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11/1/16 6:39 P

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It would probably confuse me. I did not have much luck with WW, but since on Sparks have lost 45 pounds. I have kept it off over a year now. I use portion control, healthy foods, almost NO junk food and keep the amount of calories I consume in mind though not down to the "last calorie".

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11/1/16 12:44 A

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WW Programme is Smart Points,and we count calories,sat fat,sugar,and protein
and I can personally attest that new programme works very well,and not the least bit hard to follow. emoticon

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10/31/16 12:01 P

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Hi,

One day of my favourite parts of SparkPeople is message boards such as these. Like many of you, I've been on Spark for awhile and was debating whether or not to join Weight Watchers online. For me, it was merely the lure of tracking simple points as opposed to counting calories. However, from what I'm reading here the "new and revised" Weight Watchers program may not be as great as the advertisements show. If I'm going to get dinged for eating healthy "fats" like plain yogourt, milk and almonds, I'd be afraid I'd get mighty discouraged. Yes, I know fruits and most vegetables are "free" but our bodies also need healthy fats. Start heavily dinging the unhealthy fats and artificial sweeteners - the latter is probably just as harmful to our bodies as sugar.

So, no I won't be joining WW anytime soon.


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10/25/16 2:58 P

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The app sounds awesome! Tracking the points sounds great, but I can't figure out, by the old plan standards, how many points I'm supposed to be eating. Ugh.... :/ What a mess.

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10/25/16 2:42 P

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PS... I think this version of their plan is designed to keep people subscribed longer.. they get more of your money that way. So sad.

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10/25/16 2:40 P

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Oh my gosh!... I'm so glad I came here. I used WW a few years ago with GREAT success, and this new plan is radically different. I've noticed that foods have higher point values, and my old calculator doesn't jive with the what's online. Today one item was 12 points online, and 8 points by my calculator. Fruit is also free, which I think is a recipe for disaster.

I have my old materials, but I don't know how many points (according to the old plan) I'm supposed to have every day. WHAT a mess. I just did a blog entry here about this very subject.

HATE the new points plus system. HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT. :(

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10/8/16 9:41 A

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I'm a person hating Smart Points too......I normally crave salty things; not sugar....but Smart Points has me craving sugar all the time (guess since I'm the opposite of the sugar addicts, I got the opposite reaction). I also hate that the app/website have never worked properly and the bar code scanner often gives the wrong point values (I found that out quite by accident) - I've sent WW the wrong values I got for correction, but they've never corrected them, so now I never use the scanner. I've found the itrackbites app one of the best out there - it cost about $3.99 and then there are addition add-ons you can purchase if you want. They just added a recipe builder for $1.99. You can do Smart Points, Points Plus, Original Points or count calories - you get a choice!

I printed off the Simply Filling food list and try to just eat from that, if I want something off the list, I just eat it (within reason of course); let's face it - we all know what we should be eating! But we shouldn't deprive ourselves either - life happens-but I shouldn't feel guilty about it either. I think I've hit a point where I'm "pointed out" emoticon ......if WW truly wants to make the biggest change to their program in 50 years, then they need to do away with points completely - not just tote ANOTHER point program. And as far as continuously saying "new studies show that sat fat and sugar are the enemies"......that's not a "new" study, studies have been showing that for YEARS, my question is why it took WW so long to get there????

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10/4/16 8:59 A

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Just an FYI for you all....there is an app called the ultimate food diary. It tracks ww old point, pp. It's like 3.99. I love it.

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I lost 160 lbs on the PP plan and maintained up until I had knee surgery which imobilized me and I regained 40 lbs. I joined WW meetings and started up on the new Smart plus system and actually gained weight. So since two days I am back on the old program and I am not hungry as I was on the new program. I am going to stick to the old program which I just love.



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9/13/16 4:15 P

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Since adopting a plant based lifestyle. Points plus doesn't even work for me.

Choosing real food over diet food. Blows my points

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9/10/16 1:15 P

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I am happy with the new points plus programme,keeping track of sugar and sat.fat, are biggies for me,and really WW and SP are very similar in their programmes, I use both and they work well, but the difference is I need to be in a group situation.
No matter which weight loss you choose you have to work at it to be successful..

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9/8/16 5:28 A

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I follow the plan from the 1980's, good, basic plan

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I lost about 100 pounds using the old P.P. program mobile app and have kept it off. When they changed it I freaked out, but the old program was so a part of me and in my head, I settled down and continued to use the it and just count points like I used to with basically just a calculator. I've never been to one of there meetings and I never intend to go, I'm sure they'd tell me I'm doing it wrong or something, but they'll never get another dime from me since they changed to program. I'm still lean and mean at 51, of course I do exercise a few days a week. W.W., the old P.P. plan, mobile app changed my life, then when they changed everything they let me down big time, but I'm still here you as*h*les!

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8/10/16 6:22 A

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I began the old WW points plan on July 19th and have lost 11.2 lbs. I am a little disappointed because I thought it would come off quicker. Was contemplating actually joining WW and trying their new plan, but not after seeing all the negative comments on it. Actually, everywhere I have looked online, in regards to the new program, is negative. Will stick with what I am doing. I guess 11.2 in 3 weeks is pretty good compared to what the majority are accomplishing on the "new". =)

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I've tried this now and I find tracking on my pc difficult and time consuming. the app is ok. Great you can eat as many fruits and veggies as you want but not tracking them doesn't work for me. I like them but I didn't get fat eating fruits and veggies that's for sure. I also don't like that if I do want to have a piece of cake for example my whole day is blown. Anyway I just cancelled today. I've lost 13 lbs. so far - NOT ON WEIGHT WATCHERS. Watching my portions, not eating take out, not having as much booze and I joined a gym that I attend 2-3 times a week for an hour. I'm counting not only my fruits and veggies and making sure I get 5 to 10 a day but also my water intake. I have a fitbit I use daily (I love it- very motivational) but on weight watchers they give you way to many points for steps. The fitbit is great but I doubt it's accuracy at time. Anyway back to Sparkpeople for me.

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5/11/16 9:02 P

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I have to admit that I was skeptical of the program after reading so many derogatory comments about the changes with SmartPoints. However, I am never hungry since I can have all the fruits and veggies I want. The program is definitely working for me since I have lost 17 pounds since the last week in March. I do wish there was an easier way to calculate the exact points, but i use Spark People Recipe Calculator to get the nutrition then I use my app from there to calculate the SparkPoints. I am really liking the program so far. Thanks for the replies.

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5/11/16 7:13 P

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My niece has lost 12 pounds on WW and is happy with the program.



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5/11/16 5:28 P

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I honestly have a hard time understanding "starving" when you can eat all the fruits and veggies you want for no points. But I have always loved fruits and veggies so its not a huge change for me.

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I am in week 7 of a 12 week WW subscription and I have hated every day. I am really considering quitting - like I do every day on this plan. The new Smart Points are just awful. So unforgiving. I am hungry a lot and lost a lot of my joy. How can you enjoy a treat when you know it is costing major points? I have lost 4 pounds but been miserable throughout. I don't think my family deserves this. Every meal I am so sad because I stress about how many points I am spending. I am a short woman so I get the very bare minimum of points allowed. I do feel thinner but not happier.

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Hmm, I just joined last night, I have done WW before. The new way of counting points seems very doable. The leader explained why they changed them (kind of anyway) and it made sense. Will see how I feel about it in a few weeks. I like the veggies are Zero points, but the fruit scares me... Good luck on whatever journey you chose to get to a healthier life!!!

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4/12/16 12:16 A

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I lost my "spark" so thought I'd try ww and smart points. I call it South Beach with fruit. I am so sick of fruits and vegetables after 5 weeks I don't know if I can go on. I did lose 11 pounds and its fat not water but it's not going to work long term. I miss oatmeal and dairy and nuts and condiments. The first 2weeks I was not hungry. I think my body was in shock. Now I'm chronically hungry even after a meal. It forces you to make everything from scratch with greatly modified recipes that use the lowest possible fats or sugar which on a normal level is good but this is extreme. I'm curious to see how long before program is amended.

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I just finished a 3 month trial. I lost 10 and gained 2. I had 30 points, and was just so HUNGRY all of the time! A few times I logged those same foods in Spark and was surprised to see that I was only getting 800-1000 calories per day. I could finish out my day with 0 point fruits and vegetables, but what I really needed was a little more protein.

I kind of liked tracking points because it seemed a little less overwhelming, but that clearly does not work for me. I'm back with Spark. :)




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4/5/16 6:35 A

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Looking back on this post originally started in 2010! But I recently posted something about the new WW. I did it for 6 weeks diligently, lost only 2 and 1/2 pounds. Was very very disappointed. The more I read the more I think counting calories just makes more sense. I recently read an article where it said WW is so successful because people keep coming back after they gain the weight they lost on the program, lots of returning members. I am sticking with counting calories, I think the "free fruit" is very dangerous for me. But I do know WW works for some people. Just my two cents :)



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3/30/16 4:50 P

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I tried reading quite a few of the posts here about W/W's Smart Point program and did not see an answer so I thought I would ask the troops my question. Is there a way to factor the Smart Points in Spark People? I am currently using an almost free app called iTrack Bites which does integrate with the new W/W program. However, they do not yet have a provision for a recipe and meal builder like Spark People so obviously, I would prefer to use Spark People since I have an extensive library built up over the years. I just can't find anything within S/P on the Smart Points. Thanks!

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3/29/16 10:58 A

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I completely agree with you on this. I am always hungry, and while I know I need to eat less sugar, it also is very unforgiving with the tiniest little bit of it. And healthy things like oatmeal and regular yogurt have gone up! I compared to the old program - regular plain yogurt used to be 2 or three points - now it's 4 or 5!

I am so glad to know I am not the only one who is not having much luck. I did MUCH better on the Turnaround plan. lost 45 pounds, so I know what I am talking about.

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Same here, Jessica. Knowing that I can throw tons of vegetables and fruits into my diet and not have to track them nudges me toward more nutrient-dense food.



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I agree, Alicia. I think WW has a fairly sound program. From what they said, they have revamped the program based on the latest nutritional science, so they are trying to promote healthier (not just lower calorie) eating. And I need the meetings.

I also enjoy Spark People a lot too. Hey, whatever works!



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2/22/16 8:43 P

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I have never joined WW though I know others who have done well on it. I have done well on SP and it seems to work for me. I think Atkins and other similar programs are too restricting.



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Well I just (re)joined 3 days ago ~ a returning lifetime member that needs to lose 16 pounds, really only 13 to meet my goal but I like to get a bit below it if possible. I left WW over a year ago and here I am, overweight again. WW works for me ~ I will keep you posted on how the new smart points plan works for me but so far I haven't been the least bit hungry and I am extremely motivated to meet my fit points goal weekly. Sugary foods are not my GO TO so I won't be punished by the points that accompany them ~ but I do love my 4 oz. glass of red wine and that hasn't changed! I love the new on line tools for tracking ! I see no issues at all. I need the accountability of weighing in weekly and I like the meetings. I will keep you posted! Week one weigh-in is on Saturday morning!
Cheers!
SP is a great source of motivation for me to exercise so I remain a SP user also!
What is the best exercise you can do? Ha Ha ~ The one you "WILL" do!!
I just think you stick with the plan that works for you, it's not easy to lose weight, but very easy to find it! Hang in there!

Add on: first weigh in this morning ~ down 5.2 pounds yeah!!!!!!

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2/8/16 4:19 P

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I agree with everyone commenting on how bad the WW online tools are. I tried them for a 3 mo trial recently, but the tracker and app were ridiculously bad - and it's so hard to find anything on their website. And considering there's a monthly fee, it's ridiculous that it's so consistently bad. Tracking was so frustrating that I just stopped, and I found SP, which - though I'm not being 100% w/in my goals everyday - I'm at least tracking faithfully every day and reading and feeling encouraged, not frustrated. I cannot believe how great of a website and app that SP has!



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That's one thing that some members were complaining about. The healthy things like nuts, seeds and milk have shot up in points.

I could understand something like ketchup going up in points. Ketchup is tomato jelly.

I've heard tales of people eating broiled chicken breast or white fish with steamed broccoli. How gross is that?

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Hello fellow spark fans. I joined WW two weeks ago on my daughters suggestion. She of course is at goal and only had about 16 pounds that she lost. She thinks WW is wonderful. I agreed to join. I easily have about 40+ pounds to lose and am 55 years old. I have been struggling with perimenopause now and literally cannot lose any of this poundage. My WW story, last week lost a whopping 1 pound. Followed program to a tee and didn't use but 5 of the extra points all week. This week, you guessed it, gained that damn pound back. Well I am going to continue counting both points and calories in hopes of averaging a 1 pound loss eventually. LOL

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I have lost 20 pounds since last summer using SP. My DD needs to lose a lot more than that so I joined WW two weeks ago with the intent to do this with her, albeit long distance.
I tried for 2 weeks to support my daughter and the program really stinks. I eat pretty healthy and some of the foods I eat would rack up lots of points. For example. One little stuffed grape leaf was 60 calories but 2 points. Nothing unhealthy in it at all. Same with stuffed cabbage, the one I buy at Publix is 7 points. For a half, 220 calories. I get 30 plus 35 weekly so say 35 points. If I ate 5 servings I would be done for the day and at just 1100 calories. For beef, rice and cabbage. Who does this math? I think they are sponsored by the chicken industry because you can eat a truckload of chicken for hardly any points. Which is what I do anyway.
Anyhow. after I signed up, my doctor put me on metformin for pre diabetes and I used it today as my get out of jail card. They refunded the whole three months that I paid.
Which reminds me. I signed up for a new plan, if you lose 10 pounds in 3 months they either refund 2 months dues or extend your membership 2 months. I got to my first meeting, mentioned it and they said Oh, this district decided not to participate in that. And went on to the next comment.
So, I'm out of there!! Now to tell my DD.......

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annabee7 I was so grateful to have read your post the other day. I was toying on going back to weight watchers. I've done it many times, spent lots of money and ended up not losing much. Hearing about the new point system would send me off the deep end for sure. I'm sure they mean well, of course lots of veggies and fruit and lean proteins, and complex carbs.. but as soon as you have one treat. Bam you feel punished. Not for me.. I'm going to renew my efforts with sparks.. and work on shedding this extra weight. This is a great website. I get so much from it.

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Been there, done that-several years back. i prefer to use Sparkpeople.

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You also get weekly points. I had 28, but as you lose weight. Those decrease.

My mom has 25 lbs to lose. She got 30 points and 28 weeklies

If your dietitian tells you that you need to eat the rainbow. She's *not talking about a bag
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Thanks all!

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Okay I was just reading through the welcome book I got at the meeting and found that the minimum number of daily points is 29. Depending on the height, weight, gender, and age you could have a few more but as you lose the points decrease until your at 29 daily.

I have 50lbs to lose and my daily is 30pts so I bet their stingy with the points above 29. Hope that info helps you get set up.

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The smart points calculator will give you your daily points and update weekly with your new weight. It will prompt you to put in your new weight every seven days and will recalculate the daily points for what ever you weigh, given same age, height, and gender.

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When you sign up for WW. They ask a lot of questions. To give you your target points. I don't know if everyone's points are the same. I don't believe they are.

If your dietitian tells you that you need to eat the rainbow. She's *not talking about a bag
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1/14/16 3:17 P

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I have a question on the new "smartpoints" calculator. When it says put in "sugar" does that mean "total carbs - dietary fiber" or just the stated "sugar carbs"? I have a bar that has sugar alcohol and not sure if I need to put those in too?

I have to do WW for the weigh in meetings, I pay cash and am not using the web tools. Just tracking in the calculator ($10). If I don't physically weigh in I don't usually make it more than a few days on a diet so WW is the least costly weigh in place I have found.

The new points system is way different than the old one that had the slide rule thingy. Usually that was 1point per 50 cals. But now is completely different. I had a protein shake at 160cals but it is only 2 pts, then a chocolate covered pretzel for a snack @240 cals but came up 10 pts! I now have 18pts left and not sure if I'm even putting in the right sugar carbs and since I'm not on-line there is no one to ask. I went to contact on the site and it is not responding so I thought I'd ask here. Thanks in advance for any insight.

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I just bought the books from ebay for the new ww program. I like the idea of weighting protein less than sugary items. That should help me quite a lot. I feel better when I eat less sugar but I fall into bad habits quickly, so I'm hoping I will do good on the new plan. I heard that you can't get your daily point target from the books though, that you have to either join online or a monthly pass in person. Can anyone clarify if this is true, and is there any other way to get my new daily points and flex points? I can't afford the meetings so I was hoping to do it myself with only the investment of the books I bought for $29. Thanks!

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One could do WW manually. All the calculators are on the Internet. Even the smart points calculator.

The new program was rolled out just after thanksgiving. There are people complaining that their ap and website still don't work.

Don't get me started on the community. The WW Hens will cluck you into silence. If you do anything but sing the praises of Smart Points.

One hen even stated that you should calculate your points on paper and be quiet. That the tools you are paying dearly for don't work.

I said that to say. Stick with Spark People. It's free and the website and ap always work.

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I've never done WW online, so this may not work for you, BUT...

can you still use the system that you like, but go manually? That's what I would do when I did WW. The meetings were a total waste of time for me (that's NOT motivation for me, and I already knew everything that the leaders told us at every meeting that I attended.) So I just used the books and the guides to use the WW system on my own.

there are also some WW teams here on Spark. Maybe those teams will have some helpful info for you.

hope you can find something that works for you!

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The new WW points system is HORRENDOUS.

I believe in moderation and still occasionally like to enjoy junk food while trying to, on the whole, maintain a healthier diet and exercise regimen. I've found that depriving myself altogether always ends in disaster, hence why I joined WW and not another program.

Anyway, I used to log an Oh Henry! chocolate bar for 8 points, which is crappy (almost 1/3 of my daily points) but worth it sporadically. It is now 13 POINTS in the new system. I get that junk food is bad for you (hence why it's called "junk"), but to spend nearly half my points on 1 chocolate bar is INSANE!

I don't understand why they changed the points system because the old one WORKED. When I'm following my WW and logging everything 100% of the time and accurately, I lose weight, even if I eat the weekly points. This new system is going to starve me as I'm finding pretty much ALL food items have gone up dramatically in points value. It will also keep me from enjoying the things I used to like eating when I'm "splurging", so the whole "enjoying junk in moderation" thing isn't going to work out anymore. I don't want to "fall off the horse" but this new system might make me :(

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I got my hand smacked today. Apparently some of the members went cwying to the pwincipul. I was being a naughty member for promoting Spark People.

I told them. Their page. Their rules. And then I asked if they would censor the other members for being nasty? Calling other members fatties that need to put down the twinkies. They had been pretty quick to answer. This time crickets.

I may have broken the page rules by promoting spark people. The difference is. I wished everyone success. No matter what plan they chose. I was the one censored

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OK I am sticking with them but I have great concerns, as noted in some of the comments they have these copied responses, if they ask me one more time on the chat line "I hope you understand technical glitches" very condersending. I am worried about the science since the rollout is so poorly designed from not being able to save favorites for a week, so you can not correct the ones they lost on us, to only allowing 60 goal per day for excising, and as noted increase the value of points on my activities and tell me not to use them. I walk over 2 hours a day, and I could only set my goal for 60 minutes, and they give me 17 activity points (they correct you and call them fit points relax will you!) I used to get just 12 points now 17. And you can not change your weigh in day to your meeting day! So if they could not get that simple technical stuff correct how can we trust their science on nutrition? Sticking to old plan until they figure everything out. I feel this is all bells and whistle stuff for the new year trying to get more members, but I feel they are ignoring us that have been with them for years. i now feel like a customer not a member!

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I so dislike the canned cut and paste answers. WW keeps giving on the Facebook page. And don't even get me started on the condescending members who are responding.

Especially the one about this new plan being science. What science tells a woman to eat 700 calories and exercise for an hour?

One of the members even said. Fine, if you don't like it leave. You will gain all your weight back and come back.

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Same! Plus, I hate that we're encouraged not to use "Fitpoints." I understand that they're trying to avoid people overestimating exercise effort and exercising just so they can eat more, but, under the new plan, I've been bonking hard on my long runs. That suggests that the carb penalty that comes with Smartpoints isn't a good fit for me. :/

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Weight Watchers revamped their points and they are garbage

I ate......
2 cups of coffee (1TBSP Half and Half, 1 tsp sugar, each)
1 bowl of cereal
1 chicken thigh
1 dinner roll

That used up all my points

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I use my weight watchers stuff from the 1980's, easier and, like anything else, they work if you actually do it. Take care!!

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Well, I have been "trying" to use the new "SmartPoints" system with Weight Watchers this past week and am very disappointed. The app is down a lot and a lot of other features are gone. Not happy with it and I am usually good with change. I may just do the old WW with where they used calories, fat and fiber. Or just use calories.



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I work with SP and WW they are very similar and they work for me because
the meetings are what I need.

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The key I have found with the points plus is lots of fruit and veggies. You get only a few more daily points, but that is countered by the increased point value of many foods. To make up for that, my morning and afternoon snacks are fruit only...that way there are no points wasted in between my bigger meals of breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's not for everyone and I know plenty of folks that stayed on the old WW plan because they didn't incorporate many fruits into their daily diet...me, on the other hand, when an apple no longer cost me a few precious points I was ready to indulge!

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I am a little late to the game as you posted last month, but you make a great statement "I'm set up for a successful week.". Determination is part of the game of course, but setting ourselves up for failure (by not prepping or by have no low point foods on hand) makes it impossible (even if we are determined!!)

I started back on WW PP this past Monday. I've done it in the past but have always fell off the wagon. I came into it this time with a completely new sense of determination and although I'm only three days in, I'm feeling strong!



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What do you mean niche? I'm struggling. I'm on. I'm off. The old WW worked but I cannot get with the plus program.

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There are two sites that cite spark points and have delicious recipes.

Skinnytaste.com and Hungry girl.com.I think both sites are inter active posting
points plus on each recipe..[ As a rider] I am a member of both WW and SP they
have a lot in common , the main difference is SP is free, but I benefit from WW meetings and the interaction of other members.

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What happened to the original poster of this thread, she never made more than one post?? Very odd.........

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No need to include your anti-semitic website in your posts. BTW, Ayn Rand was Jewish. May you rot in hell with the other Holocaust deniers.

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Well, I have some zero point soup in the crockpot and stocked up on plenty of fruit today. Tomorrow I am going to make the crock pot lasagna that is 9 points. I am set up for a successful week.

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I do the older Weight Watchers, from the 1980's, still have the cook books. I get Weight Wathchers magazine, and you can still use their web site, you can go on their Forums and don't have to pay to do that. I also like Richard Simmons "Deal A Meal". But as with any of these things, staying on them forever is still not guaranteed.............. emoticon

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I just dug out my WW books last night and I am making a grocery list to get started back on this tried and true program. Anyone following WW? I'm sure I could use some help getting used to figuring points again.

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I am back on Weight Watchers. I bought all the books and calculator when I was a member. So now I am doing it on my own (with my mother) And having great success. Down three pounds in two weeks.

I eat more vegetables when I am on Weight Watchers.

I had gained thirteen pounds back. When I get back to maintenance weight. I will have to figure out what to do.

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It has been 6 months since I posted in this group so I thought I would give an update. As of today I have lost 38 pounds. Even though I belong to W.W. I don't attend any meetings. For some reason I need to attend the weigh in or I don't loose weight. I wish I didn't have to go to weigh in as I don't like paying the price for W.W. but W.W. works. At first I struggled with W.W. but now I found my niche and I hope others do to.

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Starting Weight 175 pounds 9-6-14

1st goal 166 pounds (5% weight loss)goal met 10-18-14
2nd goal 158 pounds (10% Weight loss)goal met 11-29-14
3rd goal 150 pounds (25 pounds and 15%)goal met 1-31-15
4th goal 140 pounds (Healthy range)goal met 3-28-15
5th goal 135 pounds (40 pounds down)goal met 4-25-15
6th goal 131 pounds (25% Weight loss)goal met 5-16-15
7th goal 125 pounds (50 pounds down)


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Did you get the little book called Simple start and one called What to eat.? They are full of recipes based on the power foods with lots of alternatives, snacks and indulgences, if you did not let your membership lapse you should be able to download them onto your computer,
cell phone or tablet,failing that perhaps you made a friend at a meeting who would be willing to
let you make copies. Good luck...

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Hi,
I hope I can join in here! I joined SP a LONG time ago and lost about 70 pounds. Then I gained much of it back. I joined WW almost four years ago and lost about 30 pounds. Then I gained it back.

I think that the big deal for me is that I don't know how to maintain. I LOVE the idea of the zero points foods, and it really works for me. I am not gaining weight because I eat too many bananas or too much watermelon.

I missed the ongoing community aspect of SP though. I love being able to connect with other Sparkers during the day. I also like going to WW meetings.

So this time, I'm doing both. And when I get back down to that goal, I'm looking to maintain! One of my big hopes with WW is to make it to lifetime this time -- that's really the big WW draw for me.

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That's great LDAVIS! Thank you for sharing the recipe... I'm not the one who asked for it but I'll take it! emoticon I also wish you much success on your Weight Watchers journey! I too didn't care for WW site... I love and use SparkPeople! emoticon

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Just joined WW with a friend 3 weeks ago. I've lost 5.6 pounds so far. All my walking routes and info are with SP. I can't seem to navigate around WW's site! SP has been my friend for about 3 yrs and keeps me accountable. Someone out there wanted a recipe...I have one for the crockpot that couldn't be any easier and it's low fat and delicious!

Salsa Chicken

4 Chicken Breasts
1 envelope Taco Seasoning
1 Jar Salsa
1 can 98% FF Cream of Mushroom Soup

Dump all in a crockpot and cook on low 8-10 hrs
When done add in a small container of Light Sour Cream
Serve over Whole Wheat noodles

It's about 6-8 points, never really figured it out!



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The thing I have always appreciated about Weight Watchers when I first used them in 1990 is that they never told me this would be a quick fix. Although following a meal plan was part of the program, it was not presented as "dieting" and it was more about making healthier choices and learning what amount of food worked best for your body and your degree of weight loss and subsequently maintenance. It was then - and even more now - about making long-term healthy lifestyle changes that fit your life and that you can stick with and where you can go about making healthy changes at your own pace.

Back in the day, I had no clue how to eat... I didn't know what proper portions were or how to balance out my meals nutritionally, and Weight Watchers taught me that. I guess that's why I've always been pretty devoted to them, and why I returned to them this time. Even for the years in the early days of their "points" system, although I hated the structure of the points system then, I still always valued Weight Watchers for their general guidelines and lifestyle recommendations. Do I think I will always want to follow "points" for the rest of my life? Probably not. But what I appreciate right now about this program is that it is motivating me and bringing me back to an understanding of what I need to do for my individual body. After losing weight in 1990 and becoming my thinnest ever (size 6), I stayed that way for over 10 years until a thyroid illness derailed me for 2 years. Now I've been figuring out a whole new way to take care of my body where I am today vs. 20+ years ago. I'm so grateful - extremely grateful - for SparkPeople first and foremost, and I am also grateful for the available tools and information I am gaining through Weight Watchers and more recently, a book I'm using called "100 Days of Weight Loss" by Linda Spangle. Right now, these are part of my "toolkit" that keep me inspired and motivated!

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The thing is- is that is a life time plan. Not diet. emoticon

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Yes, I agree...I didn't subscribe to the online WW... in that regard, I actually prefer and use Sparkpeople. emoticon I think SparkPeople is the best online fitness site! emoticon

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Love the ww experience but the online website is grossly overpriced.

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I hear you, Judybug... I have to watch my fruit intake also. But I love WW... it helped me 20+ yrs ago learn how to eat for the first time and to keep that weight off for many years. Like I said, I got derailed by illness; however I love that WW teaches you how to eat real food you can buy in your local stores. I've loved many of their programs through the years with the exception of 2 earlier points plans but even then I still loved their balanced and practical approach to weight loss and fitness. I am enjoying this Points Plus program very much! Best success to you!

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Love Weight Watchers...it's a lifestyle I can live with. I do have to be careful on zero point foods because I can overuse fruit, but it's the one program where the weight stays off. I lost more quickly and a larger amount on Atkins, but I was not a happy camper, plus I quickly put the weight back on. Any 'diet' works if you truly work the program, but it must be something that suits you personally.
And when you reach goal at WW you no longer pay anything as long as you don't go over 2 pounds up...and you only have to weigh once a month. I found the costs of the program to be less than I spent on drive thru food and drinks...I no longer drive thru anywhere, but I do eat out quite often just within points.

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I've never used Weight Watchers!!! emoticon

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Hi, just joining in here... I just joined WW this November after scoping out the most recent program for a few weeks. I was on WW 20+ years ago - when it was food exchanges - and I really loved that old program because it taught me how to eat properly for a long time. My weight ballooned up again in the early 2000s ago after a long term illness.

Since I rejoined, I attended a few meetings and met with the leader for this program but then had to stop the meetings. Right now, I cannot afford online or continuing weekly meetings so I've got the program books and the Success Kit and I'm doing it in combination with Spark. I've lost around 5lbs in the last couple weeks. I could probably lose faster but I'm gradually cutting my portions back... I think it will help me to stick with it. Anyway, so far I like this points program much better than the 2 other times I tried points years ago.

I'd love to connect with anyone else who's currently following the points plus...I want to lose 55lbs and really get in fit shape! I'm trying to plan out strategies for myself (I tend to be an emotional overeater) and come up with new low point recipes and "replacement" recipes. :) Anyway, I wish everyone luck on their journeys! emoticon emoticon

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There are some foods I do not count in my SparkPeople calories like carrots, onions, celery and lettuce and some others. But Weight Watchers is just plain crazy to include potatoes and bananas in their "simply filling foods." This is where they go way off track. They will say that you should eat simply filling foods until you are "satisfied." But that is just another way to put you in the wrong if you eat too much. This is right where we started. I have to count calories which is one of the main reasons I like SparkPeople. In addition, I go to the Weight Watchers meetings for motivation and socializing.



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I had joined WW in August of this year. I didn't like it at all and I cancelled my membership with them. It just wasn't for me. There is no need for me to keep wasting money for something that I'm not happy with. Best of luck to all of you that enjoy the program.

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