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Yeah it actually also helped get me through a rough patch. In addition to the foot injury, this week was the 1-yr anniversary of my Dad's death. It is unusual for me, but I didn't feel like working out. But, I was able to pop on the bike and get a little bit in. And a little bit is better than zero, so that was excellent!

I have the parts together but the gym isn't in the room it's supposed to be yet. I'm simultaneously working on remodeling the upstairs of my Mom's house and that's the priority. Also I want to have a TV etc down there and improve the lighting before moving stuff in there, because I won't do it if I have to stare at a wall in a dark room.

Right now it's in the living room so there's not as much space but I don't care, I am using it.



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TRI_BABE: Love it! You are really into getting yourself a "home gym." You are active and seem to be having a lot of fun while working on fitness. I love having my own home gym. The more variety we add to our exercising, the more we will keep doing it, and the less likely to quit doing it.

Best of luck! Enjoy the spinning!

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So the winner is...

I went with a regular stationary bike. I wanted the option to spin fast at a relatively low intensity if desired, and this one has a large display panel, which is good for reading books and, I wanted something that would leave my hands free so I could get an "exercise desk" type thing and occasionally do workouts while surfing the web on my laptop or watching a movie on it, since I don't know when I'll have the TV in place downstairs.

I found a used one that someone was selling inexpensively that looked barely used and already LOVE it, and probably have used it more than they did. LOL.

However, I am still intrigued with the AirDyne and frankly miss using my arms on a "real workout". On the skier or when skiing, in the power circuit class I go to, and even when running, I am using my arms/upper body so it feels kind of odd to sit there and not use my arms. Not saying it is a bad workout it just feels a bit odd is the only way I can describe it, when you're used to using your arms. On a real bike you use your arms/upper body more.

I won't have my regular bikes for a bit to put on rollers (I think I will be here for the winter and there's too much snow/ice to ride outside).

I mentioned before that I saw something that is a combined elliptical/bike, but I think the resistance is fan-powered similar to an AirDyne. Because an elliptical or fan bike would be secondary equipment in my little gym, I'm interested in trying one of these out. Sometimes I like to cross train when I have to do indoor cardio - like 5-10 minutes on one machine, 5-10 on another, in a rotational pattern so I don't get bored.

I think with that machine (maybe) and perhaps a rower (fan based, not hydraulic) it would really be a complete set-up. I like rowers because they also use the whole body- legs, core, arms/upper body. I'm monitoring Craigslist... someone was selling a rower but I hesitated and missed out. LOL.






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"Seriously, are you expecting me to believe that the arm movements are somehow propelling you through the air?"

No, I am expecting you to believe that moving one's arms helps with upper body strengthening and burns calories. I would argue that people who run, burn more calories when they move their arms and also exercise their arm, shoulder, and other upper body muscles.

My point about the value of the Airdyne is that it not only burns calories, it helps provide a total body workout.

I don't have a problem if you disagree with that. You have no intention of riding an Airdyne, and I have every intention of continuing to do so. If I am wrong, it has no effect on people who don't ride Airdynes. People who do ride Airdynes would probably agree with me.

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" For those people who question the value/effect of exercising both the arms and legs simultaneously, I would ask them if when they run, they leave their arms at their sides in zombie fashion. Also, when a person does power walking, he/she moves his/her arms to help burn calories."

People swing their arms while running or power walking to counter-balance the rotational movement of the legs. The arms counter-rotate the torso against the direction that the legs are trying to move in, keeping you facing forward and thus allowing you to develop more power from the legs. Seriously, are you expecting me to believe that the arm movements are somehow propelling you through the air?

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10/7/13 10:52 P

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Isn't this the truth: "Come Jan 1 everyone will be buying it up to fulfill (probably empty) new years resolutions!"

Being injured or ill really can put a crimp in one's fitness regimen. My time is surely coming, but I have been very fortunate the last 5 years, every since I quit jogging/running because it caused excruciating, almost debilitating, pain in both knees, but mainly the right.

Best of luck in all things!

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10/7/13 10:33 P

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I'm an athlete so fitness minded is just who I am, lol. Just trying to make the best of having a somewhat injured foot with bad medical insurance and not being able to full on train while losing my last few lbs! Will update when I get something.

And you never know, I called about a ski machine that was one step up from the one I had and the guy said I could just take it for free since no one else has even called. Thus time of year is a good time to buy used exercise equipment. Come Jan 1 everyone will be buying it up to fulfill (probably empty) new years resolutions!

Thanks all for the help!!



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10/7/13 10:21 P

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"Most of the time the bikes people are selling have very little use, for obvious reasons (lol)."

Definitely! Good luck on your quest. And kudos on being so fitness-minded!

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10/7/13 9:48 P

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Yeah I'm looking for a used exercise bike. I don't want to pay much because I would use it infrequent for cross training as I'm primarily a runner, and also because cross country ski season is coming up. A lot of people are selling a lot of different bikes so that's where I'm seeing these. I'm also probably moving again soon and want to minimize what I need to take with me.

I've responded to ads for various types of bikes. I'll have to go armed with the info from this thread and just try them out. Most of the time the bikes people are selling have very little use, for obvious reasons (lol).



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10/7/13 9:06 P

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TRI_BABE: I will admit that I am biased toward the Airdyne. I have tried other exercise bikes, since my nephew ran a gym for years and had a lot of different cardio equipment. Also, I use to visit my health-doctor friend's business, and he had an array of cardio equipment, too. TACDGB may be correct about the view that an Airdyne is not all that great. I personally think it is wonderful, but I have no proof other than my own experience.

I'm not familiar with other brands of fan-resistance bikes. One thing some people do is to buy a conversion stand that allows one to take his/her outside bike and use it indoors. I do not know enough about those to recommend any, but Googling will give several examples. My nephew did that with his outdoor bike, but I never ever asked him how much he like it or used it.

Occasionally, when I have watched a bit of the Tour de France and a few other sporting events, I have seen the ProForm Le Tour De France bike advertised. I think it sells for around $1400-$1500. It has a bunch of special things such as duplicating going up and down hills and providing visionary motivation.

As far as watching TV and listening to music, I have earphones which plug into the front of my TV, so I often listen to music on my CD player or I watch and listen to TV as I spin. That makes it really easy for me to get in my spinning each day.



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I will pedal my 2 cents worth here..........I had an airdyne bike years ago. I also took a spin bike class several months ago. Now the spin bike class gave me a better workout. I did not think that the airdyne was any better. I felt as I didn't get as good of a workout as the spin bike. I am looking into buying a spin bike as I feel it gives a better workout. With the arms moving on the airdyne I did not feel the resistance to be any big help.......I have those arms on my treadmill.......I use them some but I don't feel any great help with that.

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10/7/13 5:47 P

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I read the AirDyne does work your whole body so I guess it depends what type of workout I would want. A regular stationary bike bothers me because I'm not using my upper body (you do on a real bike + core) however, I do like to do drills on a stationary bike too.

However sometimes I do like to do "real bike" drills on the bike or spin fast but easy for a recovery workout.

Maybe I need two bikes. LOL!

Are other brands of bikes with fan resistance generally not as good as the AirDyne? I do wonder about the noise because I often like to listen to music or watch a movie when I'm working out inside.

As I a side note I have also looked at (online) a couple of combination bike/elliptical machines. I don't think I will get one because 1) I already have a ski machine which is similar to an elliptical and 2) I think the feet pads on it are too big to simulate a real bike/no straps to hold your foot to the pedal.

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TRI_BABE: That indeed would be the case. There certainly are not as many options in terms of regulating speeds or resistance as there might be on other high-end bikes. If a person wanted faster pedaling, but lower/easier resistance, I don't think Airdyne would work.

My reasons for recommending it would be:
(1) much less chance of parts wearing out -- the wind blades are basically not going to break, for example.
(2) More of a complete, whole body work out, upper and lower body. One can use the foot rests so that only the arms are moving the wind-blades. Or he/she can just use the legs, with no help from the arms.
(3) The Evolution is quieter than the Gold version, since the wind blades are smaller. Also, the drive chain on the Evolution is quieter.
(4) Decent module for readouts of calories consumed, time, distance, etc. There are 3 different screens, each with 3 different rows of read-outs.
(5) Will link with some HRM chest straps for read-out on the module.
(6) Doesn't take up much room, and can be tipped so that it can be moved on little wheels from room to room or room to storage.
(7) comfortable seat, in my opinion, and one that is easily adjustable.
(8) One can easily "lock" down the wheel, so that little children would not be able to start the wind blades moving and get hurt.

Reasons one might not want to buy one:
(1) the cost. The Airdyne Evolution is expensive -- around $650 - $700.
(2) the module, at least the one that I have, does not allow storage of previous work outs.
(3) Little variety as far as choosing speeds, resistance levels, etc.
(4) Although the noise level on the Evolution is less than on the Gold model, it is still noisier than on some competitors' exercise bikes.
(5) For some reason when I had the chain guard on, the chain slipped off the sprocket. That happened 3 times intermittently when I would make sudden stops. I just removed the chain guard, and it has not slipped off for over 2 years. I don't know if that was unique just to the Airdyne I bought; but, if not, if one has little children running around, maybe that would be a problem.



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I use the windbike at the gym, really gets your heart rate up.

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I've read the AirDynes can give a killer workout. But I've also read the resistance you get increases the faster you pedal. As a result, does this not simulate outdoor riding well? Sometimes I like to practice high rpms with little resistance. Thanks!



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TRI_BABE: I have been using a Schwinn AirDyne Evolution for almost 5 years. I use both the moving handles and the pedals to get in my time and miles. It provides a superior cardio workout. For those people who question the value/effect of exercising both the arms and legs simultaneously, I would ask them if when they run, they leave their arms at their sides in zombie fashion. Also, when a person does power walking, he/she moves his/her arms to help burn calories. Yes, having a stationary bike that allows moving handles can be very beneficial. The arm action will help muscle building for the arms, chest, and shoulders.

If one has the mental toughness, doing High Intensity Interval Training on an Airdyne would be a super way to exercise. I find it too mentally taxing, unfortunately.

A health wellness doctor friend of mine has several AirDynes available for his clients. My nephew, who ran a gym for years, always had some AirDynes available, both the older gold models and then the new Evolutions.

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10/1/13 2:34 P

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No, just something to keep the weight off my foot. I'd use rollers for my bike indoors, but my bikes are across the country right now.



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The only stationary bikes I've seen with moving arms are the ones that scissor back and forth in time with your pedalling. If you're just looking for another machine to add cardio x-training, then yeah, adding the arms will add an extra calorie burn. If you're looking for an indoor cycling replacement, I'd get one of those stands that hooks onto your bike so it turns it into a stationary bike.



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Well everyone works out their own way, so if you prefer to just use your legs and feel it's your best workout, do so. I primarily run, compete in triathlons and secondarily xcountry ski when in season. I want a stationary bike for my cross training or if I am injured. In training I prefer full body strength and cardio workouts to just using the legs. It's rare to find a serious athlete who just works their legs. I also think this is why my whole body looks very toned and not just my legs. Even when I used to teach group exercise, step aerobics, etc, we always emphasized using the arms strongly for about 20% more calorie burn.

But to each their own... I just know that if someone puts me in a race with another xcountry skier who is only using their legs (or has only trained their legs), I'm gonna smoke 'em... same with another cyclist who has a weak upper body and core, especially on a hilly race. \
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Yeah, XC skiing is definitely a sport where endurance in the upper body muscles will help, and if that is your chosen sport, your off season training should include some upper body work as well. I suspect there that the use of the arms helps get more out of the glide, and perhaps also that the additional points of balance means the leg muscles can push harder. It is definitely a help with the specific mechanics of XC skiing, but I'm not convinced upper body cardio is inherently a better way to work out.

If you go fast enough cycling up a hill (or with enough resistance on a stationary bike) using your legs alone, you will hit the limits of your fitness, and how fast the heart and lungs can deliver energy to the muscles. Using the arms shares the work, but doesn't alter how much oxygen the heart and lungs can deliver, and thus how many calories you can burn. The arm muscles need some of the available oxygen too, which means there is less available for the leg muscles.

Using the arms may encourage some people to work harder, but it does not inherently burn more calories than if they just pedalled harder with their legs.

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If it is a combination effort and then you increase the resistance to be higher than what could be done by either the arms or legs alone, then the workout would be better, burn more calories and involve the arms, no?

I cross country ski outdoors and also and have a Nordic track ski machine to help me train for that purpose. Involving the arms is a large part of that workout, you're not just moving the arms randomly you're involving the back, chest, as well as the arms. Using the arms you are able to propel yourself faster than you could using just the legs alone and yes, as a result, your workout is intensified. If you train in xcountry skiing you will feel it and it will tone your whole body, not just your legs. That's why it's one of the few sports that burns more calories than running.

I also go to a power circuit/kettlebells workout, similar to a bootcamp style of workout. In it we do all sorts of kettlebell exercises, push-ups and variations, truck tire flips, battle rope swings, etc. It's both strength and cardio as a result of the intensity. Without arms that workout would not exist.

So, I feel there is a large benefit to adding arms to a cardio workout. I just checked and according to this article on Livestrong, the bikes with moving arms do burn more calories and make the workout more intense, so I think I will try it out. www.livestrong.com/article/342669-how-many
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It takes a set amount of work to overcome the resistance of the bike. Sharing the work between the arms and the legs doesn't alter the amount of work being done - ie. it will burn the same amount of calories.

Cardio is basically about the ability of the heart and lungs to deliver oxygen to the muscles. The leg muscles are the largest and strongest in the body, and can easily consume more than the heart can deliver.

Beyond increasing the endurance of the arm muscles (and I'm not sure what the actual point of that would be, especially as it is at the expense of developing the endurance of the leg muscles), there is not much benefit to involving the arms in a cardio workout.

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Ok. I have a Nordic Track Ski Machine and I like that I can use the arms. Wasn't sure about a bike but I saw it for sale.



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I have a bike with the moving arms but I don't do arms and legs together. It seems like it would make it easier. I do legs first, and then do arms.
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I am looking to buy a stationary bike, does anyone find the ones with moving arms add anything to the workout or no? Thanks!



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