpful.

Otherwise, we're just taking educated guesses.






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If I read this correctly, I'm a little confused: Your title says your are still gaining weight; the text says you've gained 30 pounds...and then you say you are "stuck in this range (158-163) for quite a long time" Some questions I would look at are: what is your definition of "quite a long time"; when did you gain the 30 lbs; has your Doctor investigated/ ruled out Pre-Diabetes, Metabolic syndrome, and thyroid issues; and How often do you actually weigh yourself?

My advice is that you really try weighing/measuring and tracking everything for about two weeks...and perhaps start looking at when you eat and observe if you are in your ranges for carb/fat/protein and sodium. Sometimes we can be eating relatively healthy, and still be eating too much without realizing it. And if Pre-Diabetes, etc is involved, sometimes it will matter "how much of carbs & when" you eat them since you can't process carbs the same as some folks. If you are becoming "sodium sensitive", you could be retaining more fluid than before....

Keep working at this---you WILL figure it out, and put this in your past!! You are doing great on exercise....so it pretty much has to come down to something about your eating....!
all the best,
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JPRICEJR
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OK, current weight is 163, goal weight is 135. I have a multitude of workout dvd's that I switch up all the time. I figure 2-3 weeks before I repeat any one workout. The walking I do is a power walk and we try for at least 3 days a week. SP suggests 1550-1900 calories, I think. No, I don't measure, but can tell by my clothes. For me, I actually lost about 80 pounds several years ago. I gained back almost 30, most ot which occurred after I began exercising! I have not lost any weight at all since around Xmas. However I have been stuck in this range (158-163) for quite a long time but every time I ask docs, I think I just confuse them. And believe me, my diet around Xmas may have included some treats, but I certainly wasn't living off cookies! Thanks for your time!




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How long has this been going on? If it's just been a couple of weeks, this is likely normal, as explained above. Are you weighing and measuring when you're tracking?

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JPRICEJR,

Have you noticed a gain since you decided you wanted to lose weight ? If so, that actually isn't unusual. While a safe weekly weight loss would be 1-2 pounds per week, there will be weeks you don't lose. there will even be weeks you gain ! And that doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. the weight doesn't magically drop off the minute we decide we need to lose. It really could take 6-8 weeks of healthy eating and regular exercise before a person sees a change in the scale. And that too is perfectly normal.

Also, it's not unsual to see a gain in the scale when a person decides they need to lose. This is not because they are eating too much. It's a result of water weight gain. You mentioned that you've been exercising quite a bit. When a person exercises intensely or changes their routine, their muscle fibers soak up water like a sponge. This is what they are supposed to do. Your muscles will release any excess water they don't need once your body has adapted to the new routine.

It really isn't unusual to retain water at first. That's the most likely cause of a gain in the scale if you know you've been eating right.

Also, Coach Jen does ask some very important questions. The more information you can give us, the more helpful we can be.



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2/3/14 9:29 A

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What is your current and goal weight? Do you change your exercise routine regularly? What calorie range does SP suggest for you? Do you measure yourself? Is it possible you've lost weight even if the scale isn't moving? How much weight have you gained and over what period of time? How long has it been since you lost any weight?

Coach Jen

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"No matter how slow you go, you are still lapping everybody on the couch."


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2/3/14 8:37 A

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So, I exercise about an hour 5 days a week, 45 minutes the 6th day and I also walk with a friend 3-4 times a week between 3 and 4 miles depending on time. I track my fitness on SparkPeople, I keep a food log, I eat an average of 1500 calories per day. I am also slightly "hyper" on the metabolism scale as I am on thyroid medication. I have been consistently ganing weight. The one doc gave me a list of foods I should be eating...well, I already eat those foods. The other has no clue. Logic tells me that I need to eat more to get the right "balance" but when I do, I want to exercise more. Any suggestions or thoughts? Thanks!



 
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