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I am not so sure about what happened to this individual. When you do a google-search including terms such as "dr oz" "Stacy" "update" "death" - it seems that the only site reporting her death is *this site in this thread* by a poster with one post to their name and a request for donations. (which has now been removed)

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RECOVERYFIGHTER I read and appreciated your insight on this topic.I wish you
well with your recovery!
I was very sad to read Stacy did not make it, and I pray she has found peace!
I could not agree more that we must provide help for those who need/seek it with this,
and other disorders!




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I have read every post on this forum and I felt the need to post, even if no one sees it. I can speak from my own personal experience to many of the topics that have been discussed. I recently was discharged from treatment for an eating disorder after 6 months of treatment. I have struggled with my eating disorder since early childhood, but my situation reached a critical point last year. I was "functioning" in my life. I was working as a nurse and was alive (barely), but I was not living. I was consumed by my eating disorder and I was quite frankly, dying (though that fact is still hard for me to wrap my brain around.)

First, I would like to address the concept of having people with eating disorders "committed". I know that in some cases families have gone to court to obtain the right to make medical decisions for their adult children, though I personally have never seen this happen. However, IVYLASS is absolutely right, they have to WANT to get better in order for the help to be effective and for them to recover. I have been in treatment with adolescent girls who parents forced them to go to treatment and treatment did not work out too well for them. I am not saying their parents should not do that, as it is there legal responsibility to their minor children, but what I am saying is they usually do not respond well to LIFELONG recovery, treatment will stabilize them medically, but 9 times out of 10 they will return to treatment later in their life. This concept is the same for adult who do not want to recover. I think each one of us with an eating disorder wants to stop living our life the way we have been and yes to some degree rational decision making is compromised, but eating disorders are tricky diseases. They trick you into believing that you do not need or deserve help and they trap you in fear. So it usually takes hitting rock bottom before one is able to say "This is going to kill me and I want MY life back!", but even the decision to go to treatment is not enough. Is HARD work, by far the hardest thing I have ever done, and NO ONE can do it for you. Sure there are tons of people supporting you in treatment and offering insight, but even with all the support, tools, staff, etc in the world, the real work that leads to lifelong recovery come from within YOU.

To SHERYLDS I say this, "committing" people with eating disorders would likely to more harm than good, but I do agree with you in the sense that it is unfair that people with eating disorders are killing themselves without receiving help. However, the answer is not in "committing" them against their will. I believe the answer is in providing proper insurance coverage for people with eating disorders so that those who are ready and WANT help can receive it. Coverage for EDs is few and far between and treatment is so expensive. My family has spent around $50,000+ out of pocket for my treatment because insurance did not cover one penny. So, many times people who need help, want help, and are terribly ill cannot get the help they need due to finances. I know for me, I wanted to go to treatment years ago as I feared for my life, but it just was not an option financially. I am so grateful my family was in a position to get me the help I so desperately needed and WANTED. However, if they had not been in a position to do that, they would have had to quite literally watch me die. It angers me to my core the lack of accessibility to treatment for people with eating disorders and THAT is where I truly believe the real issue lies.

As for throwing "shame" around on the family or even the woman seen on the show, that just is not helpful or productive. Through my recovery I have come to realize that in the depths of my disorder my family could not say or do anything right. I was not myself, I isolated, I pushed them away, and they witnessed many behaviors that were painful to watch. I think that sometimes families have to set boundaries to protect themselves especially if they have exhausted numerous resources to help their loved one. They likely feel helpless to them and quite honestly they probably are until their loved one seeks help for THEMSELVES.

As for the woman on the show. My heart breaks for her and her family. Hearing of her death greatly affected me for reasons I will not mention here. Leave it to say, this disease is powerful and lethal and has the ability to consume the most brilliant and beautiful women and blind them from seeing their brilliance, beauty, and worth. It has the ability to strip the strongest women of everything in their lives. It takes and takes until there is nothing left. It truly breaks my heart that this disease has taken so much from so many people and has left them for dead, or so miserable that the only solution they see is to take their own life. I wish her family all the best during this difficult time.

I am sorry about the lengthy post, but I felt the need to share my experience and insight on this subject. I am becoming increasingly passionate about awareness for eating disorders and the lack of accessibility to treatment for those who need it.

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So very sad. There is no easy answer for most eating disorders.

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I will pray for her.



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That she agreed to appear on Dr. Oz's show and accepting help from an eating disorder specialist shows that she WANTS to get better. This is a huge first step and the hardest one for many anorexics. I wish her all the best.



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I wonder if the woman is still alive.. I DID see that woman on tv.. At that point, it was a matter of time before she started seizing, renal failure, atrial fib,etc. Basically, she has the constitution of an ox to still be alive for an extended period..
Remember the pics of the starving people in different countries in Africa, POW's in concentration camps,etc? They too, were skin and bones,, hung on as long as they could..
wonder if there is a follow up by now from Dr. Oz?

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Prayers won't help this woman but an intensive therapy program for people with eating disorders might be a good start.

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Was she on the Dr. Oz show? Remember Karen Carpenter? Lovely singer who died
from being an anorexic.


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She continues to be in my prayers!!!

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I'm certainly praying!

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She has constitutional rights under the law in America.

If her condition is impacting others, then she could be committed.

It's as simple as that ... but also as complicated.


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Unfortunately, all organs are shutting down bit by bit and at that weight, she more than likely wont recover......too much weight lost.



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Hunter shame on you!!!! Princess Ana would be so disappointed emoticon



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As a teen I was anorexic, did NOT want help nor attention. Most people with anorexia want to be left to their own devices until they reach a crisis point. I'm sure the lady on the Dr. Oz show wants help on some level; she is fighting a war in her head.

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She will be in my prayers


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If she was on that show and doesn't want to get any help she's probably doing it for attention.



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The drowning scenario doesn't apply. That's a physical situation where a person cannot control their body's panic reaction to lack of oxygen. Of course you help someone who is helpless. This woman is not helpless.

You are presuming you know what is best for this person. No one said anorexics were crazy. They do suffer from a mental disorder where they cannot view themselves realistically. But lots of people do things that are dangerous to themselves. Should we lock up young men who join the military? Are they irrational because they are deliberately putting themselves in harm's way?

Bottom line, you cannot force someone to accept help. The help will not stick. I saw the 30 second clip teasing the show and it was horrifying. I fear this woman has done long term damage to her body and may never fully recover. But to presume we know what is best for her is the height of arrogance. All anyone can do is offer her counseling and help. If she says no, then she should not be forced. It's sad, but ultimately we are responsible for our own choices.

You can do whatever you want. You just have to accept the consequences.

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I guess I just see extreme anorexia, extreme drug or extreme alcohol abuse, or extreme morbid obesity where a person can’t even get out of bed…as impaired judgement and in need of medical care intervention. I am Uncomfortable with the idea that we should just let these people die. I don’t understand the idea that we should just allow them the freedom to kill themselves when we have the medical ability to treat them. There comes a point when you Know that the person isn’t capable about making rational decisions about their health. When you look at this woman and even her family could not get her to go for help…how can you think her mental health wasn’t impaired? If someone is drowning and you throw them a lifesaver and they don’t grab for it…you jump in and try to save them…you don’t just stand there and say “too bad, if only they had grabbed on”

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In severe anorexia a person's brain will shrink and this can affect the ability to think rationally, in some cases. I'm not saying we should lock up everyone who is sick but people can be legally committed if they are a danger to themselves, or are unable to care for themselves on their own. It's a difficult call to make but proper nutrition can turn people's minds around as well as their bodies.

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Shall we lock away obese people and ration their food, lock away anorexics and install feeding tubes, lock away all the smokers (especially the ones who have emphysema and are on oxygen but continue to smoke), lock away all the drug users, the alcoholics who are slowly killing themselves, the people who have diabetes but don't follow the prescribed diet or who fail to take their pills or insulin as directed or don't exercise as directed, all the people who have high cholesterol but who don't lose weight, the people who have high blood pressure who don't lower their salt intake/lose weight/exercise and/or take their pills, etc? How many institutions should we open so we can lock all these people up and force them to do what we want them to do? Or, should we just accept that it's a person's right to do what they want with their own body so long as they aren't harming someone else and understand the potential consequences of their actions?



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Who determines what is rational thought? If I don't see things the way YOU see things am I to be considered irrational?

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I remember watching Tracy Gold go through this although she was very thin even she wasn't 56 lbs, I prayed for that poor girl then and she did recover and is happily married and has beautiful children. I wish this kind of success for Stacy and my prayers will continue for her. It was very sad when Karen Carpenter passed from this, hopefully Stacy will get the help she needs now.
Thanks for your prayers for this woman

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:-/ She's not crazy, Anorexics aren't crazy... she's able to make her own decisions.... you can't just lock her up because she's "abusing her body". In that case why don't obese people get locked away too? or people who smoke or drink? Following your logic, that would be a form of "suicide" too.

Forcing her to eat would just make it worse, it's not that simple...


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Deep inside, they ALL want to get better. Do you think these people like living that kind of life? Inside they are screaming for help. But many of them are afraid to ask for help or they don't know where to turn.

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I am not saying society should sit by and watch the mentally ill self-destruct. The help is there. If she chooses not to avail herself of it, the resources are better spent helping those who WANT to get better.

This is an incredibly sad situation. I hope she wants to get better.

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How do we decide that an anorexia is capable of making decisions and understanding the consequences of those decisions, when they are making the irrational decision not to eat which they need to survive. And if they Are capable of 'understanding' the consequence of starving themselves to death...it's a form of suicide. So society is just suppose to sit back and watch...because it's their basic right to commit suicide if they so choose? And really...this goes for any mental/physical illness that impairs a person's judgement.

you are right...it is sad.

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I'm going to have to agree with Sheryl on this one.

Those saying "it has to be her decision" have the right idea and all, but let's compare an anorexic, who has abused their body for years and years, to a drug addict, if you will. A drug addict, obviously, needs professional help to overcome their addiction. However, you can't 'trust' a drug addict to know when it's time to call it quits and seek that help. Many drug addicts, just like anorexics, die from their addiction. Now, that doesn't mean that help was never offered. It's possible they went through therapy and treatment and it just didn't work out.

But having personal experience with starving oneself, it's not something you can just wake up and decide one day that it's something you need to conquer. With some things, yes, it has to be the individual's decision to want to change. But with anorexia - like drug addiction - it's quite possible that intervention is needed. When you're that far gone, saying "Oh, well, it has to be her decision to change" isn't enough. These people are dying. They're not trying to quit smoking or lose a few pounds of excess weight.

If someone doesn't step in to help them, they may never *get* the help they need.

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In most states, some one can only be forced into treatment if they are a danger to self or others or unable to provide for their own needs due to mental defect or disease.
Anorexia doesn't fall into that category as the person with anorexia is capable of making decisions and understanding the consequences of those decisions.

We do not trust "THEM" to make decisions for those who need help. We do not believe that we should hospitalize the schizophrenics who live under bridges or the bag lady who talks to the lamppost or the anorexic or the other mentally ill people who need help. We closed the state hospitals and failed to build the non hospital resources that would help them survive.

We are all so independent and do not want "THEM" to tell us what to do. We want to believe that the guy under the bridge is happier there then in a state hospital and that the anorexic is happier starving to death then in a hospital receiving treatment.

I did a clinical rotation at a state hospital and went into the group homes of the mentally ill. The homes were clean, the food good, everyone had a job to go to and a safe place to sleep. But they had to take their meds. And the group homes were closed because we were violating their rights.

It is all so very sad.




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I'm curious...if anorexia is a form of mental and physical illness, and the person is starving themselves and starving their brains as well, and may not be thinking rationally because of it, how do you make them responsible for the decision to seek help?

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Very sad



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I really feel it is inhumane for anyone to shame this woman OR her family.

She is seriously, and in a life-threatening way, ill, and she is in desperate need of intensive help.

I wish all the best for her and for her recovery.



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So so sad. :-(

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The lady is being self-destructive but I won't judge her. Anorexia is a mental illness. She is getting help, that's the important thing. I will pray for her.

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This is very sad to hear but she has to want to help herself. They cannot lock her up and force feed her and sometimes as I learned in medical school, the damage is already been done even after they go get help. A professor of mine told our class of a good friend of hers that had Anorexia and after years of suffering from this condition, she finally stopped and got help but she still succumbed to the illness. It's so very sad, the most you can do is offer support and prayers for someone struggling with this. I pray she gets the help she needs before its too late. emoticon

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We can only pray for someone in this condition.

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@JANIEWWJD, don't be so quick to say shame on her family for not sticking by her. They are there for her...when she's ready to heal. There's nothing they can do for her and believe me, it has been painful for them!

I'm watching a friend of mine commit slow suicide (by alcohol). For 10 years I have been there for her and have done everything I can to help her. Her family is done with her also, but every time she goes into treatment (she has been in treatment 11 times now) her friends and family rally around her and support her. We love her...but we can't help her anymore until she's ready to finally help herself.

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I disagree. Anorexia is a medical illness. Since she is not harming others no one can force her to get medical care. All her friends and family can do is encourage her to get help. Committing her against her will is pointless.

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Wow, it certainly was very sad to watch!!! I hope and pray that this woman gets the help she needs. Shame on her family and husband for not sticking by her when she really needs them; whether she realizes it or not!!!! May God help her!!!!

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It is what it is... lets just pray for her. Miracles do happen with prayer



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This is very sad! I hope she's able to get well. Maybe being on the Dr Oz show was a first step for her.

I have to agree with you IVYLASS. The decision to get well has to be hers. She's an adult and as an adult she has the right to make bad choices, even if they ultimately kill her.

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A person who wants something WILL find a way....a person who doesn't will find an excuse.

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Her illness is heartbreaking and very sad. I hope and pray she pulls through and starts to nourish her body with what it needs.

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IVYLASS that isn't a valid comparison....there is a huge difference between medical disease and this type of self destruction.
If having the authorities involved could help save someone's life by forcing them to get care...then yes. If a person isn't suffering from a terminal disease and exhibits the extreme side of anorexia, or extreme morbid obesity, extreme drug, or alcohol use...then yes, I think intervention is needed to force them into getting medical care. I would want to hospitalize someone who isn't capable of rational decisions and isn't getting help from their families.

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You really want the "authorities" to be in charge of deciding who is needs to be locked away and who isn't? What if they decide a child with Down Syndrome who acts up in school needs to be institutionalized?

Yes, this woman is desperately ill. She is getting the help she needs. But ultimately, the only one who can fix her is her. She has to want it. I find it a horrible tragedy but taking away her freedom is the worst thing you can do to an anorexic. She already feels like she has no control. Why do you think she's controlling the one thing she can, her food intake?

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I don't understand why families of extreme anorexics or the extreme morbidly obese don't just have them committed. In both extreme cases they are doing bodily harm to themselves. And it's a form of suicide...don't the authorities have the right to take them into custody and give them medical help?

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yes it was heart breaking to watch

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I googled the episode, and finally found it - well the 30 second clip advertising what will be available on the internet tomorrow. That poor lady is so very sick and definitely needs all our prayers if she is to make it though and come out the other side.

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Yes I saw that show today. That poor woman really does need our prayer. She is in such bad shape I don't know if she will live long enough to recover. She had destroyed her body. Her heart is in bad shape. Poor thing could barely speak. She really does need our prayers for GOD to intervene in her behalf and help her to recover and learn how to overcome this terrible disease.

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I watched Dr Oz today and I can honestly say I've never seen him so scared for someone in all the years I've tuned in as he was today.
This beautiful young woman Stacy was brave enough to go on the show, he said he wasn't even sure she'd be alive to do the taping this is how bad off she is weighing in at 56.2 lbs... I've seen shows with anorexic women before never to this extreme it was unbelieveable that this woman was even alive.
Her heart rate was 48 her bp 90/50 and her hands were so cold they couldn't even get an oxygen reading on her. It showed her in a bra and undies and it was horrific, I sat there crying for a person I don't know and praying that she can somehow reverse what has been done to her body.
She said she had a wonderful husband but he had to leave because he loved her so much he couldn't watch her killing herself, her family no longer bothers with her and my heart just broke for her.
It showed pictures of her in college OMG she was gorgeous! Sitting with Dr Oz you could see it was just flesh over bones he was afraid to touch her and had to use a pediatric cuff to take her blood pressure.
I know we all want to lose weight, but we have to make sure we do it in a healthy way. I guess I'm writing about this woman so people can send prayers her way so that she can get better and put some weight on.
Dr Oz did have a counselor on and she's going to a clinic and he said I'm afraid for you I hope that I will see you again, he told her without help he didn't think she'd be around a month from now ...
Please keep this woman in your prayers....

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