NITTINNANA's SparkPeople Blog NITTINNANA's Blog on SparkPeople, home of free diet plans and a healthy living community Recovering Back to Sparking, but only one-handed. I'm in a right shoulder immobilized and a long leg cast. Walking Pita, he gat dive-bombed by a bird. Guess we were too close to her nest. Freaked-out dog, and I went almost straight down, knees, hands, face, to the walking trail. <BR> <BR> Fortunately across the street from one of Erik's school friends, and they are often out in their front stoop! <BR> <BR> The bridge of my nose, (I wear glasses), my mouth, and my chin are almost completely healed. T... Sat, 31 May 2014 11:20:04 EST A Light At the End of the Tunnel? Maybe. I'm afraid to celebrate, but I am cautiously optimistic. My BLC24 teammates knew the heights and the depths last round of thinking that 11 year-old Marshall would finally be spending school years with dad David and vacations with his mother in Salt Lake City - only to have her change her mind "because I just couldn't let him go." Not a word about what is best for Marshall. <BR> <BR> For those interested in the story, but unaware, please take a minute to read the precious two blogs. ... Mon, 5 May 2014 10:04:59 EST Still Waiting For Marshall.... It's definitely past time to catch up my SparkFriends. I wrote some of this on my Sunset Stingays chat thread, but not much. And the rest of you are totally clueless. <BR> <BR> Well, my last blog was so positive! I was so excited!!! But within 36 hours, Marshall's mother changed her mind. As with everything else, it was all about her. "I just couldn't let him go." <BR> <BR> So I spent several nights of sleeping only about four hours. I'm over that, and I'm sleeping normally again. And I s... Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:08:20 EST Growing Our Family! What a crazy, crazy week this has been! Some of what's gone on, I've shared with my BLC Sunset Stingrays team. The biggest thing of all, though, is what I wasn't free to share until now. <BR> <BR> Most of you know that #2 son David moved in with us at the end of last summer, with Erik (now nearly 7) and Sean (4-1/2). He's been a single Dad since their mother left about 2-1/2 years ago. He has another son Marshall (11), the product of a failed engagement all those years ago. He has been livi... Tue, 8 Apr 2014 19:16:27 EST Wild Weather! Two days of severe thunderstorms expected here in Mid-MO. This morning, I got caught in it. We'll see what tomorrow brings! <BR> <BR> For those of you who know there's also a 4 year-old grandson in the house, he rides a bus to his preschool, so he doesn't figure into this story. <BR> <BR> But I walked Erik to school just in time. I went a little farther than usual, making sure I got him safely across the school driveway. (Not trusting drivers, even with kids in the car, to be attentive thi... Wed, 2 Apr 2014 14:10:04 EST There's WHAT In My Tea? <link><BR>whats-really-in-your-tea/ </link> <BR> <BR> This morning I read a reference to pesticides in commercial teas, which are largely unwashed before being bagged. So I googled "brand name tea and pesticides" and found numerous articles. This one, and its suggestions, was a real eye-opener. Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:44:36 EST Coping Better...And Some Good News 2 Timothy 1:7 <BR> King James Version (KJV) <BR> 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. <BR> <BR> My original reaction to the news of grandson Jakob's need for surgery on cartilage in his voice box was worse than fear. I found myself almost paralyzed, literally reliving - literally feeling all over again! - the terror of those first few weeks of his life. Coming home from a delightful shopping trip with my mother to have my Dad tell me... Sat, 8 Mar 2014 09:39:53 EST Please Help! Seriously, I'm Falling Apart Inside! I'm scared, and I've hardly been able to see through my tears since Monday. Many of you know that my 13-year-old grandson Jakob is a micro-preemie survivor. He was born at 24 weeks 3 days. The only thing he had going for him from a medical standpoint was that he turned out to be 5 ounces bigger than the most recent ultrasound had predicted him to be. One pound, 10 ounces, and 11-1/4 inches long. <BR> <BR> But my son's very firm words when I started to cry after hearing that he had been born... Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:29:37 EST BLC24 Goals Time to refine what I last wrote and break things down for some shorter term goals. Of course, some of my yearly goals are far enough out there that I don't need to address them now. Progress toward #3, 4, and 7 will show by progress on the goals during these 12 weeks. <BR> <BR> #1 - I will kiss the 150s good-bye during the challenge, and I will never weigh more than 152 again in my life. <BR> <BR> #2 - I will walk walk a virtual or actual 5K in January, February, and March. April may or ... Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:29:09 EST 2014 Is the Year I Get It Right! I was never obese until my sophomore year in college. In fact, I graduated fro high school weighing just 117 pounds. No Freshman 15 for me - just the opposite! I got salmonella food poisoning and was extremely ill. Lost 12 pounds in 8 days. Started having a milkshake every single night before bed, and I still didn't get back to 120 for most of a year. And just about the time I did, I got pregnant and gained WAY too much. In truth, I think I screwed up my once-perfect metabolism with that comb... Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:38:07 EST A Matter of Perspective My original plan was to write a blog entitled "UGH! What a Day!!!" But, as soon as I started to compose it in my head, I knew that wasn't what I really want to convey. Yes, yesterday (a Sunday, no less) was horrible. <BR> <BR> It started almost the minute I got up, when Paul noticed water by the water heater. Take down the wall panel, discover (surprise!) a leak. Shut if off, except that the shutoff isn't quite complete. Turn it way down to save on heating water, just a pilot light. Get pa... Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:53:28 EST "Name That Tune" - Christmas Style! (with Answers) If you missed yesterday's blog, I'd suggest you skip to that first and see how well you do. Then come on back, and check your answers. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> 1. My sole desire for the Yuletide season is receipt of a pair of central incisors. <BR> All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth <BR> <BR> 2. From dark 'til dawn, soundless. <BR> Silent Night <BR> <BR> 3. Celestial messengers from splendid empires. <BR> Angels From the Realms of Glory <BR> <BR> 4. Antlered quadruped wit... Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:25:33 EST "Name That Tune" - Christmas Style! Time to put on thinking caps and have a little fun! I have these to my BLC team (True Blue) over the weekend as part of a Weekend Challenge involving Christmas humor. They've been SparkMailing the answers to keep from tipping off anyone else! I'll post answers tomorrow, or Wednesday at the latest. <BR> <BR> 1. My sole desire for the Yuletide season is receipt of a pair of central incisors. <BR> <BR> 2. From dark 'til dawn, soundless. <BR> <BR> 3. Celestial messengers from splendid em... Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:42:19 EST Just Beautiful! This was shared with me by my #1 son Tobias. <BR> <BR> <link><BR><BR>est-coin-ever-spent.html&h=jAQENTwAjAQ<BR>HyrOxkphUQAZgT1Iqe3PfC46K8yoZAP9F0Nw&e<BR>nc=AZPLcpLIizJfIsMyueNbo4H0dcPlgu3vQLx<BR>3dWtym5VQmzXEIrJj4sGgXQ41fcKBk-XHYzCGTgdJYtV5yMHjEjlD&s=1 </link> Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:57:11 EST What?!? New Government Over-Reaching Perhaps a bit over the top at the end, but truly scary nonetheless. <BR> <BR> Requiring a doctor's note in order for a child to bring a lunch from home? Really? <BR> <BR> <link><BR>home-without-doctors-note-school-lunch<BR>-only/ </link> Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:49:40 EST A "Typical"Day at Our House! <img src=""> <BR> First, meet the needs of animals. <em>239</em> <em>338</em> <em>241</em> <em>200</em> <em>240</em> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> <BR> Coffee and devotions for Paul and me. <em>271</em> <em>296</em> <em>458</em> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> <BR> Mount Washmore is growing. Better boot up ... Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:04:18 EST A Long Story With a Happy Ending I guess the beginning of my story is unlike anyone else on the team. I was a slender kid. I would have been skinny, we're it not for a relatively large derrière. I hated how it always made clothes shopping so hard, and I hate clothes shopping to this day. I don't know what I'd do if it weren't for the "uniform" I've found from Lands' End. And now I buy sunscreen clothing online from Sun Precautions, again getting the same four pieces. Just different colors, and now - <em>244</em> - smaller ... Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:40:06 EST To Hell in a Handbasket... Seems like an appropriate, though ancient, saying to describe how I feel about today. This morning, I went to the <em>341</em> food bank for this month's pickup. Like I always do, I gave back several things that don't belong in our house - a large package of <em>493</em> almond bark, <em>44</em> a whole cake, <em>106</em> powdered (yucky!) coffee "creamer." So far, so good, right? But there was this 8-1/2 oz bag... <BR> <BR> It was like an instant scream from my eyes to my brain ... Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:33:03 EST Poor Nana! Erik decided over the weekend that he wants to walk to and from school! Of course, he's only 6. There's a busy street to cross outside of the school zone, so many drivers are eve exceeding the 30mph limit. No way is he going to do THAT real soon. <BR> <BR> But I told him we could start practicing so that he'd be ready to do more and more of it as he wants to. So yesterday, when we got to the top of the hill, I could see the crossing guard. It's the same busy street as we crossed earlier, so... Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:37:15 EST Saturday Rambling - Physical, Mental, Emotional This blog won't exactly be stream-of-consciousness (I'm much too rational for that), but it won't be particularly well organized either. I went for another long walk today and used it for Think Time. <BR> <BR> I'll address most of the physical in my next blog, but I've re-committed to stretching. <em>413</em> Almost all of my walks this summer were 15 minutes or less, even when I went out multiple times a day and got good mileage in. But I rarely bothered to stretch afterward, because I ... Sat, 7 Sep 2013 15:19:33 EST What a Wonderful Walk! We had a great morning today. Thankfully, I'm blessed with a husband who almost enjoys house cleaning. So he does a lot around the house. This morning, he had everyone leave so he could wash windows and floors without worrying about where grandchildren might walk or touch while he was working. (And, NO, LADIES, he's not for sale)! <BR> <BR> So David drove to the far end of Fulton's walking trail to drop Erik and me off. Then he drove to a parking lot partway along it. Erik and I walked 1.84 ... Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:16:25 EST Heat Wave! We're about halfway through what will certainly be the worst heat of the summer. I've been able to do significant walking so far during it, but today I just won't push it. Maybe not for a few days, even. Today, tomorrow, and Thursday are expected to be the worst, but with no real break until at least next Tuesday. <BR> <BR> I still walk Erik to school and go to pick him up. Knowing that I'll be walking 1.2 miles in the hottest time of the day is giving me pause. So today my "exercise" will ... Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:14:32 EST Too Hot for Coffee - But I Did It Anyway! I had to walk downtown to arrange the final readout on David's utilities for Friday. No Sean yet; he was still with his mother from the weekend. So Paul and I both walked Erik to school and then headed for the City Building. It was already hot, 77* when we got downtown. <BR> <BR> Then, just because we were there, we had to patronize Café Crème. It made for an even hotter walk home, but it was worth it. <BR> <BR> Now we're showered and shampooed. Laundry is hanging out to dry, and the week... Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:15:41 EST Deliberately Going Off Routine Not even a week in, and I'm already breaking the routine? Yep. I'm glad I did it, too. <BR> <BR> Yesterday, we'd gone to a newly remodeled Starbucks when we were in Columbia, just because we don't go very often. A terribly disappointing experience. No longer is this a coffee shop for sitting, reading, knitting, conversing. It's now designed for efficiency, from the wide-open area at the entrance (to move foot traffic in and out quickly) to the counter against the windows and the jam-crammed... Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:38:28 EST Life Happens! After I posted yesterday about how smoothly the morning had gone, Sean's bus brought him home some 20 minutes ahead of the earliest time in his 10-minute window! We were so thankful we hadn't gone for a walk downtown or anywhere. Then, this morning, no bus 10 minutes AFTER the latest time in his pick-up window. Turned out, the scheduler had him listed as no pick-up on Friday. Last year, he never rode the bus HOME on Friday, because of the schedule David worked then. But I guess we'll never k... Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:49:53 EST Yippee! Back-to-school today. The morning routine I mapped out worked out perfectly on this trial day. David and Erik will still be sleeping at his house for a week or so, which will make the transition to full-time Nana and Grampie easier. We have Sean here, but no breakfast for David or Erik (who arrives fully dressed and ready to go). <BR> <BR> Up at 5:30 for taking care of the dogs and having our traditional coffee and devotions in bed. Sean happened awake at 6, but that's the time I'll have to... Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:00:25 EST Bubble-Mania Ah, the joys of small-town life! Our city hall has 3 fountains under grates on a flat plaza. Every year, just before the kids go back to school, is Bubble-Mania. The fountains are awash in bubbles, a sprinkler on thee roof "rains" down on them, and the kids have a ball! <BR> <BR> So today, Erik, Sean, Grampie, and Nana all walked. We walked and walked. <BR> First 1.6 miles, then 0.6 miles, then 1.9 miles. And to think that Sean is only 3, andErik 6. Both of them are great walkers. And, for... Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:54:45 EST So Much to Learn! These past two weeks, I've had almost nonstop grandchildren. A good thing in many ways, of course. A disaster-in-the-making in others! <BR> <BR> I've learned a lot about how and why I gained and re-gained for so many years. We've done special things, many of which included special foods. Like, when Trish and Rebecca were here, I fixed quite a few of their favorites. We went to a KC baseball game. We had several dinners/parties with the other Fulton family. And I ate - and overate. <BR> <B... Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:54:03 EST Open Letter to SP Staff and Sparkers Everywhere Last week SparkPeople removed a blog written by __________. It was a hurting, angry, and despairing blog. It had to do with abuse of all kinds by an alcoholic and prescription-drug-addicted husband. There was nothing inappropriate in that blog, unless, of course, a reader is offended because of being guilty of the same. <BR> <BR> I was dismayed when I learned that the blog had been taken down. Among the comments was a particularly good one by someone who cared enough to list all kinds do po... Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:55:33 EST Be Sure to Eat Your Freggies! Many thanks to my friend Marian Hoffman for these pictures. <img src=""> <img src=""> <img src=""> <img src=""> <img src=""> <img src=""> Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:07:44 EST Going Backward - and Why (Conclusion) One last point about my journey backward in time. Neither Paul nor I require a huge variety in what we eat. I had been trying to eat MANY different foods as I dabbled in one eating plan after another. Now I'm back to what I was doing before. No further weight loss after those four pounds, but I'm still happy with what I'm doing. <BR> <BR> Breakfast is one of two things. Oatmeal with raisins, milk, and 1/2 tsp brown sugar. Or a 2-egg veggie and cheese omelette. The fact that I vary the chees... Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:49:32 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 7) Time to address eating plans. I found SparkPeople somehow on the Internet last fall; don't have any idea how. I was struggling with Atkins and that point. It was not the only "diet" I've used, of course, only the most recent. Diet Workshop. Weight Watchers on and off since 1972. NutriSystem, both at a center (1981) and again with their current ordering plan. Jenny Craig. Diet for a Small Planet. Eating only one meal a day.......and so on, ad nauseum. Heck, I'd even been influenced by Adele D... Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:19:18 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 6) I decided today to edit this blog - just can't shake the feeling that it was TMI. <BR> <BR> This will certainly be the most difficult blog ever for me ever. I am a survivor of incest. Not my Dad, my oldest brother, starting when I was 10. When I was in my late 40s, I finally told my mother. With my permission, she told my Dad. They later talked with my brother, but I have no idea what anyone said. My parents and I never spoke of it again. From my (outsider) perspective, their relationship w... Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:32:48 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 5) First of all a progress report. I've done my 3-step morning and bedtime routines well, although it's taken me longer in the morning than I like. And I've done the Sparking I'd planned, not caring about the SparkPoints and always completing my 3 Fast Break goals. And I've done way more than the 15 minutes of decluttering, to get ready for moving David and the boys in at the end of the summer. <BR> <BR> There was a modicum of necessity in skipping the blogs for a couple of days. On Sunday, we... Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:41:50 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 4) Today, it's time for more FlyWashing of my brain and my life. Ah, the morning routine. For those of you who haven't read my previous blogs, I'd appropriately grown my morning routine to some 10 or a dozen items. Then I got depressed enough again to see this as overwhelming, and the result was no morning routine at all. So here's my new 3-step morning routine. <BR> <BR> 1 - Out of bed by 8:30. (Yeah, I know - but it beats the 11-11:30 it's been of late). <BR> <BR> 2 - Dress to shoes, includ... Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:29:57 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 3) Today I need to address Sparking in general and SparkTime in particular. Like many other areas of my life, something has gone wrong here and needs to be fixed. <BR> <BR> Of course, at the beginning of SparkPeople, we race through the levels - and it feels good! But I let the "rush" get to me, and I got really competitive with myself and others about racking up SparkPoints. I just HAD to be #1 on a team or two for the month. And I was - but it was an empty accomplishment. Even when I was con... Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:48:24 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 2) For those of familiar with FlyLady, you'll know immediately where I'm coming from today. If she is new to you, please check out This is a terrific website about Marla Cilley's baby-step program for getting your house (and yourself!) in order. I've been a FlyBaby for awhile, and I'd grown my morning and bedtime routines to some ten or a dozen items. But in my current depression, I had seen these routines as so overwhelming that I was doing nothing. Sometimes NOTHING, sometimes... Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:01:28 EST Going Backward - and Why (Part 1) Well, I updated my status a couple of days ago with the statement that I was going back to what worked before. The basic background is that the only thing working right now is that I walk far more than when I started my weight loss journey. But my weight is up 6 pounds, I've stopped doing any strength training, my eating is erratic and unplanned, and I'm getting next-to-nothing done around the house. So I took away my 40 pound loss trophy and gave back my 30, and I've begun to think about wha... Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:57:29 EST Hot Dog Critters for Supper! Grandson Erik and I made supper together tonight. And a good time was had by all! <img src="">Assembled <BR> <img src="">Ready to cook <BR> <img src="">Cooking <BR> <img src="">Served <BR> <img src=""> <img src="http://ph... Sat, 18 May 2013 23:17:07 EST It Wasn't a SparkBreak, But.... No, I didn't seem to be MIA. I still accrued lots of SparkPoints and Fitness Minutes. I tracked, and I did all the passive stuff like articles, videos, and that brief interaction called huddling. And I've always been one to take long walks when I wrestle with God and struggle through life. So points and minutes were easy to come by, but progress and peace have eluded me for too many weeks. <BR> <BR> There have been a lot of both reasons and excuses, and I've never been good at discerning th... Wed, 8 May 2013 12:40:36 EST Calories, Fats, Carbohydrates - Oh, My! Yesterday was not anything to be proud of, so I'm glad I already decided to be in this for the long haul. I didn't exactly binge, but I sure ate more than looked good on the tracker. <BR> <BR> I wasn't hungry after lunch, but I felt like eating. So I did. And then I felt like eating a little more, so I did that too. I'd planned my supper in advance, and I ate as planned. And then after I tracked, the shock hit. <BR> <BR> I was over on calories, over on fat, over on carbohydrates. I wasn'... Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:10:08 EST Abraham Left Mount Moriah Paul and I use Through Faith Alone, a collection of devotional s by Martin Luther. Yesterday's has caused me to do a lot of pondering. It's based on Genesis 22:19: "Then Abraham returned to his servants, and together they left for Beersheba. Abraham remained in Beersheba." <BR> <BR> Think about that! Abraham had just had a truly amazing religious experience! <BR> He had been willing to sacrifice Isaac; he had gone so far as even to have raised the knife. The story implies that Isaac had trus... Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:45:15 EST Team Challenge 1 Day #7 St. Patrick's Day - when Christians commemorate the man who used the shamrock (clover) to teach about the triune God. <BR> <BR> So today, I prepared the same menu that I always do for March 17. Oh, I know. I hear the nutrition purists among you clucking about the high fat and sodium content of corned beef. But this is TRADITION. And it is a TREAT. It's not my normal fare, and I planned the rest of the day around this meal. I choose not to track sodium, though I (mostly) make conscious choic... Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:04:52 EST Team Challenge - Day#6 Time for a breakfast post. One of my favorite breakfasts is lots of veggies, held together with scrambled eggs and topped with cheese. To call it a veggie omelette just wouldn't do justice! <BR> <BR> It's a whole cup of fresh spinach, 1 Tbsp scallions, 1/3 cup chopped mushrooms, 2Tbsp chopped peppers of whatever color I have on hand. 2 eggs and 1 oz of cheese. Plus 4 oz low sodium V-8. Three veggie servings in all. Relatively high fat, I know, so I don't do a lot of fats the rest of the day.... Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:49:34 EST Team Challenge - Day #5 Time for a lunch post! This one was not an unmitigated success, but it worked! <BR> I'd had a fairly high carb breakfast and was also planning supper to be higher than average, so I knew I needed to limit lunch to mostly protein and fat. Fortunately, my Mom always raised us with the mantra that "there's nothing wrong with leftovers; it's when they get to be leftover leftovers..." <BR> <BR> So I knew I'd be starting with those leftover cumin carrots from last night. <BR> Two veggie servings... Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:08:51 EST Team Challenge - Day 4 Just so no one gets confused, Day #3 was done as a thread on the Mid-Mo team page. Just a simple snack: one individually wrapped square of Ghiardhelli chocolate. <BR> <BR> So today will be a dinner meal. I roasted a whole organic chicken, along with two large baked potatoes. Toward the end of the oven time, I made Sautéed Cumin Carrots, a SparkPeople recipe. And, yes, I'll be discussing the recipe in our shared recipe thread on the team page. Suffice it to say here that if you like cumin as... Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:52:52 EST Team Challenge - Day #2 Today I'll share one of my favorite lunches, which could work equally well for breakfast. It's quick and easy to fix, and almost no clean-up. Just a cereal bowl, measuring cup , a fork, and a spoon! <BR> <BR> I mash a small banana in the bowl, using the fork. Add a cup of plain nonfat Greek yogurt (info based on Oikos), add a splash of vanilla extract, and sometimes a packet of Splenda. Mix it up and then stir in a cup of fresh blueberries. Of course, you could use unsweetened frozen berries... Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:12:51 EST Team Challenge One of the things our Mid-Mo Let's Go! Team has started is some challenges. Our first one was a virtual walk of the Katy Trail, and our goal was to complete it during January. Well, it took longer than that, so we ended up with five Monday-to-Sunday weeks dorm February through March and came up with five weekly challenges. Our first two were done on our team page, to commit to our 5 daily servings of freggies, and then to eat within our daily protein ranges. This one is probably best done wit... Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:22:34 EST How Many Is Too Many? And What To Do? I'm talking about SparkTeams and SparkFriends here, not potato chips - so it really is something I could use a few extra brain cells to help with. I know that your first thought is that this a decision that only I can make; and, of course, that is true. But perhaps some different perspectives will help me work this through. <BR> <BR> A month or so ago, I cut back on both my SparkTeams and SparkFriends because I was spending too much time on the computer. But now this spectre has again reare... Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:41:49 EST He wanted WHAT for breakfast? More of last night's "stewp"! Really? <BR> <BR> So let's start at the beginning. I've always thought it was Mom who coined the word "stewp"; at least I've never heard it outside of our family. She made the yummiest stuff on that back burner. Only now I do it in my crockpot. The preferred consistency around our house has always been somewhere between that of a creamed soup and stew. Hence, the name. <BR> <BR> It's never the same twice, because you use what you have. It does seem always to... Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:42:33 EST