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GReattach advice! Thanks for adding!



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I realize this is a few months later, but I'll respond anyway. I hope things are going better for you now. (I've gone off the rails the last year or so, but I'm trying to get my act together again).

I can relate to you on the chips issue -- salty-oily-crunchy things are my downfall too. It's part of being female, I think. We crave stuff like that, and I especially craved salty stuff the week before my period, back when I used to have them. It was easier for you to give up soda because sugar probably isn't your trigger. In my experience, I have had to decide that we can't have Cheez-Its even in the house; I will open up a good book and eat them all. May I suggest pretzels? They're also salty and crunchy but much less fat... that might satisfy that crave. But, sometimes, I still really want some CheezIts, so I get a tiny 1-ounce bag in the canteen, enjoy it, move on. one ounce isn't going to get me in that much trouble.

The other issue you keep mentioning is feeling hungry. The solution to that is to find things to eat that are VERY filling but not high in calories. My mother's secret weapon was a pot of that 11-bean soup--she'd just help herself to it whenever she felt hungry, but it wasn't high-fat or high-calorie.

My version of that is a batch of brown rice mixed with pinto beans and no-salt diced canned tomatoes. I can add other flavors to my portion like salsa or spaghetti sauce, or curry, or whatever taste I'm in the mood for. High fiber, low fat, guaranteed not to leave you hungry for some time. Oatmeal with chopped apple and walnuts or something would be good for that too.

Make your own muffins--whole-wheat, honey, raisins, almonds, whatever you're into--in a huge batch on the weekend--a couple dozen or more. Freeze them all. Take one with you to work and warm it up. Convenient, tasty, nutritious--and moreover, it puts the power in YOUR hands instead of the hands of giant faceless mega-corps who just want to sell us sugar-and chemical-loaded junk.


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Good for you! Soooo glad you are doing better and getting it together!! Keep up the super work....You are on a roll now......I knew you would figure it out......You deserve some positive attention now.....Kudos!! Soak up all the positives and remember not to dwell on the negatives.... emoticon emoticon emoticon It's good karma....when you send out the positive...you'll get the positives right back atcha!!



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I think you are doing great! You are managing to maintain a balance and still have the things you like in moderation and keep them within your budget!

Well done!

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I know reviving an old thread is a big message board is generally frowned upon, but I thought I'd come back with a little bit of progress.

For some reason or another, I've been managing to stay relatively on track following Weight Watchers this time around. I did struggle a bit the first two weeks before I decided to swap my weigh-in days, and I'm now down 7 pounds in 2 weeks.

I also kept to only 2 or 3 bags of chips in April and I haven't had any potato chips at all so far this month. I also have been avoiding the snack cakes, but that doesn't mean I didn't have a few slips... some movie popcorn, ribs, an order of fries with my steak. All was planned (except the ribs... and the bagel), all was tracked, and I was able to get right back on track the next meal- something I've always struggled with!

The other day, my friend and I went to Cheesecake Factory with a giftcard. He and I both were not too pleased with the Skinnylicous Appetizers, so we decided to compromise and get the Sweet Corn Tamale cakes. Sources on MyFitnessPal give it an 8-12 point range, so I decided to call it 10 and use some weekly points as a buffer just in case. I also ordered the fresh veggie salad which has beets, asparagus, edamame, and a number of other veggies, sharp cheddar cheese chunks, and chicken. I decided to go with olive oil and vinegar on the side. I figured since I was getting an unhealthy appetizer and cheesecake, I'd go light on the meal itself.

Of course, that's not as big of a success as our trip to TGI Fridays. We split a Flatbread, with me getting the smaller half (my friend had an extra piece more than I did). Then, I did indulge in some fries, but as soon as I was done with them, I poured Sweet n Low all over them to keep from eating. Even more impressive, when my best friend ordered my favorite dessert (one that's close to my entire allowance), I had one bite of the cake and one bite of ice cream.... NO MORE.

Granted, I definitely haven't been perfect, but I think I'm doing reasonably well considering a little over a month ago, I couldn't stick to anything for more than a day- and I'm not even sure why I'm suddenly not doing so terribly.

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"Besides, this is supposed to be a "lifestyle" and not a "diet." How many naturally skinny people do you know that count calories? The only people I know who count them are DIETING."

to the op-i have maintained 132 pounds (at 5ft 6) for nearly a year. when i started sparks, i was 158 pounds-the heaviest i had ever been (except when i was pregnant) if i had continued to eat more than i required, i would have continued to gain weight.

i track-i watch calories. so skinny people count calories too.

edit: if you are trying to go from 3500 calories to 1500 calories a day-that is a big cut. maybe try a gradual reduction.
good luck!

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Is this thread serious? Like really serious? The OP wants to lose weight but is downing 4000 calories in a day(there's about 3500 calories in a pound remind you) snacking on chips, fast food, a box of little Debbie Zebra cakes and complaining she isn't losing weight or "sticking to a diet"? Making every single excuse in the book to every suggestion besides "my dog died" about how she can't eat healthy(doesn't even sound like she wants to!) and can't stick to a plan! I know we are here to support each other but this is irritating. Lissa fits the stereotype obese people have to fight everyday..MAKING EXCUSES.
Lissa you know what you need to do. You know why you're not losing weight. You know why you can't stick to a plan. Why?! Because you choose not to!! I was one of the laziest, making excuses, "Im big boned and can't lose weight" saying people on the planet. That was 2 years and about 50 pounds ago. I'm STILL trying to get to my goal weight because I CHOSE to fall off and not continue to be healthy. It is not easy; the weight isn't going to drop off. you are going to feel hungry, you going to want that extra slice of pizza, burger, Zebra cake because humans bodies are wired to want fatty foods. I'm 22 years old; I work part time, go to school FULL time, volunteer every Friday and try to have a normal social life w friends all at the same time. Its hard and I have slacked off however there isn't anyway in my right mind that I would stop exercising and not eat healthy but not expect to gain weight back. I still have try to be in the gym 3 times a week or I'll feel terrible.
You have to fight through it and if you literally can't you need to go see a doctor about what's going on; that is not normal if you are eating healthy stuff withing a healthy calorie range. You can't stick to a plan because you choose not to and give up. Eating 4000 calories is more than excessive.
I don't even know what to say to help her because posters before have told you everything I had in mind but she make excuses for each and every one. Lissa, I wish you the best in your journey but you are def not ready for..whatever you're trying to do



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SIMPLELIFE2, I agree!!! Just thought that at some stage I would figure out what the questioner really wanted! May be it is just the attention! As the previous few comments have said she has got lots of different advice and different ways of looking at it. It is amazing that none resonate with her!

We can only change if we want to do it for ourselves! And her last comment talks about what everyone else wants her to do?? Lissa, you have to want to do it for yourself. And like the last commentator said, stop thinking and writing and just do!! We can all suffer from 'paralysis by analysis'!!

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I don't think anybody here "wants" you do anything (except maybe to adopt a more gracious and/or less defeatist tone in your posts.) Maybe you could try and make your next post an enthusiastic woo-hoo celebration? If you prioritize your goals, you will have an achievement or two to celebrate by the end of next week. Write it down - cheer us up!

The thread has been running for ten days now - ten days of intensive reflection on your part, ten days of extensive brainstorming lots of people have been involved with - and I've decided not to look at it again for the next ten days. At some point, all that brainstorming and reflection has to give way to quiet, determined implementation, without constant background thoughts and constant external input on whether what you are doing is right and whether it will "work" or not. You've already gathered lots of input. And you have fixed a lot of your own observations and analysis in writing - if you comb back through the thread, you will find useful stuff, and maybe pick up on some contradictions in your logic, and maybe come up with some more solutions for your typical problem situations and triggers (for example: veggies = late night hunger attack || 1/2 can of kidney/garbanzo/pinto beans + veggies = sound sleep?).

If you haven't already done so, make sure how you know how you're going to be accountable to yourself over the next few weeks. If you have goals that aren't measurable on a scale, or through calorie tracking, or by knowing you have stuck to a certain list of foods or a certain plan, then you're going to need a journal or a table to track your steps, deserts and whatever else you are tracking, and you are going to have to be extra-careful to ensure you don't self-sabotage with behaviour that is technically "allowed" but not constructive, or by having too many goals and fudging the implementation of all of them a little bit and ending up back at "Why can't I ever stick to anything?" Be conscious of what you are eating and why you are making the choices that you are making, but don't judge yourself on that basis. You might want to change your SparkPage to reflect your new focus on the constructive steps you are taking rather than the things that haven't worked for you so far.

Right, end of long lecture. I'm out, for now. Good luck and happy cooking!



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If you're replying to me you need to seriously consider how you come across in written form.

I said eat some damn chips, I'm a person who doesn't say eliminate. I did understand what you wrote, I also interpreted what you seemed to be looking for, based on your phrasing and aggressive comments.

I did not say cut the calorie counting, I said don't obsess about ever little calorie, because it doesn't appear to be helping you, and I personally have found a slightly different way that works for me. I'm sharing my experiences. I didn't you're always eating cake, I was giving an example. I don't know what else to say about it, if you can't understand the use and limits of an example. Anyway, my point is one I find particularly valid if counting calories makes you stressed about how many you have left.




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I said I was going to work on cutting back SEVERLY on potato chips... As in pretty much ELIMINATING them. Isn't that what everyone wanted me to do?

I am not counting out calorie counting completely. It just isn't right for me at this point. My plan is to adjust how I'm eating first, and THEN tweak the numbers as needed rather than starting with a number range and adjusting my food intake based on numbers.

And that is kind of what I was planning on doing for my bedtime snack. Of course, my "snack" might also be some buttered popcorn with dark chocolate chips so it will NOT always be cake or cookies.

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I've read through this threat, lots of great posts, but I've concluded that clearly, some of it isn't working for you in particular. My thoughts:

-Don't worry about what you're eating until you're back to normal. You'll just drive yourself batty and potentially mess up your mentality. I say this as someone who had a period of eating 200-400 calories a day, and couldn't stop. I'd literally feel stuffed and nauseous on 100cals.
-If things aren't working for you, try something else. Which it sounds like you're doing with starting to plan for treats. Cutting back is a great first step, it's healthier even if you don't lose weight. Yes, people will say to cut them out almost-entirely, but say
"thanks for sharing" and move on. There's plenty of opinions on here I disagree with, but hey, different opinions are good. We just all need to be tolerant and focus on what we can productively use.
-You can't go to a shrink, but go to a doctor. If you're hungry that much, it could be physiological. If it is, it's best to know. Also, are you in any groups on here? Support from people going through the same things isn't a replacement for professional help, but can be a solid alternative for ongoing reassurance, advice, and motivation.
-Stop worrying about details. One thing I've noticed about Weight Watchers is that they use points rather than calorie counts. I know the math drives me batty - I use it long enough to get a good idea of portion size and calories, and then estimate my meals from there, using the basic formula of carb, protein, veggie/fruit, and fat at every meal or snack. Keep a rough total in your head (for instance, I count most fruits as 100, protein as 75 or 100, account for portions and then move on. Or, if you're familiar enough with points, use those.
-I know it can be rough to limit portions, especially of sweet yummy things. Something that worked for me is to make them special: instead of grabbing a Zebra Cake and wandering off, I unwrap it, put it on a plate, add some cut apples or other fruit, pour a glass of milk or coffee, and call it a snack. By eating it slowly and making it special, I wind up happy, avoid eating another one, and enjoy it more for having lots of little bites, and "cleansing my palate" between bites with the fruit.

Just to remark on earlier conflict, which I don't want to rehash but I'm not sure this was mentioned - there were caps used, which I believe were intended as emphasis, but that doesn't always come across well, depending on the forum. Here, people seem to take caps as aggression, unintended as it may be.



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No, it proves your unwillingness to listen to good advice you've been given and your unwillingness to sacrifice what is necessary to achieve good health. It also is a testament to your argumentative nature, not your ability to achieve anything (although your argumentative nature is hindering you more than you could possibly dream).

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Which further proves my theory that I'm hopeless and nothing will change.

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@ERICADURR: 5) Why am I responding again? Gaaahhhh. **THIS**

I'm only reading this for entertainment purposes at this point and even that is losing its charm. emoticon

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Oh, and the rule is UP to 250 calories of dessert per day which is roughly about 10% of my total caloric needs at the LOWEST end of my Spark ranges (and I've never been able to stick to that. I usually eat near the middle to top of my range). Not having a dessert at night also counts. I'm just putting a CAP on how many calories I can spend on sweets (cakes/cookies/ice cream etc) each day (or most days, rather). Maybe, next, I'll set a goal on salty, crunchy snacks and put a cap on how many calories I'm allowed to spend on those. Then, I'll set a snack/treat allowance and give myself 250 calories 6 days per week to spend on either chips OR cake OR whatever other junk food I want. I'm simply just breaking up my junk food habits and tackling it a little at a time.

I KNOW I eat too many calories worth of junk food each day. I am fully aware, but I also know that counting calories will require me (both physically and mentally) to remove all junk food from my diet in order to stay in my ranges. That's NEVER FREAKING WORKED for me. I end up hungry and deprived, so I'm wondering if cutting back gradually will work better. I definitely feel that 250 calories of dessert a night is still very generous. It's just my FIRST step. Ideally, I'll cut that goal to only 100-150 calories 6 days per week, or I'll find another way to cut back (maybe I'll make sure at least three times per week, my "dessert" is a yogurt instead of a cookie).


Oh and I would wake up hungry on the days I was eating a freaking 1,500 calorie diet full of lean protein, whole grains, and lots of fruit and vegetables. The days I didn't eat chips or snack cakes. The days I didn't eat dessert.

But I still don't understand how I can be subbing out chips for sugar when I was eating both to begin with.

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And I realize that 6 goals are a lot, but at the same time, not all of them are applied to every day.

The recipe goal is just once during the entire week. The appetizer goal is just 2 or 3 times or so during a week.

Besides, I realized that, when I cut out soda, I was cutting out most carbs for South Beach, and I only managed to keep the soda streak going for more than a day. It's possible that I'll fail at 4 or 5 of the goals within a week, but I'll manage to hold onto 1 or 2.

But my goal is not necessarily to drop a lot of weight right now. My goal is to smoothly transition into "dieting" rather than to jump all-in right away.

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I usually eat the entire box of snack cakes during a day or two AND a bag of chips. How is cutting it down to a single snack cake or so and NO chips replacing chips with sugar?

And I don't order chips online. That's part of why that brand is the only brand I'll allow myself. The chances of me getting it are practically 0, so I'm basically saying "no chips" for the month of April.

And the last time I cut out sweets I ended up lasting about a day before I devoured a box of snack cakes. Cutting them out completely just doesn't work well for me.

And it's not necessarily "sweets" I like in a certain sense. I actually don't care for candy much at all; I'd rather have cake or pie. I'm more into substantial sweet treats and dessert over just pure sugar.

Oh, and my goal is not "Once a week I can have a restaurant dessert AND a 250 calorie serving of cookies." On the night I split a slice of Cheesecake with my best friend (because we usually DO split dessert), I don't get the cookies.

And I'm not expecting to be able to drink milk for another week or so at least. To be honest, I haven't had any kind of dessert since Tuesday (except for a pudding cup yesterday to test how my stomach tolerated the dairy in it). I've eaten a few chips, but nowhere near the amount I would have eaten if I wasn't sick in bed.

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Achieving those goals will make a difference, I think. Of course it doesn't sound like a regimen that would help somebody who was only marginally overweight lose the last few pounds, but it might be enough to get the ball rolling for you.

You may not see results on the scale fast if you decide to reorganize your eating slowly and gradually rather than "going on a diet", so you may have to dig deep and find motivation in the process itself - satisfaction that you are gradually gaining more control over what you eat, discovering new, heathy recipes and things you can order when you eat out, redefining your relationship with food and exercise, ticking off goals you have stuck to.

Introducing six goals at the same time actually sounds like quite a lot of things to juggle. The risk is that you end up being a bit lax with all of them, and then throwing them all out the window because nothing seems to be working.

So... I would take the first goal - the ten thousand steps a day, or seventy thousand steps a week (I make that about 35 miles!!!) and decide to stick to that one NO MATTER WHAT. If you only take five thousand steps one day, you take fifteen thousand the next day. If you average two miles a day during the week, that leaves you with 25 miles to walk at the weekend - almost an entire marathon. That goal alone isn't a small change - it's a big one, and even if you don't do much with any of your other goals in April, I think you can be really proud of yourself if you get to the end of the month and have walked for an hour nearly every day and covered 140 miles or more. I think achieving that one goal alone would merit a woo-hoo post at the end of April (I look forward to reading it!). Then you take four days off before achieving it again in May, along with the next thing on the list. And so on - you're young, you can afford to take your time, but you have to inch relentlessly forward and make sure you don't get distracted by results on the scale, good or bad. (I can be too lax when I'm getting nice numbers from the scale, and when the numbers are moving in the wrong direction, the temptation is to give up altogether.) Focus on the process.



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You are planning to eat 2,000 calories a week in junk food!!!!! And you consider that a step in the right direction. 2,000 is enough calories to keep the average moderately active woman going for a day! So you are either a) eating an extra day's worth of calories a week in junk ( which will have you gaining a pound every other week!) or b) you are incorporating them into your overall calorie count, in which case you are really starving yourself of nutrients. Junk food has no nutrients and your body needs nutrients! That is why the experts tell us we are overfed and under nourished!! If you are eating restaurant deserts at night it explains why you are waking up hungry. It is a sugar crash!! Sugar at the levels you are eating it are toxic to your body!

I am sure you have a reason as to why any of this won't work for you either, but eating as much junk as you do won't help your health what ever about weight loss!! If you order chips online, I am sure you will order in bulk!!

Take small steps, a) cut out all junk food and empty calories, b) stop counting calories c) eats lots of fresh and freshly prepared food c) exercise more, doesn't have to be a lot.

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1) It sounds like you're subbing out chips for sugar.

2) I realize you don't like tracking calories. It's because you don't want to be confronted with the fact that all this junk you're eating adds up to a gazillion calories a day. I think you should reconsider and focus on counting your calories for three days with absolutely all your food "allowances" and see how many calories you're truly consuming to tell you whether these goals are healthy or not (hint: they're not).

3) If you can't control yourself around sweets, then just don't buy them. Don't buy one. I LOVE sugar, but went an entire month without eating it and it took my body two weeks to stop craving it. Yes, it sucks, but after you've broken the habit, you can slowly introduce a little bit back and not feel like you need to eat tons of sugar with each meal.

4) A dessert a day sounds like a LOT. Particularly restaurant desserts, which have at LEAST 300 calories in them. When you add in a glass of milk (that's ~140 calories), a piece of fruit (an apple is about another 100 calories), AND a bag of cookies on top of it (which you said is 240 calories, near-about), you've consumed the rough equivalent of a meal, not a snack (480 calories!!!). THIS is the reason you should be tracking your calories.

5) Why am I responding again? Gaaahhhh.

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LadyStar- I'd love to start with the yogurt desserts right away, but that might not be possible. I'm sorta on a low-dairy thing right now. I can handle a little bit of cheese or maybe a pudding cup, but even that one pudding cup during the day is a little rough on my stomach. Heck, that's partially why I decided to set the goal to swap out my fried food appetizers. Too much fried food is rough on my stomach right now, so I figure I might be able to get a good week or two into the month where I can't eat cheesy, fried appetizers even if I wanted to. Then, if I've already gotten through 2 weeks of the month, it'll make the remaining 2 or so weeks a bit easier.

That might also be why I've decided to try to conquer my chip addiction. The idea of eating chips isn't at all appetizing right now.

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I'm working on coming up with a list of goals for at least the first week, if not the entire month of April. I figure these will be easy enough to sustain, but still big enough to make a difference.

My goals are:

-To take at least 10,000 steps per day.

-To limit myself to a 250 calorie or less sweet treat/dessert per day at least 5 days per week (most weeks, it will be 6 days- the extra day is just for a treat with my church friends).

-To have at least 2 servings of produce each day.

-To swap out any high calorie, high fat, and/or deep fried appetizers while eating out for a soup or salad (so no pretzels and cheese dip at Applebees. However, I'm not going to eliminate ordering a higher protein appetizer as an entree. So, I might start off with a small side salad and order an order of hot wings for my entree. That's typically the only thing of the "appetizer" menu I'll ever order as an entree).

-To try at least 1 recipe from the Sparkpeople cookbook (or another new healthy recipe).

-To fast from potato chips other than Middleswarth Barbecue chips for the month of April (Middleswarth chips can only be purchased online or in a specific area of Pennsylvania that is close enough to get to during a day trip, but far enough away that it's a pain. So, I definitely get them when I have a chance, but that's typically once every couple years at best). [I can still have tortilla chips in nachos or with salsa. I can still have popcorn. I'm just focusing on my potato chip addiction to start.]

Do you think these goals are good enough to make a difference? The no chips thing will be tough, but doable. The non-fatty appetizers will be a bit of a challenge, but it's only going to apply a few times a week at most. Even if I go to a place where I'd typically get a lighter appetizer (like summer rolls/fresh spring rolls), I'll get those to-go and have them for lunch the next day and just have Pho for dinner.
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I am going to work on eating a more balanced diet later on. I'm really only eating a couple small meals at most right now. I'm still recovering from the stomach flu, so I can't eat too much. I'm also limited to how fatty my food is and how much dairy I can eat. I'm physically unable to eat three meals a day at this point. I'm nibbling on food throughout the day to bring up my tolerance for food. I'm expecting to keep this up for a little while longer. I'm hungry, but I physically can't eat. Even a little bit of rice or a small fruit cup fills me at this point.

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One suggestion that worked for me: switch right away to the yogurt desserts! :) I found the added protein really helped keep me satisfied, and there's still a more reasonable amount of carbs--much lower than snack cakes/other desserts--for a relatively quick "pick-me-up". Give yourself three or four days in a row to decide if its working for you.
My all time Favorite Dessert: Healthy Choice Fudge Bars (avail Costco and other retailers.) 100 cal: 1.5g fat; 16g Carb, 5g Fiber and 4 g protein! Your fruit & chocolate would be close, but probably have somewhat more carb and fat. You could add a small amount of nuts for the protein....
Take care of yourself and best wishes!!

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To be honest, I didn't consume much as far as artificial sweeteners are concerned before. I replaced diet sodas (which I really didn't like anyway) with water, unsweetened tea, and, more recently, flavored seltzer (like Vintage brand). I gave up gum cold-turkey without any replacement, and I gave up light yogurts in favor of Chobani Greek yogurts. Other than that, I've never really LIKED the taste of artificial sweeteners, so I always would go for the full-sugar Jell-o or pudding over the sugar-free alternatives. It's not like I went from eating a lot of artificial sweeteners to eating a lot of sugar. I really didn't eat many at all before; now, I'm just more aware of when I'm eating them.

I've posted reminders and notecards about why I want to lose weight. I can remind myself constantly, and it never seems to help. I used to eat out every day at I was losing weight. Of course, I generally ate at the same 2 or 3 places (Panera and Cosi were our usual go-to places). I think this helped because I knew that I could have my usual Cheerios with soy milk and fruit for breakfast, a Lean Cuisine and a salad for lunch, and I would have exactly X points left for an entree out. I was able to easily tweak my food depending on what sandwich or salad I wanted at Panera or what drink I wanted at Starbucks, etc. There was less guess-work involved. Less measuring and weighing. Less variety overall.

So, we went out to eat a LOT, but we're talking less than $10 per person on MOST nights. Now, we go out a couple times a week, but we don't go to overly fancy places- and if we go to a place that is a little pricier we usually have a giftcard and/or coupons/discount codes to help offset the price. Cutting back on dessert will definitely help with the cost. Plus, I generally order food that keeps well overnight. I eat half of it or so for dinner and I pack the other half for lunch.

I'm also working on cutting back on my chip intake, but I'm not setting a specific goal for that yet. I'm just going to try to limit myself to a specific brand or two that I can't get as easily. That way, it makes it more difficult to get (one brand, I can't even get locally without mail ordering it. The other, I can get semi locally, but the store is often sold-out AND it's not available at any of the grocery stores in town (and there are at least 5 within 4 miles- not including convenience stores).

But a box of snack cakes is about 1,600 calories. Add to this half a slice of cheesecake, and half a slice of red velvet cake and you have close to 4,000 calories of sweets in a week if I have TWO boxes of snack cakes during the week. Of course, this is often more as I occasionally don't split dessert, and I often buy more than two boxes of snack cakes in a week. Still, if I cut it down to 250 calories of snacks a night 6 nights a week, that cuts my sweets intake by about 2,000 or more calories a week. Of course, a single Zebra cake has 160 calories, so if I have only one of those 6 nights a week, we're looking at closer to 2,600 calories or more cut out per week, or over 300 calories a day.

And this is only my first step. I'm going to, in the future, make sure at certain number of my desserts involve yogurt (either a homemade Chobani pop, a cup of yogurt, etc), and I'm eventually going to get to a point where on most nights, my "dessert" is simply a square of dark chocolate with some fruit.

And, once again, counseling is not an option for me. It just is NOT happening unless there is a free counseling service available through web-chat. That's the only way I'll consider it.

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Calling yourself an 'obese cow' is not going to help! If you don't love yourself you will never be able to do what it takes to lose weight. Losing weight is not easy! Don't believe the hype that it is. It takes consistency and work. And you need to believe in the reason you are doing it to keep it up. What is your reason for trying to lose weight? Whenever I am tempted to overeat, I think of the reasons I have for not.

I sense an underlying problem beneath all this. Have you got professional help before for overeating/comfort eating/sugar addiction.

I am amazed that you can afford to eat out so much, or maybe the cost of eating out is less in US. I eat at restaurants on special occasions, like birthdays (4 times/year) or when meeting up with friends I only meet occasionally. It would not be even once a month on average. I know that if I was eating out multiple times per week I would not be able to lose weight. Especially with having deserts even just twice a week.

I agree with you that small steps are good. But I fear your current calorie intake is so high that you need to think bigger steps! Look on Spark or Google ways to tame a sweet tooth. You have cut out artificial sweeteners which I think is good but replacing them with lots of sugar is not going to help. Sugar is the main cause of obesity and many other problems. You are eating far too much sugar.

I think you need to seek professional help in your area. This thread is not going to give you the answers you need.

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For me, I think eating a box of Zebra cakes in a week would be a huge accomplishment since I can usually polish off a box in a day or two. Buying one bag of chips in a week is certainly a step up from buying one a day.

Although, I'm starting to feel that I might be a hopeless case. I say that I'm going to give making smaller changes another try (keeping in mind that I may not have given it enough of a chance before), and that's not good enough. Small changes aren't good enough to see results, right? But jumping all-in is too much and can't be maintained.

Cutting back on my potato chip intake to one bag a week is too much and I'll still be an obese cow, right? But if I completely eliminate the chips, I'm likely to binge on them later because that's too big of a step.

Essentially, I'm just meant to be an obese cow.

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Oh, I should go with what works for me?

Well, being FAT and MISERABLE is the only thing I can do consistently, so I guess that's what I should do.

Certain small steps (like eating a couple pieces of fruit) have done NOTHING for me, but I thought maybe, instead of eating 2-3 or more restaurant desserts a week and anywhere from 3 to 7 boxes of snack cakes, 2-4 pints or ice cream or boxes of ice cream bars/sandwiches, or whatever miscellaneous desserts and sweet treats I allow myself, I can give myself an allowance to have ONE treat a night. (Keep in mind that if I eat 7 boxes of snack cakes in a week then I'm not eating any ice cream. It's usually ice cream OR snack cakes OR pie, etc.)

I've tried cutting them out completely, and all I do is binge on them within a week or two, so clearly that doesn't work for me, but maybe cutting my restaurant portions down and allowing myself something for dessert every night will help me.

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Sigh. Whatever works for you.

But wait, it's not!

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A black and white cookie at Starbucks (half the package) has about 120 calories.

An unsweetened iced tea has about 0.

A grande soy latte (the biggest sized coffee I ever get) has about 170 calories.

So a black and white cookie, cake pop, or even a marshmallow dream bar at Starbucks won't count towards my 1 weekly treat allowance. Heck, a PACKAGE of the cookies won't even count because- to start, at least, I'm looking at under 250 calories for my dessert and a package has about 240.

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Cookies at Starbucks SHOULD "count" - they are 400-500 calories each. Add some kind of floofy drink and you're looking at half your calories for the day gone.

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Well, I've made a decision.

I'm going to give smaller steps another try- but without making such a huge deal over keeping track of "streaks." I never did that with quitting soda. I originally was going to start following the MyPlate guidelines for most meals, but that might not be the best idea. I'm still recovering from a stomach bug, and while I'm keeping down food, I'm a little nervous about too much dairy.

However, I am going to try to work on my snacking and dessert habits. It might seem a bit counter-productive, but one of my goals is to have a small sweet snack every night. I'm wondering if, perhaps, this will help me. Instead of buying and eating an entire box of snack cakes (or making an entire cake), I'll have something planned for each night. I'm also going to set up a rule where I'm allowed up to 2 restaurant desserts a week (a cake pop or a cookie at Starbucks doesn't count). On most weeks, I'll have 1 dessert, but I want the extra one just in case (mainly so my best friend and I can have at least one restaurant dessert a week, but I want the extra one just in case another friend brings cupcakes to church or we decide to get Red Mango after youth group on Wednesday night).

Ideally, my nighttime snack will involve a sweet treat (like a couple Oreo cookies) with some fruit and a glass of milk, but I might not have the glass of milk initially. Even if I get a cake pop at Starbucks, I'll either have it with a fruit cup there, or some fruit and a glass of milk when I get home. The fruit and milk before bed will also be true for the night(s) I have a restaurant dessert.

Of course, a Chobani yogurt might be my treat of choice on some nights.

I'm also going to start wearing my Fitbit and tracking my steps again.




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I keep them on a shelf in the kitchen with all of the other non-perishable items. I don't live alone, so I can't really have an entire cabinet for snacks. In fact, I had to move my lunch containers and lunch packing accessories (meal containers, dip containers, salad bowl, cereal bowl, FunBites cutters, etc). from a shelf in one of our kitchen cabinets to a basket because my parents needed more room for their stuff.

Thing is, these crunchy bars are individually wrapped, so even the tip of buying things that are already in single-serving packages doesn't work for me either. If they are in the house, I'll eat them, so I have to just buy them one at a time- at least to start. I don't expect it to be that way forever though.

The pita triangles sounds good, but not necessarily as a SUBSTITUTION for the nachos I make. Beans cheese and salsa just go with tortilla chips. However, nachos with olives, feta, and hummus on homemade pita chips sounds really good.

Of course, right now, I'm not sure I need to worry about the chips. I came down with a stomach bug yesterday afternoon, and I'm just now able to keep down solid foods. I've been working on eating a little 4 oz. mixed tropical fruit baby food cup for a few hours now. I'm starting to feel hungry, but I can't physically eat. I'm also dying of thirst, but if I drink too much, it comes right up. I did lose about 6 pounds overnight though.

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Stuff that you're trying to ration out in small doses - like the Crunch bars - do you keep them in a particular place? Sometimes it helps to have a designated "poison cupboard", or to chuck stuff that isn't for immediate consumption into the freezer, if you have one. Or just to do anything at all that makes it harder to you to access it mindlessly - screw-top jars, paper bags stapled shut with a day of the week written on them ("Eat on MONDAY!!!"), stuff stacked where you have to stand on a chair or crawl around to get it. Obviously you can get past any of these obstacles, but they might act as a sort of timelock - you have an extra minute to question your motivation and maybe change your mind. The risk is that if your system isn't one you can operate on auto-pilot, you end up spending too much time thinking about the stuff.

Nachos substitution: baked pitta triangles. You can do them under the grill, or in the microwave, and if you're feeling extra virtuous and have it handy, you can use wholemeal pitta bread.



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It might be a lot of psychological hunger, but it doesn't change the fact that physical hunger wakes me up in the middle of the night- especially when I'm counting calories.

For me, it's very hard to stop at just one package of snack cakes, so I generally have to go all or nothing because you can't buy individual Zebra cakes at the store. I know that I can't buy Kashi GoLean Crunch bars at Costco because I will eat the entire box in a few days. I have to buy them one at a time at the grocery store. On some days, I MAY be able to buy 2 or 3 bars if I get myself excited about having one the next day or the day after that, but it's still a risk.

For me, switching the barbecue chips to nachos was not a way to cut calories and lose weight necessarily. It was, however, a way for me to take my habit of eating chips as meals and at least add some nutrients to it. Maybe I'll take that and go from there by either paying attention to my portion sizes for my nachos, or maybe I'll make tacos for lunch one day.

It is nice to STILL have chips left over. That's not something I typically experience when it comes to chips.

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I think there's some truth to what you are saying, and as long as you don't come back in a week and say, "I switched to tortilla chips loaded with toppings and I didn't lose weight, so I'm going back to barbecue chips because obviously it didn't work." If you need a transition stage to being mindful of what you eat before you start counting calories that's okay-- just be honest with yourself when you do this, because you have to know going in you won't see changes until you take the next step. This is an okay first step if it's what you need, but you have to know in your heart that it is not enough right now to change anything except to start getting you thinking about what you're eating. You won't see progress until you take another step forward after that.

I guess when I think about it this is sort of the reverse of what I did, I started off with reduced portions of several of the foods I was already eating and then slowly swapped out unhealthy things for foods that gave me more bang for my buck, so to speak-- more nutrition and satiation on same or fewer calories. That is something you might want to think about, too. If I could only eat one snack cake for lunch I'd be willing to trade it in for a more filling grilled chicken salad in a minute. You say you'd still be hungry if you did that, but you also say you think a lot of your hunger is psychological-- and I would agree with that.


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I'm currently not in school. I ran into some trouble financially, and I left to pursue full-time employment options. I'm saving up my money to return to school part-time- but even then, I'll be doing a lot of online and distance learning coursework rather than going on campus for the most part.

I know a lot of the head knowledge about eating healthy (although, that changes daily with the way different articles come popping up. I'm convinced that, one day, someone will publish an article that claims that foods high in antioxidants contribute to cancer).

Still, I was never an overweight child. I wasn't overly thin either. I was pretty average (though my arms and legs were STICKS). I only started gaining weight around the start of high school.

My parents and younger sister are both overweight/obese. In fact, I'm probably the thinnest person in my family (which is not to say that thin=healthy).

My best friend is dealing with a lot of the same struggles I am. He, too, has weight to lose but hates counting calories (but doesn't want to eliminate foods either). We've both lost and regained significant amounts of weight on multiple occasions. The drawback is that my best friend is a 21 year old guy. We started Weight Watchers meetings together when we were 17. Do you realize how DEPRESSING it is to have a 17 year old boy as a weight loss buddy? I go as far as looking at a piece of chocolate and I'll gain a pound. He'll lose 10 after eating a slice of cake. Still, since we spend a LOT of time together, it makes things a bit easier. I can easily tell him "I'm trying to eat a little healthier, so we probably should avoid CPK because that's a challenging place to stay on plan).

I think the idea I'm hoping to get out of adding/swapping out my lunches for healthier ones (though, I'm not worrying about numbers yet) is the same idea I'm hoping to get when I start making those changes to snacks, breakfasts, and dinner (though, a portion of microwave pouch of organic quinoa and brown rice, steamer veggies, and Trader Joe's turkey meatballs will likely be one of those lunches on a day I need something quick and easy) is that I can gradually transition to counting calories.

The way I see it, if I'm eating up to 4,000 calories a day in pure junk food and I start counting calories now, it's going to drive me crazy. I'm going to be cutting my intake too drastically as well as making too many extreme changes based on numbers. HOWEVER, if I start eating healthier foods and gradually cut back on my junk food then I might find that, with counting calories, I just need to be mindful of my portions (maybe cut back on the almond butter on my toast or limit myself to 3 meatballs instead of 5. It won't require as many drastic changes to get within my ranges.

And who knows? It could be that I'll get to a point where if I measure my portions, all I REALLY need to do is make sure I don't have my favorite paleo breakfast (Eggs in coconut oil with sweet potato and apples), my AB&B (almond butter and berry) sandwich lunch, and the petite sirloin from Ruby Tuesday in one day. I probably should swap out the steak for the creole catch and/or have yogurt for breakfast. (Basically learning which combination of meals and snacks will work).

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Hello, Lissa:

This message thread contains so much great advice, kind words, "tough love", and genuine care and concern for you. You've expressed frustration because you haven't been able to help yourself. Others have expressed frustration that their answers don't seem to be helping you, either.

I notice that you're 21 years old. Because I'm 59 years old, I would describe you as "very young". I'm guessing that most of the SparkPeople who answered you are older than you, and they had not noticed your age when they were answering you. In my opinion, your age and therefore your life experience is a significant factor in this discussion.

Figuring out how to have a happy and healthy life is a major endeavor, and you are just starting. Figuring out how to set goals and achieve goals takes some research, practice and experience. You are just starting. Figuring out the role of weight, appearance, nutrition and exercise in your overall plan for a happy and healthy life is difficult. Figuring out what works for you is trial and error. You are struggling with this right now.

You came here basically saying "Tell me what to do", because most young people are accustomed to being told what to do and how to do it. You haven't yet learned, but you will learn, that the better question is "Help me gather info and help me identify what all my choices are, and then I'll try things until I find what works for me".

SparkPeople are excellent sources of information and support, but you need to move us lower on your list. You need to talk to real people in your life who know you, real resources who can help and support you. Are your parents and family ready, willing and able to help you? Do you have friends or acquaintances who can help you. Does your school counseling center and fitness center have resources to help you?








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I have managed some part-time work while I'm in search of a full-time job, and it is likely that I will be hired for a full time job at the end of this week (assuming this trial period this week goes well), so I'm not too worried. Besides, I go out to eat a couple times a week at most nowadays. It just so happens that my friend is off work tomorrow and I don't have work until the afternoon, so we might go out and stay out late because we can (and if we decide to reenact our younger days it will either mean staying out at Starbucks until 11pm or even an impromptu trip into NYC).

Besides, being unemployed doesn't mean I have all the time in the world to churn my own butter and hand grind my own wheat. I'm actually working more than I was when I had a full-time job because I'm taking on any part-time job I can get PLUS I'm working from the morning until late at night applying for jobs, going to interviews, answering phone calls about jobs. There have been several days this month where I literally did not have the time to stop and throw a piece of ham onto a whole wheat sandwich thin for lunch.

The almond butter ingredients are "Almonds." That's it.

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3/25/13 3:33 P

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Honestly, I don't listen too much to the "only whole, natural foods" crowd right now. I live almost entirely off of "convenience" foods because all I have is a mini fridge and a microwave. And I've lost 20 lbs so far. When circumstances change, my diet will too. I really can't wait to be able to cook again. That's where the small changes mantra comes in for me. I will cut calories where I can, when I can and slowly work my way toward a more "perfect" diet instead of trying to go all in right away and getting frustrated when it isn't just right.

If the meals you've chosen will fill you up AND keep you within your calorie goal for the day, I say go for it!



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To me, the definition of self-sabotage is not all that clear-cut. If I make a firm decision to eat a 1200 calorie per day diet from tomorrow on, and then regularly eat 1500 calories, then I would be sabotaging myself. But somebody trying to reset his or her relationship with food, eating, calorie-counting tracking etc. by gradually transitioning to healthier foods while not worrying too much about the numbers of a while - that's not necessarily self-sabotage, even if the numbers get worse before they get better. It could just be a very, very gradual transition. Some people transition from diets to maintenance, but equally it should be possible to start with maintenance, gradually transition into diet mode, and then gradually transition back into maintenance. It might take a few years to obtain big, visible results, but if they are lasting results, that's OK.

I think there ARE valid approaches to losing weight that don't involve much tracking or counting or weighing or measuring and that don't rely on people restricting themselves to foods on specific lists or plans. But I would advise anybody who wants to try losing weight using a very flexible approach (based, say, on learning to make mindful choices about food, rather than just eating-to-plan) to build a lot of activity into their schedule, both formal exercise and NEAT, non-exercise activity thermogenesis. Including an entire day trip involving cycling or hiking or something similar once a week.

I went out for a Sunday afternoon bike ride with a friend yesterday. This friend lives 35 miles away, and we did a loop from her house. So I got to cycle the 35 miles there, go out for a cycle around her local roads, and then cycle 35 miles home again. It was fairly windy, and there were a few hills on the route, and my bike is a heavy beast. Days like that go a long way towards ensuring the sums work out for me even when I don't do them, and I try to fit one in when I can.

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1) There is a HUGE difference between added sugars and natural sugars. Added sugars are processed, stripped of all nutrients, and have no value. Sugars in fruits and vegetables and milk are incidental, and are not processed.

2) You've spoken at length about being unemployed. I'm unemployed as well, and I find that it enables me to cut most of my convenience foods and cook from scratch and take more liberties with how I prepare my food. That additional time helps a lot, even when I'm busy job searching.

3) If you're not preparing the almond butter yourself, chances are there are preservatives in it. Same with cream cheese, the bagel crisps, the jellies, the graham crackers, the applesauce, etc etc. I'm not saying you should never have preservatives, and I'm not saying you won't lose weight while eating them, but you should be cognizant of them.


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What? Am I supposed to live on organic fruit and vegetables? Because research says that meat and dairy makes you fat. Oh so does soy, so that means no tofu. I've also heard that beans aren't that good for you. Oh and I need to cut out all bread, pasta, potatoes, and corn.

Oh, but wait, fruit has a lot of natural sugars, so I better limit myself to a few berries a day at most.

I suppose if I eat nothing but spinach, kale, bell peppers, mushrooms, and tomatoes I will lose weight. Those aren't laden with preservatives and sugars.

Then again, neither is almond butter and fresh berries. The bagel thin, yes, but I'm not in the position to completely write off all convenience foods. Maybe in the near future, I'll make some of my own bread, but that doesn't mean I'll never buy a loaf at the store.

I guess I could throw out the little thing of yogurt because it does have sugar in it. And I'll toss the graham crackers and applesauce. The applesauce is unsweetened, but that is a lot of natural sugar from the apples.

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And when the "redeeming" food don't work (because they're still laden with preservatives and sugars), you're going to be back at square one with even more excuses! I'm not trying to be mean, but it seems like you're self-sabotaging in order to say that you've tried it and it hasn't worked....

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Thing is, I'm pretty certain that my hunger when I'm counting calories is somewhat psychological. My body starts panicking and worrying about "running out" of calories. Unfortunately, the hunger I get is also the kind of hunger that wakes me up at 3 in the morning, so it may also be due to the deficit I'm creating.

I decided to pack my lunch for tomorrow as SOON as I got home. I went to the store and bought whole wheat bagel thins and fresh berries, so I'm having a berry and natural almond butter sandwich with a cup of milk, some extra berries, and carrot sticks. I also threw in an applesauce and graham crackers for a snack as well as a Chobani Bites. My portions are probably too big, but I also know that it's a WHOLE lot better than the lunch of chips and snack cakes (and possible microwave pizza, etc) I would normally have.

And maybe on Wednesday, I'll have a boca burger, or cream cheese and jelly (all-fruit preserves, really) for lunch. Maybe I'll pack some sauce and cheese to make my own bagel pizza "lunchables." I'm not necessarily going to completely overhaul my entire diet right now, but I am going to experiment with lunch options with SOME redeeming nutritional qualities.

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What I like about SparkPeople is that it's not a diet. If you exercise more you can eat more and if you eat whole foods you tend to be less hungry. Check out their info on whole foods - it's so interesting and also, take it slow with your weight loss gaol then you can eat more and it'll tend to stay off emoticon



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When I count calories, I tend to be at my hungriest. I will eat my allowance in healthy foods, and I will STILL be hungry. At the same time, I enjoy the flexibility calorie counting gives in that I can eat anything within reason. A slice of cheesecake is off limits until you get to goal on South Beach.

It would be nice to be able to NOT count calories, but not have to eat from a restricted list that eliminates food groups as well.

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@KHK218 :
"it took that for me to wake up and realize what I was doing in my own head. Hopefully I will now stop doing it."

I am so glad that you benefited from this thread. I hope there are others out there as well who just have not spoken up. Change is hard. If it was easy, everyone would be successful the first time out. Now you are armed with common excuses/rationalizations and strategies for overcoming them.

For many who responded here to the OP, it has been an exercise in frustration. I'm so glad that something good has come of it all. It may make time getting out of the excuse trap, but if you are honest with yourself each time you have a chance to make a better choice, you will be able to do it. I wish you well on your journey.

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Hi all! I just wanted to say that this thread was incredibly helpful to me. Thanks! :)

Lissa, I agree with everyone else that you are making excuses and not being accountable for your *choices*. However, I have to admit that I do the same thing, just usually not in conversations. But in my head, I do the same thing, and it is why I am not getting anywhere this past year on SP. Life is hard and it is always easy to find an excuse to eat what you want and to not exercise. I also don't like counting calories. It is stressful to me too. And so I haven't and I also haven't really made any progress. So now I think I will take all the advice from the people that have responded here and stop making excuses and just do it.

We both have the option *not* to do it--our weights and diets don't affect anyone but us. That's the thing. You can get annoyed at posters here for not solving your problems (which are really common problems, so the posters here do know what they are talking about)--but you're still the one that has to deal with the results of that at the end of the day, not them.

Anyway, good luck to you, and thank you for responding so honestly here because it took that for me to wake up and realize what I was doing in my own head. Hopefully I will now stop doing it.

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I tried to help; apparently I have not. May you be well.



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The chips alone are fewer calories in comparison. I said I may not have saved calories with the addition of the toppings.

I never said I was trying to eliminate additives. I said I was trying to LIMIT them. I get McDonald's a few times a YEAR. I am not going to be perfect, but there are some swaps I am going to make. I am still going to eat store bought bread and sandwich thins, but I'm also going to try to eat more homemade bread as well.

But I don't give a crap how many calories I can save. I'm not switching to 0 calorie sweeteners.

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You said: "I decided to buy some Veggie and Flaxseed tortilla chips instead of barbecue potato chips. I may not be saving any calories."

And then, when I commented on that, you said: "Thing is I'm not eating the same calories in tortilla chips. The bag of chips is smaller, therefore, fewer calories. PLUS, it's taken me a few days and there are still chips left. [...] How is eating foods with more chemicals supposed to be better for me? "

In the earlier post, you implied that the calories were the same for the tortilla chips as for the potato chips (which is usually the case). If you're not going to be truthful, then obviously no one can help you. To answer your question "How is eating foods with more chemicals supposed to be better for me?" --- it isn't. I already told you to stop eating potato chips because they are NOT good for you. Just don't eat them period. So what if you eat them several times/week now. Just stop.

If you're going to a restaurant with a friend, of course your table will get a bill, and you can leave a tip (although why on earth you would feel obliged to leave a tip when you're drinking water is beyond me, since presumably your friend will leave an appropriate tip for her meal). And if you're going by yourself (the only way you would end up without a bill), then obviously you just plain don't go at all.

235 calories for 4 chicken nuggets w/ honey isn't a lot of calories. What it IS is FULL of chemicals and additives that YOU claim you want to avoid, AND it's very small in terms of volume which means it is not satiating, and is only going to make you hungry later so of course you'll end up eating more of something else.

You need to make a decision -- do you want to give up chemicals and additives or not? You don't just get to give up chemicals that reduce the calories in food (giving up artificial sweeteners and egg beaters, and replacing them with sugar and whole eggs!), while continuing to eat chemicals in potato chips, tortilla chips, fast food, and all the other stuff you talk about eating in this thread. You either eat whole food or you don't. But saying "I eat whole eggs and sugar, because I don't want to eat chemicals; I eat chicken nuggets from McDonalds and potato chips" is ....... I don't even have a word for it. It's bizarre, to say the least.

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I don't go to Smashburger once a week or even once a month. I love their Black Bean burgers, but the salad is mediocre at best. That's why I order the burger, and honestly, on most nights, I eat half of a burger.

Besides, I'm the kind of person who always saves room for dessert, so if I know I have dessert waiting for me at home, I'm likely to make sure I save room for it.

I do know a lot of my healthier options at restaurants. I have at least one "diet friendly" option at most places I frequent (except California Pizza Kitchen. That one is tough!) And maybe a change I will make is packing my summer roll appetizer to go when I get Pho. Instead of eating the summer rolls and soup in one meal, I can have the summer rolls for lunch the next day.

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It wasn't very long ago that I probably sounded a lot like you do right now. I could have been on here explaining over and over how my job basically forced me to eat fast food every single day. Often twice a day and sometimes every meal. If I had asked how to lose weight while still eating out all the time, I would have been told that I can't. And in the mindset I had then, I would have thought all the well meaning people telling me so were stupid jerks who must not be able to read because I thought I made it clear that not eating out is not an option for me.

One day, it finally clicked for me that I DESERVE to be healthy and happy. And the only way to get there is to make healthy choices. I had to accept that it would not be easy, but that I am worth it. I had to identify obstacles and figure out how to go thru them. For me, it was packing my meals. I rationalize it by saying that I am there with several other people, all of whom are paying for meals, so the restaurant isn't losing any money by having me sit there. But that obviously isn't right for everyone. I understand that. What you need to do is figure out what IS right for you and then make a change.

You can still go out to eat. But get familiar with the menus of the places you eat most often so you can make healthier choices. I peeked at Smashburger's menu since it is one you mention a lot. They don't have many salads, but the ones they have look pretty tasty. So why are you still ordering burgers? Try the Harvest Salad. Then you wouldn't have to worry about bringing in better sides.

You know your situation better than anyone else. You know what you can and can't do. So when you are really ready to get down to the nitty gritty and lose weight, you will know which of your excuses are true and which are BS you keep repeating because you would rather never start than try and fail. Then maybe you will listen to the advice you are given instead of writing it off as coming from people who just can't possibly understand your situation.



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A couple days ago, I decided to get mini rice cake snacks instead of buying chips and snack cakes (hoping I could get the sweet and crunchy from the rice cakes and the soft and salty from a string cheese). I ate a rice cake and noticed something odd about it, but shrugged it off. I ate two more, started feeling sick, and checked the ingredients. I had never noticed the sucralose on the ingredient list before.

I don't eat artificial sweeteners because they make me SICK. Even Stevia bothers me. I can't chew gum because it's that bad. I didn't make that change to lose weight. I made that change because I honestly cannot eat artificial sweeteners. Of course, that did also spark me to change other things in my diet in order to start eating more real foods (ie whole eggs instead of egg beaters).

I should make myself a little clearer here. When I brought my dinner to Burger King, I had a little steamed brown rice, steamed chicken, and steamed vegetables. (Leftover Chinese Takeout- no sauce). I bought an unsweetened iced tea to drink. My dessert was a plain ice cream cone for about 160 calories. It's not like I got a sundae pie. I simply got an ice cream cone. I was within my calories- even with the popcorn and fruit I packed for a snack to keep me from munching on junk food when the kids went to sleep (I figured instead of trying to avoid snacking completely, I'd just bring my own snack box so I'd have a safer alternative than the chips and cookies).

When I bring a side of veggies to a burger place, it's often a place like Smashbuger. With the exception of the salads, the veggies there are served in one form: fried (and they don't have side salads on the menu). I normally eat a burger with fries and possibly fried pickles as well. If I don't have a side with my burger, it feels like something is missing. I bring the raw veggie sticks to have in place of the fries. I'll still order a burger (usually a black bean burger), but I'll pair it with the veggies instead of fries.

I've considered just ordering water. However, I still feel like I need to tip for that, and I just don't carry cash with me. I don't like having it in my wallet, so I don't use it. If I order water, I won't get a bill, and therefore, I won't be able to leave a tip. Then, I'll feel guilty. Besides, I generally go out either during my usual dinner time or possibly slightly later on church nights (because I am working right up until I leave to go to church and therefore have no possible way to eat dinner before I go). I am just not going to stop eating out. I've cut back a lot, but if I cut back too much more, I might as well spend most nights at home doing nothing.

I'm also not going to stop going to fast food places completely. It's NOT happening. I'll cut down on how much I go. But maybe you are right. If I order chicken nuggets from McDonalds. That's 190 calories for a 4 piece and another 45 calories for honey to dip the nuggets in. 235 calories is a REALLY high calorie meal. I better not add some carrot sticks and blueberries to the meal because those will add more calories. Oh, and I better order a diet coke instead of getting some milk. Milk has calories. Diet coke does not.

Thing is I'm not eating the same calories in tortilla chips. The bag of chips is smaller, therefore, fewer calories. PLUS, it's taken me a few days and there are still chips left. With the barbecue chips, I would have been done with 3 bags in the same time frame. So, it's slightly fewer calories and it's being distributed over the course of a few days. Besides, I thought this was about being healthy. How is eating foods with more chemicals supposed to be better for me?

And I would love to be able to cut down to only having chips once a month. HOWEVER, seeing as I can go through 4-7 bags in a week, cutting down to once a month feels a little overwhelming. Once a week seems more manageable, and I figured I can work my way down from there.

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These are a snack I use to control swings in blood sugar.
I highly recommend the chocolate one.
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NAUSIKKA is right.

Think of it this way - natural food does not mean healthy food for everyone.
I'm insulin resistant (pre-diabetic).
A potato is a natural food, but I can't touch them! Or I will gain weight.

Sugar is the same. While I understand people don't want to ingest chemicals, but for me, too much sugar will eventually kill me with diabetes - probably faster than aspartame would.

Maybe a visit to the doctor and have some tests done and see if they can help design an appropriate diet. The fact you are still hungry sounds like it could be thyroid - the shakes, etc you describe sounds like low blood sugar. You MIGHT be on the verge of diabetes - if not there already. I urge you to go in.

Hang in there!
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NAUSIKKA your success is amazing. Not trying to derail the topic, but you really are a motivator.

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The changes you're making aren't sufficient. Going to Burger King and ordering dessert is not a weight-loss promoting choice. I'm not saying you can't ever do that but... it's not weight-loss promoting. Same with chips, whatever kind. (Kale chips being the shining exception.) Adding raw veggies to supplement a fast food meal does only one thing to your calorie deficit: it just adds MORE calories to your already high calorie meal. Vegetables have calories too. ADDING them doesn't help. You're already eating a high-satiation meal so why would you just add yet more calories? Until you're ready to cut out Fuddruckers, Smashburger, Burger King, and whatever else, you are fighting a steep uphill battle here. These places are not weight-loss promoting. And your "carrot sticks on the side" are just extra calories you have to work off somehow later.

I feel uncomfortable bringing food to a restaurant also. Last night, my husband and I went to a restaurant for his company dinner -- there were about 11 people there and they ordered a ton of plates to share for the whole table (that's how it works in the country where we live usually). I gave my plate and fork to the waiter and drank plain water all night. NO ONE cared. Not the waiter (10 people were eating, less work for him), not the other diners (I just explained that I had already eaten), and not me (I got to stay on my plan). Was it a sacrifice? Sure -- I'm sure the food was delicious. Was it worth it? Of course it was. That's what it takes to lose weight, which is my goal. Therefore, I did it. Difficult? Depends on how you look at it. I sure didn't regret it this morning when I stepped on the scale and had a new lowest weight.

It sounds like you do this too. The thing is, you don't do it every time. Do it every time. Or at least, almost every time. See how that works for your weight loss. TRY IT. Experiment. You might like the results you get. You can go out 2-3 times/week, even 7-10 times/week, if you just drink plain water ;)

Your tortilla chip logic is flawed, I'm afraid. It's not better to eat the same calories in tortilla chips PLUS the calories in the cheese and other toppings! You need a calorie deficit. If you can be satisfied by plain potato chips for the same calories, that's better than adding cheese to the mix. Just stop eating chips altogether, though. They are not good for you and they are not weight-loss promoting. You have to want this though. It sounds like you want the best of both worlds (to eat potato chips AND lose weight). That's pretty hard to pull off. Even if everything else is perfect. I would say once/month on the potato chips would be okay, not more often.

You haven't accepted the role that calories play in weight loss. This is clear in your posts. You say things like "I stopped eating stevia and eat sugar instead but I'm not losing weight!" Well yeah. Stevia has no calories. Sugar has a ton of useless calories that spike your insulin and promote fat storage. You seem to believe that you need to add MORE food. You don't .. You need to eat LESS than you eat now. The fact that your homemade bread will have fewer chemicals does NOT make it weight-loss promoting. Go ahead and make homemade bread, but use the nutrition tracker to get an exact calorie count and reduce the size of the portion you eat to get fewer calories from it. Otherwise stick with the sandwich thins. You have got to separate your desire to reduce additives from your desire to reduce calories. You can do both , but you can't just reduce additives and expect to lose any weight.



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You can do it...You seem like you are really thinking things through and trying to figure it all out...Hang in there...



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I understand that it may be an approach that is right for some people, but it makes me feel very uncomfortable, and for me, it depends on where I'm going. I've had a babysitting job where I've gone to Burger King with my own meal. In that case, I did buy an iced tea and I bought myself dessert when I got dessert for the kids. I also bought dinner for the kids there. However, on most days I'd order a veggie burger with barbecue sauce to pair with my own raw veggies and ranch dip. I've even done that at Fuddruckers or Smashburger, but adding my own raw veggie side to supplement a meal is about as far as I would go- and I'd even keep that to a bare minimum at a place other than a fast food joint. (The exception would be a little container of salad dressing for a salad I purchase).

I certainly do not feel comfortable bringing my entire dinner to a restaurant, and on most nights, if I go to a burger place, I'll probably just eat some carrot sticks in the car rather than bring them inside.

I did realize that I became a lot more concerned about having treats on a regular basis. I used to have a 100 calorie pack or a cookie almost daily, but that was my only treat. Then, I got worried about wasting my calories or WW points on junk food, so I cut that out of my diet. Then, I started going on this all or nothing thing (a box of snack cakes or none at all). I'm starting to think that maybe having a sweet treat every night was a good thing for me. We're talking graham crackers with applesauce or a couple fudge cookies (or a cake pop if I'm out and we go to Starbucks).

I'll keep desserts out to no more than twice a week. On most nights, this will probably be splitting dessert with my best friend, but occasionally it will be a higher calorie dessert (like a pumpkin loaf slice at Starbucks rather than a cake pop), or one of my friend's homemade cupcakes when she brings them to a church event. Frozen yogurt will also be included in this- especially now that the weather should hopefully get warmer soon.

I'm also considering ideas for cutting back on potato chips. I've already started to realize that I really only enjoy two specific chips (Utz Sweet and Salty Kettle Classics Barbecue and Middleswarth Barbecue- which is only available in part of Pennsylvania), so I am going to stick to those chips. I'm also going to set rules on myself for them (specifically the Utz chips because I will get the Middleswarth chips whenever I get the chance because that doesn't even happen every other year). I'll probably start off with a rule that I'm only allowed one bag during a week. I can eat the whole thing in one day, but if I do, I'm done. Then, I'll gradually work on decreasing it to only having a couple bags a month to eventually only having the chips once every couple months or so. I'm not sure if that will end up working for me; I'm just toying with some ideas.

I will say that the other day, I decided to buy some Veggie and Flaxseed tortilla chips instead of barbecue potato chips. I may not be saving any calories, but the BBQ chips I had plain. The tortilla chips (which are already are better nutritionally) have been topped with black beans, cheese, and salsa. So, I am getting some fiber, protein, and a little calcium compared to the nutritionally void chips I usually get. I'm also looking at some popcorn seasoning recipes (which I may also try on some microwave potato chips).

I'm also going to try making some homemade whole wheat bread with our bread machine in the near future. It might not be lower in calories than a sandwich thin, but it will have fewer chemicals in it (which I think is a good trade-off). I think for lunch on Monday (my first day of my trial for a potential new Nanny job), I'm going to have a almond butter and fresh berry sandwich on store bought 100% whole wheat bread (I'll pair it with some veggies and other sides, but I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to have with it yet). I think maybe starting to pack healthy lunches for work again (rather than going to the store to buy some frozen pizza or something) will be a good step. Having a list of safe sweet treats I can have every night and limiting the bigger treats to only once or twice a week will also be a good step.Maybe this will help break me from my all or nothing attitude when it comes to sweets.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding, then. When you talked about how "rude" it is to take a packed lunch into a restaurant, I thought you were referring to my post.



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I apologize for "dismissing" your post as you claimed I did. It was not there when I went to post my last post on the thread.

Life did get in the way. I was unable to attend meetings and that was part of why I ended up getting off track. My schedule allowed for me to return to meetings a year later, but for some reason after getting off track over the holidays I haven't been able to stick to anything long term.

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If you were so successful, you wouldn't have had to do it twice. You just stuck with Weight Watchers a bit longer than anything else. And then life got hard so you quit. Why you do that is something that only you can answer. But it seems like for every piece of advice you've gotten in this thread, you've come up with a reason it can't possibly work for you. And to me, most of your reasons come off as "WHAAA! That's too hard!" Until you realize that you are absolutely worth the effort (and it will take a lot of effort), you probably won't stick to any diet.

Another thought I've been having about this thread (and what I really came here to post before I read your flippant dismissal of my first post): If you really are as absolutely starving all the time as you claim, maybe you could talk to your doctor about Prader-Willi Syndrome. It's pretty rare, but it causes insatiable appetite and lowers the ability to feel full.

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I go out to eat 2 to 3 times a week on average. I don't eat out on a daily basis. I generally eat out up to once a week with my friends at church (though I don't eat out with them EVERY week), and my best friend and I go out once or twice.

I've been known to bring a plastic bag of raw veggies when my youth group and I went out to Fuddruckers, but I do not believe in making a habit of bringing my own meals to restaurants. I actually think it's very rude- and the only excuse is an actual allergy. Bringing your own pasta to an Italian restaurant because you prefer whole wheat is rude. Bringing your own pasta because you have an allergy to gluten is completely different. I'm not going to bring a meal into a restaurant and eat it there. Now, if we go to a fast food chain like McDonalds, I might bring in some fresh fruit to SUPPLEMENT what I purchase, but I'm not going to sit in there and not pay for food there.

If a meal does not hold me over very long, what makes you think a snack will? I've had early dinners and a snack before bed and that didn't work for me. I ended up waking up because I was STARVING. I find I can somewhat deal with late night hunger if I have dinner between 7:30 and 9pm on average. If I wait until 11, then not only am I getting too hungry (because the snack I had at 6 won't last until then), but I'm also tired and not in the mood to prepare a healthy meal. I just want something as quick and easy as possible.

And if sticking with a diet will be easier, then why was I able to do it so successfully TWICE? I let a lot of emotional issues and school get in the way the first time I did WW (after losing about 20 pounds in 6 months). I lost about 30 pounds in 5 months a year later (including the 20 I regained when I started at the new school). I got off track during the holidays, and since then, I've never been able to stick to any kind of diet for more than a month. A week or so is my average. The more I try, the shorter my attempts last.

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CAMAEL100:
A single small change probably won't do much. But starting small and seeing small results can inspire the next small change, then the next one and so on until you've reached the healthy lifestyle needed to make a big difference.



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You don't have to eat off the menu when you go out. I travel a lot with my job. My co-workers and I eat in a different restaurant in a different town every day. I never know where we'll be eating until we get there. So, you know, not exactly something I can plan for. What I do is pack my meals. When everyone else is eating their fast food meals, I am eating something low-cal and tasty from my cooler. And nobody cares! Some days, I'm not even the only one.

Also, it doesn't matter what time you eat. You say eating before church would be too early and eating after would be too late. But really, there's no such thing. My schedule varies like crazy and I have to eat whenever I can. Yesterday, I ate breakfast at 4am, lunch at 10am (mine came from a thermos, while my co-workers ate at Braum's), a snack at 3 and didn't get home for dinner until about 8:30. Today, breakfast was at 6 and I was home by noon to eat lunch. I'm expecting to have a very busy afternoon and evening, so dinner could be anywhere from 5 to midnight. If it does look like dinner is going to be excessively late, I will squeeze a snack into the afternoon to hold me over. If dinner is very early, I may have a late night snack before bed. The time doesn't matter as long as I end up at a calorie deficit.

The fact of the matter is that as long as you are looking for excuses, they will be easy to find. When you stop accepting excuses and do what needs done, sticking to a diet will get easier. Not right away, mind you. There are still plenty of days I have to tell myself, "Quit whining and finish your workout." Or, "I don't care how good that burger sounds, you're having the grilled chicken." (Yes, I still eat out, but I track every calorie and make it fit into my "budget".) But when you start seeing the results, it will be SO worth it.



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BTW Lissa, have you had your thyroid function checked?

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NAUSIKAA - that was actually a great post and I agree with you about the small changes. I actually don't believe that 'small changes' help you lose weight. Maybe if one only had a few pounds to lose. Or maybe others have a different definition of small to me. I agree with you, the only thing that works is calorie deficit. That is more calories out than in!

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I've read the entire thread but this is my first post in it.

I don't know if I can help at all, but I figured I'd give it a shot. I too am a person who was not able to get any results from small changes -- although unlike what you've written here, I actually got obese by eating healthy foods (too much whole wheat pasta, too much fruit, etc). I never ate junk food. So there were a lot of "small changes" that were irrelevant to me anyway. Big changes were absolutely overwhelming for me for many, many years. I was overweight starting around age 5 and obese by the time I was 18 or so. It wasn't until I was 26 that I was able to make big changes and *stick* to them. And I had to make very, very big changes to get anywhere. I cut my calories from 3500/day to 800/day and increased my exercise from zero to 4-5 hours/day. I lost 45 lbs in 90 days. It wasn't the SP method and it wasn't the healthiest option BUT what it DID do was it gave me positive results that encouraged me to keep going. I'm not actually recommending this -- I ended up with severe gall bladder disease that almost killed me as a result of doing it -- but my point is that small changes are silly for me (in my experience -- I know that they work wonderfully for MANY people because those people are here on SP and say so all the time!) and big changes are overwhelming and 21 yrs old may not be old enough to handle them for some people (I wasn't). What does age have to do with it? Just that when I was 21, I had a very interesting life. When I was 26, I had a very boring life and I was able to dedicate 6 uninterrupted hours/day to this stuff.

All the little "tips" are sweet but they do not add up to -50 lbs. What adds up to -50 or -100 lbs is usually a complete and utter overhaul of one's entire life, and that is usually pretty hard to achieve when you are 21. At least for me. Cause I tried. When I was 21. And failed.

I did manage to lose 100 lbs by eating a PERFECT diet (I only did 800 calories for the first 3 months, then went up to 1200-1500 -- you'd be amazed how full you get on 1200 calories after 90 days on 800...) with TONS of exercise and OBSESSIVE tracking/measuring. Could I have done it by making small changes? Nope. Do I care? Nope. Results are results. Do I care that I was hungry in 2006? Um.... no. Do I care that I was tired in 2006 after a workout? Um... how about no.

It doesn't really MATTER how much it sucks at the time. Just do it. There's no other answer.

Earlier in the thread you were saying small changes don't work (agreed) and big changes don't stick (I see that) so I was going to suggest you try medium changes (no one EVER talks about medium changes, totally bizarre that they don't, but they don't). But the thing is, medium changes didn't work for me either -- what I really had to do was:

1) grow up to a point where my weight actually impacted my weight (doesn't happen as much when we're young)
2) get to a point in my life where fixing my weight was MORE important than temporary hunger / exhaustion / going out with my friends / going to church.
3) make a massive overhaul of my entire life so that I was able to reduce my weight dramatically enough that I was willing to endure the changes needed (when you lose 45 lbs in 90 days it's not that hard to keep going because you have such real results as a reward)

Speaking as a person who got to 245 lbs by eating too many vegetables --- your diet is NOT going to save you. Your calorie restriction is the only thing that will save you. Until you're ready to restrict the bejeezus out of your calories, buy some flattering clothes at the size you are now and enjoy your life. For me it took actual health problems. It may take that for you as well.



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So, my stomach growling, feeling so hungry I'm NAUSEOUS and SHAKING, and being able to eat a full meal an hour after eating isn't hunger? I know what emotional hunger is, and this is real physical hunger. I drink a 24 oz glass of water. STILL HUNGRY. It's the same feeling of hunger I'd get after going 5 hours without eating. I'll get filled up fast eating the healthy foods, but it doesn't last and I'm hungry again within an hour or two.

I am not eating less and STILL gaining. I am eating less and gaining. I was NOT gaining before.

And does 4 or 5 years really make THAT much of a difference. Because I am a lot more active than I was when I was 17.

Change will come when I change my habits? You are right. I did change my habits. I started eating more real foods (whole eggs instead of egg substitutes, sugar instead of Splenda, etc). I started increasing the amount of whole grains I ate. I cut out sugary drinks and liquid calories. I started exercising more, and things did change. Instead of maintaining my weight, I started GAINING weight.

I'm sure even though people on here preach about getting 10 minutes of exercise, if I said I was doing 15 minutes I would be criticized about not doing enough.

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You are hungry after eating healthy food - this is not real hunger. If you have eaten, you are not hungry in the real sense. You just have to get used to getting over that feeling and saying no to yourself more often. The more you say no to yourself the more you will get used to it and it will become second nature to you. It is not realistic to expect that you will not experience some discomfort when you reduce calories.

You say junk food fills you. It may physically fill you but it provides no nourishment. Thus the reason Western world is over fed and undernourished. And the overfed are now outnumbering the underfed in the world! The junk food also causes brain fog, lethargy and addiction.

You say that you want to know why you are eating less than before and still gaining. The answer is simple. If you eat over 2,000 calories per day you will gain weight, pure and simple. It has nothing to do with 'what you got away with in the past'!

As you get older, bad eating habits catch up more. Children and teenagers cn get away with eating more as they are a) growing and b) more naturally active. I do believe that at 21 you are getting past the age where you 'get away with' eating more. Thus the weight gain. That is why children should be taught to eat healthily regardless of their weight. As I believe that while they may be thin now, it they carry on bad habits to the future they most definitely will have weight issues at some point in time.

Part of me thinks you are enjoying the attention and have no notion of listening to anything suggested. It is a game to you thinking up ways of rebutting any help offered! I think you need to grow up and take personal responsibility. No one one here can help you unless you are willing to help yourself no matter how well meaning they may be and the replies you have got so far sound very well meaning.

'Excuses are the lies we tell ourselves'. But as long as we buy into those excuses, we can never move past them. We buy into the excuses in order to avoid unpleasant truths and to avoid addressing the underlying problems.

I really hope you take on board the advice given to you here and the great resource Spark is and avoid spending your life struggling with weight gain and ultimately health issues. There is far more information out there today and help if we are willing to accept it.

Don't expect anything to change if you keep doing what you have been doing! Change only comes when you change your habits.

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Oh, I'm hungry when I eat a calorie controlled diet of fruits, veggies, healthy carbs, and lean protein. NOT the empty calories.

And I never said people who are at a healthy weight don't count calories. I gave a generalized statement (meaning there are EXCEPTIONS) about people who are NATURALLY at a healthy weight. I'm talking about people who have never struggled to lose more than a few vanity pounds if any weight at all. The people who have never gone to a WW meeting or felt the need to check out Sparkpeople or MyFitnessPal or anything of the sort.

And what part of my "diet" food was lacking in protein, complex carbs, fruit, and veggies. I know my first round on WW was not the healthiest, but I also gave an example of a day on one of my most recent days on WW which had lean protein, complex carbs, and plenty of fruit and vegetables.

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I have a paralyzing fear of therapy. I get intense panic attacks just THINKING about going. I've had several horrible experience with counselors, etc in the past- each one worse than the previous, and I just REFUSE to go through that again.

Church is at 7pm. That means, assuming I am not working that day, I'll have to eat dinner around 5:30-6pm. That's earlier than I've EVER eaten dinner, and if I do have work, it's nearly impossible to eat dinner then. So, that means we'll go on a walk (and that's if everyone agrees to that-which isn't likely), I won't have dinner until around 10 or 11 at night.

The same situation goes with me going out with my best friend. With work schedules, we usually leave to go out around 6:30-7:30pm. That's DINNER TIME (and due to personal family conflicts at both houses, eating at either of our houses is really not an option). We usually do go to a mall and walk around there before and/or after dinner, but I'm not sure how to eliminate eating out in this case. It's just not realistic for me at this tie

And I do plenty of reading and I take a lot of baths, but that doesn't help when I'm actually hungry less than an hour after eating a healthy meal (when I know that I would be less hungry eating junk food). My concern isn't about emotional eating. It's about actual physical hunger.

(In fact, when I'm faced with a situation where I am extremely upset, I often am UNABLE to eat. I lost my job earlier this month and I had to force myself to eat for two or three days, and it took about a week for my appetite to fully return).

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Also, regarding your last post: someone properly pointed out that you need to consider seeing a therapist regarding your inability to stick to a diet and you promptly shot her/him down. I was going to make the same suggestion until I saw your unwillingness to even consider that option. I'm going to try to make one last suggestion: how about you replace eating times with other activities times that don't revolve around food? Go on a walk after church rather than eating. If you're hungry but not really hungry (mentally rather than physically hungry), take a bath. Read a book. Call your mom. Replace your unhealthy eating habits with other habits, and see if that works.

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Agree with others. Lots of defensiveness, excuses, and snark. I'm at a healthy weight, but I still count calories. I understand it can be a shaming experience, because no one truly wants to know how much they're consuming, but it's necessary to ensure what you're doing is working. You can't eat out several times a week, consume tons of soda/chips/fast food, and expect to lose weight. You're going to have to sacrifice, and while it's not fun, it's necessary for your health and if you want to see changes. You don't *have* to eat out after church. You don't *have* to eat chips. I know I'm hungry when all I eat is empty calories. You need to start eating protein, fruits, veggies, and complex carbs. You're hungry because you're filling your body up with useless, empty calories that do nothing to fuel you and make you feel hungry less than an hour later. Even your "diet" food was lacking in adequate protein, complex carbs, and fruit and veggies. Replace the processed food with fresh, and stop making excuses and hating on other posters for pointing out the obvious.

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This thread was not about not seeing results. It was about not being able to stick to anything long-term- about not being able to break my chip-eating habit. (I have not had a sip of soda since September 2008.) The thread is about how people say to try "small steps" but even after combining several small steps, I'm gaining weight when before my weight was consistent. I didn't expect to lose 100 pounds with small steps, but I didn't expect to start gaining weight after cutting my caloric intake when I was NOT gaining weight before.

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@ the OP. Don't want to risk misspelling your name. You are full of excuses and justifications. Plain and simple. If you eat chips and sodas and consume 4000 calories, what did you think would happen?

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You'll be ready when you stop getting defensive about what you can't do, and start really sifting through the information you have for the bits and pieces that you can make work. When it means so much that you don't stop after two weeks because at that point you are still so full of determination and need to get it right that quitting doesn't even occur to you. Edit: And when it doesn't take an externally imposed overly-strict plan to give you something to cling to, but rather you can rely on yourself and what you really want for yourself. That's when.

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Turquoise, thank you. What you are saying does make sense, and I can definitely relate.

I definitely see where you are coming from as far as your diet is concerned. I've always preferred cooking over baking because it is more "organic." A pinch, a dash, a sprinkle. Not having that freedom to just cook and count calories accurately drives me insane.

And using the fork dip method for salad dressing when eating out would be a whole lot less stressful without counting calories.

I'm planning my lunch for my first day of a new job. I really want an almond butter and fresh berry sandwich on whole wheat bread. Real bread- not a sandwich thin. I don't eat real bread when I count calories because the thins are only 100 calories. And it's a nice grown up version of my old pb&j... Especially if I pair it with some carrot sticks, more berries, some sharp cheddar cheese, and a nice tall glass of whole milk (I just started drinking milk again after 4 years and now I love whole milk).

The paprika is a good idea, and I just thought to look up a recipe for barbecue seasoning. Maybe I can tweak a recipe to work for me.

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Hi Lissa,

I just want to add that I completely agree with the point about being "ready" as it completely chimes with my own experiences. I was obese for more than a decade and never made a very sustained attempt to do anything about it. I didn't drink soda, every once in a while I would change to skim milk or make a few other small changes, and in the summers I would usually get back the fitness I had lost over the winter. I was on thyroid hormone, but would sometimes forget to go back and get a new prescription...

Then I got a phone call from my health insurance telling me that I could, now that I was 35, get some blood work done to screen for type 2 diabetes and a host of other things best caught as early as possible. That was the shock to my system I needed, and now I am 35 kg lighter and a bit fitter and more muscular and gradually getting the hang of mindfulness.

Even when you are ready, you still have to work out what will work for you and how to combine strategies. I basically had two problems - I was eating too junk food because my shopping patterns and my kitchen and my mealtimes were disorganized, and because I was/am an emotional eater (chewing on gummy bears to relieve stress etc.) Now I do a big weekly shop, have a well-organized kitchen, pay more attention to the rhythm of mealtimes, and am generally a bit more in control of my eating - or at least working on it.

Some people like tracking and plans that free them from the hassle of constantly having to decide what to eat. I couldn't live like that. I don't track every calorie or follow a strict meal plan - it would drive me crazy. The idea that something was off the menu would make me want it, the way looking straight at a pothole when I'm on the bike makes me more likely to hit it than looking up the road and holding a line that takes me past it. I have a routine - fruit is more of a breakfast thing for me, veggies are more of a lunch and dinner thing - but not usually a plan. I enjoy going down to the supermarket and wandering around the fruit and veg sections (fresh and frozen) to see how I can combine budget eating with seasonal eating with a bunch of my favourite foods. I have a stack of diet books (I liked Volumetrics by Barbara Rolls and Eat, Drink and Weigh Less by Mollie Katzen and Walter Willett) and but I don't really follow the plans in any of them, I just scour them for ideas for quick, delicious meals I'd like to try.

Delicious is the key word for me - the stuff I'm going to eat for the rest of my days had better be delicious, especially if it's going to make me live for even more days. I'm always on the lookout for recipes that turn a healthy ingredient I'm not mad about - apples, say - into meals I like. And for recipes that turn the healthy ingredients I already like into something incredibly special. One of my new "magic ingredients" is smoked paprika. You could possibly try it on popcorn - maybe it would bring you a step closer to that "barbecue" flavour you miss. You might also want to experiment with other herbs, spices and condiments, like different mustards.

I focus more on what I should eat than what I shouldn't overdo. I don't have set limits for those, but I do keep them in a special drawer in the kitchen and try to be mindful when I'm on that side of the kitchen. If I'm going out an an all-day cycle, I might take a more liberal helping of fast-acting calories from the magic drawer - otherwise I watch portions.

If you feel under pressure, be gentle with yourself (and try to be as gentle as you can with all the other people who contribute here). Maybe it's not a great time for a super-strict diet, especially if you feel you might not be ready yet, or that you respond badly to inflexible approaches. But you could try to discover one new recipe a week that is quick, healthy and delicious. Buy some random fruit or vegetable you don't buy often and then google until you find a recipe you might want to try. Some will be keepers. You might find yourself very gradually transitioning to a healthier way of eating. You can also force your own hand by cooking up a big batch of dried beans or grains - once you have them sitting there cooked, you have to get creative and work out how to turn them into meals.

Everyone is different, and maybe most of what has worked for me won't suit you. But maybe there's a useful nugget in there somewhere ... emoticon




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That blog post to which you are referring is regarding both myself and my friend. I do things with my friend that I normally wouldn't do on my own.

Did you look at my other posts that weren't categorized under "Two Scoops of Crazy"? My blog is under construction right now, so it's a little bit more difficult to find them than it was before, but they are still there.

But really, if I were TROLLING the boards, my threads would be different. Trust me, I have characters that I use to troll. I don't troll with my personal account.

But I haven't done that on here. I have two Spark accounts, and one is my old SparkTEEN account that I can't use anymore because I'm too old.

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If you don't like the word "diet" then don't use it. But again, WHAT YOU EAT IS YOUR DIET.

Low fat diet
Low carb diet
Calorie controlled diet
A diet high in produce
A diet low in processed sugar.

All diets.

And I am not here to troll the boards, and if I was here to do that it would be under a DIFFERENT username. Unless "troll" means not agreeing with and running out to apply every suggestion given no matter how unrealistic it is for me

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Ok, I was wondering about this earlier but now I'm becoming fairly certain, that the OP is trolling these boards.

Having reviewed some of her personal blog site's postings (such as "we post our ugliest pictures and label them as 'hawt pics' and ask what is our best feature and what should we improve, just to see what kind of responses we get!") - my assessment of THIS thread is perhaps not far off the mark.

LISSA, your treatment of those that have responded to your thread has been sad to see. You are disrespecting the entire community. But... I suspect that was your plan.

NOW I'm done. /out

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Do not like the word "diet"
Prefer to use portion control, eat sensibly, get support from others
One day at a time
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No worries!
Lissa, I meant no disrespect by spelling your name incorrectly. I have edited my post to correct that. Email is funny - sometimes the nuances and tone don't communicated well. My words were meant lovingly because I KNOW what a struggle this whole weight thing can be.
'Nuff said.

It's Friday so lets everyone go have a great weekend.




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Oh, and Bunny, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you said you weren't going to post here anymore. I'm just a little confused.

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Not calling me by my name is, in my eyes, a sign of disrespect. I was simply correcting a mistake. I didn't draw it out. It was a quick and simple "You spelled my name wrong".The only thing "snarky" was your interpretation. You cannot read emotions on the internet, so you're just making assumptions without knowing the person behind the computer. In general, the only person who REALLY can read my emotions in online conversations is my best friend... and that's because he knows me that well. YOU, however, do NOT know me.

Besides, I've addressed some of the points she made before:

"you need to plan your eating FIRST and your activities around that."

THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. I have church most Wednesdays. Church gets out between 8:30 and 9pm. Then, we stand around and decide if we are going out afterwards or not. On most nights, people are indecisive and at the absolute last second where we're going is decided (usually Red Mango, a diner, Smashburger, a Viet-Thai place, or Qdoba are the top choices, and I know what to get at all of those places). The problem is, the calorie counts will vary quite a bit, so I can't just plan on having 300 calories for dinner. It might be enough for Qdoba, but not enough for Pho.

How can I plan my life around my diet? Because essentially, that's what you're saying. Plan what I do around my menu. Shouldn't it be the opposite? Shouldn't I be planning my menu and diet around my life?

And let's say, I do know in advance. One night, my best friend and I decided to go to the Cheesecake factory. I had a rough idea of what I wanted to eat, but I was still debating between two or three items on the Skinnylicious menu. I had a snack in the car (some fruit and cheese), but because it was a busy night, there was a long wait for a table. By the time we sat down, I was ravenous- and I had followed the good advice of having a snack before leaving for the restaurant. (Actually, I had it on the way there just so I wouldn't risk me eating it at 6pm and my friend not picking me up until closer to 7).

I do usually bring a snack (yogurt with berries or a banana with almond butter or cheese and fruit) to youth group to help hold me over- especially if I end up going home and cooking dinner instead of eating out. However, I've also forgotten the snack on occasion. And I'm just as hungry when I eat dinner. It doesn't fend off hunger for me- even the good, filling snacks).

I plan not to arrive ravenous, but most of the time, I still do. Maybe I should find a way to eat a full meal during that 10-15 minute window I have to eat my snack at youth group. Then, I can be the rude person who goes into a restaurant, sits at a table, and doesn't order anything but water. (Oh and I don't carry cash and I don't like paying ATM fees which means I won't be leaving a tip).



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"First off, it's LISSA, not Lisa. "

OK, ENOUGH.

There is NO NEED to rudely snark over a slight mis-spell of your name - is that ALL you got out of her post???? The poster you are snipping at had some EXCELLENT things to say - she put her heart out there and tried to connect with you on a level that might possibly resonate with you - and ALL you can do is dismiss her effort with a huffy "First off, it's LISSA.."

Do you not understand that the people responding to you are spending good amounts of their personal time, putting their heart and soul and personal struggles out there, to try and HELP you? Could you not be the least bit gracious? You don't have to take any of the advice offered - but you DO need to exhibit some basic manners.



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First off, it's LISSA, not Lisa.

Second, eating when I'm hungry is PART OF THE PROBLEM. I eat when I'm hungry, but then I worry that I'm eating too much because I'm going over my calories. I do eat plenty of fat, and I've made a lot of changes to my diet. When I first did WW, I lost weight, but my typical menu (on a day I ate out) would be:

Honeynut cheerios and vanilla soy milk with an Asian pear for breakfast

A Lean cuisine and a salad for lunch (topped with fat-free Italian dressing)

Frozen grapes and a WW string cheese for a snack.

A Cosi Chicken TBM Light half sandwich on multigrain bread, half of a signature salad light, and baby carrot sticks.

A grande caramel espresso frappucino (there were no milk options at the time) and either a 100 calorie pack or a chocolate pretzel from Barnes and Noble.

I got down to a size 6... almost a 4 doing this (and I did have a treat meal once a week), However, after my Birthday week, I went to Utah for a month where I had to deal with a lot of intense family issues and that triggered some extreme insomnia and night binges. After this, I went to St. Louis for a week and then a couple weeks later I got started at a new college, and things got a little out of control. I spent 13 hours or more at school, and instead of packing a healthy lunch, I'd pack junk food or nothing at all.

I don't get how I was able to stick to what I was doing on WW for so long, but I can't stick to the healthier changes.

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LOVEXAVIE, wow, that was an absolutely excellent post. emoticon


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Dear LISSA,

I just want to echo what has been said about, "being ready."
Anything you want to achieve in life happens in the mind first. How do you know when you are ready? You will know because your actions will match your desires, and while it may not be effortless, it will come much, much more naturally for you. It will not feel like you are constantly trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Right now, you are exhausted w/ the whole thing because you've basically been swimming upstream. That's proof that 'you're doing it wrong.'

My last attempt at losing wt. was derailed due to hunger, especially nighttime hunger where you awaken hungry and then that's all you can think about and can't get back to sleep! Well guess what: I was doing it wrong! You need to get good fats in your diet, and spaced out throughout the day. There's nothing wrong w/ eating when you're hungry, in fact, you should. You just need to eat better quality, nutritious yet delicious foods. Yes, you have to be mindful of portions, but no deprivation. That's why we can't stick w/ things for long.

I agree you are probably not ready, and that's not a bad thing, nor an insult! I spent over 10 yrs not being ready, though of course I, too, really, really, really wanted to lose weight. Bottom line; I was NOT willing to do what it took to do so. Did that make me a bad person? Nope. I simply wasn't ready to tackle this, that's all.

One of the BIG reasons I wasn't in the mindset to tackle it was because of all the previous ways I had approached it. Even when I succeeded and lost 50lbs, it was hard and got harder and eventually proved unsustainable. And I gained the weight back in record time!
Think about it, Lisa: what sane, rational person would want to put themselves through such ineffectual torture?? No one! So really, the fact that I didn't want to do it yet again was just an indicator that a) I was completely normal and b) I was probably doing it wrong.
And I was.

There is no magic pill. I tried that (Phen-Fen - it "worked" for a while but once off it, boom! the weight came back since I didn't LEARN how to properly eat).
Low Carb? That was better, and to this day I still naturally gravitate towards that, but doing it in the extreme made me want to kill someone for their sandwich.
I had to find what worked for me, just like we all do.

Right now, you are just living your life first and letting good nutrition just fall in where you can & want to apply it. But, if you really want to succeed at losing weight, you need to plan your eating FIRST and your activities around that. You're young! You want to go out w/ your friends and do stuff! That's normal and good. Yes, there will be times when "life happens" but grown up decisions require we put forth the effort to the things that matter - even if. Even if we have to work late. Even if we don't like veggies. Even if I don't feel like doing all the prep work for planning. Even if...even if. You get my point. This isn't about being perfect: strive to plan for as much as you can (say - 80-90%) and then you've got a small cushion for the other "life happens" stuff.

Example: last night I had a video shoot I had to attend for work. I knew it would be a late evening. I planned accordingly. I took my cooler in my car w/ bottle of water, some Atkins bars I like, some Laughing Cow cheese and of course, my bag of 4.5 cups of fresh cut up veggies. I planned out what I was going to eat starting w/ breakfast. Before the shoot, I arrived early and ate the cheese in the car. I brought the veggies in w/me and boy was I glad. They had a craft services table set up and all kinds of yummy tempting stuff. And free drinks. I had a goal in mind, I already knew how many calories I had consumed beforehand, and I planned to not arrive ravenous. I was able to eat my veggies on the sly during breaks. Crisis averted.

Instead of letting the days events dictate what I ate, I determined what I was going to eat. I set myself up to succeed. Does it always work flawlessly like that? Heck no!! But you just keep going. If it works more often than not, you build on that. You gain confidence and you don't quit.

Maybe you just need to take a break for a bit. Relax and enjoy your life. You can always rededicate yourself when you are ready. For now, just delight in the things you do well, and you do seem to do some stuff well (like drinking water). That's great and keep it up.

You'll know when you're ready. Until then, no need to be miserable. Go forth, enjoy, and just do the best you can.

I really do wish you all the best!


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EATING THE "RIGHT" FOODS LEAVES ME HUNGRY, BUT EATING THE WRONG ONES FILLS ME UP- PUSHING ME OFF TRACK.


Again - this is basically everyone.
For me - a giant piece of lasagna and garlic bread is going to make me way more full than a grilled chicken breast, asparagus and 1/2 cup of brown rice.

I think a huge part of this is learning to live with feeling less full than what you've become used to.

But I still encourage you to see a doctor regarding hormone imbalance, or thyroid - unless you have and I missed that.


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Yes, you're changing your diet.
I agree.

I think the difference is in how people use the word.
You're not ON a diet. You HAVE a diet.

And you need a healthier one.





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A lifestyle change to my DIET.

Diet is not an evil word.

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Don't think of it as a diet, think of it as a life style change. emoticon emoticon



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