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Is the "obesity epidemic" overblown?

Saturday, September 22, 2012

www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/s
urprise-a-little-fat-is-good-for-you/a
rticle4560312/


Globe and Mail columnist Margaret Wente thinks that the obesity epidemic is an overblown crisis. She says research shows being a little bit -- even quite a bit -- overweight can be healthy. Certainly it's better to achieve cardio fitness despite some extra pounds than to be thin and unfit. A 5'4" woman, she says, could still be healthy at a weight of up to about 227 pounds. We've got a "morbid fear of fat" because various government, academic and commercial "empires" have conspired to brainwash us and to make "normal" plumpness socially unacceptable. Exercise and eating healthy is a good thing, she agrees: but taking weight off and keeping it off is next to impossible.

Hmmmmm. I think she's excessively pessimistic. Here at SparkPeople, the At Goal and Maintaining: Transitioning to Maintenance Team offers the strategies and the support to sustain weight loss. And most people do feel more comfortable physically at a leaner weight than she suggests is still "healthy".

But about one thing I think Wente is absolutely right: the discrimination and social stigma attached to being overweight are utterly unconscionable. And in broader society, outside the supportive community of SparkPeople, the implicit endorsement of such discrimination by government, academic and social pressure groups doesn't assist anyone to eat healthy or to exercise or to sustain weight loss.

  
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CMRAND54 9/23/2012 7:37PM

    I definitely think I'm healthier at a normal weight. My blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol are all normal now, and they weren't when I was overweight. But some of that is because I am more active now and activity lowers blood sugar and raises HDL.

Some of health is heredity. My mother weighed something just over 200 pounds and died of a heart attack at the age of 67. My father, who was an inch or two taller weighed around 200 pounds for most of his life and is now a reasonably healthy 98 years old. He currently weighs about 175. He's less active now and probably has lost muscle mass. My mother's father died in his 50's of a heart attack. My father's family is longer lived.

It's a complicated issue.

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NANCY- 9/23/2012 8:15AM

    They should all just cut the crap and focus on refreshing our knowledge on living a healthy lifestyle. We would be better served if they focused on providing info on walking trails, farmers market and tasty nutritious recipes.
Perhaps instead of being narrow minded, if we were more supportive and less judgemental, we all would be healthier.

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NEW-CAZ 9/23/2012 3:08AM

    Interesting article, I feel healthier now I've lost weight.
Obesity is a huge problem and it's getting worse. I saw a program on the growing need for larger ambulances just to cater for obese people and it scared the beejeezus out of me the size of some patients. Such a shame!

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JIBBIE49 9/23/2012 1:02AM

    After reading "THE SUGAR FIX" by RICHARD JOHNSON M.D. I wouldn't believe anyone that being fat is healthy. Listen to the series "THE SKINNY ON OBESITY" on YouTube by RObert Lustig M.D. and he will explain WHY being obese is NOT healthy.

Just sit on the bench in WALMART for about 30 minutes and notice ALL the fat out-of-shape people in there. Obesity is a huge problem.

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DDOORN 9/22/2012 10:18PM

    I think it's a variable thing. Most of us who KNOW we have to be careful with our weight also know better than to think we can be lax and give ourselves the kind of latitude she describes. There are folks who haven't the kind of history with food that many of us among our SparkFamily have had. Perhaps they can handle such weight "flexibility" better...? I'm not sure I buy that, because I'm not one of them, can't speak from that very different alternative universe...lol!

VERY agreed about the stigma. Even tonight when I saw the unfortunately (I'm usually a big fan) ho-hum latest Clint Eastwood movie "Trouble With the Curve"...the egotistical baseball player who took advantage of others, thought the world revolved around him and had a HIGHLY unlikable personality was overweight. I couldn't help but think "jeez, thanks for yet another dig to the obese!"

Don

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PHEBESS 9/22/2012 9:21PM

    There's overweight, and then there's overweight.

I'm about 5'4" at this point, and if I weighed 227 I'd be back to where I started - size 20 or 22, huffing and puffing up the stairs at school, with aches and pains that are now gone. I wouldn't have had the energy to do the murals at school. I wouldn't have the energy to spend all day wandering around New Orleans (we put on 8 miles thus far today).

So a "little" overweight might be okay - but a lot overweight is definitely NOT okay!

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MOBYCARP 9/22/2012 9:01PM

    That's a poorly reasoned column. Assuming the premise, that being overweight isn't necessarily unhealthy *IF* the overweight person is fit, what does that mean? Not much. It's pretty much the argument against BMI that body builders make, and that is footnoted with most responsible explanations of BMI.

The problem I have with touting this is, it emphasizes the conclusion (overweight doesn't have to be unhealthy) and mostly ignores the important condition (if they are fit.)

Human nature being what it is, people will read this and conclude they don't need to do anything about being overweight. The problem is, most people reacting this way won't meet the condition of being fit even though they're overweight.

Oh, well. What I have an issue with is pretty much just the way journalism works: Find a fact that sounds unusual, and publish it loudly without worrying much about the host of surrounding facts that explain why it isn't as unusual as it sounds. Next week, move on to a different fact that sounds unusual. That type of journalism isn't going to change any time soon. I suppose I'm happier if I just ignore stories like this.

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BROOKLYN_BORN 9/22/2012 8:45PM

    While I agree that a few extra pounds are just fine, her example is way off base. That 5’4” woman is putting 300 lbs more pressure on her knees with each step than if she weighed 150 lbs which is still not a twig. This sounds to me like another apologist for the status quo or those who rant that they won’t be told what to eat by the “food police.”

Normal plumpness? We’ve got a morbid fear of fat? Look around, we must have conquered our fear pretty well. No one should ever be stigmatized for their physical characteristics EVER but with 66% above normal BMI and another % struggling with anorexia, who exactly is doing the discriminating? The 25% minority with normal BMI? The overweight putting down the obese? The obese making fun of the morbidly obese? Everywhere I look, at work, at church, in social situations or just shopping, we have become accustomed to the new shape of America. Overweight is the majority.

Ms Wente thinks that “taking weight off and keeping it off is next to impossible.” If she really believes this (and here at SP we know that this is not true) then she should concentrate on helping people NOT GAIN enormous amounts of weight in the first place.

A generation ago America didn’t look like this. Scare tactics may not work but putting the statistics out there is necessary. Making us happy with the status quo is not helpful either individually or as a society.


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SLENDERELLA61 9/22/2012 8:39PM

    Interesting article. I know I feel much healthier at this weight. I no longer have high blood pressure, high cholestrol and low HDL. Perhaps the blood work would have improved with exercise alone, but somehow I doubt it. Definitely I will stick to the workouts. Maybe I won't worry quite as much about the 2-3 pounds I'd like to take off. -Marsha

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MJZHERE 9/22/2012 7:42PM

  I am reading Influencer, The Power to Change Anything, where they study and research what works and what doesn't to change behavior. Scare tatics do not work and in fact, cause people to feel attacked. There are two main ways to change behavior in a group, society, etc. The first is model the behavior you are seeking, and the second is to have people live vicariously thru a model by that person sharing their experience. In other words, people seeing you live it, and you sharing your own personal experience in a real and honest way, is what influences others to change. Sounds like what happens on the At Goal and Maintaining/Transition to Maintenance Team. emoticon

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ROOSTER72 9/22/2012 6:52PM

    Interesting that a 5'4" woman can be healthy up to 227 pounds. What is healthy?
I was nowhere near this amount overweight, and had a real lack of energy and some mild depression. I suppose I would have been regarded as healthy - but I feel so much better now!!

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ONEKIDSMOM 9/22/2012 5:51PM

    You've got that right... "the implicit endorsement of such discrimination by government, academic and social pressure groups doesn't assist anyone to eat healthy or to exercise or to sustain weight loss."

Unfortunately, when I pointed out to the assembled group watching the HBO special on Weight of the Nation that such scare tactics would NOT have motivated me to do something about my weight, I was essentially set aside and patronized. I concluded I was not part of the intended audience for the shared experience... not being someone who is trying to "provide the environment that encourages" healthier choices / active lifestyle / breast-feeding... just a simple individual looking for personal motivation.

So I shut my mouth and went away with the resolution not to continue watching with this group. My voice is clearly not going to persuade them... and it would only hurt ME to try.

Here's to our own self-supporting group over on the At Goal And Maintaining / Transition to Maintenace Team. Because together, emoticon

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Potato Chips are evil incarnate!!

Monday, September 17, 2012

I was a the golf course Sunday with DH and noticed a potato chip bag in one of the garbage containers on the 10th tee.

The chip bag was open and I looked in. There was a whole chip in the bottom of the bag, uneaten.

My first reaction: who could ever leave a chip uneaten in the bag and throw the bag out? Not me: I would have eaten them all, shaken out the crumbs, licked the inside of the bag . . . you get the idea.

My second reaction (shameful): I wonder if anyone would notice if I reached in and ate THAT potato chip?

Even worse: it was a BBQ chip. That's my least fave! But: I was still tempted. Seriously tempted.

And no: I did not eat the chip from the bag in the garbage.

But: I thought about it! Which is a clear illustration of how irresistible chips are. For me. I have never met a chip I didn't love. Sure, handmade kettle chips are better. But even those ersatz "Pringles" type made from reconstituted potatos. Even BAKED potato chips. Yeah.

And the only reason I didn't eat that one chip is that the one chip would have given rise to . . . buying a bag of chips . . . eating chips furtively every second day . . . buying chips every day. With graduation from the "single serving size" to the "industrial size" in, say, a week.

And this is why: chips are not for me.

  
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MAMADWARF 9/19/2012 11:13PM

    This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George eats the eclair from on top of the garbage not IN the garbage!!! lol

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DONNACFIT 9/19/2012 6:40PM

    woohoo..what will power!! Chips also call my name..just last night actually...and I took the industrial size bag and divied up 2 SMALL SERVINGS and gave one to hubby and one to me :)

I'm learning will power and no foods are off limits

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CMRAND54 9/18/2012 9:31PM

    I can totally relate. My husband, on the other hand - I've seen him eat half a donut and throw the other half out because he'd "had enough".

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DDOORN 9/18/2012 3:48PM

    For some reason the salty thing is not MY thing. Now if that had been a COOKIE? Ugh...perish the thought...! :-)

Don

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NOLAZYBUTT110 9/18/2012 12:17PM

    I swear the Potato chips companies put some powdered drugs on their chips! Why else would anyone like a fried dried out piece of crap? lol But they are one thing that does cause a lot of people to put the pounds on! Ate quiet a few before I graduated to a more healthier diet! Occasionally I am tempted and still will eat them, but its not my number one diet food! What turned me off to potato chips was seeing rats gorge on them! The smell grosqued me out! susana

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CRYSTALJEM 9/18/2012 11:27AM

    You did it! You kicked temptation in the big ol butt! Way to go. Yes, chips are EVIL!! I can relate to every word you typed. My kids started taking music lessons in the town close to us but there was no place for them to wait which meant that I would usually sit in the car and switch the kids back and forth. This weekly ritual also lead to me stopping to do errands at the gas station, usually including buying me a bag of chips. Have you noticed it's hard to get the really tiny sizes we used to when we were kids? So there I'd sit munching, preferably not sharing (I was thinking of my kids health... yeah right!). Then they started having after school activities meaning I'd show up to watch and pick up kids and well, you know, run those errands and well, get a bag of chips (meaning multiple bags of chips per week, and of course pop to wash them down cause they are so yummy salty). With winters, a couple of minor injuries slowing down my activity - I gained 20 pounds that didn't magically disappear like the odd 5 or so used to.

So, long and short, (mainly long I guess) I hear you. CHIPS ARE EVIL and they're out to get YOU and ME! emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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NANCY- 9/18/2012 10:28AM

    Strange where temptation arises.
Alas the poor forgotten chip... You are a wise one to resist the siren song of the potato chip! At least you didn't have to be tied to the mast. You are a strong woman.
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KALIGIRL 9/18/2012 8:00AM

    emoticon the bag was discarded by someone for whom chips are not the devil perhaps just to test you emoticon
Amazing how things work?
WTG - you passed! emoticon

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SWEDE_SU 9/18/2012 5:11AM

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NEW-CAZ 9/18/2012 3:10AM

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_LINDA 9/18/2012 1:36AM

    Good for you!! They are my nemesis too. And you are so right, one leads to another. While I like almost everything, I have to admit Pringles is just too dull and tasteless for me lol. Great will power!! Keep up the awesome work!

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SCOOTERGIRLOZ 9/17/2012 11:00PM

    I could just imagine you checking out that bag. Such willpower!

Memphis would have chowed down on that chip and licked the bag.

Scootergirl in Oz

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PHEBESS 9/17/2012 10:40PM

    We all have our evil foods, don't we? And if chips are your evil food, then yes, you are better off avoiding them.

Because they are EVIL!

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SLENDERELLA61 9/17/2012 9:49PM

    Another great blog!! If I saw one chip in a bag in the garbage I would guess it's fallen on the ground or otherwise been too contaminated to eat. Glad you didn't go for the history-unknown chip in the trash. But the temptation is very tellilng, isn't it? My own temptations are usually sugary ones, but chips have gotten me off track more than once. For the most part popcorn, air popped or low fat, satisfies my cravings for crunch. I don't even have to have it salted, unless it is the salt I'm craving. Glad you know yourself well enough to know what you can handle and what you can't. Spark on!! -Marsha

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Loved Your Comments on Moderation . . . .

Saturday, September 15, 2012

. . . . and had to face the fact that a lot of people here have more self-discipline than I do, and can stop with a "moderate" amount of those foods that are triggers for me.

Maybe I'll get there one day.

But for now . . . not saying "never" to potato chips or doughnuts or chocolate chip cookies. And various other tempters!!

However, it's gotta be pretty rare, in very defined quantities and no "leftovers" from the pre-determined serving!

  
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CRYSTALJEM 9/17/2012 12:51PM

    Agree on the leftovers issue. Left overs are a danger unless they are cucumbers, carrots and tomatoes ...

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KALIGIRL 9/17/2012 8:51AM

    I so agree with the 'left-over' issue - it's one thing to treat ourselves - it's another to indulge.
May be why I went to 97% cocoa? emoticon

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IMAGINE_IT 9/16/2012 4:35PM

    I struggle with Self discipline...i can have the best day...but then when faced with donuts or pizza at work (brought in by an evil coworker emoticon ) i falter and give in way too easy.....but it is a work in progress...and i am with you "for now i am not even close to say 'never' to chocolate and such'....,,don't worry Ellen you will get there....i have no doubts! As for me....hmmm...total other story!! emoticon
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NANCY- 9/16/2012 8:19AM

    I thought I left a comment about moderation doesn't work for me I need rules to abide by. This way I can save my precious mental bandwidth for other matters.
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NEW-CAZ 9/16/2012 3:03AM

    Knowlege is power to succeed; you know your pitfalls and how to avoid them.
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DSJB9999 9/15/2012 10:04PM

    I can't really do moderation either, its all or nothing with me.
So for some foods 'nothing' is healthier!

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SLENDERELLA61 9/15/2012 10:03PM

    You know yourself and how to succeed. Hooray for you!!

I actually lost most of my triggers kind of an old fashioned way. My hubby kept bringing them home. At first I kept diligently putting them out of eye sight. He kept bringing more and more, placing them right where I'd be facing them frequently. I took it as a challenge! I said I'm stronger than lemon meringe pie, and I am. I'm stronger than banana pudding. I'm stronger than Reese's peanut butter cups (just barely & most of the time). Now there is always candy and junk in my house. Occasionally I slip, but for the most I can co-exist with hubby's treats and grandkid's treats, especially when I have delicious ripe pears and peaches sitting right next to them.

You are stronger than you think!!!

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DEEJON123 9/15/2012 9:18PM

    You don't have to give up any of your favorites, you just have to be careful not to over do it.
I was a chocolate a day and a chip by night person, but now I have 10 chips when I really, really feel like it, and a chocolate bar lasts me the same amount of days that it has squares, works great!

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LIL-VIXEN 9/15/2012 9:00PM

    I always found it better not to measure my success by someone eles's success. Because for one the thing that work for them may not necessarily work for me or you. Find what works for you, whether if be cutting out potatoes chips or donuts and eating chocolates until you pass out, that is your choice. Find the thing that will help keep you motivated and that will be your mojo.

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PHEBESS 9/15/2012 8:47PM

    I guess it's the toss up of losing and maintaining - either totally avoid certain food items, or learn to eat certain items in moderation. I'm enough of a foodie to go with the moderation option. Because I just can't deny certain foods altogether.

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Moderation? Highly Overrated!

Monday, September 10, 2012

www.theglobeandmail.com/life/why-the
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Moderation sets us up for failure, says an article in today's Toronto Globe and Mail..

Why? Because moderation requires us to make too many choices. If I tell myself that I can eat potato chips moderately, then I have to ask myself: how many is a moderate amount? And how many times a week is a moderate recurrence? If I don't eat potato chips at all . . . if I have a "no potato chips" policy for me . . . then I don't have to exhaust my decision-making power.

So: moderation becomes a form of tyranny.

In that sense, an inflexible rule is less tyrannical!

What do you think? Does moderation work for you?

  
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NOLAZYBUTT110 9/15/2012 1:56PM

    I think modernation does nothing for me, especialy when it comes to pptato chips! . I feel for me, its... Best... to leave the ch\ips out of my diet and out of the quotient! lol If I want to lose weight! Modernation...does it mena what it says? For modern days they push for more and bigger amounts, so if I woudl think soemhting is too much someone else may think ist not so moderate! For best results one has to decide whats more important. Feeling satisfied or hunkering down to no chips! As for me once in a blue moon I would ahve them, but once I learned to go without I feel better if I were to have an orange or peach in its place. Its ... More satisfying! susana

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NUOVAELLE 9/14/2012 1:44AM

    Moderation is the only thing that has ever worked for me! It's been the antidote to deprivation which has always been my weight loss catastrophe! As for the amounts or the times considered to be moderate, this depends on each individual. We all have to find our balance. As I usually say, I can live with half a piece once in a while but I can't live with no piece for the rest of my life!
But I believe that moderation goes hand-in-hand with self-discipline. There are people who just can't seem to stop themselves once they start and their sense of moderation is lost the minute they get that first bite. I don't know if they can actually practice self-discipline and get better but I think it's worth the try. Our habits have to be sustainable for the rest of our lives in order to maintain our weight. Can we do without not even a single potato chip for the rest of our lives?
Great blog! Certainly food for thought!


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TINAJANE76 9/13/2012 2:25PM

    For me, it depends on what I'm dealing with. I can do certain foods in moderation and keep them around the house without a problem. Others, like ice cream or chips, I can't do in moderation and only have them as occasional treats in single-serve portions. It took me a while to figure out which things I could keep around and which I couldn't but generally keeping my triggers out of the house has helped me a lot.

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DSHONEYC 9/12/2012 7:18PM

    I'm with you...moderation challenges ones decision making capabilities too much. The brain can handle it, but the flesh is weak. emoticon

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JUDI_CUTIE 9/12/2012 12:32AM

    Moderation does not work for me. I do much better when I completely give up certain things. For quite a while I was off sweets. Then I started bending the rules and I lost my whole trend. I keep trying to start this again, but so far, I cannot quite get it. I actually was off sweets for the better part of four years (with only very slight breaks), but for the last year and a half, I keep pushing the limits!

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MOBYCARP 9/11/2012 8:22PM

    Moderation is an important concept, and not just for eating. Right now, I'm struggling with moderation in running. Not running at all means my cardio conditioning will slowly deteriorate to where it was before I was a runner. Running as much as I want to means I'll aggravate the injured foot and have to quit. This is not unlike eating stuff in moderation; it's hard to judge how much is "moderate."

Like it or not, we have to do many things in moderation. Some things, we can totally stop doing to avoid over-doing; other things, we need to limit to something reasonable while not giving them up entirely.

And that's part of why maintenance is so difficult.

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IRONBLOSSOM 9/11/2012 1:24PM

    That's such a good point, it's frustrating though because sometimes moderation works for me, like, over the weekend I think I ate a metric ton of oreos, moderation was out the window. But during the week, I've been parceling them out and don't even think about them when it's not "oreo time."

So it goes! :-)

Have a great day!

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MKELLY72 9/11/2012 1:11PM

    I have always had a tough time with this. The best I seem to hope for is binging in moderation, because often the foods that I should consume in moderation are far too difficult to limit when they are in front of me. One way I have been able to take control of treats (and it's sweet treats with me) is to mostly enjoy them while I'm eating out with a friend- I buy one- I eat one(sometimes saving half to take home to my sweetie).

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DDOORN 9/11/2012 9:40AM

    I definitely find it easier to totally avoid trigger foods, but can certainly appreciate the psychological "muscles" some folks are able to build so that they can enjoy what might have previously been trigger foods, but to enjoy them in moderation. That always impresses the heck outta me! :-)

Don't know that I will ever be able to accomplish such feats, though...!

Don

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KALIGIRL 9/11/2012 8:54AM

    Interesting idea - emoticon vs. emoticon

I believe in everything in moderation - after all if we don't tempt ourselves how do we grow?
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MISSUSRIVERRAT 9/11/2012 7:46AM

    For me, I need to totally avoid a trigger food. I am with Swede Su.
And some things should be avoided totally because they are simply bad for everyone, like smoking.

Intellectually, I think that moderation is a fallacy. Moderation means picking the middle between two extremes. But how do you define the extreme behavior.
I guess on the one extreme you have never, none. On the other end you have all the time. So does that mean that if you decide you will be moderate about eating chocolate that you would only have it at one-half your meals? It just gets kind of stupid and meaningless and useless.

Even if you can accept a working concept of moderation, some of us are gung-ho types and all or nothing. For me, I don't strive for this. It just seems to make life dull and I like to try to shake things up a bit. Having said that, I am big on routines and forming habits as no brainers so I don't have to make so many decisions throughout the day.

The article is excellent. I love it when people analyze things and get at the truth!!!

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ONEKIDSMOM 9/11/2012 6:47AM

    Now that I think about it, my "moderation" is "rarely". For example, I just had what I imagine will be my last hot dog for the year, last Friday. I had one each at the "victory party" for each of two races I participated in. I will let myself have a hot dog following a run. One. Not many.

Chips? It's kind of a "no tolerance" deal for me... because they are a slippery slope. Ice cream... a couple times a year, MAYBE.

So, while I don't say NEVER to many foods, it really is easier for ME, anyway to manage by just saying "no thanks" to certain things, at least a majority of the time. It has to be a really, really special occasion. After all... nothing tastes as good as being fit feels.

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NANCY- 9/11/2012 5:58AM

    I think it depends on the situation and what we have set up for OUR own rules.
Dining out my rule is a drink or dessert. (I do not eat out much so this is a real treat.)
At home it is more difficult especially with trigger foods it is an all or nothing scenario. I want it all, until there is nothing. :) However when you purchase healthy food, it is difficult to over consume something like broccoli.
Setting up rules and plans takes care of preserving the mental bandwidth.

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DSJB9999 9/11/2012 4:32AM

    emoticon interesting ideas

I can do moderation sometimes!



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SWEDE_SU 9/11/2012 4:02AM

    moderation works for me if it's something that is not a trigger, like chocolate - i am just not a chocolate lover (or a sweets person in general), one little piece will do me fine. but something salty - forget it! better not to have it in the house.

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NEW-CAZ 9/11/2012 3:28AM

    I eat in moderation NOW emoticon

My only downfall could be chocolate so I only by "fun" bars or snap off a portion and keep the rest in the fridge. So far it works

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ROOSTER72 9/11/2012 3:25AM

    Everything in moderation - even moderation!

An interesting thought - thanks.

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_LINDA 9/11/2012 1:51AM

    Did you have to write about potato chips?? (suffering withdrawal symptoms from my favorite sinful snack) Moderation generally works if A: you have no bad temptations in the house, or B: if you have no stress that would cause you to lose control and binge. For the longest time, I was able to limit myself to one square of dark chocolate every night. It was almost a year in fact, then some stressors came up and the one became three, etc. Soon, I could no longer purchase it as I would scarf down the whole bar. Trying again and can usually limit to three, but would prefer doing better, it limits you what else you can have if you have too much of the high calorie treat. I for one, love my healthy foods -I was so happy to get back on them after a weekend of BBQ's. I personally think I need a bit more control then all things in moderation.

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LAFEMMEDELALUNE 9/11/2012 12:08AM

    I think "everything in moderation" is a phrase that was created by and for people who already/naturally live moderately. :P

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TBANMAN 9/10/2012 10:44PM

    Nope.

I don't do a heck of a lot in my life that's "moderate." And I for sure have no sense of what "moderate" is when it comes to food. The few times that I've gone off the tracking plan and ate "instinctively" I always gained weight.

Maybe that means that eating "normally" or "moderately" for me means I'd be a moderately bigger person. Sorry, not acceptable.

My feelings on that score are anything but moderate.

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 9/10/2012 10:05PM

    It's better for me to just not even get started.

Otherwise it's kind of like an alcoholic trying to have "just one drink," or a former smoker having "just one cigarette."

LOL

The only exception is if I go specifically to, say, the ice cream place, and get ONE KIDDIE SCOOP, eat it, and then come home. There is NO WAY I could have ice cream in the house.

Just last week I tried the experiment with some Roquefort cheese. I even separated it into separate 1-oz portions in their own snack bags. I did pretty well for the first couple of days, having one per day, within my calorie limits.

Friday rolled around and I found myself eating the last three pieces, in a feeding frenzy that eventually ended up being approximately 3600 EXTRA calories.
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So, yeah. Cheese is STILL off limits.
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And moderation? Not happening. Not with trigger foods like that. Not unless I can buy JUST ONE OUNCE.

Comment edited on: 9/10/2012 10:12:38 PM

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FIFIFRIZZLE 9/10/2012 10:01PM

    I agree it is much easier to have a restricted range of choices, until you just can't stand it any more and bust loose! Perhaps that is where moderation can come into play?

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NEWKAREN43 9/10/2012 9:44PM

    I'm an all or nothing gal myself...it comes with an addictive personality. I know if I eat one cinnamon bear, I'll eat the bag. Not so much with potato chips, because I'm a sugar girl, not a salt girl...

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PHEBESS 9/10/2012 9:23PM

    Moderation in some things works - like chocolate, because I am able to stop at a reasonable portion. Same with ice cream. And if I have too much, or too frequently, I feel ill - therefore moderation is relatively easy.

Potato chips, on the other hand, can be, well, less easy to moderate.

On the other hand, I don't do well with an absolutely no policy, either - because sometimes a craving goes on for days, and I'm just hungry until I satisfy that craving.

So I have to balance the craving with moderation - the single-portion servings make life much easier since it balances the moderation and craving for me. That way I don't have the item in the house, I just eat one portion when I'm out, when I just can't stand it any more and I'm ready to eat the entire fridge just to satisfy that ice cream craving.

Does that make sense?

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CRYSTALJEM 9/10/2012 9:17PM

    Moderation works for me most of the time. Since tracking on SP I think I have a pretty good feel for portions. Where the challenge for me is when it's something I really really really REALLY LIKE like um potato chips. Those things where once I start I have a really hard time stopping. Those things I have to make a firm decision am I having some (e.g. buy a tiny bag because then I can't break my decision to only have a few - cause a few is all there is!)

Most things, even those I really like, I can have some and then put it aside, or choose to "fill up" on something healthy along side like fresh veggies.

It doesn't always work, but truthfully I don't find one approach works for me - I've always been the type that has to mix and match otherwise I fall off the wagon, get bored or whatever.

So bottom line - moderation works for me - when I use the practice in moderation.
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Gentian Blue

Sunday, September 09, 2012

Feeling a little blue about nothing in particular today so . . . Charlie and I went to the swampy woods which reliably has gentians at this time of the year.



Not my own picture . . . because I'm not a skilled photographer at all . . . but this image captures perfectly the unique blue that I look for every year at this time.

Charlie had a wonderful run along the trails, ears flopping and tail wagging and yipping occasionally with sheer exuberance. He races ahead, turns around to make sure I'm still with him, runs back just to smile joyously, and then takes off again.

The yellow goldenrod and wild asters (every shade from palest mauve to deep deep purple) were also in bloom. There were just a very few bright red maple leaves. And the "BEARS HAVE BEEN SIGHTED IN THIS AREA: Keep your dog on the leash" sign had been posted: didn't see that one until Charlie and I were getting back into my car! I don't know how brave Charlie and I would have been if we had known!

If definitely feels like fall. Last weekend was sleeveless top and shorts: this weekend jeans and long sleeved Tshirt and jacket, with warm socks and duckboots. I made a huge pot of French Canadian pea soup, and some apple crisp with new season Paula Reds.

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MAMADWARF 9/11/2012 12:22AM

    Love going for walks with my dog. Its always nice. Love the flowers!!

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DONNACFIT 9/11/2012 12:07AM

    Great blog!..I love hearing about the flora and fauna of your area!! So different from here.

It's still hot and dry here, though we've had a couple days of frost it's back in the mid 30's C and really windy and dusty :(

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TRAVELGRRL 9/10/2012 2:21PM

    Sounds like a beautiful walk!

Yes, it is fall here as well -- highs only in the 80s, LOL. But it is in the 60s early in the morning when we take our walks.

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DDOORN 9/10/2012 11:12AM

    Yep, this past week has decidedly brought a scent of Fall to the air. Along with mixed feelings too...regretting the summer that I didn't really jump into with both feet, sensing the potential of jumping into fall with both feet, but still unsure and lacking the confidence I used to have so much of...

Don

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NANCY- 9/10/2012 8:47AM

    Ah!!!! you transport me to a place or beauty and peace. It is wonderful that bears did not interrupt you r wonderful day.

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NEW-CAZ 9/10/2012 2:59AM

    A walk is a wonderful way to lift a blue mood, I can feel autumn coming on too.

Love that.........not so keen on the fact winter follows!

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_LINDA 9/10/2012 2:07AM

    Wow! Gorgeous flower! We sure don't have those around here! LOVED your descriptive walk, felt I was right along with you! The bear warning would have made me mighty nervous though. Charlie's yipping would have warned the bears off though. They are generally shy and avoid contact if there is enough warning. The bottom has certainly fallen out of our temperatures too. One day got down to 3.
Glad you made it home safely and could enjoy that classic soup!

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 9/9/2012 11:40PM

    I sometimes have a hard time shaking those kind of vague things...

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PHEBESS 9/9/2012 11:21PM

    I'm glad you were able to walk off (and to) the blues!

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ONEKIDSMOM 9/9/2012 7:17PM

    Sounds like your Charlie is a scout, as my Diamond was. Much the same behavior on runs... she'd lope out, come back to check on us, and head out again. Love him extra for me today!

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SLENDERELLA61 9/9/2012 7:16PM

    I've never seen a gentian blue in person, but now I definitely want to. Watch out for bears! I heard this is a bad year for bears in lots of communities. Your soup sounds wonderful, especially with your cool weather. It will be months until we have long sleeve weather, and I'll enjoy it when it comes. You enjoy now for me, too!! Hope the blues stay in the flowers! Take care. -Marsha

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SWEDE_SU 9/9/2012 6:56PM

    i just saw gentian blue for the first time on friday when we hiked up the mountains here in the north cascades! didn't take any pictures, though. we had pelle the border collie also gleefully running back and forth. yesterday we hiked in the valley, and saw bear sign everywhere, but no bear. pelle was running about then as well. still summer here by day, but it is awfully cool in the mornings!

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