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Just started but not losing. I think I have a fructose intolerance so fruit is making me bloated and not losing. And it is such a good fruit time. :( However, will start Virgin more in earnest on Monday.

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I just finished the 21 days on this way of eating, and I lost 11 lbs! I did a Whole30 a few months ago, but I kept eggs (bc they're cheap), and I only lost 2 lbs. After seeing how quickly and easily I'm losing weight, I will never eat eggs again! With the Virgin Diet, I've had 1 glass of wine in the past 21 days, rice, rice noodles, and dark chocolate, and still lost 11 lbs! I will eat this way forever. I'm actually scared to test my food sensitivity...I may test corn after I have lost all the weight. I don't feel deprived AT ALL, or hungry! A big win!

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Thank you, chubbynomore, for that very informative post. The more I read about our gov't choices regarding best practices and nutrition the more frustrated I become. This diet is based on a healthy balance plate --3 meals a day of appx 500 nutrient dense calories. There is nothing crazy restrictive about that. Dairy, gluten eggs peanut are all known to cause problems ...that's why allergists have jobs. You can have sensitivity and inflammation from food without having a full blown allergy.
The Virgin Diet book doesn't really give any new earth shattering magical information, but it does provide a concise plan. read Gary Taube's or Micheal Pollan's books if you don't believe JJ. Virgin (because someone who has spent the last 10 years researching holistic nutrition doesn't have good enough credentials for you)
If you are someone who exercises regularly and counts calories and still seems to loose weight incredibly slowly despite eating "healthy" this could really knock down the wall. If you are suffering from joint pain or IBS this book is worth looking into.
BTW the shakes are optional you could have another 500 calorie meal as long as it has 4-6oz of lean protein 1/2 cup of beans or rice a healthy portion of veggies and some healthy fat. This book incorporates many of the habits that Sparkpeople advocates this book is one of the reasons I joined Sparkpeople again. This book advocates journaling, adequate exercise water intake and sleep. This book is in no way harmful to anyone.

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My mom talked about her and I decided to watch her on PBS. Interesting because 5 of the 7 are things I eliminated on my own several years ago. I did my own research and testing since most of my doctors weren't listening to my thoughts. Unfortunately, I allowed some of those things to creep back into my diet and I got sick again. I also gained some of my weight back! But after surgeries and powerful medications, I got fed up with the "conventional wisdom" of my medical team. I started right back doing what worked for me before. Things are going well and when I suffer a flare, its minor. I have been journaling daily to keep an eye on any other sneaky triggers. Whether Ms. Virgin is "registered", "certified" or a doctorate of this or that, I don't care! Some of the best advice I have ever gotten was from my grandmother and a shaman. So we just never know...

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To SVELTE4LIFE. Have you been tested for celiac disease or non gluten sensitivity? Simple blood tests. My mom had colon cancer. She was never tested, but also had celiac symptoms and dairy intolerance, which usually goes hand in hand. I have it and my son tested positive for it too. Your story prompted me to write. It's worth ruling out just in case. Good website is. http://celiac.org/. It'll give you info on symptoms, etc; although some people have no symptoms at all.

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Good luck with that, Terri. For me, I have found that fasting is a very temporary way to lose weight and it doesn't stay off as you are depriving your body of food it needs to function - and when you start eating normally again, it will come back and even more. Every time I have done a rigid diet, the weight has come back with an additional 10-20 lbs. I lost 110 lbs. in nine months on a diet when I was in my 50's, and the following nine months, I had gained it all back plus another 20. So, all I want to do is stay pain-free and listen to my body about what it wants and needs. If you don't have a food allergy, and you are eating sensibly, the weight should slowly drop off. I wish you the best. Every body is different and responds differently. This is just how my body acts.

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Kathleen, I'm so glad you discovered, whether it be through this diet or any other means, that you have what sounds like a pretty severe reaction to soy. Congratulations on your weight loss!

What works, works...and I'm glad you chanced upon this solution to what sounds like a severe, really agonizing problem. Wishing you many pain-free days ahead..



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I am doing a Daniel Fast right now, which is a vegan diet. It lasts 21 days, or longer in my case. I find I lose a good bit of weight while fasting, so I wonder if it's partly because my body is no longer ingesting something that it doesn't tolerate well. Haven't decided if it's just a natural part of eliminating animal products & sugar, or something else.

I'm just not giving up on me. I will never stop trying to be healthy, no matter my failures and shortcomings.



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1/10/14 8:52 P

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Thank you for this information. It is not a diet for someone who just wants to lose weight and doesn't have a food intolerance problem, but is for someone who knows there is a problem and mostly wants to identify it and then learn how to eat to deal with it. That's the only reason I am following it. My doctor told me I am soy intolerant, and since I have stopped using it, I am losing weight and I feel so much better. I have a couple other sensitivities, but nothing like the soy problem. I have lost about 5 lbs - I am 77 years old and have had this intolerance for almost 40 years but wasn't aware until my body became so painful that I could barely walk. Since I have cut out soy, almost all the pain is gone, and if I eat something that even has a smidgen of soy, the pain comes back big time for a day or so until my body gets rid of it. But like you say, it is not a diet for someone with no allergies who just wants to lose as it won't happen. In my case, the soy caused my body to really blow up to over 300 lbs and nothing I could do would make it lose - until I cut out soy. I am down about 5 lbs in 2 weeks - not much, but every little bit helps - I finally feel like I can walk again without wanting to collapse in pain. She may not be a dietitian, but she knows about how to handle this situation. Even my MD's had no idea what was going on with me and other than a sonogram which showed nothing, they didn't even pursue it. Only my chiropractor figured it out, and once he did and I got the soy out of my body, it's like being reborn.

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1/10/14 8:40 P

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I wish people well with this program, but you might want to take a look at this article from the very reputable Medpage Today: www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/celebritydiagno
sis/36896


Ms. Virgin is not a registered dietitian but rather someone who has taken an eclectic mix of coursework from a variety of non-traditional institutions.



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Here here! Very eloquent and well put! I am just considering starting this diet as I saw a public television special on it. I am doing the research now, hence found this group. I feel the same way about 'cure' vs 'treat' and really just go to my Dr. because I like him and trust him and gives me diagnoses which I can then go research various 'cures'.

I know so many people who have really changed their lives for the better by eliminating particular food groups and this seems like a journey of discovery to figure out what my individual sensitivities may be. I went on a high protein, low carb diet last winter (The Ideal Protein diet) and felt GREAT. I lost a lot of weight, but it just wasn't sustainable--too calorie restricted and all the soy in it triggered some other problems related to estrogen. I was thinking that I felt so great because of all the veggies I ate--but then I have been thinking lately that maybe it was what WASN"T included in the diet that made me feel so good--no gluten, no nuts, no sugar, etc. So the Virgin diet I think can help me find that out for sure.

Thanks for a very inspiring and informative post!

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4th day on the program. I felt fantastic yesterday, but today am feeling a little sluggish. I went to the health food store and got some hemp protein drink and some cashew milk - can't do either almond or coconut as they don't agree with me. Then to the market for some quinoa that I now have to figure out what to do with - probably treat it like rice. I don't eat red meat, but do eat chicken, fish and poultry so picked up a big package of frozen chicken breasts. I always put blueberries and flaxseeds in my morning oatmeal, but found out it has gluten so will have to find the kind without the gluten. Amazon has it but it takes a few days to get it shipped and it is a bit more expensive than the Red Mill kind I am now getting. I am going to have to start shopping at Whole Foods again - I've averted them due to the prices, but I have to put my diet as top priority. I live alone so have no one else to feed other than my dog, and he is diabetic so can't eat any of my food. I lost 3 lbs the first day, but gained a pound back yesterday - but that pound came off today so I am doing something right.

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12/31/13 11:20 A

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Glad you found it at Amazon. $12 is a GREAT price!! Thanks for the info. Don't know if you are near a Sam's or are a member, but I found American Grown organic raspberries there and I think they are $4.99 for a 12 ounce flat. Not long ago they were on sale for $2.99 a flat. I put them in my shakes (high fiber lower carb among fruits). I just wash them, put them on a baking sheet lined with parchment paper, and freeze them, then toss them in a freezer bag til time to use. Walmart now has organic celery hearts,organic broccoli, organic baby greens mix, and organic spinach. Aldi has organic grape tomatoes and organic apples. All of these are cheaper at these stores than elsewhere. I bought grass fed beef at Whole Foods and it doesn't even begin to look like the meat in my local stores. It even tastes denser. Honestly, there wasn't hardly any difference in price per pound, either.
Hope your cravings stay under control. This is day 14.for me and my hubby eats things that I love but that don't love me, but he is considerate and doesn't put them right under my nose, lol. This morning before the shake I had a little "twinge" when I saw something that I love but can't have, but had the shake and then looked at it again, and it didn't move me.

At 144 I will be within my acceptable weight range, and no longer "overweight."

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Great idea about the notebook. Just have to get myself organized. I have the shake coming in from Amazon on subscription, but the first can doesn't come until the 17th, so I have to get another can locally to last until that can comes in. I got the stuff for about $12 so that should save me a few $$. I started tossing freezer stuff - I knew I wouldn't eat it, and when I checked the ingredients, it had to go - between sugar, cheese, corn and soy, no way can I keep stuff like that any more. As long as I don't get cravings, I can deal with a limited diet. and so far, so good.

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12/29/13 12:40 P

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KROSMON...My copy is kindle, too. I read it and took notes in a notebook, then put small sticky notes on the outer edges like tabs saying, for example, "shake recipe", "water schedule" and "serving of nuts", so I can find them easily. The protein powder is a little pricey, but it is lasting a long time. I found Now Sports Pea Protein (that fits the bill) at Whole Foods and it is about $26 for 2 pounds, which is about half gone after 12 days, but the first week I was having 2 shakes a day and now am only having one, so that is not too bad, I don't think. But you can buy the same thing online for about $17 with free shipping with orders over $49 at Lucky Vitamin. After the first week you can have 1 shake a day or 2, as you prefer. I think this container will last at least another week, which means that for 1 shake a day, it will probably last a month. I spent a lot more than that on junk food in a month.
Good luck and I hope you feel as good as I do very soon. By the way, I am 60.

At 144 I will be within my acceptable weight range, and no longer "overweight."

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12/29/13 12:19 P

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informative discussion, thanks

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This is my second day on the program - I am still finding foods to throw away. My holistic doctor told me I am really allergic to soy, which is in everything. So, I ran into a neighbor who has a bad allergy with corn and she told me about the book. I downloaded it into Kindle when I got home and started the program yesterday. I have already lost 3 lbs. I have 150 or more pounds to lose and am 77 years young so I know my metabolism is not what it used to be. But today, other than the mush in the head, I know I am on the right path. I cannot afford the products but will follow the book to the best of my ability - today, I want to go get some of the pea protein powder she talks about. I have already felt less food cravings, and other than pains in my hip, I feel much better. All I really wish is that I had a hard copy of the book - too hard to go back and forth in the Kindle app to find the info I want to follow.

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CHUBBYNOMORE3 - That's awesome! Your success is an inspiration. I too have learned that listening to my body is an invaluable tool.




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12/28/13 11:41 P

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Ok I promise this is my last comment..... at least for now.
Number 1: I didn't "fatten JJ's Wallet". I got the kindle version of her book for $11.99 and haven't bought a single one of her products, nor do I intend to.
Number 2: Unlike the naysayers, I have done this....followed it to a T....for 11 days and I feel like a million bucks. Try it, and truly follow it....drink the amount of water when you are supposed to, eat the amount of fiber that it requires, get the sleep it tells you that you need, and eliminate ALL of the 7 things (read labels and do research to make sure you aren't eating anything you shouldn't) then tell me what you think, because I know how I feel and that most people are probably sensitive to at least one of the 6 things (other thansugar) that you give up. Otherwise, please don't bash something that you know nothing about. I wouldn't be commenting at all if I weren't right in the middle of the first 3 weeks and know whereof I speak.
Number 3: the "medical/scientific" community has brought us all kinds of erroneous information in the last 50 years. It took them 70 years to actually put the cigarette warning on the pack, lol. The food pyramid that they taught me in school is the same formula they used in hog feed to fatten them up. The FDA apparently thinks that it is ok to genetically modify corn and soy (and about 90% of the corn is modified now and they don't even have to list it on the package) to put the pesticides inside them so the insects won't eat them...but WE do. How is that good? And milk....we are the only animal that drinks milk as an adult. We weren't made to drink milk after weaning. And the naturally occurring hormones in milk were put there by God in order for the calves to grow up to be big, fat, cows. Is that what you want? There are coconut yogurts, coconut milk, rice milk, almond milk, and they are all delicious....why have cow's milk?
Number 4: JJ says that if there is one of those food eliminations that you don't think you can do...that is probably the very thing that you are sensitive to...you crave the things you are sensitive to.
Number 5: Doctors don't want to "heal" you they want to "treat" you. My doctor doesn't say anything about losing weight or healthy eating, just wants to give me a pill to take for the rest of my life...for instance.....I was insulin resistant and she wanted to give me a pill to make me more sensitive and then I could eat whatever I want, and then he could raise the dose, until I had diabetes and have to go on insulin.....So I went on a low carb diet and lost 52 pounds...and when I told my doctor how I did it and that my fasting blood sugar went from 116 to 98 in 3 days, she was amazed! It is much lower than that now. When they tell you that you "need grains" and can't get proper nutrition without them...they are giving you the info that they have, sadly, and what they have been told for years. I eat beans and quinoa, amaranth, can have buckwheat, and use almond flour to make pumpkin pancakes, lol. Eating like a queen.
Number 6: My body is a research lab. I learned to listen to it years ago and now that I see how I feel and the energy that I have, telling me that this might not be a good way to eat is falling on deaf ears. My eyes are brighter, I look younger, am contemplating working my way up to a 5K run, and my mood has really improved.

Don't discourage anyone from eating healthy.

At 144 I will be within my acceptable weight range, and no longer "overweight."

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12/28/13 10:52 P

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Brewerfan71 I hear you. I got off pork about 6 months ago and you should have heard my "friends" and family! "But bacon is so good...." and I answer, "I didn't say it wasn't good...I said I don't eat it." And I felt a lot better for it. Stick to your guns. Haven't you ever heard, Misery loves company? They even eat things in front of me that they think bother me. Surprise! If I wanted them I would eat them, but I don't even want them anymore. I can dip ice cream, which used to be my favorite, and not lick my fingers now, lolololol. Just do what it takes to make yourself healthy and feel the best you can. Good luck.

Edited by: CHUBBYNOMORE3 at: 12/28/2013 (22:53)
At 144 I will be within my acceptable weight range, and no longer "overweight."

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"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined."
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I have removed the 7 foods from my diet completely and this is my 11th day. I know that I have food sensitivities and had virtually eliminated corn, dairy, and sugar and artificial sweeteners already, so that leaves eggs, soy, gluten, and peanuts. I have lost 5 pounds, a rash that was on my face and back is gone, and if I ever felt better in my 60 years, I don't remember it! I intend to go the rest of the 21 days and then follow her guidelines to see what foods bother me. Just because I will find out doesn't mean that I will allow any of them back into my diet for the rest of my life. The food I am eating is so good and I feel so good, I could definitely eat this way the rest of my life!! For the first time in my life I am eating more than 1200 calories a day, not being hungry, and feeling like a million bucks (and, of course, losing weight!!!) ! I am sleeping like a log now, too. The Virgin Diet has a big OK from me!

After reading a few posts, please don't listen to the scoffers. I haven't bought any of her products and I haven't done any exercise so far...and still am having 1300-1500 calories a day and losing weight. My metabolism is roaring...but you HAVE to follow her program. Make sure you aren't eating any of those 7 items in anything, eat the correct amount of fiber and drink the right amount of water at the right times....get your sleep and it will work. I don't condone not exercising, and I am beginning tomorrow, but if I begin to feel better than I do now and have more energy, I'll jump right out of my skin.

Edited by: CHUBBYNOMORE3 at: 12/28/2013 (22:46)
At 144 I will be within my acceptable weight range, and no longer "overweight."

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"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined."
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I never heard of it.



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Actually, when I discussed this with my Primary Physician, she thought it was a good idea. I don't think of this as a diet, but a lifestyle change. Many years ago I did live a healthy lifestyle,diet. As I got busier with life, family, and work - I grew into increasingly bad habits with my diet.
The Virgin diet is basically getting back to whole, unprocessed foods. Taking time to eat healthy. Fruits, vegetables that are not processed and depleted of nutrients. All the while eliminating what does not agree with my system. As I mentioned before, I'm feeling much better.
I use her book as a guideline, not a bible. I combine the information along with my knowledge and common sense.
I don't buy her products or supplements. It is not necessary.
Merry Christmas to all!

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I followed the Virgin Diet to a T after Christmas last year and plan to do it again after Christmas this year. It works and I truly felt better while on it. I know that I don't do well with wheat and dairy and unfortunately I have allowed those foods, along with sugar, back into my life lately and I feel like crap as a result. You will see comments about JJ Virgin's lack of credibility because she sells her shakes, etc. But you do not have to buy her products. I found a perfectly acceptable protein powder that I used and still use several times a week. If you have her book, there are a number of tasty recipes in it that I use frequently. I didn't need to lose much weight, but lost about 10 pounds during the 21 day elimination period. I just wish I'd never stopped following the program! Good luck.

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Wanted to add that although I liked the book as far as ideas and recipes go, it is important to note that elimination diets done for medical reasons should be supervised by an individual's medical team.

Plus the fact that Ms. Virgin, while I believe she has good credentials in her field, does market her own line of shakes in the book, which lowers her credibility.

It's an interesting book to read, though.

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Just another diet, book, etc., the whiners will be on here soon enough, because it just does not SATISFY enough, same as every other plan out there for the past 6 decades!!! Money maker for somebody again though, because enough desperate people are always willing to spend money looking for MAGIC..................it ain't happening, folks. Either you eat less and do more, or admit you don't want to do that.................lifetime wise.

Plan for tomorrow, but enjoy the heck out of today.


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Dieting doesn't appeal to me in anyway. I am extremely active and basically follow a 60-30-20 carb, protein, fat ratio. This works for me based on many factors including determining my metabolic rate with a sports Nutritionalist .



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It seems pointlessly Spartan to me. Virgin's background and research are also a little on the lackluster side.



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there's plenty to eat when you've eliminated that stuff. lean meats, veggies, fruits, and so forth. but i haven't read the book...

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I have the book, although I was gluten free before I bought it.

I like the book, don't follow the diet but it gave me some interesting food for thought.

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Never heard of it


How can you know that you can't unless you have tried and failed.

Join the 10 minute challenge and get exercising.

See what you are made of by joining the 100 day challenge.

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Don't forget to make your workout fun so as not to get bored with it.

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I am on pre-virgin diet. Problem is: I take natural supplements for menopause which are soy based. Trying to get off them, then will go full out.
Doing this pre-diet for a week, I already feel better. Looking forward to be able to stop all 7 foods.
Any suggestions?

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Never heard of it. I don't really like to diet I like to eat sensibly and hopefully lose weight that way.

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Just want to throw my 2 cents in-I had not heard of this "diet" until I read this thread, but a lot of it resonates with me. A few months ago, I decided to cut out gluten from my diet to see if it helped out with some issues I had. Namely bloating & fatigue, & some bowel issues. (TMI, I know!) Full disclosure-I did not see a doctor because while these things are annoying, they aren't exactly threatening to my health, at least not to where I want to pay for tests. Also, I didn't go as far as celiacs & true allergics have to go. Some things I've learned:

-Like someone else here said, I had a "flat-feeling" stomach after going GF! Yay! I like that I can eat a normal meal & not feel like I just had a 10-course Thanksgiving dinner! You know what did that to me before? A sub sandwich. Or a PB & J.

-I did kickstart a weight loss, but I didn't do it for that-even tho I had plenty of people inform me that this wasn't a weight loss plan. (duh) I am a pretty educated person who did research this-I do realize that the weight loss had more to do with eliminating certain foods rather than finding a "magic pill."

-I do not tell anyone I am GF unless it comes up; I'd rather not explain why I don't want that cookie that someone keeps trying to get me to try, not even just a bite. But when I do tell people, the reactions range from confusion, to support/curiousity, to hostility. (As in "thats just a bunch of BS!") I really don't get why people react so strongly when all I am doing is trying to feel better.

-One thing this has made me do is to really pay attention to everything I eat & to really listen to my body & see how it reacts. That is bad how exactly?

-It makes me sad that I know several people who would benefit so much if they tried eliminating certain foods from their diets-people with autoimmune disorders, diabetes, migraines. But not only do they have no desire to try a non-Rx method that could help, none of their doctors have ever mentioned it. The one doctor that did said it's a bunch of crap.

-This has made me very interested in food documentaries and how food can be not only what kills us but also what heals us. Check out "Forks Over Knives." Mind blowing.

-I don't miss bread. At all. I don't like GF bread either.

Ok, off my soapbox-best of luck to those of you doing an elimination diet!!



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NewMexicoParrot - at the end of the 21 days, you add some of the foods back in one week at a time to see how you react to the food - the plan recommends adding gluten, dairy, soy, and eggs back in. I tested everything but soy because it's something I never eat anyway, so I saw no reason to test it. If, after you add a particular food back in and have no reaction to it, you can add it back in to your regular diet gradually. If you have some sort of response/reaction to it, you need to avoid it for a longer period of time before testing it again. Speaking only for myself, since everyone is different, I learned that I do not do well with gluten but can occasionally tolerate some sprouted whole grain bread and some spelt bread and I can tolerate some hard cheese and some Greek yogurt. Eggs are fine for me, and like I said, I never eat soy anyway. The plan doesn't have you test sugar, peanuts, or corn as, in Ms. Virgin's very educated opinion, those foods should always been consumed only on occasion.

Personally, I learned a lot about myself when I following this plan.

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Uhm! I haven't tried this diet, but from what I read from the responses, I seem to get the same feelings following spark people, Exercising gives me the good mood. Following the portion control and suggestions from spark keeps me motivated without having me give up any of my foods foods, and certainly my spark friends support and encourage me.



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"I have never found a diet that works quite like "calories in/calories out"."
This. Although since I went vegan five and a half years ago, I have felt so much better. Dairy was the food that bothered my system. I am pretty sure I was lactose intolerant and just thought it was normal because I'd always been that way. No more stomach aches, no more odd aches and pains. And I have tons of energy. Dairy was making me, drag and I'm so happy to be done with it.

I have no problem with gluten. I would not be a happy camper if I couldn't have my seitan! Despite my skepticism about this plan, finding out which foods bother your system isn't a bad thing.

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What happens at the end of the three weeks on this diet?



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I am on day three of the Virgin Diet. I have lost 30 and then gained 35 pounds now three different times in the last 15 years. I am embarking on yet another try---This time doing something different-- and not just counting calories and balancing the food groups--and and.

In my mind this debate really is about WHAT/HOW is going to make you change your lifestyle-- what tricks can you add to your toolbox.. that stick.

I need to weigh in that there is truth to what she says about cravings-- while end of day My calories and distribution were not out of the recommended daily allowances-- my cravings were not as hard to handle by eliminating her foods. Much Much less so.

Will it stick-- we will see... But whether this is one more piece to the puzzle-- I don't feel it should be so criticized. This is a program asking you to listen to your body. This is a program that demands you think about foods that are processed. These are good lessons. Yes?



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Scandora - I agree with you 100%. The people on here that are bashing this program have never tried it - they've done some rudimentary "internet research" and have decided it's bad because it eliminates 7 foods and because they believe (incorrectly) that you HAVE to buy her protein powder. What they don't seem to understand that those 7 foods are eliminated for only 21 days and there is absolutely NO requirement to buy anything but real food. If you don't want to have a shake or use her product, you don't have to - you can eat GF oatmeal for breakfast or even leftover protein and veggies.

People that don't know anything about this program incorrectly believe it's a "diet" that is strictly for weight loss - as you and I both know, it's not. It's an inexpensive way to find out if you are sensitive to some of the foods to which people are most commonly intolerant. It's my understanding that food allergy tests do NOT indicate whether or not a person has a sensitivity to a particular food, only allergies, and there's a huge difference between allergies and sensitivities. Allergies normally become apparent almost immediately upon consuming the particular food, whereas food sensitivities can take several days to show the effect. The Virgin Diet is a fantastic way to learn about some food sensitivities.

If you want true support, join the Virgin Diet SparkTeam. Good luck in your Virgin Diet journey!

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It does not sound like it would hurt anyone to cut out these foods for three weeks, but I doubt it will help much either.

It sounds to me like another fad to convince people that they can lose weight if they just try this latest greatest new program (as if there really are not already successful, healthy weight loss plans out there).





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Hello,

I just joined Spark People to get some support while doing this diet. I was a little surprised to see Spark coaches say they don't approve of this diet. I find that odd. A few of my family members have FREAKED OUT about it as well. I want to address this.

I've been having health problems and did a lot of research before deciding to do The Virgin Diet. What I liked about it is that it admits to the serious taint that is in a lot of our foods through chemical sprays and the use of GMO, etc AND the rising rates of allergy and other forms of intolerance that are causing trouble. The diet helps you figure out if, say, you are sensitive to say dairy foods or Round Up Ready produce.

For three weeks you elimate the 7 common foods that are most commonly causing inflammation and health problems with people. THREE WEEKS you go without peanut or artifical sugar, and that overwhelms people? 21 days you can't have cheese or gluten.

Are we so attached to our foods that we can't even fathom three weeks just eating healthy grains like quinoa and brown rice, lentils and beans, and lean meats, and unlimited veggies, and a moderate amount of fruits for just three weeks? After that you make sure you aren't sensitive to these foods and put them back into your diet, if you want. What is the big deal?

And I don't why people think you have to purchase anything from her at all. I did buy the book, and at the time I first read it you COULDN'T even buy the protein powder for the optional shakes from her.

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hi there
I started this new way of eating this am, are you still using the jj virgin way of eating, if so can we keep intouch! lol



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My acquaintance who is obese has been following the Virgin diet for 14 weeks and lost 28 pounds. I'm really proud of her.

Like an earlier poster said, everyone has to figure out what works for them. I don't know why people are so critical of a new idea. It either works for individuals or it doesn't.



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I have the book, read it months ago. I like it and feel that though it is a popularized version of a nutritional program, its author does have credentials and the book cites sources. I find some of it questionable and also have a problem with it selling shakes but it is what it is. I got a lot of ideas out of it and keep it on my device in case I might want to experiment with it. I already don't eat some of the seven foods, might want to add more sometime.

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It definitely requires a pretty solid commitment, but I've been able to stick with it even with my crazy schedule. I was in NY last week, Columbus, OH, the week before that, Indianapolis this coming week. But as long as you plan, it's doable. The way I see it, it's a little inconvenient for the first 7 weeks, but if it means better health over the course of the next 40 years, it's totally worth it. ;)

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I'd never heard of it before this post. I read the replies of some of you who actually tried it. Interesting, but it sounds difficult for someone like me to stick with.

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As someone who is near the end of my 4th week on the Virgin Diet (or near the end of the end of the first week of Cycle 2, for those who are familiar), I am loving this plan.

What triggered my starting it was losing my dad. He passed away from gastric cancer 3 weeks ago.

I'd always been very healthy, rarely sick. When I hit 39, however, I was diagnosed with malignant melanoma on my neck. My dad was diagnosed with the same thing (only 20 years older than me at the time of diagnosis). That same year, I was diagnosed with hypothyroid, as was my dad at about the same age. And again, that same year, I was diagnosed with hiatal hernia, as was my dad. All of the sudden, I was taking multiple meds everyday just to keep myself at a healthy baseline, something I'd never had issues with just a year before.

So... two months ago, my dad went into the hospital. While there, he underwent an endoscopy which uncovered three ulcers. The one at the north end of his stomach was cancerous, and inoperable. Stage 4, spread to his liver. We lost him five weeks later.

When I saw the results of his endoscopy, it hit me like a freight train. Both because I knew I would soon lose my dad, but also because our healthy histories are... were... so similar. I felt I needed to do something to gain control back over my health. Yes, I take Nexium for my hiatal hernia, but Nexium, like all PPIs, have long-term risks of fractures. I'm 41 now... I'll be on it for a long time, and that's a lot more risk than I'd like to take on.

So... I started thinking... I've inherited the anatomical propensity for hiatal hernia. But is there anything I could be doing to prevent the attacks? From it getting worse? Anything I could do to combat the risk it presents for developing gastric cancer, like my dad, and leaving my kids, and grandkids, way too early?

I've been following JJ Virgin on FB for a while, have heard her on the radio numerous times, and always found her a little unrealistic. I travel a ton for work, love my dairy, love my carbs, and have always been a follower of "everything in moderation." Yet, I found myself at 41, unhealthy, overly medicated, and scared. I needed to find answers that I hadn't discovered yet. I decided to jump in with both feet, and am SO glad I did.

So again, I'm near the end of my 4th week. I've lost 11 pounds (even though weight loss was not my primary goal), have tons of energy and am thinking sharply and clearly again. I've discovered, through my dairy trial last week, that it is not my friend. And trust me, I LOVE dairy. But within 45 minutes of consuming it last week, my head started hurting, my guts starting cramping, and I literally felt drunk. This week I'm testing eggs, the following week will be gluten, and then soy. Crazy thing is I don't really miss any of it, and that FLOORS me. I've come to love coconut milk, and have found it surprisingly easy to eat out (with many restaurants offering allergen-free menus), and can bring my morning shakes anywhere I go.

So for the skeptical, I get it. But don't knock it until you try it - it's worked wonders for me. :)


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Although I have tried different diets, now I only follow programs that I can stay with long term. If I lose weight, and then gain it back because I can't stick with the program, I really have taken more steps backward than forward. That being said, if it works for you, and it is not unhealthy, I don't want to discourage your efforts. Good luck to you.

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I have never found a diet that works quite like "calories in/calories out".



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@JOGODSKI You can turn off the spark meal plan and enter your own food into your tracker. I don't like the menus either. Not because of sensitivities, I just don't like the food they recommend.

In your nutrition tracker, under the date. Go to tracker options and you can turn off the Spark menu there.

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 4/19/2013 (11:51)
Made it to my maintenance weight of 125 pounds.

Even though I have reached goal. I still don't know everything about weight loss.

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Is there a way to remover certain foods from the menus that are provided. I have allergies to pork which they have left out but also bananas and certain nuts eg peanuts. I find the menus a waste of time the way it is and feel I could be a good tool for me if I could write in some of my own foods. Please give me some insite into this the the help button does not cover this problem. Thank you.

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I think it's questionable.

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We are all individual in what foods we are sensitive to. The foods listed to avoid in the JJ Virgin diet are foods that give many people bad reactions. Whether it is sensitivities or allergies I don't know.

I react to dairy, wheat, corn and eggs. But I can tolerate small amounts of each of them except the dairy. It took me years to figure out that dairy products are not good for me. Giving them up has brought me great relief from arthritic pain and has cleared up the phlegm in my throat. I now take calcium in gel capsules. Pressed tablets often do not dissolve well. Some foods not on the list are a problem for me. Fresh mint bothers my mouth, but mint flavoring in candy does not. After eating almonds for 50 years all of a sudden they started making the inside of my ear canal itch terribly. It took a lot of eliminating various foods to track that one down.

If you are having health problems and trouble losing weight this diet or any other elimination diet is worth a try.

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I've been trying to stick with it. I haven't gained any weight, but haven't lost any probably because I have the munchies so bad! I am munching on celery, lentils, cashews, dried apples & other healthy stuff, but the munchies are killing me!!!! I hope it goes away soon!



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I just started the Virgin Diet..was wondering if anyone felt bloated or gained weight the first two days because thats whats happened to me.??? Perhaps it by body holding onto water to try and dilute toxins..not sure.

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I could never attemp this diet since my life partner is a meat and potato type of guy meaning he needs his sweets etc,; Although I wish all who are trying this the very best and hope it helps them get to their goals. The reason I love Spark is because they give you the choice to follow whatever diet you please and for all the support you receive . I've never heard of this diet but for all of you that spoke negativeity, just be supportive of others. We all need love and friendship and to not feel alone on our journey.



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Like the naturopath's tests better.

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I went to a (naturopathic) doctor a few years ago & had a blood allergy test. When I got the results, I was shocked that I was somewhat sensitive or allergic to almost everything on the list except for berries.(I think there was over 50 foods on the test) The program they put me on was very similar to JJ's program. (they even suggested the same brand of protein shake). I was happy to find JJ's book because I had such a hard time sticking to the program the doctor gave me. JJ's plan is easier! Having more information really has helped me focus too. I don't think it is a fad diet, I think it is a logical plan for trying to figure out why we can't lose weight eating the same things that made us fat! & for the people who think it sounds hard...if losing weight were easy, we would all be size 0! I started the plan, made it three days & now have to start over again.

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I started this diet last Wednesday because I think I have a sensitivity to something... I've gone vegan before for 12 weeks so I doubt it is the eggs or dairy but it could be that whole 3 week "cleanse part of it" so looking online more and more it seemed I needed to eliminate some things to rule them out and that's when I heard of this diet - I am pretty strict on it except for the sugar thing - I drastically reduced my sugar and only do natural sugar like honey or sugar in the raw for the least amount of processing or agave - I also allowed myself a couple of margaritas the other night since I hadn't drank in quite a few days. taking sugar out 100% I know I couldn't do for life so I wouldn't want to do it forever.

I borrowed the book and book on cd from the library. I bought things like almond and coconut milks, almondmilk based yogurts, glueten free instant oatmeal, sprouted pumpkin seeds, raw chocolate granola (when I need a sweet treat) and 85% cacao chocolate and made sure it didn't have soy or dairy as well and just limit that. I bought a protein powder that is pea based since I typically do a smoothie for breakfast, salads with chicken and quiona for protein for lunch and steamed veggies with either steak, chicken, shrimp, salmon or turkey for dinner - when I need a quick carb to indulge I snag a bowl of brown rice with sea salt and pepper on it!

The diet has been pretty easy and I figure I can kill 3 birds with one stone - figure out what I'm sensitive to, a good cleanse and hoping it takes me out of a plateau I have been at for about 2 months now!! I'm 5 days in and already down 4lbs as of this morning and according to spark my numbers are looking pretty good for what I'm eating! I also cut back my workouts for the first few days and hit the gym on Saturday but took yesterday off, so hoping to kick my body back into high cardio and weights this week to see what happens - if I need to go off of it I am willing to at anytime knowing that after losing 55lbs I don't want to mess up my system but I'm already seeing an improvement in getting closer to my system being "regular"

Good luck to everyone out there!!



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I hadn't heard of that one. Interesting to read the comments.

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Way to go, SpyderMonkey! All of you who have actually tried the diet seem pretty positive about it and have gotten good results. This encourages me. I'm still waiting to start for my hubby to be ready and food stocked up and menu plans made. I appreciate everyone who's said what they actually eat during the first cycle of 21 days. Thanks!



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I've been on the diet since Dec 30 and really like it. I have learned somethings that my body doesn't seem to handle well. I have also been counting my calories ( even thought it is not part of the diet) and have lost 18 lbs. I plan on sticking with it.



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Misssvjs- thanks so much for your meal ideas. They sound great. I am on day 7. I have always thought of myself as a good and creative cook, but I have been primarily vegetarian for 20 years and have not cooked meat. Occasionally my hubby will cook fish, but I am in new territory for coming up with meals. That has actually been a really fun part of this experiment. I don't consider this a diet, but an experiment. And I don't think about what I am eliminating as much as what new foods I am adding. Last night my husband made baked snapper with a spicy tomatoe sauce, brown rice, and cabbage cooked in coconut oil, cumin, and garlic. (Acutally I made the cabbage.) Earlier in the week, I baked chicken breasts and used the pressure cooker to make stew meat and carmelized onions. I also picked up a package of Shelton's chicken hot dogs to eat in a pinch. For lunches, I made a big pot of chana dal (like lentils) soup with lots of vegies. Often I have added half an avocado filled with some trader joe's canned salmon. (the kind with no bones and skin-eww!)
I can't wait to get my shake mix. I was already used to having a smoothie for breakfast. I have been using Garden of Eden's Raw Meal for several months and loved it. I am using it still while waiting for my Virgin stuff, but I noticed the Raw Meal has 26 grams of sugar( yikes!) and does contain some "fermented soy". My shake mix should arrive Tuesday. Good luck eveyone!

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There IS a SparkTeam for the Virgin Diet already on SparkPeople; reading that discussion is what brought me back to SP. (Others who find this thread may be interested in joining the Team.) I was so glad there were other people doing this, so I could get support around it and learn from your experiences.

From reading the book I think the Virgin Diet is very soundly based in science. The author, JJ Virgin, lists 35 scientific references in the back, and explains very clearly why and how she developed this approach from years of research and working with people who had trouble losing weight. Virgin also explains the difference between food allergies and food intolerance.



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2/1/13 6:20 P

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SparkPeople doesn't recommend diets that aren't necessarily based on sound, scientific study. If someone believes they have a food intolerance, they should work with trained allergists to determine if that's really the case.

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I haven't tried the Virgin Diet but have done an elimination diet. I just wanted to say "good job" to those of you who stuck to their guns in discussing this topic. I don't understand how or why people feel the need to post negative comments about an issue they obviously have no understanding of. I would bet that if any of those posters tried the diet they would discover that they really don't feel as well as they could!

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Seriously? Spark People doesn't recommend a "diet" (lifestyle) consisting of real, whole foods with a way of figuring out what foods a person might be sensitive to (not allergic so an allergist won't help!). Interesting!

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Hi everyone

SparkPeople is a great place to get support as you work toward your healthy lifestyle goals. Although this isn't the type of diet we'd recommend, we want you to have a place to discuss it if that's what you choose. I'd ask that you start a SparkTeam for this topic where you can start an ongoing conversation.

Thanks,

Coach Jen

"You may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing that we call "failure" is not the falling down but the staying down." Mary Pickford

"No matter how slow you go, you are still lapping everybody on the couch."
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