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    MALEFICENT1964  
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Scratching My Head

Friday, January 30, 2009

Read about the woman in the news who gave birth to the litter of kids... 8 of them to be exact...

The followup to the story... she already has 6 kids - AND lives with her parents and the 8 kids came via the turkey baster method..

and she realizes that raising 14 children will be a challenge... gee, ya think?

What a moron... and I think the doctor that did the basting is an even bigger moron... what kind of quack inseminates a woman who already has 6 children...
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MALEFICENT1964 2/2/2009 9:51AM

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n the beginning, the nation was in awe that a California mother and her army of doctors successfully delivered the second set of octuplets to survive birth in U.S. history. Over the next few days, as the world heard her story and learned more about the family situation of Nadya Suleman, who previously did not want to be named as the mother, awe quickly turned to disgust and outrage.

We’ve learned since the arrival of the octuplets that Nadya lives with her parents and has six other children in a 1550 square foot house. We’ve also learned that she is freshly divorced, and that her estranged ex-husband is not the father of the octuplets. The family, obviously strained by the amount of life being brought into the world by Nadya Suleman, has been having money problems. Nadya’s mother, Angela Suleman, filed for bankruptcy last year when debts soared near one million dollars. Nadya’s father is a translator working in Iraq to help support the family.

Now there are reports that she didn’t conceive any of her children traditionally, but had them all implanted as embryos. In phone interviews, Angela Suleman says she was never supportive of her daughter having all of these embryos implanted without being married. She doesn’t want to have to support so many children. Angela also told press that she didn’t think Nadya would have any more, because all of her frozen embryos have now been used up.

Why did Nadya seek fertility treatments when she already had six children? Is that the cause of the divorce? Why were so many embryos implanted at the same time? Who will pay for these children? These questions and many more have plagued everyone’s minds.

In a statement prepared by Nadya Suleman, she says, “We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets, and we appreciate your respect for our family’s privacy. Please know in our own time we will share additional details about this miraculous experience. The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about their arrival. Needless to say, the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well. We thank all of you for your positive thoughts, prayers, and generosity.”

Did she choose to have so many embryos implanted for fame? The hospital reports that it was flooded with gifts and envelopes for the Nadya and her octuplets. She’s been the top topic on the news, in the blogsphere, and on the lips of millions of people.

Angela Suleman stresses that her daughter is not a bad person, but that she just got carried away. She states that Nadya had the embryos implanted in hopes of just one more girl, and since she had left over frozen embryos from her previous In-Vetro treatments, she used them. She also stated that her daughter’s ex-husband is not the father, but that all of the babies share the same donor. She does not know the doctor or the clinic that implanted the embryos in Nadya’s uterus.

Medical experts are furious about whoever made the decision to implant the embryos. At the moment, there are no investigations into doctors or facilities that may have had anything to do with the implanted embryos, and it’s unlikely that there will be because a bad judgment call doesn’t make it a criminal act.

In a statement made by Yolanda Garcia, who cared for Nadya’s autistic son, told the Long Beach Press-Telegram that she asked Nadya how she afforded all of the expensive In-Vetro treatments, and Nadya responded that she was paid for them. Yolanda didn’t press the matter, but thought it was strange.

Friends and family close to Nadya say that all she ever wanted to be was a mom. Nadya is not uneducated. She worked as a psychiatric technician, then was injured and started her family. She attended school and gained her Bachelor of Science degree in child and adolescent development. She returned for her masters, but quit around the time she would have began her pregnancy with the octuplets.

We may never know what drove Nadya Suleman to make the decision to have 14 children. In a phone interview, her mother couldn’t even give an explanation, sighing that she wished Nadya would have become a kindergarten teacher. Now, 14 children will grow up fatherless and crammed into a small home. Nadya, what were you thinking?

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MALEFICENT1964 2/1/2009 10:47AM

    News today mentioned that the grandmother said that every one of those kids has been conceived thru IVF - and the mother has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager -and the grandmother did not support this round of IVF...

So your unmarried, adult daughter with her 6 children are living with you... and she says hey I want one more - and yet you continue to let her live with you? Ok

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MSEMBERSTORM 1/31/2009 9:57PM

    I can not even imagine having that many kids.

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2008LYNN 1/31/2009 7:33AM

  She's a nut, so no way she had a psych evaluation by a legit clinic. I can't wait to hear how she got pregnant. I heard last night that none of her children were conceived naturally. The next big news story will be Protective Services threatening to take the kids due to her inability to care for them.

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MALEFICENT1964 1/30/2009 2:54PM

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CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.

There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.

The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.

Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.

And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.

But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.

Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."

On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."

Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."

Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."

Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.

"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."

"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '

"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."

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This is sounding more and more like a science experiment gone awry - most ethical fertility specialists from what i've beenr eading - wouldn't touch this woman..

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2008LYNN 1/30/2009 12:30PM

  Although I don't think the doc should make judgments about whether or not a person deserves to be inseminated, what the heck is her motive? She obviously can't afford any of them, so could she possibly be trying to get a TV show? Or donations from well meaning citizens who want to help out. Seems likely. Betcha, they get a house out of this.

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