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Well ... one opinion.
This is a reason I object to the concept of "dieting". You don't alter your lifestyle temporarily to reach some goal and then go back to your old habits. Nutrition has to be a lifestyle change. If you don't change your relationship with food, you're never going to achieve or maintain any advantages. Very many people talk about "diets", and magic bullets - diet pills, special products - just to get to some arbitrary point. They don't talk about how they're changing their food intakes and choices. That will never work, IMO. Even those who go the extensive, more dangerous, and expensive route of surgery are doomed in many cases because they think they can take shortcuts and not have to change their eating habits. The unfortunate truth is that most people who really are concerned for their weight and health are in this category. So naturally, the conclusion is that weight loss isn't possible. It *IS* possible, if done correctly. It's just not likely, given the advice we're still receiving and the mindset of those who are trying.


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6/7/14 7:35 A

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Interesting article and comments



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6/7/14 7:32 A

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I won't bother reading the article. There are many out there who are living proof that weight loss and maintenance of that loss over the long term is possible, even if we are in less than 5% minority. I agree with one who said they should be studying the 5% who show this is possible instead of focusing on the 95% who gain the weight back.

I totally agree that an extremely high percentage of people who try to lose weight will NEVER lose it and keep it off, but that does not mean it is impossible. In fact, science shows the choices those people make will cause them to gain weight, maintain, or lose.

I am a Lifetime Weight Watchers member. Having read perspectives on forums like this and going to weight loss group meetings (like Weight Watchers and Tops) I have a view of the perspective of many people. And I would never want to discourage anyone telling them weight loss is impossible. Still, there is something negative in the form of a reality check, that many are not willing to hear or accept. An example that comes to my mind, and I have used it here before, is one I will repeat.

At a typical Weight Watcher's meeting after a big holiday, we were having small talk and chit chat before the formal part of the meeting. One lady gained and blamed it on the piece of pie she ate. Someone asked "Was it worth it?" She emphatically said "Yes!" and many laughed, understood and agreed the pie would be "worth it." The fact that one piece of pie probably did not actually cause her weight gain is a topic for another day, but so many do not understand they will have to change the way they feel about "pie" and overeating if they want to permanently lose weight and keep it off.



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6/6/14 5:41 P

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Nothing is impossible as impossible is a state of mind!



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6/6/14 3:51 P

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To me this is a matter of applying big picture statistics to individuals. It is true that a high percentage of people who lose weight gain some or all of it back. That tells us that long term maintenance is not easy.

But applying a statistic to a single life is clunky at best and poor methodology at worst. There are many individuals that do maintain weight long term, they just don't make up a large percentage of the total people that lose weight.

Many things in life go against the statistics. As for weight loss, it is up to me for my life to find the answer to my individual weight loss needs, not some macro statistic.

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There is a difference between "weight loss" and "long term weight loss". Weight loss is possible, we have all done it, time and time again. The long term part, the forever part, there is some truth to this article. But the dude writing it, who makes money doing bariactic surgery, better look us some more "facts". Every single person I know personally, who has had weight loss surgery, has gained either most or ALL and some more of it back, that's 11 people. People with Master's Degree's, school teachers, CEO's, and clerks, it doesn't matter, they gained it back. So even the bariactic surgery isn't the magic cure, either. People who lose weight, reach a point when they just can't stand to eat another salad, and to walk another mile, have some more boiled eggs, blah blah. So they go back to eating and living the way they felt the most secure. Telling them to cut off their cable, satellite, phones, and stuff, is hogwash, that isn't gonna change them, and you wouldn't do it, either.

There really is no magic, we each have to learn to love semi starvation, that is the only way I lost weight where I kept it off, that, and 3 hrs. of riding an exercise bike each day, no weekends off, etc. When my husband became deathly ill, then I stopped because I was the caregiver. Stopping and restarting is the name of this game. The article writer, someone needs to look him up, he is trying to drum up business is all. Weight loss is a Billion Dollar business, people.

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6/6/14 1:57 P

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Sticking w/ the new healthy lifestyle is 'Key" and it does work. It's a personal choice.


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6/5/14 9:52 P

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People will gain the weight back if they go back to old habits.



Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Eat what you like and if someone comments, eat them too

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I did not read the article because I know that is not true. I am proving it untrue in maintaining my loss for ten years. I have a healthy lifestyle I love that will support my continued fit and thriving self. emoticon

If I can do it so can others!!

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Losing weight is a hard process sometimes because it has its ups and downs. I made some poor food choices in the last two days. I also did not exercise yesterday.
Today I picked myself up, dusted off the 'should haves' and went for an hour walk.


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6/5/14 8:42 P

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I went to a nutritionist to get a better handle on my food choices. She told me that I needed to have gastric bypass to successfully lose weight ... nothing else would work.

Hmm ... I paid $75 to be told it was hopeless.

Now I read articles about how exercise is ONLY 20% of the formula to lose weight. Makes it hard to stay encouraged to exercise.

I am listen to myself. I got over weight ... over eating and under moving. If I change those behaviors I WILL change my weight.

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6/5/14 8:40 P

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Dr Yoni Freedhoff gave a great reply to the article in his Weighty Matters blog
Is it Really "Scientifically Impossible" to Keep Your Weight Off?
And he happens to BE a bariatric surgeon
www.weightymatters.ca/2014/06/is-it-really
-scientifically-impossible.html


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Here's the deal. It takes a permanent change to keep the weight off. If you keep doing what got you fat, you'll stay fat. If you diet long enough to lose weight, but then go back to your old habits, the weight will come back. Been there, done that - many times, in fact.

The thing I did different this time was plan for maintenance. Goal did not mean "done." I kept tracking, to try to figure out what I needed to do to keep it off. That was actually harder than losing. But it did get easier over time, and I don't need to be quite as strict as I did at first. I actually do enjoy myself and it isn't a struggle every day, but I do have to be careful about what I eat MOST of the time, and I have to exercise daily. I wish I could be as carefree as other people seem to be about what I eat -- but I can't do that. I can live with it, though, because life without those 100 extra pounds is so much easier in so many other ways.

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6/5/14 4:41 P

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Thanks Nireren - I didn't notice the link button.

Seems like most of you thought what I did - that the study wasn't very representative of the general population. I have graduate certificates in both statistical analysis and research design ... I would love to see the actual research regarding this. We blame the scientists a lot, but really it's the media that take these stories and use them as scare tactic for ratings.

Glad to hear all your thoughts.



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I admit I skimmed the article, but am not surprised. I read something else the other day - will power is limited. www.wired.com/2012/10/mf-willpower/

For me, stress is the biggest factor on movement and eating. No matter what "diet" I follow, I will never keep the weight off unless I develop tools to deal with stress - the issues UNDER the weight and use them.

Without dealing with them, I will never keep the weight off.

It's never really about the food.

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That is simply not true!!!!

Janie Garcia Moreno

"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE"

"PRAYER CHANGES THINGS"

"NEVER PUT A QUESTION MARK WHERE GOD HAS PUT A PERIOD!"

"WHAT THE MIND CAN CONCEIVE AND BELIEVE, IT CAN ACHIEVE!"


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Sure that article is true if you look at obese people who don't work their tail off and change their lifestyle. Then you bet weight loss is impossible. If weight loss was easy then the whole world would be thin.
We live in a country that convenience is everything. We eat in the car, on the sofa, in front of our computers. We have 44 ounce sodas on every corner.
If we went back 60 years ago, this stuff didn't happen. Heck 100 years ago you grew your own food which meant you probably burned as many calories as you consumed each day doing physical labor.
I am not saying I am perfect because I am as guilty as the next for sitting on my rear, eating in the car, etc. But if people want to lose it then they need to get their tush off that couch, cancel your internet, satellite, cell phone, etc and get out and walk to your friends house, walk to the store, pull the weeds in your flowerbeds or heck just plant some flowerbeds.


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6/5/14 12:36 P

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@ Moniee - lol...mine too emoticon

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What the article is saying is something I think we all know or knew.

Taking the weight off is one thing. Keeping it off is another.

The article suggests that bariatric surgery is an option for people who are extremely obese. However, what the article doesn't address is WHY people can't seem to keep the weight off once they'd lost.

From my own personal experience, I've found that the reason I packed the weight back on other times was because my portions started getting bigger and stopped being mindful of what I ate.

What the experts should be doing is studying the 5% of the people who took the weight off and kept it off. What are they doing differently from the 95% of the people who lose weight and gain in back ? Once again, I suspect they'd find that the people who regain the weight tend to be those who've let their healthy habits slip.

And those of us who lost the weight will tell you, we've all had times when some of the weight did creep back. What did I/we do ? As KJ would say, we went back to the basics.

I think this article is nothing more than re-hash of things we already knew. It's hard to lose weight and keep it off. That really IS the Holy Grail of weight loss. Find a way to help people keep the weight off and you'll make more money than Bill Gates.



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Weight loss impossible?? I say hogwash to that. I'm living proof that weight loss is possible.

**LINDA**

Weight loss is accomplished with the mind.


A person who wants something WILL find a way....a person who doesn't will find an excuse.

Which do you prefer?
The pain of self discipline?....or...the pain of self regret?






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The article sounds like an advertisement for bariatric surgery. The People will gain back weight when they go back to old food choices, bigger portions, and more calories. Even with stomach surgery, a person's lifestyle choices has a big impact on their weight. Maintaining one's weight loss is as important as losing it. Managing your health and weight is a never ending task...and the different stages of one's life will require changes along the way. The goal is to do what you can to be as healthy as you can be, so that you can enjoy life.

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My thoughts....blah, blah, blah......



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I tried and struggled with the SP diet recommendations for over a year. They helped, but I couldn't get past losing 20 pounds. I went to the doctor for a physical and he said I was obese, so I began a very low carb high fat diet recommended by my doctor. That helped me lose about another 20 pounds, but I struggled more with the limitations of my "diet". So now I'm exercising more and eating more carbs and I feel less "urgencies" for satisfying my sweet tooth. We're going on year 3, so we'll see how this plays out....
ULTIMATELY, I think there is a "common guideline" that works for everyone to some degree, but due to the variations in chemistry and genetics, that "common guideline" works great for no-one.



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So, one psychologist sees people who lose weight and then put it back within 10 years and then a journalist finds an academic to confirm this idea and then writes an article that says that no one can lose weight in the long term. We just have to trust that the psychologist actually analyzed all the available material properly with no actual citations.
Maybe it is true- people's weight does change over time. My husband lost a bunch of weight, kept if off for 5 years, then gained it all back. He lost again years later but gained it all back within a year. Why? Because he stopped doing what caused him to lose weight. At first, he did Atkins and stuck to it until I came along. I was a bad influence. We were eating out frequently, I didn't want to do low carb, and we both gained weight. The next time he went on another very restrictive diet and "took a break" from it and went back to eating with abandon and gained it all back. He gained it back, not because it was inevitable, but because he "went off the diet" and went to the other extreme in food choices. He was never one for exercise so that didn't help.
I have lost 50 pounds but I have not got even close to my highest weight again because I have not gone back to my old habits. It's been 8 years now and I struggle to stay at the bottom weight, but I cannot see me gaining back the rest without some major change in my current lifestyle.
I just don't fully trust journalists to tell the whole story. She did not cite multiple studies to back up her ideas. She didn't cite even one. She said that one of her sources looked at some data from unknown studies and came to a really headline catching conclusion. I just don't put total faith in that.




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Oh look, you can get "research" to prove just about anything. Surely you know that by now....

There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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1. if you want people to follow the link you should use the add a link button. it's right above the box that you type in.
2. imo you lose weight and keep it off at the point where you mentally hit a certain place and build up the resources to deal with whatever issues you happen to have. to me, it makes a lot of sense that in a research setting that you wouldn't find a lot of long term success. the idea that an intense nutrition and exercise study would just happen to be full of people at that exact point where they get it enough to do something about it is unlikely to say the least. so that group of people getting intense effort are most likely not at that point where they can truly do something about it. it's a lead a horse to water situation. i'm sure they get something out of it, but it's only when that random really thirsty person steps in that it all gets together and works long term. and there are a lot of people that never reach that ideal little mindspace. they get burned out trying every fad diet on the planet. they can't ever get their head all the way around what they need to change and how to do it. which in turn leads to high failure rates. finding that sweet spot that works for you is difficult. it's not impossible, but a lot of people don't ever reach that place where they are ready to do it and ready to sift out what they can keep and what they need to toss and are able to do it in a way that they enjoy doing it. so many people do the difficult extremes that are such miserable failures in the long term because they don't want to adjust their fallbacks because that would be the really hard work because it addresses a lot of long ingrained misconceptions. and adjusting your fallback point is what works long term. it's a lot harder for most people to take a half stick of butter out of grandma's mac and cheese and to pair that with steamed broccoli than it is to only eat cabbage for three weeks. adjusting grandma's mac is something that's a long term great step, but it has little to no short term impact by itself at the same time it questions the how and why of the way you do things. but that's how you get long term success. and that's why you have to be in that sweet spot for it to work. you have to have tried all the short term things that don't work and be able to put faith into the small changes that really work. when we have been so ingrained to see results now, that's very hard to do, which is why so few people reach that spot.

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I don't believe that-PLEASE tell me it's not true!!!!!!!

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+10 to what the PP said. Also this is a classic case of correlation being mistaken for causation.



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It seems to me that for every scientific finding, there is another study that contradicts it.



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I saw this article this morning and I'm curious what everyone thinks. It's depressing, so I caution everyone about reading it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/obesity-research-confirms-long-term-weight-loss-almost-impossible-1.2663585



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