PETALIA: Thank you for your nice comments about my post! Yes - B12 is a bacteria found in soil.
Our ancestors - many of whom were accidental vegans just because meat was a "luxury" for the rich, and hard to come by - got their B12 literally from eating dirt on root vegetables. It sounds a little gross to our modern sensibilities, but a Medieval peasant wouldn't be likely to have had the excess water, tools or wherewithal to wash and peel carrots, potatoes, turnips, et al before eating them. The B12 in "meat" is literally recycled B12. Those animals that are being eaten got it from the ground.
Anyway I got really into finding out all this stuff about vegan nutrition when I first went vegan because I was convinced that this is the natural way we should eat. I was able to learn enough (to convince myself, at least!) that this is true!
Just to add to my previous, post re gluten free eating, that in order to have the test for celiac disease, it is necessary to be eating gluten for a period of time, so it's a good idea to check with your health care provider before eliminating gluten from the diet.
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GARDYLOO, I enjoyed your post immensely. I, too, eat a vegan diet, a great deal of which is raw. I, too, don't eat gluten, not due to a sensitivity but because I wanted to control my grain, especially wheat, consumption. One thing your post made me ponder and then do a little googling about, was the B12 issue. I take a sub-lingual B 12 once a week. I've heard it's not animals but rather the soil itself which has the B 12. We rely on a bacteria in animals to allow us access to the B 12 (I think). So, if we eat plants which were grown in soil that was fertilized with manure we might get access to the B 12. But I'm not sure about that. Bottom line, we don't need to eat animals in the 21st century to get B 12. There are vitamins and possibly plants grown in manure fertilized soil itself could possibly do the trick. Thanks for your wonderful post.
I'm a longtime ethical vegan, recently having switched to a 100% raw diet which is of course naturally gluten free. I don't have a gluten intolerance per se, but I do have a gluten addiction, so I totally cut those things out of my diet in order to get my weight under control.
I thought it would be difficult, but I must say I'm finding it surprisingly easy to eat this way. The food is delicious and apart from tracking what I eat for my own peace of mind, I'm not having to control portions or count anything. Basically the bulk of what I eat are fresh raw fruits and vegetables with about 10-20% of my diet consisting of raw seeds and nuts. And I'm consistantly losing weight and feeling amazing.
Contrary to myths that non-vegans have about the vegan diet, when done the right way this is the healthiest way to eat. And since protein is in everything - yes, even in fruit -I find that I more often than not exceed my protein requirements on any given day.
If what you're aiming to eat is a more "cooked" vegan diet that is gluten free, that's incredibly easy! Of course fresh fruits and vegetables should always make up a large percentage of what you eat, and including a variety of beans and wild rices in your diet is good as well.
If you are worried about your iron levels and/or B12 levels, take a multi-vitamin. Although a well balanced vegan diet will give you all the iron you need, some people - meat eaters included - have trouble absorbing iron and need supplements.
As to the B12, if you are growing your own root vegetables and occasionally eating them without anything more than a cursory rinse, that should give you all the B12 that you need. As that probably isn't the case with most people in this day and age, a vitamin pill couldn't hurt! But it's good to know that despite all the scare-mongering out there about B12, we only need trace amounts of it and a deficiency takes literally decades to show up, so chances are you'll be OK. ;)
Here's a good vegan recipe site to visit: www.theppk.com - also they have a page here on Spark - "The Post Punk Kitchen".
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Yes, I am vegan and gluten, corn, sugar, egg, soy, MSG, free and some people say "what can you eat?" Well for starters fruit and veggies including beans. Yes I do take supplements, a good multi vit, flaked yeast (for B vits) extra garlic and if I am going out garlic tabs, ginger vit C, and if you have special needs like heart, eyes, arthritis etc, find out what suits your body best. C Almost forgot peanut free, but eat other nuts and seeds too. The grains I eat, when I do, include quinoa, brown rice, millet and buckwheat. I am still struggling with weight, a very easy keeper, hypothyroid so start gaining again if I am not very careful.
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OP: I eat gluten free for medical reasons, although I love the gluten free lifestyle so much and feel so good on it that I'd do it without the doctor's approval if he didn't approve. It is a very healthy way of life, in my opinion, and quite easy to implement.
I was also an ovo lacto vegetarian for many decades of my life but never did vegan and now do eat some meat.
I personally see no reason not to do gluten free and vegan at the same time if that is a path that appeals to you.
You never have to ask permission of the world to eat and live the way you choose (unless you want to rob a bank or something lol).
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I hope this does not offend anyone but unless your doctor has identified a real issue where you need to avoid gluten, the hype about this is ridiculous and counterproductive since you unnecessarily avoid a lot of natural food that is very nutritious, tasty and satisfying. As for Vegan lifestyle, it is not for me, but I would suggest if you want to do that, that you not also do "gluten free" unless there is really a defined medical need for it.
start checking out cookbooks from the library. i know veganomicon has labels for their gluten free recipes and i feel like it's not that uncommon. beyond that you'll have to check recipes, but they do exist.
I am a vegetarian with was vegan, yet going gluten free for medical issues has me eating some dairy and even a little fish because it's hard to find. I am on the road often have to eat out, have a family and it is hard but doable. Been at it a 5 months now and will take the inconvenience over the health issues any day.
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Not sure, but I have a friend who is allergic to dairy, eggs, wheat, corn, soy, peanuts, legumes, and tree nuts. He was also vegetarian due to religious convictions (and was raised this way).
He lives! I'm not sure if he takes supplements or not, but obviously has to be very intentional about his diet. He basically lives on rice, seeds, beans, fruits, and vegetables. For breakfast everyday, he has rice crackers with sun nut butter and jam. For lunch and dinner, he eats rice with a bean and vegetable stew every single day. He varies the vegetables and the spices to give it more variety. For snacks, he eats raw fruits and vegetables and seeds. He's never experienced anything different, so it's just normal life for him.
Consider having lab tests to determine if you are really gluten intolerant. If you are then they can recommend a dietician and a healthy diet. If you go gluten free before testing it can give you false negative results. If gluten is okay for you then you can choose which diet is more important to you.
I don't eat gluten or any grains for that matter, most of the time. I don't eat any animal products. I do eat loads of fresh vegetables, some fruit, seeds, nuts, sprouts of many kinds, fermented foods, chia seeds, hemp seeds, hemp powder, flax meal, spirulina, olive and coconut oils, ... I only eat a small amount of legumes. I must say my fridge is always stuffed with leafy greens and other fresh produce. SP is great for helping me keep track of macronutrients. I feel energetic and healthy. Supplements - I wish I could get everything from whole foods, but...I take vitamin D every day, a multi (with lots of Bs) and a probiotic every other day. I practice hot yoga 6x a week, sweat buckets, and supplement some minerals/electrolytes. I recently had labs done and all was well.
It's hard to do both. Unless you have a really deep moral conviction against using things that animals produce, I would recommend working on the gluten-free aspect for now, since that's vital to your health. Once you've figured out a balanced gluten-free diet and you're feeling well on that, you can try slowly removing dairy and eggs and such.
All vegans, gluten-free or not, need a source of B vitamins, especially B-12. B-12 comes from animal products, and most humans can't live without at least a little. Brewer's yeast is a natural source, but most vegans take a supplement.
It doesn't take a lot of milk, eggs, or other dairy to get those vitamins, so maybe you could find a "cruelty-free" way. An awful lot of people are raising chickens now, so ask around to see if anybody in your neighborhood is selling eggs.
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