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BankerChuck,
how about sugar is easy for SOME of us to quit cold turkey and for others it is so hard it wrecks our health and may very well kill or permanently debilitate family members. Just learn about the side effects of advanced type 2 diabetes.
Brian,
I think your last two posts were right on the money. We need to look at why it is harder for many people to get off sugar permanently (and often stay in the morbidly obese category) then quitting smoking or drinking.
One significant difference is our culture, which is very supportive and understanding in recent years if people want to give up alcohol or smoking. Most people will try not to tempt someone who is trying to quit.
With sugar the temptations are EVERYWHERE: ads on billboards, newspapers, internet, TV..., people eating junk at work, in schools, on the street, in their cars and food is for sale at every gas station. This is something that has been taken to an extreme in America but is getting more common in other cultures, too. The one place where junk food does not have to be is on our dinner table. So if we can control what is in our homes and make a conscious effort to avoid advertising whenever possible we are making a start.
Just a few weeks ago I had to sell sugar-laden junk food at a concession stand for a SWIM MEET for kids, a place where eating for health should be a no-brainer. It was the first time in 2 years that I felt completely comfortable being around all that stuff knowing that neither the donuts, nor the candy bars, popcorn, nachos or even the sugary " fruit" yogurt would
tempt me. Towards the end I had some barbecued pulled pork and even that tasted disgustingly way too sweet with all the barbecue sauce added so I rinsed some off.
It can be a long process, but creating a supportive environment at home is absolutely critical. I think getting a second fridge and food storage area for any family members that want to continue eating junk food is a very small price to pay.
Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 3/24/2014 (15:11)
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I can tell you I quit sugar for five months last year. Yesterday I ate 6500 calories mostly of sugar. I could not have stopped without someone taking away my money and my car.

I for one believe that sugar addiction is real.

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I have heard that but having a hard time believing. Sugar does not cause you to lose your job, families, self-worth....and the list goes on. Sugar is easy to quit cold-turkey.

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of course the title of this story that this thread was taken from is a little provocative. I am not sure even after reading it how it can be determined if something is 8X more addictive than something else. Also no one will lose their family, job or other things that cocaine or alcohol will probably cause.

That gotten out of the way This is a topic I find myself drawn to . The reason is daily we hear and read some article talking about an obesity crisis and how much it is costing us in health care costs. We who are here on Spark people are either looking for or have found the solutions. The spark diet can be a solution and for many it is. What about the people who feel like they have tried everything and still can't get it right?

Decades ago alcoholics were told just stop drinking. Just think about your family. Just think about what you are doing to yourself. Some could but until AA many could not.

Drug users were told much the same. Now people who just can't stop eating are told just eat everything in moderation. Just watch your fat and eat healthy whole grains and you will be fine.

But of the obese people who feel like they have tried everything. Even overeaters anonymous has not helped many of these people to the degree that AA and NA have for other addictions for one reason or another. Not everyone falls into this category but I will bet that a large percentage of people in them morbidly obese category have:
1. tried multiple diets
2. Lost significant weight at least once in their lives and gained it back.
3. Feel like they would do anything to lose weight.

Many of these people have seen counselors and have tried multiple diets and eating plans to various degrees of success.

So what about those people? Whether you call it an addiction, a compulsion or just an albatross, they make up a large percentage of morbidly obese people and cost the health care system millions and the only advice we have for them is eat everything in moderation. It seems like there must be something more than this and Let's Move.

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LOL, I have never heard of anyone hating sugar, that's the problem. And of course anyone is free to indulge as much as they want. It's your body and you'll have to live with it when it falls apart. Sugar causes inflammation and is at least a partial cause of heart disease, Alzheimer's, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, arthritis, and a huge risk factor for cancer. But other than that it's fine. emoticon
I'm very glad I have found better sources to make myself feel good. emoticon

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Since "give me a break" is difficult to debate even outside of science, I will indeed give you that break. Although I would point out that all addicts have a denial factor.

p.s. I love sugar and that's exactly why I'm having to read the book.



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Give me a break, it's not to be compared with cocaine! Hate sugar? Stop eating it and let the rest of us enjoy it.

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I don't call it an addiction, especially not one that is eight times as addictive as cocaine, but any combo of chocolate, fat and sugar is very tempting for me.

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I want to add a little anecdote to this, not to prove anything, just to encourage people to find out if sugar, at least in some combination, is addicitive for them.
I used to be absolutely crazy about Nutella (a hazelnut spread that has far more sugar than hazelnuts). But I wanted it in a certain combination: a crusty french bread with lots of butter on it and then lots of Nutella on top of that. I could eat this combination in HUGE amounts.
Just the other day I decided to try if I could have just a taste, about 1 tsp., on a low-carb pancake made with nut meals and eggs. It tasted very good but it was also disappointing. So I spent some time analyzing why it was disappointing and realized that it was the combination and the amount that gave me the high, and a very powerful one. Many people don't think that sugar in and of itself is very tempting in it's granular form. But the combination with certain other foods that may also be addictive (like wheat is for me) can create a very intense craving for that very intense high. Since I've never used Cocaine I can't compare, but let's say I was glad that I had no french bread nor a large supply of Nutella around.
The butter by itself is not tempting for me at all, either and I can enjoy it in moderation.
So my question is this: what combination of sugar is the most tempting for you and how much would you eat if nobody is watching and supply is unlimited?

Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 3/24/2014 (00:06)
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The book is a very good read and explains exactly why it IS scientifically an addiction like other serious addictions. It also gives great insight into why we're such an obese country and what's really behind it.

One of the posters mentioned that sugar was natural. If you ever taste a sugar cane you will understand the sugar we eat is NOT natural. it has been processed and refined to be sweet and yummy and call us back for more.

The only reason I even read this book was I went to my Dr regarding some symptoms I was having that were hormone related and she gave me the information of this book and said that it was a great holistic way to go if I didn't want to go on Rx drugs.



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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Interesting thread.

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How can anyone judge for another person if sugar is addictive for them (even more so than prescription drugs). I have had to withdraw hydrocodone twice after surgeries and for me that was far easier than to withdraw sugar. There are simply too many factors in each person's life to know how someone else will react. I have talked to several people who were addicted to both sugar and also cigarettes and/or alcohol and they said sugar withdrawal was the worst. Even research on the topic will only give us the average response but not the individual differences. There are simply no studies that are large enough on this topic in people. If a significant number of people see themselves as addicted to sugar then why would anyone try to talk them out of it and possibly make their life a lot more difficult?
Anyone can eat as much sugar as they like, it's a free country, but to tell someone that small amounts of sugar are ok for everyone is not at all based on science as far as I can see.
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Thank you EXOTEC and all the rest of you that have researched this topic. Sugar is not just what you put into food, it is also the starchy foods like potatoes, gravy, breads etc turn into a form of sugar when metabolized. People think just because they don't eat added sugar they are just fine. The simple carbs, food additives (like forms of sugar) to make "low fat" or "fat free" taste better & "white" foods like flour, pizza crust for example... things people wouldn't think of as "sugar" can be harmful especially to a diabetic.

The article does not say the detoxes are worse, that is where I think so many people are misunderstanding this issue. For many people with diabetes or obesity, their causes of death are mainly the damage to their vital organs such as kidney failure, heart attack etc. Studies show that there are more healthcare costs & deaths related to obesity & diabetes than there are to cocaine related costs & deaths. Science has shown that "sugar" and all of it's other known names truly is addictive.

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One thing for sure, just plain common sense won't cause a person to stop either one of those things.

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idk... it seems to me that it's not sugar that is killing your DH. It's denial that's doing it. Denial that the consumption of sugar has a detrimental effect on his body. Denial that his blood sugar numbers are out of control. He may be so far in denial that he just ignores the fact that he has diabetes in the first place. Once you face up to the denial.... you start looking for the solutions. Which, for a diabetic, would include a healthy, well-balanced diet and some exercise. Because it's not *just* sugar which affects diabetes.

I really don't care for headlines/ book titles like "Sugar is 8x more addictive than Cocaine". To me, that smacks of, "I've written a book and I want to shock people so they'll buy a bunch of copies and maybe even some of these supplements and other crap I'm hawking, too, while I'm on all these talk shows making money just to appear and talk about this bs".

While I do indeed believe that Americans in general consume too much sugar.... I don't think it's helpful to talk about sugar in the same sentence as cocaine. Too much sugar may lead to cravings for more sugar and cutting back on the sugar may be difficult. But it's not within the same realm as an addiction to cocaine or heroin or prescription pain killers or whatever.

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While I don't think it's 8Xs more addictive than cocaine or that it's a true addiction at all, I do feel less sugar is good for me as 1) it does increase my appetite for sweet food and 2) according to the nurse practitioner in the medical practice where I am a patient, sugar (like sodium) impacts blood pressure and from my readings when eating too much sugar, I think that is probably true.

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I agree. My son started eating less sugar in high school, mainly due to the fact he didn't want more breakouts and it was a good thing. We all started doing it & feel so much better for it. I follow Jorge Cruise's plan. I do think it's very addictive and it feeds cancer cells. If that's not enough to turn off it, I don't know what else is.



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There are images of the neural pathways in the brain of people with "real" (?) addictions and those with "fake" (?) sugar addiction. The very same pathways light up in the very same ways for both/all substances. I lean toward credence in those images rather than what is convenient, habitual, or what I *want* to believe. The sugars in our present diet are abnormal, both in type and in quantity. I'm trying to abstain.

Here's an excerpt from the conclusions of the NIH study:

[Neurosci Biobehav Rev.]
Published online May 18, 2007.
Nicole M. Avena, Pedro Rada, and Bartley G. Hoebel

The reviewed evidence supports the theory that… intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavior and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse. According to the evidence in rats, intermittent access to sugar and chow is capable of producing a “dependency”. This was operationally defined by tests for bingeing, withdrawal, craving, and cross-sensitization to amphetamine and alcohol…What this review demonstrates is that rats with intermittent access to food and a sugar solution can show both a constellation of behaviors and parallel brain changes that are characteristic of rats that voluntarily self-administer addictive drugs. In the aggregrate, this is evidence that sugar can be addictive.


Edited by: EXOTEC at: 3/17/2014 (11:04)
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I scrolled through this with great interest. I crave sugar, and I have used the term "addicted" to describe my relationship with sugar. But I don't think we should get hung up on what we call this problem for some of us.
I used to work in a detox center. I once asked the Exec Director why we had a big smoking room for the patients, as smoking was not very healthy. He explained that smoking was harder to quit than heroin and he wanted them to focus on one addiction at a time - with drugs or alcohol taking priority as it kept them from being productive members of society.
Now, when you detox from smoking, it does not have as dramatic a physical effect as drugs or alcohol, but we still consider smoking an addiction - the same goes for sugar or whatever else our brains are telling us we can't live without. There is definitely a physical component.






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The same can be said of any dependency creating substance. I can drink alcohol in moderation but I have known many souls in my life that couldn't. I am positive there are people that can use illegal drugs in moderation without excess.

Every dependency whether emotional or physical is individual.

I think the key for anyone who feels weakness to sugar or any other substance is not to get hung up on a word (addiction) but to find out what needs to be done to control the weakness.

In my own life I have found over 40 years of trying the only answer is to abstain from sugar and processed foods. Whether it be mental, physical or a combination of both when I eat sugary processed garbage the effect to my brain is to keep going and never stop until I am sick. There is no moderation at that point.

Even though compulsive behaviors such as internet, gaming, shopping etc.are not addictions because there is no substance involved it still triggers something in that person's brain that needs to be dealt with. Those people are wrong if they don't try to find a way to keep it in check, but that doesn't make the effect in the brain not real either.

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I have a family member that is diabetic. And he doesn't use sugar. Has used artificial sweeteners and products containing artificial sweeteners since before I was born. I am 39. We get him a box of Splenda from costco at least once a month.

So if sugar is addictive. Then so are artificial sweeteners.

I am sorry but I don't think sugar is addictive. Not anymore addictive than any other food. I like what Dragon Childe said. That the addiction to food. Is a deeper problem than just that food.

I was addicted to binging and laxatives. It wasn't the food. It was my own feelings of worthlessness.

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I'm glad that you edited your post that I responded to at 11:05.

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I am not trying to offend in any way. I have seen horrible effects of diabetes, I have had family members die from it, treated & cared for many patients with it. I am not promoting this doctors book, i have not read it yet. I am not stating my opinion, I am stating researched facts. I AM a healthcare professional. This topic was not intended to have people argue, it was posted to help people know they are not alone. Sugar is a HUGE problem in today's world, children are being diagnosed with adult onset of type II diabetes. Fast food, and prepackaged foods pack whopping amounts of sugar, salt. fat etc unfortunately we live in a fast paced, fast food world, Here is an interesting read (among many) on sugar addiction: Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews Volume 32, Issue 1, 2008, Pages 20–39
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Evidence for sugar addiction: Behavioral and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763407000589

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"Community leaders posting their "opinion" over education to the facts makes me wonder how they became community leaders! "

We became community leaders because we are knowledgeable, helpful, know a great deal about how SP works, and spend a great deal of our time to volunteer to help the staff here when there's problems in the forums, and help other members when we can. Not because we have no opinions. I have plenty of education, and know the facts. Becoming a community leader doesn't mean we aren't allow to share our opinions. Nothing I nor any of my fellow community leaders say is representative of Sparkpeople's opinions or statements. We are individuals, with individual backgrounds and experiences. Anarie and I often disagree on things, but we do so respectfully, and usually manage to come to some kind of mutual agreement.

What's killing your husband is the diabetes. Not the addiction to sugar. The addiction to sugar is a psychological dependency, and very real, very serious, and is no doubt exacerbating his condition, but it is not the same thing as the physical dependency caused by cocaine and other drugs (legal and otherwise.) Comparing sugar to cocaine is apples to oranges. They are different problems with different solutions. I have never said it's NOT an addiction, but stating it's "8x more addictive than cocaine" is sensationalistic journalism at its worst. You stating that there are more heart attack visits or diabetic complications is not the same as this paper. There are many different causes for both conditions, and you can't lump every one into the "sugar addiction" basket. My uncle suffers from diabetes, a weak heart, deep vein thrombosis, nearly died last month, and is severely, morbidly obese. My aunt is watching him die, slowly, and can't stop it. His drug of choice isn't sugar; you won't find a lick of it in the house. He prefers fast food. Fried chicken and cheeseburgers.

To quote the American Society of Addiction Medicine: "The neurobiology of addiction encompasses more than the neurochemistry of reward."

Just because something lights up similar centers in the brain doesn't make it more addictive.

Diabetes is a separate disease from addiction. It's not even caused by eating too much sugar! See the American Diabetic Association's statement on that:

www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
"Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.

Fact: The answer is not so simple. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors.

Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes."

Being overweight is the primary risk factor for diabetes, and that includes being overweight from eating too much sugar, meat, fat, calories, whatever your addiction of choice.

Your husband is struggling with diabetes. Mine is addicted to prescription pills and alcohol. My uncle's obesity was caused by overeating on fast food and lack of exercise. Whose experience is more valid?

Neither. We can only speak to what we know. But the plural of anecdote is NOT data, and it never will be. Attempting to drag down others with backhanded insults such as that sentence doesn't help your cause, and it doesn't encourage healthy debate, so let me use my status as a community leader here to ask that we all stay respectful to each other, and not let this devolve into personal attacks. The staff here works hard enough, let's not make their jobs harder.


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"Community leaders posting their "opinion" over education to the facts makes me wonder how they became community leaders!"

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"think about how much 'sugar' has helped you to find SparkPeople." Not me. Simple overeating of food is what led me here. If overeating sugar is what led you here, that's what led YOU here.

I could have gotten over weight eating homemade meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

And FYI - my uncle lost both of his legs to diabetes. "maybe they should talk to a diabetic that has lost a limb or two, or visit a dialysis clinic."

I was very close to my Uncle. Your point is what? That we didn't talk????????????? That I should believe the title of your post? That sugar is 8X more addictive than cocaine?

You do understand that is is a public message board open to all. That means, people will have varying opinions on subjects.

So sorry that not everyone here agrees with YOUR opinion on sugar.

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My husband is addicted to sugar, it IS hurting him. He is a type 2 diabetic, and even though sugar (simple carbs) is damaging his heart, pancreas, liver & kidneys, he still wants that sugar. I have helped him while going into convulsions with a 25 blood sugar reading to blood sugar ranges over 500. If anyone doubts that sugar is not an addiction, maybe they should talk to a diabetic that has lost a limb or two, or visit a dialysis clinic. Within the next 20 years, experts predict that 1 out of every 3 people will have diabetes which could potentially bankrupt our nations healthcare system. Diabetes is a world wide epidemic, 2nd to smoking as a preventable disease, (not cocaine). There are more people in this country that are overweight than addicted to cocaine. Instead of putting down a medical experts research (before reading the book) think about how much 'sugar' has helped you to find SparkPeople. For any of you that are health care professionals, can you really say you have seen more cocaine related ER visits than complications from diabetes, or from being overweight (heart attacks)? We all know being overweight causes health problems, it effects so many vital organs. This doctor's interview did not claim that detoxes from cocaine are 8X worse, he said the addiction was.

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"But the biggest thing is that addiction is a disease. Liking sugar isn't. Calling sugar addictive carries the implication that you can't stop over-using it without treatment. It carries the implication that using a little is just as bad as using too much. It turns people who just need to be mindful and skip dessert into victims and disease-sufferers. That doesn't help anyone."

Exactly. And while I firmly believe that food addiction is a real thing, it's a psychological dependency... NOT a chemical one. People who have eating disorders aren't suffering because of the substance, but because of the mental suffering that's being "treated" through food. My uncle isn't killing himself slowly because his body is craving sugar, he's killing himself slowly because he has a disease of the mind. I don't know the specifics of his addiction, but for most people suffering from these kinds of disorders, it's not about the specific foods.

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Of course most of us eat too much sugar. That's not in doubt. But statements like this completely destroy the credibility of anything else the author has to say. All you need is the tiniest bit of critical thinking, and you have to scoff and change the channel.

For example-- "Eight times more addictive"?????? What units do you use to measure addiction? Like, cocaine is 2.4 widgimigudeons addictive and sugar is 19.2 widgimigudeons? Or maybe you measure addictiveness in blubbertyfidgets? Putting numbers on abstract concepts like "addictive" or "interesting" or "important" just shows that the person speaking is trying to impress you with a "scientific" statement that they made up, and s/he hopes you just don't know that science doesn't work that way.

There is a study done in rats that showed that if they were offered their choice of cocaine or Oreo cookies, sometimes they would take the Oreos. It has often been used to say that "sugar is addictive." It doesn't prove anything close to that, though. It just shows that rats like food more than cocaine. It doesn't even show that rats like sugar better than cocaine, because Oreos are high in fat and starch as well. They didn't compare cocaine and peanut butter or cocaine and apples or cocaine and broccoli; for all we know, rats just don't like cocaine. And of course, you can't do a study to see if it works the same way in humans, because then you'd be getting participants addicted to cocaine.

More importantly, though, calling sugar addictive is not constructive and it's not true. There's a gigantic difference between preference and addiction. By definition, addiction is a brain disease characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, in spite of harmful consequences. In order for your sugar cravings to be considered addiction, first of all an MRI would have to show changes to your brain structure, and that just doesn't happen with sugar. But setting that aside, you're addicted to a substance if you would leave your children alone in the middle of the night while you go out looking for that substance, or you would risk getting fired by leaving your workplace to go use it, or you would try to sneak it into a place where it's illegal or forbidden to have it. I don't remember any stories of people getting arrested for child abandonment because their kids were locked up starving in a filthy apartment while the parents were passed out on the floor of a bakery. Perhaps more importantly, if you were addicted, you would prefer the pure substance to a blend. Is there anybody out there who, given the choice between a cupcake and a half-cup of table sugar, would take the straight sugar?

But the biggest thing is that addiction is a disease. Liking sugar isn't. Calling sugar addictive carries the implication that you can't stop over-using it without treatment. It carries the implication that using a little is just as bad as using too much. It turns people who just need to be mindful and skip dessert into victims and disease-sufferers. That doesn't help anyone.



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Dragonchilde is right! If you have ever watched someone detox from drugs or alcohol you know that patients can and often have life threatening symptoms. Not to mention all the tragedy they inflict along the way. I can't tell you how many dead or damaged patients I have seen as a result of those addictions. I have been a critical care nurse for 18 years. Please don't try to sell that sugar and cocaine addictions are in any way the same. If it wasn't so tragic, it would be laughable.

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It seems time to time a single food is targeted in the same manner as "sugar". Odd though, my great grandparents and grandparents cooked their own food. TV type/frozen foods,chemical additives for taste and preserve-except for salt- were non existent for their times, They used sugar, lard (animal fat) in frying, oil for baking, real butter, whole unhomoginized milk so cream settled to the top, and so on and had very little health problems until age related-most lived over 90 yrs of age! Only difference in their diet was No or Very little processed foods! Many other additives added other than sugar can do more harm. Its the taste of SWEET that is addictive-not only singular table sugar. I agree with Dragonchilde, the words to decribe the similiarity between Cocaine and Sugar cannot be used on this site! 100% of people that drink Water will die, right-soo stop drinking?!



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Statements like that need to be taken with a grain of salt. They are meant to be thought provoking and to raise awareness and discussion. We need to remember, stats can be made to support any statement and look for the truth in such claims.

So is sugar as addictive as street drugs? Probably not, but to anyone trying to break the habit, it may seem like it. We need to be aware of the problem and assist with anyone trying to move away from it, but let's not go overboard and blow it out of proportion.



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i agree with you but it is noth to back it up.

i gotta stick with my goal. i can see my way through this this and i will succeed.


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Not sure I agree with that but have not researched it either.

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Is sugar addictive? Sure. More addictive than cocaine? That evokes a number of words that I'm not allowed to use on Sparkpeople, the chief of which involves the grass-infused waste excretions of two-ton herbivores.

I have no doubt that sugar has devastating effects on people's lives (and indeed, I have an uncle who is dying of his.)

However, there is simply no comparison to addiction to street drugs. Such comparisons are insane, insulting, and complete hyperbole. They belittle the devastating effects of addictive drugs on lives, families, children, and spouses. They compare a lack of control in a supermarket to someone trying to rob another human being just to get their next irrational hit. Stop sugar cold turkey, you get cranky, maybe a headache, etc. Stop cocaine, prescription medications, etc, cold turkey, you can ***DIE***. Want to give yourself nightmares? Google Klonopin withdrawal. I've sat by the side of someone detoxing from Klonopin, trying to convince him the doctors aren't trying to kill him, and that there really isn't someone looking over his shoulder telling him to kill himself, and those demons over there in the corner *aren't real*.

If you can't sell a damn book without making such histrionic claims, then you aren't trying to help people, you're trying to sell a book.And consider the source. This is a man who thinks he can cure autism.

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In my opinion, sugar does not in any way resemble cocaine and a penchant for sugar does not equate to a serious addiction such as cocaine. As someone said in the thread, that is "bad science."

That said, eating sugar does indeed make me want to eat more sugar, but I curb it.

I also agree with a previous poster that artificial sweeteners are more toxic than actual sugar.

I used to think that "natural" sugars that were unprocessed (such as honey, agave, etc.) were better for me than processed white table sugar (sucrose), but it is my opinion now that all sugars act pretty much the same way in the body and according to my doctor are fine for me to eat in moderation.

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The added sugars in processed foods is unbelievable when you start looking at ingredients. Its so important to know all the hidden names of the sugars as well. However, I believe that sweeteners are more toxic than actual sugar.



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I do think that there are evil and conspiring individuals who want to make a dollar no matter who they harm..with that said..Those individuals (corporations), put additives in our foods that compel us as consumers to become addicted. One of those substances I am addicted to is sugar. Sad times we live in..but we still have a choice..We can eat healthier..easy said..difficult to do.



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Sorry, I feel sugar and cocaine are NO WAY the same or have the same effect. Comparing a natural sweetner derived from a plant and a drug is stupid..how about comparing cocaine to stevia, agave, or any other sweetner derived from a plant, same! Bad Science!



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Wow, that's amazing and scary!!!!!!

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Personally, I believe that it is! emoticon

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I don't know about cocaine. but I can verify the once I eat a sugary item, I want more and more. I am much better off leaving it alone than trying just a little. emoticon

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I truly think we get stuck on the word addiction. Of course there is no comparison of the extent of a sugar addiction.compulsion to drugs or alcohol. That being said a person can be powerless over sugar just an alcoholic can be powerless over alcohol. Obviously an over weight person eating sugar is not going to have detrimental life experiences that a drug or alcohol addicted person does.

It can however lead to long term problems not limited to but including diabetes, depression, obesity and very physical problems such as kidney and liver problems. (In extreme cases cirrhosis of the liver is possible just like in alcoholics). To that person they can feel like they have no control over their lives and would just like someone to help.

No they won't end up in a methadone clinic or a detox unit but they do feel like their life is out of control. I personally refer to often as a compulsion. As I stated in an earlier post learning from the lessons of physical addiction can be very helpful.

I do think some of the headlines that stories are titled with are a little overblown, but the problem is real, just not as destructive as some of the traditional addictions. There are however real brain scans that show the effects of extreme amounts of sugar indulgence to look similar to brain scans of cocaine usage. Personally I have fought the problem of compulsion my entire life and wish I could just turn it off. The answers are difficult to define and not easy to carry out but they are real, just not as deadly as drugs or alcohol.

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I used to believe stuff like this (that sugar is eight times more addictive than cocaine, etc.) but now I take statements like that with a grain of salt.

I do not believe sugar is a true addiction but my experience has been that I can eat sugar in moderation without becoming a wild-eyed addict wandering the supermarket lanes looking for a cheap fix.

I do believe a statement made by the nurse practitioner at the medical provider office I go to, though. She mentioned that sugar impacts blood pressure just as sodium does. Since my quest is to control my blood pressure, I therefor do try to keep added sugar very low.

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Processed foods are loaded with sugar

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I am a sugar addict! I finally quit and lost 16 lbs in a couple of months. Then one day I decided to have a coke (a cola) and began a raging sugar craving again. I regained 4 lbs and am ready to start my withdrawals again.

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It sure is hard to kick the habit. But it can be done.

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I don't think anyone would compare the physical withdrawal symptoms between drugs or alcohol and sugar, but I do think applying what we have learned from drugs and alcohol to different food substances has merit.

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Knowing these things (withdrawal from real drugs) is why I don't buy the sugar is worse than cocaine/heroin song and dance.

Can some people have a problem with it? Sure - just like caffeine addicts need their coffee - I get it.

But when people know true addiction, the idea is kinda laughable.







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I'm glad your daughter is doing better.

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When I was in school someone agreed to be taped during withdrawal. It was as bad as heroin withdrawal. Kept me from ever using drugs.

come to think of it. My schools favorite curriculum was Scared Straight

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I don't know about coke, but the heroin is baaaad.

He throws up, and has diarrhea for about 4-5 days. Shakes uncontrollably, sobs.

It's really, really bad.

He steals. Lies. Manipulates. Anything to get his next fix.

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The withdrawal from cocaine is horrible.

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I can't believe that. I know sugar is bad for you, but to make that statement, I just don't know.

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lol...it was a joke.

My bf's husband is a heroin addict. The withdrawal he goes through (puts himself through, really) is pretty horrific.

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When my daughter was in elementary school, we thought she had ADD or ADHD because she couldn't stay focused on her school work & would not eat her meals...took her to the DR I was SHOCKED at what the diagnosis was...SUGAR ADDICTION!!! The doc said it getting her off sugar would be like taking cigarettes away from an adult! It was a very hard 2 weeks, i could not believe how much aunts, uncles & grandparents were giving her! After about 2 VERY long weeks, she started to improve & started eating her meals again. School work got better also.

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They seriously have sugar rehabs????

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I do believe there is such a thing as sugar addiction. The general topic of the over representation of sugar in our diet especially in processed foods is very real to me. Of course just like many substances many people can eat it in moderation with no adverse effects.

I personally consider myself a sugar addict and have to avoid it as much as possible (except what comes along for the ride in veggies). I can tell you when I have a sugar craving and if I give in and feed it, the feeling of euphoria that I feel for that moment, I swear it can't be any more real if I mainlined cocaine (having never used cocaine I can't say for sure).

treating it as an addiction for the last 9 months has allowed me to eat under control much more than ever before in my life. I haven't read his book (I may yet just haven't yet) but in my experience it takes me about 18-21 days sugar free to be free of the cravings and emotional pull of it.

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lol...guess that explains the 2 Sugar rehab centers I passed on the way to the store.

You might want to check out threads in the Diet/Nutrition area, there are one or two anti sugar militants with threads on the topic you might enjoy.

As far as Dr. Oz.....words cannot even begin to describe what is so wrong with him.





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Yesterday Dr. Oz talked about the large amounts of sugars in our processed foods. It was very interesting. We need to really look closely at those all important food labels. He made a comment on the amount of sugar in purchased spaghetti sauce. I need to check the label the next time I'm at the store. I make my own spaghetti sauce and there's no sugar in mine. Only good healthy veggies!!



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On Feb 24th, on CBS This Morning, Dr. Mark Hyman, author of "Blood Sugar Solution", breaking food addiction with 10 day detox diet. He states that the recommended daily amounts of sugar for women: 6 tsp, Men: 9 tsp...Actual: 22 tsp. This book went on sale 2/25/14. This was a very interesting article, On this 10 day detox diet, the average weight loss was 7 lbs, waist size loss of 2" and hips 1.4" blood sugars went down as well as cholesterol and a variety of other problems improved such as migraines, acne, asthma, mood problems etc. This is not a calorie restricted diet, may be worth checking into...

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