NANCY-'s SparkPeople Blog NANCY-'s Blog on SparkPeople, home of free diet plans and a healthy living community New Boundaries Needed. Wow It's been a while since I last blogged. Oh so many possible excuses. My medications are still not quite right. So I've been out of sorts. Went to see the grandbabies. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> I've been a grandmother for two years already. Time surely does fly. <BR> <BR> So as far as my journey goes... I've been in limbo for a while. My weight hasn't really changed. Though my mindset is improving. In order to move forward I received ... Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:36:12 EST Spell Check / Brain Check needed Spell check is wonderful, it helped me realize that I am better than I thought I was at spelling. However spell check does not help when I use the wrong word Like in yesterdays use of sink instead of sync. I was mortified that my brain did that. Though I was thinking about doing dishes. :) <BR> Working with brain fog is not easy, but what is... is implementing the lessons I have learned since coming to SP. Getting frustrated by the fogginess, I have an intense desire to gnaw in the evening.... Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:05:12 EST Many Reasons/Excuses I have been quiet lately and not blogging. Let me count the ways why: <BR> 1. Came off a diabetes medication and my blood glucose rose quite a bit. So my brain has been a bit fuzzy. (it is no wonder why so many with diabetes are non-compliant, it is difficult to think straight.) <BR> 2. Adjusting (?) to new medication. Not to sure that it is working. <BR> 3. My son gave me the gift of a cold virus that has run for the usual 7-10 days. Stuffy head equals impaired cognitive ability. <BR> 4. Sp... Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:48:33 EST Supportive Environment. Being away has given me insight into what I need to do to create a supportive environment. I have to have the tools needed to do what I need to do. Just like having toothpaste and a toothbrush so I can brush my teeth. <BR> What is it that I want to support ... a healthy sustainable lifestyle. <BR> What does a healthy lifestyle look like to me? <BR> That is what I need to define. What do I want my habits to be. <BR> What do I need to support this lifestyle. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ... Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:52:47 EST Out of My Element Being away from home was great. Temptations and old habits were disrupted. <BR> My son was away on business. I got to visit with my wonderful DIL and play with my grandchildren. My 23 month old granddaughter has only two speeds, OFF and FAST, (Now I know the reason for menopause.) I got down on the floor and crawled around to be on her level. We read books, sang songs, went for walks. I could see her delight in splashing in puddles. (Mom took video of it for dad/) <BR> As for my 10 week ... Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:55:24 EST Mini Break, sort of. Been quiet, but busy preparing for a trip out to see my grandbabies. Maintained my exercise, need to work on remembering to mediate. It does help. As a substitute for the mediation I got my myself a soothing piano instrumental CD. It calms me and slows down my breathing. <BR> <BR> Getting out of my usual routine should help me gain fresh perspective. Help me become aware of the changes I have made and the changes yet to be made. <BR> <BR> I'll be lurking on SP with my tablet a bit, but my... Sat, 8 Mar 2014 09:03:52 EST Les Bons Temps Roulez! Let the Good Times Roll. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> We do like to enjoy life and celebrate in this house. So many celebrations focus on food. <BR> <em>236</em> <BR> Through SparkPeople I have been learning that you can still party with food without adverse effects by having healthy offerings. Healthy behaviors too. (I bought my beads when I was in New Orleans. Flashing didn't seem appropriate) <BR> <em>334</em> <BR> <BR> Red Beans ... Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:15:47 EST Reluctant Exerciser Oops I did it again! <BR> Did what? <BR> Exercised when I didn't want to. <BR> How can that be? <BR> First I have an alarm set on my cell phone. It gives me a 5 minute heads up that the "Classical Stretch" program is coming on PBS and I need to finish up what I am doing and get ready. <BR> Bemoaning: "But I don't feel like exercising." <BR> All right, I'll switch it on to see what is today's focus and then decide if I will exercise. The music starts and I'm like Pavlov's dog, Something s... Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:26:24 EST Focus Lately my focus has been on my son and his issue, (I tend to think his pacemaker is the cause of his issues) which is still not resolved. How I would love some closure, so we can take action and move on. Not having a diagnosis is frustrating. Do we accept what is? Where do we go from here? Too many unanswered questions without a diagnosis. <BR> Hiding my anxiety, has caused old habits to resurface, especially nighttime gnawing. Stuffing my face will not take the feeling away. <BR> I did ge... Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:56:35 EST Where is My Resolve? When times get tough I fall back on to old patterns. They are comfortable, familiar, self-soothing. <BR> What happened to all the progress, changes that I have made? Too new to be ingrained perhaps? <BR> JUST_TRI_IT says it well: "Every opportunity is a choice. Every choice is an opportunity." <BR> <BR> Now that I am on the mend and potential crisis with my son was actually nonexistent. It is time for me to get my act back together. <BR> <BR> JUST_TRI_IT's "More than a few gears" blog s... Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:49:32 EST Feeling Better That nasty virus is gone. <BR> <em>224</em> <BR> My son's chest is represented by the following image: <BR> <img src=""> <BR> After a visit with the pediatric cardiologist, he was given an all clear. The doctor believes it to be a chest muscle spasm. It was still very scary and perplexing to see his chest moving in such a prominent, rhythmic manner. I'm still wary about his situation, as my son is not very verbal and cannot explain ... Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:05:31 EST No Candy, but still have Heart Since the house is still infected, sweets would not fit the bill this Valentines Day. <BR> So how to show the love? <BR> <em>129</em> <BR> They say that chicken soup made with love is the best medicine. I just added heart shaped carrots coins. <BR> <img src="">(Not my soup, but looked good.) <BR> In the following video are two methods of getting the heart shape. <BR> <link> </link> <BR> The tr... Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:10:25 EST Thank You Your well wishes have helped me make better choices while being infected with this nasty virus. I did not succumb to saying... 'It's okay, I'm sick" <BR> I still exercised a bit, and being forced to venture out yesterday may have been the best thing. Getting out in the sunshine and moving about may have helped to oust this nasty bug that has invaded my body and home. Or it may have just run it's course... no matter. <BR> I'm just thankful to have all of your support and to be on the mend. ... Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:46:17 EST Chicken Soup My plans for going out to dinner for Valentine's Day are so done. Everyone in the house is ill. None of us would be able to enjoy it. So this year we are focusing on nurturing and healing. <BR> <BR> Normally I could care less about impending storms. If a storm is coming, plan accordingly. <BR> <BR> Dealing with illness and our cupboards being a bit lean, I must venture out to restock. Haven't driven since Friday and am a bit concerned about being dizzy, <BR> Thankfully I have a menu ... Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:05:44 EST Blame is a Disguise for Excuses. DSHONEYC rightly and ever so kindly stated that blame is just a disguise for excuses. <BR> It is an attempt to justify the shift of responsibility. Not my job, Not my fault. <BR> Even with a head that feels like it is about to explode... choices are all mine. <BR> My choice yesterday to curl up in a ball and sleep. My body was telling me I need to heal. <BR> My choice comforting carbs. Well that didn't go so well. My body already stressed from coming off a medication was dealing with hig... Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:49:54 EST "Would You Rather" game I could blame the cold <BR> I could blame my higher blood glucose levels <BR> I could blame.... <BR> Placing blame is not productive. Determining what is going on and then doing something about it is the road I need to take. There is always something that I CAN do. <BR> Being overwhelmed lately and not taking action just makes things more difficult. <BR> Having a sick child doesn't excuse me from making healthy food choices, getting in my exercise and mediation. Nor does it get my taxes don... Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:53:24 EST Experimentation Week 1 Summary Great news! <BR> I am continuing to sleep well though the night! <BR> I am sticking with my mediation and exercise. <BR> <BR> Not so great news. <BR> My a.m. reading have jumped about 40 points higher. <BR> I may have a fractured rib or at the very least, it is badly bruised. <BR> I haven't been back out to see my new grandson yet. <BR> <BR> So what's a girl to do? Move forward of course. <BR> Today starts the 28 day Engine 2 challenge. <BR> <link> Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:55:44 EST Pigskin Pig Out Rituals, not for me! Let me start off by saying I am not a football fan. I do not even begin to understand tailgating, pregame festivities, half time buffets. <BR> <em>281</em> <BR> I asked what time the game started and my hubby told me kickoff would be about 6:30. <BR> After dinner I thought. Then why does he want chips and dip, shrimp cocktail, wings, something for halftime and other munchies. Oh and we cannot forget the beer. <BR> <em>297</em> <BR> When did a game become about mindless consumption ... Sun, 2 Feb 2014 08:33:00 EST Experimentation So what's the experiment? For the next six weeks or so I am off one of my medications.(with dr. approval) This medication may be the source of my digestive issues. Since stopping, the last two nights have been great my digestive track did not wake me and I didn't need an antacid. <BR> <em>244</em> <BR> This medication helped control my blood glucose and the doctor reminded me that it also possibly helps with weight control. Being attentive to meal planning and what passes my lips will b... Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:42:10 EST Fat Loser Day 21 - Carry On What is more important than taking care of ourselves? Not much. <BR> It is so important to be vigilant as old bad habits are sneaky and will creep back into your life. Steve has shown us tools that we can use to succeed in attaining our goals. One of those tools is to remember our goal. With our goal in mind, when faced with temptation, we will more likely make choices to achieve our goal. <BR> What do I want more... a momentary pleasure or healthy lifestyle? <BR> <BR> This was a great e... Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:19:19 EST Fat Loser Day 20 - Perceptions and Plateaus Ah the dreaded plateau. You are putting in all this effort and no results or at least not the results you desire. Other stuff may be going on, but all that is focused on the the lack of movement on the scale. <BR> AAARRRRGGGHHH! <BR> Frustrating yes. Steve said that frustration and old habitual thinking is a serious threat to my success. "Stay tough and compliant you will get through," <BR> Visual the end game, if you throw in the towel you will not get to the end. <BR> So Hang Tough! Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:42:16 EST Fat Loser Day 19 - What Do I Believe... ...about food and exercise? <BR> As we know what we believe controls our actions. Steven asked us to list our top five beliefs about food and exercise and whether those beliefs are helpful. <BR> Thankfully one of my strongest beliefs is: <BR> ~ It's a lifestyle, a choice, my choice. ~ <BR> That belief is empowering to me, it helps direct my actions when faced with a choice. <BR> ~There are always options.~ <BR> This reminds me to look for solutions. Whether it be being prepared or thinking... Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:26:29 EST Fat Loser Day 18 - "Cause" of My Fatness So that's what I have been doing: Repairing the water damaged floor, instead of fixing the leaky roof. <BR> It's kind of like looking for love in all the wrong places. Unless you get to the real problem, you will just be spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. <BR> The Fat Loser is both simple and difficult. Getting to the true cause of my "fatness": it is what I believe. Really? That's all. Yes that is all. Beliefs are the cause... behavior is the effect. I believe that I can be healthy... Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:04:36 EST Fat Loser Day 17 - Habits? Ah yes Habits! <BR> Habits are what we choose. What we are accustomed too. <BR> Like getting up to a cup of coffee. Some habits are so ingrained that it is easy to forget, that it is what we chose in the first place. <BR> <BR> Really? Yes really! That is the good news. Since it is what we chose, we can "un"choose it. We have the power and control. We truly do. Just remember it takes practice, lots of practice. <BR> It can be done. <BR> <BR> It reminds me of "Goody Two Shoes" by Adam A... Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:17:03 EST Fat Loser Day 16 - Critical Thinking Steve Siebold- "We made ourselves fat and now we're fixing it." <BR> <BR> Steve is truthfully blunt. I've always tended to be a bit more tactful and diplomatic but not sugar coat it. <BR> He wants us to be aware of how we are thinking and encourages us to become more logic based. For an emotional eater, this is quite a challenge, just to see things as they truly are. <BR> With proper assessment, knowing what action needs to be taken becomes clearer. <BR> <BR> In some areas of my healt... Tue, 21 Jan 2014 10:59:06 EST Fat Loser Day 15 - Reframing Steve stated: <BR> Make your decisions with logic and <BR> motivate yourself with emotion, <BR> never mix the two. <BR> <BR> This lesson is what I need to work on. <BR> Oh, how I wish I had done Day 15 yesterday... I would have avoided a last night snack. The good news is I can see how the application would have worked. <BR> Instead of justifying(emotion), I just need to change my perception(logic). <BR> Using justification to make my decision is like have the devil sitting on my should... Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:24:01 EST Fat Loser Day 14 - Approval? Yesterday's topic about sexual energy was interesting. I have my own opinions and have chosen not to post about it because I need to hone my focus on my mental toughness. <BR> <BR> Okay now that that is out of the way, today is all about approval. The only approval I need is my own. Life is all about changes. <BR> I'm an advocate for families of children and adults with disabilities and have found that what I say may not be liked. If it is what I feel is right, then I do not care what ot... Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:43:17 EST Fat Loser Day 12 - Behavior follows belief. Thinking like a child puts the responsibility elsewhere. <BR> "It's not my fault!" "He did it!" "I'm in pain" "I'm not feeling well." <BR> Oh yes ... I have excuses. And I believed them. There may have been some kernel of truth to them, Doing the blame game leaves it for others to fix it for me. I need to fix it for myself. <BR> When we grow up and take responsibility, we can take action and move forward. Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:15:39 EST Fat Loser Day 11 - I Believe... So much to think about... <BR> Steve stated: Reprogram your belief system, actions with your new beliefs will follow. <BR> <BR> Change your beliefs and you can change your life. It is true for me. <BR> I quit smoking for three months gaining 10 pounds a month and believed that I would keep gaining so I started smoking again. Then I was told if I had only hung in there for another month, my body would have adjusted and I would stop gaining. Guess what... that was the truth. A total of 60... Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:44:11 EST Day 8 FatLoser - Emotions Steve certainly does not mince words. <BR> "Operate in reality." <BR> "Emotion clouds judgement." <BR> "Take control of your emotions." <BR> Uh duh!!! Sugar coating reality doesn't help me. I have to face things as they truly are if I want to make changes. Being an emotional creature, removing the emotion is difficult and something I need to work on. <BR> It is, what it is. It is a fact, not an emotion. Just like testing my blood glucose is a snapshot in time. Sure it may be good or bad,... Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:02:42 EST How Lucky Am I That I Have a Choice Taking my son to swim practice I drove past several fast food joints. It was icy out and I was a bit stressed. Starbuck's, two Dunkin Donuts, and many more were one the route. Temptation abounded. I did want something sweet. Doughnut, no, that would not satisfy me. Cinnamon bun, nope that won't do it either. Temptation was flashing before me. But you know what ... I did not really want any of it. I wanted something healthier. Fresh fruit, that's the ticket. <BR> <BR> Not really realizing w... Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:57:41 EST Few Days Into 2014 and I'm Completely Overwhelmed. - The joy of a new baby. <BR> - Holiday letdown. <BR> - Pile of of stuff put off for later. (now it's LATER) <BR> - New change notifications. <BR> - More STUFF to be addressed. <BR> - Too many opportunities. This Challenge, THAT program. Too many paths to chose from. <BR> <BR> Calgon, take me away! <BR> <link> </link> <BR> <BR> My emotions are flooding me into inaction. <BR> <BR> " Put some distance between yourself <BR> and whatever is concerning y... Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:52:10 EST My Highest Priority... ...should be me. <BR> With the arrival of my new grandson, everything for me flew out the window and I forgot to take care of me. Yes this is an old habit of mine to put my needs last. <BR> <BR> I should honor the commitments to myself. Taking the time to schedule my needs. What are my needs. <BR> Exercise <BR> Meditation <BR> Food <BR> <BR> Exercise <em>311</em> <BR> Benefits- gets the blood and endorphins flowing, keep me warm, makes me happy <BR> Make it happen: <BR> Schedule an app... Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:08:07 EST There's a new guy in my life and I'm in Love! Here is the newest member of our family. It was worth the wait. Both Momma and baby are doing well. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> It was worth it to drop everything for him. My husband, middle son and I packed quickly and left New Year's Day for Syracuse. Hearing that baby breath, I could not help but fall in love with that little big boy, 8 pounds 8 ounces and 22 inches long. <BR> My son with his son. :) <BR> <img src="http://photos-ak.sp... Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:48:56 EST He's Here!!! and Welcome 2014! My grandson arrived yesterday afternoon bouncing in at 8 pounds 8 ounces, Do not have any more details but will get them when I see the big boy later today. I cannot wait to hold him. <BR> <BR> I'm starting off 2014. by throwing my plans out the window. Now that doesn't mean everything is out the window. But my plans to expand my horizons are on hold until I get back home. <BR> <BR> Happy And Healthy 2014, everyone!!!! Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:57:10 EST More Regulations? Warning labels for Junk Food? Today's Op-Ed piece "Five Myths about Obesity" by Deborah Cohen got me thinking. Would more regulations and warning labels help me fight obesity? <BR> Alright, it's not all about the genes, but in my case, controlling weight is about is about behavior and sure the labels might help. But I do have the addiction to sugar and fat, regulation is not going to stop me. <BR> <link><BR>-myths-about-obesity/2013/12/27/cd7f5b<BR>3a-69c4-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.... Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:58:10 EST I identified with this Santa. Ah the drive and determination.... <BR> <em>446</em> <em>443</em> <BR> <link><BR>istmas-video.html </link> <BR> <BR> I just need to apply that kind of intent with such vigor to my healthy lifestyle. <BR> <em>460</em> <em>446</em> <em>460</em> <em>446</em> <em>460</em> <BR> <BR> <em>187</em> Still awaiting the arrival. Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:49:07 EST Only two more years... Two days ago was my birthday and of course it included a bit of reflection. With only two years to go until 60 (((YIKES!!!))) I've been on this journey for a while... <BR> <BR> How far I have come? Am I there yet? <BR> Last question first: I am not there yet, nor will I ever be, because this is a JOURNEY. Stuff changes and I change too. Yep there is no stopping the clock about getting older. Sure my needs change, but I shall continue to move forward because giving up is not an option. I wan... Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:17:45 EST Expectations I was expecting my little grandson to make his appearance by now as his sister was two weeks early. His due date is Christmas, but I hope he arrives on the 19th, my birthday. <BR> <BR> Sometimes we can control things, sometimes we cannot. This holiday season I have been falling back into old habits. Not as bad as usual, so the optimist should be happy with that. The pessimist thinks I should do better. Truth be told I can do better especially with food. <BR> During my recovery I have done ... Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:50:39 EST Ah... Challenges! More has been added to my "To Do" list. <BR> <BR> "we CHOOSE ... <BR> regardless of our circumstances" <BR> This is my theme. <BR> I am happy that my youngest is okay even though my car is totaled. <BR> My friend PRAIRIECROCUS posted "What If..." <link><BR>urnal_individual.asp?blog_id=5563270 </link> <BR> <BR> Seeing her post reminded me that it is always my choice on how I act or react. Sometimes those challenges are opportunities in disguise. While... Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:36:19 EST Consistency, Commitment to ME made. With all the hustle and bustle of the season, illnesses, changes of the weather there is always some excuse to abandon consistency in our healthy habits. <BR> <BR> However I have impressed myself, by staying mostly on course. That is due to scheduling. Making the time for me, no matter what comes my way. <BR> <BR> I have scheduled my exercise, my mediation and my meal planning. Notice I said "my". Yes I have taken ownership, those are just for me. Sure you can join me, but I do these beca... Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:23:17 EST Stress Eating? There’s A Bra For That. What a concept!!! Just when you think they cannot invent anything else along comes.... a BRA! This was just too amusing or should I say strange not to share. <BR> <link><BR>tress-eating-theres-a-bra-for-that.html </link> <BR> What will Mircosoft come up with next? <BR> Enjoy your day. Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:45:56 EST Distractions Saturday morning I check my blood glucose and it was almost 100 points higher than what I am accustomed to seeing. A couple hours I started choking and ended up with petechiae all over my face. (Just call me Spot) The experience left me exhausted and I spent most of the day recovering. I didn't get much done. <BR> Sunday, my blood glucose was only 90 points higher. What is going on with my body, it something wrong with my meter. No, nothing was wrong with the meter. Put another stressor on my... Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:20:54 EST But It's The Holidays That is my excuse for not moving forward right now on my journey toward a healthier lifestyle. Yesterday I received a dreaded scheduled phone call from the dietitian. Oh crap this is going to be a waste of time and make me feel lousy about not being perfect with my eating over Thanksgiving. <BR> Instead I found her focusing on my successes over the weekend and since we last spoke. Then she talked about what next steps I wanted to address. (But it's the holidays, I thought to myself. How can ... Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:56:17 EST My Gift My blogging has fallen by the wayside. With so much to do, choices needed to be made as to which I would temporarily let go of. <BR> Finding balance is challenge but one that can be managed. Setting priorities helped me decide where I could cut back. <BR> Healthy eating- No, Need to keep this in focus <BR> Exercise - a bit, but not much <BR> Mediation - need this for sanity <BR> Coming to SP to visit and support my SP friends = need this too. <BR> Blog - ah reflection, that is needed but ... Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:41:00 EST Payoffs Ah, it is that time of year for great expectations. It would be very easy to say I am not stressing, but that is no true. I'm learning to let go and not stress, but old habits die hard. <BR> On the upside I have been honoring my commitment to doing Classical Stretch and meditating. <BR> I think both have helped curb some of my stress eating. <BR> <BR> Granted I'm no spring chicken, but I ain't dead yet. What has surprised me was I was able to wipe down my walls with ease. Fluid movement wa... Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:57:53 EST "Should You Skip Your Workout Today?" That is the first thing I saw in my email after I decided to skip my workout today. What??? It is some sort of cosmic plot... how was it known that I was going to blow off my exercise before even I did. <BR> "Should You Skip Your Workout Today?" <BR> Imagine my shock upon seeing that subject line. I felt like a reprimanded child. Even the mediation for today was about intention. "I create my reality." <BR> <BR> My workout is part of my healthy lifestyle, it is a priority. I need to make ... Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:27:20 EST Don't Quit, Because You Think It Is Not Working Be patient with the process of change. <BR> <BR> Sometimes we think something is not working but we just need to give it some time. According to my doctor I have lost 10 pounds over the last year. So what I have I done...Focused on making changes in my lifestyle. Did the weight fly off, no, but the weight did NOT fly on either, it was creepy, slow and subtle. What I have found is that consistently doing the healthy thing will have the same slow and subtle effects, but it will be what I desi... Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:57:55 EST Always Last On The List? Problem / Solution - Step 6 Plan & Execute "Set time boundaries, creating space for yourself to preserve your inner balance." - Paula Eder <BR> <BR> In addition to committing, putting me on my schedule is necessary too. If I'm not on the schedule then how is it going to happen if I do not make time for it. We do it for our kids and husbands, we need to do it for ourselves too. It is time to honor myself and carve out the time I need, time to nurture myself. <BR> Is this selfish? Once upon a time I thought it was, but now I am older... Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:15:29 EST Commitments Changing attitude, perspective makes it easier for me to commit to new ways of doing things. Sometimes committing to just trying something new for a few days opens my eyes and changes my beliefs. <BR> Exercise <BR> Doing the pool, walking the mile, doing classical stretch. All this makes me feel good. I'll continue to explore new venues for exercise, who knows what I may find that I like. <BR> <BR> Food and Eating <BR> Trying out a vegan diet helped show me healthier ways of cooking, altere... Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:51:23 EST