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Am I out of line to be FUMING about this?

Friday, April 13, 2012

Flippin' jury duty. I got a summons that arrived the day after the deadline it listed to enroll online. That was annoying, but the online sign-up actually was still open. However, I can't serve. I work adjunct hourly jobs where if I miss work, I don't get paid and I might even have to pay a substitute out of my own pocket.

They have a provision for that; you can be excused for financial hardship. Only, you have to GO in person to ask the judge. So, no matter what, you have to lose at least half a day of work.

So, they assigned me a court and told me I had to appear Monday the 16th at 1:30. They don't provide parking; they tell you to use public transportation, although the public transportation doesn't go to the courthouse. It's an hour bus ride followed by about a 2-mile walk. Luckily, I live close enough to ride my bike, though it will still take an hour.

So I make arrangements. I just accept that on Monday, I'll miss my afternoon class and part of my evening shift, and I get people to cover for me. That's at least $120-- my grocery budget for a month.

Then yesterday, I get an e-mail saying that even though they said I was to report at 1:30, now they're not sure what time it will be and I MUST call them at exactly 11:00 on Monday to find out. I might have to somehow get there by noon, or it might be 4:00. In other words, I I might be sitting at home twiddling my thumbs when I could have been teaching my class, or, even if I'm excused, I might end up missing all of my evening shift.

And now, on Thursday afternoon, leaving one business day before the appearance, I get an e-mail saying I have to be there at 9:00 am instead of 1:30, and I might have to stay until 5:00.

WTF?!??? Okay, this sucks enough for me. I'm probably going to get out of there by noon, which means I could have made it to both jobs and gotten paid, but I already arranged for subs who are counting on that time. At least I'll probably get part of my second shift, so I'll only lose 3/4 of my grocery budget for the month.

But what about people who work in the morning, as 90% of people do? ONE DAY is not enough notice to get leave from a regular job, much less to get coverage if you're a contract worker or temp (as more than 30% of all American workers are now). And if you own/operate your own small business, you're totally screwed. And what about people with children? One working day is not enough time to change arrangements with a sitter-- they'll have to pay for a whole day when they were expecting to pay for half, and probably pay extra for the late change, assuming the sitter is even available.

And what about the poor plaintiff? This is civil court, somebody suing somebody. If I don't get off and I actually have to serve a week and lose 30% of my month's income, how can I NOT be p***ed at the moron who brought the lawsuit? How can I not sit there thinking, "Would you lawyers just GET TO THE POINT? The one who talks the longest is gonna LOSE, 'cuz I can't afford to BE here. Can I sue YOU for wastin' my time?"

This whole system is just wrong. It shouldn't cost people money to serve on a jury. If they're going to have an online system to qualify the pool, they should have an online system to get excused. And they certainly shouldn't be allowed to make changes without reasonable notice.

I guess it's really just incredibly outdated. It assumes that everyone works a nice full-time job for a nice, big employer who will pay their salary while they serve. But the world has changed. Between independent contractors and adjuncts, temps, and small business owners, over a third of us don't have a regular salary or an employer, period. And for everyone else, there's no actual law requiring employers to pay. They always just did it because it's the decent thing to do-- but big companies aren't into "decent" anymore, and folks can't protest because they're too afraid of losing their lousy job. Supposedly they can't fire you for not being there, but they sure can save up all the work, refuse to move your deadline, and make you work double when you get back, and then fire you for not doing it well.

So, basically, the only people who can serve without financial loss or job stress are retired people-- although you're exempt after 70, so that's a small group-- and the completely unemployed. How can you have a decent justice system when your juries are made up of geezers, the jobless (and only the ones who don't even have a little part-time job), or people like me who are completely freaked out the whole time because they're losing the rent money with every second that ticks by? It sure explains some of the totally insane verdicts.

Jeez, I sure hope I never get arrested or sued.

Oh, by the way, they do "compensate" jurors. You get six dollars, paid 45 days after you serve. Yay.
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CHERIRIDDELL 4/14/2012 1:01AM

    No you are certainly not out of line .They cannot expect people to forfeit their grocery money to serve and they attitude is horrific.You deserve to be treated better.What if you were physically unable to walk the distance and take public transportation?There seems to be no room for compassion for the hardship to the juror.

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HIKETOHEIGHTS 4/13/2012 8:57PM

    Unfortunately with all of the financial problems, govt. Cutbacks & The bad economy, the court houses have been hit hard. My heart goes out to the poor civil servants who are having to carry double & sometimes triple workloads. Let's not even start with crime on the rise so the system is overloaded. I imagine these are just a few of the factors that contribute to the burden on the jury system. Let me be the first to say thank you for your service & apologize for the burden. When I went a few years back they just told me to go hone that morning.

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AANGEL3 4/13/2012 6:42PM

    I had to report for Jury duty last yr here in Vegas. I had to go for the whole day and wait to see if I was selected. Luckily for me my son was coming the next day from Oregon and since he was coming to see me the judge excused me. The way it works here is you go for the day...and they shuffle you in and out of court rooms until your picked, excused, or they get enough people to fill the open slots they have. They do pay like a small bit (I can't remember how much) but for me that wasn't a worry as my company pays my full wage for Jury duty. I did have to park in a parking garage and walk 4 block but my parking was validated for the day.

Side not..they would have excused me anyway..it was lady suing a man for hitting her while she rode a moped. I have a HUGE problem with that. I don't think they should be on the road unless they can keep up with the posted speed limit and they should have to be licensed and riders need to obey all traffic laws. I had a friend that was killed two yrs ago on a moped. So they would have not picked me anyway.

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MBSHAZZER 4/13/2012 9:04AM

    No, you are not out of line. The way the court system is handling your service is extremely unprofessional. If you are impaneled, I would be honest during the jury selection process. Tell them that no, you cannot be impartial, for the reasons stated. I had a similar experience a few years ago on a criminal trial. Many people were using bogus, crazy excuses to get off the jury, but when they came to me asked if I could be impartial, I just said, "No. I was told to dress professionally and the defendant has baggy pants and needs a haircut. He was transported here in a van and I had to spend 1.5 hours navigating public transportation that left me nowhere close to the courthouse in a bad area." That pretty much did it, I was excused.

Good luck!

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MARYJEANSL 4/13/2012 12:21AM

  I don't blame you for being furious. I would be too. That's crazy what they did to you - and others. I have found out from friends that the jury system is basically different - and I mean totally different - depending on where you live. Here I normally get a summons every couple of years. I can and do easily get an exemption because I am solely responsible for a young child - and if they forced me to go, I would bring him! My oldest easily got an exemption for being a student living out of town. And this is a by-mail exemption.

I think the system where you live is completely back in the Dark Ages. There ought to be a way to protest, and I hope you can find it. You deserve better.

Oh, after probably making the system here sound fantastic, it is the same/worse in one way. Payment is a grand total of $4 for the entire day - and you don't know when you arrive how long the day will be - and there is zero free parking. So even if you can get a space, you will pay a good deal more than $4 to park for the entire day. Yeah, it sucks.

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