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So its a natural function of a human... why can't I do it?

Friday, September 03, 2010


How can what is meant to be a natural, daily biological function of every living creature, be SO hard to achieve?

I saw a television programme today about forcing poor sleep patterns to reset, but only allowing yourself a small slot to sleep in, rather than laying awake for hours, or sleeping in late, or naps.

The idea was only allow 2am to 8am for the man they where filming. If he didn't get to sleep at first... tough luck, still got to get up at 8am.
After a week or so something 're-set' and he was falling asleep at the correct time without hours of being restless and awaking refreshed.

I go to bed at 10pm knowing I won't sleep for a couple of hours, knowing I should be asleep by 11pm to get 8hours to rise at 7.
I am wondering about staying up until 12am since I am always laying restless and getting more and more frustrated.

I have done all the hot drinks/no drinks, relaxation thoughts, relaxation smells, relaxation stretching and clenching, tried herbal pills (did once try prescription, but not happy doing that, and they made me vomit).
So I really am at the point where I feel something more active is required.

So its friday night, no work tomorrow of course, but I am going to stay up later and still rise at 7am tomorrow. See how it goes.
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  • MMS354
    I feel your pain - I suffered severe insomnia for about 5 years and just returned to quality sleep in the past few months. Ambien worked for me with no side effects when I wasn't sleeping at all. Now I make sure to be off the computer several hours before bedtime and I always go to bed with a book. For some reason reading helps me fall asleep. Oh - counting backward from 300 helps when my mind won't turn off.

    Good luck to you!
    2692 days ago
    Hope you are getting the rest you need!
    2694 days ago
    I wish there was an easy answer for this. It's torture to lay in bed wide awake for an hour or so before drifting off. I wait until I'm so tired I can't stay awake, even if that means daylight is breaking. This is new behavior following major surgery six years ago. It's one of the privileges of being a lady of leisure, ha.
    Maybe there is a remedy in getting up at the same time every morning. It's worth a try.
    Thanks for sharing.
    2696 days ago
    Sleep therapists don't recommend tossing and turning for hours. If you can't fall asleep in the first 20 minutes or so, get up and do something else. The frustration from lying in bed not sleeping can lead to even less sleep.

    That being said, even if you stay up late, it's still recommended to set your alarm and get up at a specific time (like you saw on the show) so that your body gets used to that being the time for sleeping.

    If it continues for a week or more, go see your doctor. There can be medical/hormonal causes.

    I've also found that when I'm overtraining (not giving myself enough rest days in the week), insomnia is the first thing that I notice. Make sure you're getting enough rest from exercise.

    Good luck!
    2697 days ago
    My night time routine includes a sleepytime tea, prayers, amitriptyline (which definitely helps), Christian music playing softly, and then a Bible tape. It works -- in spite of my noisy grandchildren.
    2697 days ago
    what are the other things that look like they have butter on them?

    haha whoops. wrong blog. heh emoticon
    2697 days ago

    Comment edited on: 9/4/2010 1:12:18 PM
  • SPRING1973
    How did it go this morning?
    2697 days ago
    I think staying up a bit later would help. My husband was the same way - he'd come to bad at ten and toss & turn for a few hours. He started staying up later, and now he is truly ready to sleep when he gets in bed. Good luck! emoticon
    2697 days ago
    Only the greatest of distress can make me lose sleep. I love sleeing so much! Never can get enough of it !!!
    If, by the great unfortune, I do not get my minimum, I am lost for the day.
    There was a time at the begining of my mother's AD journey when I couldn't sleep. Finaly went to the dr and asked for sleeping pills. Those saved my life! Honestly. After a while, I started excepting my mom's illness and could stop taking them.
    This idea you write about - good luck! I wish you a good night's sleep every night !
    2698 days ago
    definitely hope the reset works, i used to toss and turn a lot more before i got active, now i am just so tired i am out when my head hits the pillow 9 times out of 10, very grateful for that as i was tired of wasting so many hours laying there thinking with nothing to show for it other than frustration.
    2698 days ago
    So sorry, Pook. Wish I could offer advice, but I have none, so I won't. emoticon

    But I hope you find something that works for you. emoticon emoticon emoticon
    2698 days ago

    Comment edited on: 9/3/2010 9:00:02 PM
    You are such a trooper. I too have suffered on and off with insomnia, and it is no picnic. You can see how people who lack required sleep go a little crazy! You look at the clock and think, "If I fall asleep right... NOW, I'll get 8 hours. If I fall asleep right... NOW, I'll get 7 hours. If I fall asleep right..." ad nauseum. I am far from expert in these matters, but if it helps, the ONLY thing that has ever helped me is "Operation Get Up Early" which is getting up at the same time every day (weekends, summer, holidays, you name it). Oh, if only I could sleep the sleep of a teenager...
    2698 days ago
    emoticon Dealing with depression can play havoc with sleep. Same here, none of the usual drill helps me either (herbals can make me gag or trigger allergies, not to mention interfere with the prescription stuff). Routine definitely helps, but there is something going on in the brain when you've got a biological thing like depression or bipolar disorder to deal with too. My hubby has a clock that's off-set by a quite a few hours and no amount of resetting seems to shift it more than about 2-3 hours.

    Best of luck and more hugs.
    2698 days ago
    good luck ! emoticon
    2698 days ago
    I also hear that you need to set a routine that signals your body that it is time to sleep. think of a child getting ready for bed. I know it helps me. Hope it helps you.
    2698 days ago
    For those of us who have a tough time sleep getting to sleep, keeping a steady pattern helps me.
    2698 days ago
    I have the same bad sleep habits. If I don't fall asleep after an hour or so, I get up and Spark. After a hour or so of getting in some more Spark time, I am usually able to fall asleep. I have the luxury of not having to get up at a certain time on most days, so maybe this is different for me. Everybody is different, that is really all I know about sleep patterns. emoticon
    2698 days ago
    I also have sleep issues from bedtime(around 10:30) until around 2 a.m. EVERY NIGHT but mine is from sciatica that keeps me awake.

    You'll probably be able to find a ton of stuff about insomnia on google or another search engine. If you can figure out what's causing it that would be a start.

    I just googled "circadian rhythm" and there's lot so links on there!

    Good luck and keep us posted! emoticon
    2698 days ago

    Comment edited on: 9/3/2010 3:40:45 PM
  • KITT52
    I too have restless night, it seems to be a cycle...I'll sleep good for about 2 weeks, then sleep just okay for a week then have about 5 day where no matter I just can't sleep more than a few hours..
    all my life even as a young child I have had a rough go at sleep..
    I never ever sleep though the night
    I always wake several times a night....
    nothing has helps so sorry I can't help you either but think the others have offered you some real good advice....

    good luck

    ps the pills made gave me night mares, felt like I was bing smothers
    2698 days ago
    Pookie hun I usually sleep like a babe from 10pm through to 6.30 or 7 ish but sometimes I have periods when I'm restless, don't sleep through or just can't get off.
    The more I tell myself to sleep the more I can't.
    I saw that program too and it has loads of good advice.
    The only suggestion I'd make is if you feel you can nap sometime over the weekend, then catch up during the afternoon and try not to stress over lack of sleep (easily said I know) it only makes it worse.
    Hope you're back to your normal sleeping pattern soon emoticon emoticon
    2698 days ago
    I read if you don't get much sleep ....do not nap or you will not want to sleep at the right time again. Stay awake till bed time no matter how tired you are. I ran across advice like you heard on the internet. It was interesting reading , if I find it again I will give you the link. Best Wishes. Joy
    2698 days ago
  • GRAMMY441
    I struggle with sleep too. Here are two things that bother me. If I exercise too late in the evening, I can't sleep for hours. It revs my system up and keeps me awake. Secondly, I analyse everything that happens during the day or worry about things I can't control. I have to work really hard to control my thoughts so that I can go to sleep. This is the one that always keeps me awake. I have to practice thought stopping to control it.

    I'm sending some Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's you way. emoticon
    2698 days ago
    How about reading before sleep? That usually works for me, or having music playing so softly you have to concentrate really hard, so you empty your mind of all other thoughts and fall asleep. I used to do that a lot when I suffered from lack of sleep or had trouble falling asleep.
    Whatever works for you...good luck!
    2698 days ago
    Without looking at your blogs or stats or anything, the first question that comes to mind is...are you exercising? I just read the article yesterday that exercising 30 min/day will help you sleep better. As will not drinking soda/tea/coffee late in the day. I've also read that taking a hot shower 30-40 minutes before bedtime helps to calm your body and makes it easier to relax and fall asleep.

    Good luck!
    2698 days ago
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