BOSS61's SparkPeople Blog BOSS61's Blog on SparkPeople, home of free diet plans and a healthy living community Days of Yore Summer Camp, 1972. <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> Our bunk of 11-year-old boys goes on a hike and winds up in town. We pool our limited money and find we have exactly, to the penny, enough to split two pizzas and a pitcher of Coke. (Yes, we were bad Sparkies). We order and the food comes. <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> . <BR> The check comes too, and to our horror we learn that we... Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:41:53 EST Living Long and Prospering (Perhaps as an Ostrich) Remember me? This is not about nutrition, exercise, or weight loss. Oh, I need less, more and more respectively. There, it's a Spark blog. With that out of the way... <BR> <BR> *** <BR> <BR> In the wake of Leonard Nimoy's recent passing, the Washington Post ran an interesting article today, about extra-terrestrial life. <BR> . <BR> Do we want to try to communicate with aliens, make peaceful contact, and perhaps benefit from their knowledge, technology and resources? Or, conversely, mig... Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:21:30 EST I Had a Dream (Too; MLK is Not Alone) In the spirit of MLK Day, I too had a dream. Last night in fact. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> In my dream, Susan and i own a restaurant. Like many restaurant owners, we're living paycheck to paycheck, constantly imperiled by fickle customers, unfair reviews, competition, credit and solvency issues largely beyond our capability to resolve. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> One day we learn that a com... Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:08:37 EST Story of the Green Cheese Ball As some of you may recall from having read some of my historic Spark blogs, my Dad was a professional chef before I was born. He had gone to culinary school on the GI Bill after World War II. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Although he left the restaurant industry before I was born, this training and experience meant that food in our home, while I was growing up, was nothing short of delectable. Surely this contributed to why I am now here, con... Thu, 1 Jan 2015 19:46:38 EST Rules: 1st Annual Sparkpeople Ugly Holiday Sweater Contest <img src=""> <BR> <BR> We've all seen them. We've gotten them. We've given them. Yep; ugly holiday sweaters. <BR> <BR> Now we have a better use for them: the 1st Annual SparkPeople Ugly Holiday Sweater Contest. <BR> <BR> No cost to enter. Everyone can play. Here are the rules: <BR> <BR> 1. Take a picture of someone you know personally, wearing an ugly holiday sweater. Alternatively, have someone take a picture of you, or ... Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:22:28 EST Ick, Yuck and Blech! <img src=""> <BR> Overnight one of my Facebook friends posted that she tried cooking Brussels Sprouts for the first time and that they came out really good. On further research and clicking-through on her FB status, I found that she fried bacon-wrapped Brussels Sprouts, which then were submerged in melted cheese, fondue style. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Any fellow Sparky knows full well ... Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:48:28 EST Dicephering Elton John's Lyrics <img src=""> <BR> Ever tried to sing along to Goodbye Yellowbrick Road? Bennie and the Jets? Think you know the words? (without the album liner - that is cheating). <BR> <img src=""> <BR> How about The Rolling Stones - Mick Jagger and a mouthful of marbles! Bruce Springsteen - often the same problem... <BR> <img src=""> <... Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:08:43 EST Voyeurism at the Gym <img src=""> <BR> First things first, get your filthy mind out of the gutter. This is not a blog about that. Now that we have a basic understanding of what this blog is not about… <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Admit it; at the gym many of us are indeed voyeuristic in that we look at other people when there. Some of us look at their clothing, hair, exercise gear, makeup maybe, what have... Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:44:40 EST Poster Boy For Spark (Who Knew?) Rarely do I trouble myself with the boring minutiae of being a member here, like reading Spark Mail. Today, for whatever reason, I happened to read the latest from the propagandists who get paid to be here: how it is beneficial to exercise in the morning. <BR> <BR> So by hook or by crook, and completely by accident, I actually do something right from a healthfulness perspective. Who knew? Want to know how? Remember, like all things Spark, if I can do it, anybody can. Weekdays... <BR> ... Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:18:29 EST Running For President - At Your and My Expense? Suppose an incumbent governor of a state (that shall remain nameless) harbors presidential aspirations. Hypothetically speaking, of course. Suppose the citizenry of that state elected him to govern the state, not to run for President. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> . <BR> Suppose that rather than executing the duties for which he was elected, he travels the country and even the world, extensively, and gives speeches and otherwise campaigns for c... Sat, 1 Nov 2014 08:06:44 EST Dear Mr. Keurig: Dear Mr. Keurig: <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> We scientists greatly enjoy your fancy, programmable new coffee-making gizmo in our break room at the office. Caffeine now has mixed with our insatiable curiosity to wonder the following: <BR> <img src=""> <BR> . <BR> <img src=""> <BR> 1. Is the 6-oz cup of coffee of equal stren... Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:52:33 EST Why Not Track? In a Word... <img src=""> <BR> <BR> Why not, in a word? Why not what, I hear you ask. (You’ve read two sentences and have not yet deleted me as a Spark Friend for reasons unknown, so you may as well read on). <BR> <BR> If you are reading this and you are a perfect Sparky, always tracking all of your nutrition, always staying in range, every morsel in gets written down or otherwise recorded, read on. This blog is not for you. Complain to Spark G... Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:45 EST Designing the Mathematicallly Perfect Baseball Schedule <img src=""> <BR> <BR> Just in case you still had any doubt as to who is the geekiest person on your Spark Friend feed (and this has nothing to do with Spark. Machevellian weight loss and fitness folks - this blog is not for you. Move on now. Delete me too. High time, after all) ... For the rest of you time-wasters and procrastinators, I present the mathematically perfect baseball schedule. Here we go. Parameters: 30 teams, 162 game... Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:00:23 EST Workout Music in the 21st Century ("A Horse is a Horse...") <img src=""> <BR> <BR> You knew that sooner or later this day would come. Over nine months of radio silence is over, as not unlike Mr. Ed, I have something to say. Today's blog-worthy topic is workout music. (Yes, those of you who remember me from the olden days when Sparky was but a toddler, know that workout music was an oft-visited blog topic. And for those of you who only wish to read about successes and failures of the eternal... Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:24:22 EST Autopilot Behind the Wheel of the Caravan You knew this day was coming,. It is here. And you will be just fine. <BR> <BR> The ladies who sit in the front row of the Caravan - I call them collectively the Sisterhood - and they know full well who they are - worry about me. They think I need to blog for my psychological well being, and to stop cold turkey will work about as well as stopping cold turkey does with anything else. I tell them not to worry and that I am fine. They do not believe me. <BR> <BR> Those of you with whom ... Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:07:03 EST Dating Rejection Deja vu - The Next Generation As I close my failed experiment with blogging here (yes, ECOAGE, yet another farewell), I've reflected back on the odd, humorous, pointless and occasionally poignant missives with which I may have wasted your time. One of my most heartfelt was September 23 of this year, when I explained the challenges (and my permanent anger) that a lifetime of obesity have meant for me, socially. If you missed it (or are too new a Sparkfriend), here you go: <BR> <BR> <link> Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:56:13 EST Darmok - Or All the Calories She Had Had Had Had With just a few days to go until the no-blogging resolution takes hold, nothing like going out with a bang, huh? <BR> <BR> The most thought-provoking and conversation-elucidating Star Trek episode all time, by far, was a story from Season Five of "The Next Generation" called Darmok. Our intrepid Space-farers, living in a future where there simply was no obesity (see it's a Spark blog) encounter a powerful alien species and endeavor to communicate. The aliens are chatty enough (they have hav... Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:08:55 EST How to Delete a Privatized Spark Friend's Page Ever peruse your own list of Spark Friends? Ever see that some people are not clickable, and that you cannot view their page as you once have? This is because they have taken their pages private, which is their prerogative and also is yours. Many people opt for the social media side of Sparkpeople, but also many do not. Increasingly, some play with the social media side for awhile, tire of it or come to be creeped out by people like me, and elect to adjust their settings and privatize. <... Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:56:22 EST Putting Words to My Gym Routine I made this up. It's probably inefficient. Anyway, here goes. <BR> <BR> I typically go every weekday morning, unless weather, work or family commitments (carpool) preclude. Today was an "A" day at the gym. I have A. B. C and D days. Weekends I do not go. Family time. The letter signifies which piece of cardio equipment I spend the first 45 minutes upon: <BR> <BR> A - Elliptical <BR> B - Arc-Trainer (the kind with both arms and legs in motion) <BR> C - Cross-trainer <BR> D - Any of the ot... Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:36:27 EST Nature or Nurture? Today marks my second Spark-versary. The arrival of this date, and the approach of the New Year, has found me newly contemplative of my Sparky existence in recent days, as many of you now have seen. <BR> <BR> I have culled the herd of seemingly inactive (former?) SparkFriends from the middle and back row seats of the Dodge Gran Caravan (Feb 5, 2012 blog), and have determined to Spark forward with 175ish of you. Newbies always welcome but be forewarned – being my SparkFriend is quite the mi... Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:51:53 EST 90% Quit Sparkpeople in 3 Years or Less? As many of you know, one of my 2014 NY resolutions is not to blog. This, accordingly, is one of the last. Not blogging will give me more time for things like tracking nutrition, exercising and tracking that too, and interacting more meaningfully with (by present accounting) 174 of you. Only 174? Yesterday it was 217. Three days ago it was 358. What happened? Hang on... <BR> <BR> In the course of redefining my presence here, and that I need to focus on my own weight loss more and being a one... Wed, 25 Dec 2013 07:15:23 EST Why People Quit Sparkpeople As many of you know, one of my 2014 NY resolutions is not to blog. This, accordingly, is one of the last. Not blogging will give me more time for things like tracking nutrition, exercising and tracking that too, and interacting more meaningfully with 217ish of you. Only 217? Hang on... <BR> <BR> In the course of redefining my presence here, and that I need to focus on my own weight loss more and being a one-man amusement park less, I came to read the Spark pages of all of my 358 Spark frien... Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:59:51 EST Some Presents For You (Vol I) My 2014 New Year's Resolution is no Spark Blogs. <BR> <BR> I need to focus on tracking, losing weight, my business, my family, my life, etc. But before I go, I've taken a little time to bestow some holiday presents on you all. <BR> <BR> With kindness* to fellow caravan members (you remember that one, right?), here is the first batch: <BR> <BR> * Kindness = We won't get upset, right? <BR> <BR> ***** <BR> <BR> Maryann2323 (a.k.a. Ginger) – An extra month between November and December, t... Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:47:06 EST How to Change Beer Into Sparky Water Sam Adams. Brewer and Patriot. Sam would be proud to see his name bandied about in sports bars and like places, from sea to shining sea. Of course, the problem is this: beer and similar potent potables as Alex Trebek calls them, are materially lacking in Sparky benefit. Translation: there are calories in them-thar brewskis. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> But particularly around the holidays or more generally in football system, beer becom... Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:03:23 EST Guaranted to Make You Cry Just watch this. Watch it. All of it. Do it now. <BR> <BR> <link><BR>hristmas-stunt-passengers/ </link> <BR> <BR> You will not be sorry. I guarantee it. <BR> <BR> Happy Holidays to all of you. Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:35:49 EST "_______ Are Killing America" This headline greeted me in my inbox, this morning. The noun in the blank is less important (I did not even remotely agree) than what it COULD be. <BR> <BR> Imagination time, Sparkpeople! Help fill in the blank. Comments please! <BR> <BR> **** <BR> <BR> Some Sparky ideas: "Donuts" "Trans-Fats" "Desserts" "Refined Sugars" "Red Meats" <BR> <BR> My Helpful Facebook Friends Added: "Reality Shows" "Killer Bees" "Wal-Mart Execs" and "Banks" <BR> <BR> Coworkers/Employees Co... Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:54:43 EST Dissection of my Flawed Gym Routine Every morning I'm up before dawn and the three of us (me, myself, and I) hop into the car and head to the gym. I work hard at the gym and usually perspire in buckets. <BR> <BR> I use a heart monitor and thus, to date, remain a blogger rather than a sad Sparky statistic. Ever wonder exactly what happened to all your old Sparky friends who seem to have vanished? Hopefully they all are still of this world. Hard to tell with certainty. I have roughly 400 Spark friends. Over 300 seem never to b... Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:08:03 EST Dear Elderly Neighbors: Dear Elderly Neighbors: <BR> <BR> You are welcome for your clean driveways and walks. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> With our snow blower, it really was no problem and we are happy to be neighborly, as we hope others may when we garner your years of experience. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Oh, by the way, we do accept fresh-baked (Spark-compliant, of course) pies as remuneration. <BR> <img sr... Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:10:21 EST Me, Myself and I Grammar. The Queen's English. <BR> <BR> Sparkfriends, with great kindness I must tell you that this son-in-law of an English teacher cringes, not uncommonly, at some the faux pas I see in your statuses, blogs and photo captions. <BR> <BR> I know fully that you all are brilliant; each and every one of you. You simply would not be here, and would not have mastered the trackers, and would use the social media side of Spark, if otherwise. Your scintillating intelligance shines through, a l... Mon, 9 Dec 2013 06:23:11 EST Frozen Bunny Tartar ***Warning: Not for the Super Squeamish*** <BR> <BR> Thursday we grilled turkey outdoors as we always do, on our elevated deck. We accidentally spilled some gravy (about a cup, volumetrically) carrying the bird inside, which then froze albeit in a slick if tasty way. In a rush with lots of family arriving, we forgot about it. Once we beat Pittsburgh, that was all that mattered. <BR> <BR> No issues all weekend. We forgot about the spill some more. <BR> <BR> This morning on daybreak, we had... Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:14:16 EST Stop Everything and Read TRIANGLE-WOMAN's Nov 7th Blog Right Now You have been warned that I am a bad Spark friend. Every last one of you, who chose to link to me, has been duly warned of what a one-sided self-congratulatory louse I am. One of my horrible Spark-friend characteristics is that I seldom comment on your blogs. I read them often enough and I get they are important to you. <BR> <BR> I never before have used this vehicle, my blogs (and their ill-deserved popularity) to reblog another Spark friend's blog. As Captain Spock famously told Lieu... Sun, 1 Dec 2013 07:12:39 EST Stupid Simple Berry Cobbler Recipe (Sparky Compliant Too) If I read it on Facebook, it must be true... <BR> <img src=""> <BR> What you need: two 12-oz bags of frozen berries, one box of dry white cake mix (not the pudding kind), and 1 can of clear diet soda. Diet Sierra Mist, Diet 7UP or Diet Sprite all work. Fresca might work too. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> 1. Place frozen fruit in a 9x13 baking dish. I'd spray it first with Pam, but that's... Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:37:25 EST Thanksgivikuh Recipe - Grilled Turkey A'La Orange Grilled Thanksgiving Turkey A La’Orange - Sixteen Easy Steps <BR> <BR> The key advantages of this approach to the traditional thanksgiving turkey are that (1) indoor oven space is conserved and (2) the heat of the long-duration roasting is kept out of the kitchen. <BR> <BR> What you need in addition to the turkey: fridge space, propane grill with spare propane tank, large disposable roasting pan, large cutting board at least as large as the bottom of the roasting pan, Crisco or similar shor... Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:03:24 EST A Short Thanksgiving Note A short blog from me? Maybe. <BR> <BR> Per our usual, we are the home team for Thanksgiving. As I type this from the office, Thing One and Thing Two are helping Susan818127 convert our humble kitchen into a banquet hall seating close to 20 this year. Yes, metaphorically speaking, we are Beating to Quarters and Clearing for Action. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> It's good to be the home team. Traveling around T-Day sucks, and we know just h... Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:43:05 EST The Final Frontier Diet. Exercise. Nutrition. Healthfulness. (There, it's a Spark-relevant blog). <BR> <BR> Now onto the important stuff. Space. I love space. I wanted to be an astronaut as a kid. There was no bigger fan of NASA in the 1960s and early 1970s, not related to an astronaut and not benefiting economically (LBJ...) than me. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Gemini VI and Gemini VII had their famous first-ever rendezvous in space in December 196... Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:38:24 EST Facebook Is a Stupid Idiot <img src=""> <BR> This blog was not intended to be about Facebook. Now that I have it composed in MS Word and ready to cut-and-paste, I find that that damn Blue F has permeated my brain, again. After all (the hyperlink is worth it, I promise you), Facebook is a stupid idiot. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> At some point over a year ago, for reasons both unscientific and unfathomable, I bec... Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:46:33 EST 19 Signs You are a Picky Eater Genetics. Or Environment. Or in this case, both. <BR> <BR> Many of you have commented that Thing 2 looks like me. Guess what? Thing1, IS me. In a teenage girl granted, but she is me. Read on... <BR> <BR> She just posted to Facebook (if it's not FB worthy it does not exist, from her perspective), a hyperlink to a blog about being a picky eater. She certainly is a picky eater and she gets it from me. Her Mom, the much nicer/sweeter/kinder/smarter side of our family, SUSAN818127 here... Sat, 9 Nov 2013 19:29:18 EST Throwback Thursday - A New Sparkpeople Trend The latest Facebook game (or a the latest as of a year ago, I raise not-trendy to an art form) is to post a picture of one's self from long ago. Doing so on a Thursday, is called "Throwback Thursday." <BR> <BR> So here I am, endeavoring to launch a trend on Spark: post a pic of yourself from days gone by. Here is mine, and if you look carefully, you can see my need-for-being-here-among-you, even then: <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> I ... Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:52:51 EST "For Every Thing, There is a First Time" I could blog about weight loss (good progress again), daily workouts at the gym (intense and successful), drinking my water (Quack like a duck), tracking nutrition (reasonable if not persnickety perfect), but those blogs are a dime a dozen here. Spark needs a special page, instead for... <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Parenthood. Teachable moments. Fresh off Thing 2 buying us a plate glass window at an orthodontist's office whether we wanted... Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:49:21 EST "For Every Thing, There is a First Time" - Spock, to Saavik... I could blog about weight loss (good progress again), daily workouts at the gym (intense and successful), drinking my water (Quack like a duck), tracking nutrition (reasonable if not persnickety perfect), but those blogs are a dime a dozen here. Spark needs a special page, instead for... <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Parenthood. Teachable moments. Fresh off Thing 2 buying us a plate glass window at an orthodontist's office whether we wanted... Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:49:19 EST Egos, Teens and Genders Oh My Ours is an interesting house, sometimes, chock full of an endless treasure trove of new experiences. We have two "Irish Twins" teens, 17 months apart. You all have come to know them as Thing 1 and Thing 2. The latest doings for the Things is that now both have their respective learner's permit. Sparky Marylanders reading this: seat-belt and helmet time. Think I'm kidding? <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> Thing 1 is disinterested in... Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:31:59 EST Go Back, Jack, Do it Again (Workout Music Quiz Game No. 9) Recognize that as the opening lyric of a classic rock song? Maybe a good tune for a workout? If you don't, you should. You all loved this game last weekend; here is another one. This one differs slightly; the bell-shaped curve of time site squarely on about 1974 (this is a hint). (and hey JUNEPA - Hold your horses on the bean-spilling this time, OK?) <BR> <BR> Anyway, once again, I reformatted and reloaded ye olde mp3 player that lives its life at the bottom of my gym bag. Yes. it's waterpr... Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:38:47 EST Getting the Most Out of Your Walk-Out - 7 Tips Far be it for me to post a how-to blog about the technique of some basic form of exercise. Sparky is chock full of how-do blogs and videos from authoritative sources, such as "Coach Nicole" and her minions. You expect more from me. Rightfully so. More pointedly, you do not need such drivel from the likes of me. You certainly don't need non-expert advice. So why are you even reading this? <BR> <BR> This news story from the non-Spark health-and-nutrition internet (yes, that does still exis... Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:27:03 EST In Which State Should You Live (Short, Interesting Quiz) This probably has nothing to do with Spark, but I found this fascinating. <BR> <BR> Here is a quiz that asks a few basic personality questions. Based on your responses, it tells you in which State you should live. (Canadian and overseas Sparkies, the Ugly Americans once again are self-centered, but you are accustomed to that). <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> Here it is. Post your results below. <BR> <BR> <link> Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:29:06 EST Please Allow Me to Introduce Myself; I'm a Man of Wealth and Taste Recognize that as the opening lyric of a classic rock song? Maybe a good tune for a workout? If you don't, you should. <BR> <BR> Once again, I reformatted and reloaded ye olde mp3 player that lives its life at the bottom of my gym bag. Yes. it's waterproof and in the summer I swim with it too. I love exercise BECAUSE of the music and I would hate it viscerally if I did not have music. Maybe your exercise music needs a refresher or update? Maybe you don't pay enough attention to whateve... Sat, 26 Oct 2013 06:43:38 EST Conflicts of Interest in the Weight Loss Biz Proving again that Google News about “diet and weight loss” is an unending treasure trove of interesting and off-beat news tidbits, today I learned of a proposed business transaction of potential interest to the average Sparky. It interested me, but I am a business owner. It should interest you too. Well, maybe anyway. Bear with me… <BR> <link><BR>le-seen-putting-jenny-craig-on-the-blo<BR>ck/?_r=0 </link> <BR> So, what comes to mind when you think o... Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:29:09 EST Technology Begets Obesity “What a fascinating modern world in which we live.” – Captain John “Lucky Jack” Aubrey, HMS Surprise, 1801, when beholding a French sailing warship of more advanced design. <BR> <img src=""> <BR> Our modern world is indeed fascinating and is sorely dependent on technology and energy to make it so. Earlier this week after arriving at the office by car from my morning at the gym, I found that my aging Dell desktop computer had given up i... Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:45:30 EST The Best Things in Life are Free - Handy Internet Tips I hate internet ads. I see few if any, ever. No reason you need to see any either. Here goes: <BR> <BR> Well, SparkPeople, of course. If you are inundated by the ads here, here are step-by-step instructions for enjoying the completely ad-free experience I see: <BR> <BR> <link><BR>urnal_individual.asp?blog_id=5341129 </link> <BR> <BR> It's easy, possible and so much more, well, uncluttered. These steps also will minimize if not eliminate advertisin... Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:37:49 EST The Unpopularity of Congress - A New Poll So a new poll is out. Is there not always a new poll? <BR> <BR> A new poll is out, as we await word of a resolution to the shutdown, the debt ceiling and other political matters irrelevant to Spark (you chose to be my Spark friend, despite multiple warnings not to be, remember?). The new poll finds that most Americans have a more favorable view of the following than they do of the current Congress: <BR> <BR> 1. witches <BR> <BR> 2. hemorrhoids <BR> <BR> 3. jury duty; and <BR> <BR> 4.... Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:18 EST What Was Your Favorite Year - and Why? Mick Jagger perhaps said it best: Time Waits for No One." <BR> <BR> <img src=""> <BR> <BR> We've all been around the sun a bunch of times. Some of those trips were better than others. What was your favorite, and why? <BR> <BR> Initially and because of family history (yes, I still will blog about my Dad sometime), my instinct was 1945. Good defeating evil on the battlefields of Europe and the Pacific, etc. Of course, I did not per... Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:52:46 EST