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Primal vs. GersonSunday, April 15, 2012
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BSTAKINGACTION
4/28/2012 7:46AM
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Michael, I've been off SP for a bit, so am just catching up with your journey. I so appreciate you sharing this with us. So valuable! I'm seeing that I need to start journaling about my physical, mental, emotional and spiritual reactions to nutrition. Much to be learned!
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PRIMALVIXEN
4/23/2012 12:22PM
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I watched a documentary years ago on Gerson. Can't remember the name of it though... Anyways, I hope things work out for you. I worry about all the sugars from juicing and I think in my case I would have to get rid of this candida before going into a more carb related lifestyle. I'll keep checking in to see how you do! I can say that if I ever got cancer or some bad disease that I would most likely go towards a Gerson diet...
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ROSGETSSERIOUS
4/22/2012 6:20AM
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Thanks Michael - I always get so much from your blogs - you send me scuttling to Dr Google for more knowledge. Congratulations, I love your enquiring mind. Can't wait to read about your results. Cheers Report Inappropriate Comment |


HIPPICHICK1
4/16/2012 1:33PM
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Here's what I know: Eating a tons of greens is really good for you and food is medicine. Terry Wahls, M.D. who says she cured herself of MS recommends eating 6 cups of greens each day and 3 cups of colouful fruits and other veggies in addition to fish, grass fed meat and very little dairy and grains. I try to eat as much green stuff as I can every day and keep the grains down to a dull roar. I still eat my HippiGranola every morning, but I don't eat bread every day. If I had more time I would make my own bread from spelt flour - the ancient grain that came before wheat. I read that wheat is a hybrid of spelt. I think people bothered by wheat tolerate spelt much better. You can get your carbs from fruit and TONS of veggies and still leave most grains behind. One can become constipated by eating too little as well as too much fibre. You can track your fibre on the Nutrition Tracker. I've been doing this since 2008 and it's really helped me out. Vitamin C is needed by the body in quite large quantities. I take about 1500 mg each day in addition to eating about 8-12 servings of veggies and fruits every day. We don't juice but are contemplating it. I think that juicing helps the most with regard to getting a lot of nutrients that having a minimum of 5 servings of fruits and veg can not do for us, but it is also my understanding that fat is needed to synthesize vitamins in the intestinal tract so a diet that has an absence of fat puzzles me. I think our commercially grown food is nutrient poor. Apples head the list of The Dirty Dozen (pesticide treated foods) list at #1 with a bullet and I wouldn't juice them. I cured myself of gout in 2007 after 4 days on my own version of a diet that was recommended for gout. Food is indeed medicine. How did I cure my gout? I stopped eating red meat for a while and now only have organic grass fed beef about 3 times each month. I stopped drinking beer. I stopped eating a lot of fat. And I ate a LOT of fat then...this was pre-Spark. No more butter, cream, sauces, gravies, etc. I cut out foods that contain purines which included veggies like asparagus, Brussels sprouts, and another purine containing food - oats. I started drinking a lot of fruit juice and especially cherry juice. After 4 days my pain was gone. I think being your own experiment is cool. I've been experimenting too! Report Inappropriate Comment |


_RAMONA
4/16/2012 12:55AM
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Interesting as always and is ringing some bells for me... for a juicing resource and references, check out the 'Juice Feasters' team (several people have done or are doing 90 day juice fasts/feasts): http://www.sp arkpeople.com/myspark/groups_in dividual.asp?gid=51033 ...you can also link directly from my page/teams. Michael, you never fail to inspire me, and I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your willingness to share your journey and thinking/research! Report Inappropriate Comment |


EGALITAIRE
4/15/2012 8:53PM
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Hey Michael - love it when someone else does the research for me. Seriously, good for you to keep trying, when we are satisfied with the results and outcomes, we stop learning, growing and stop getting better results. Very interested to hear how your body responds. For a period of about two years, I juiced daily. I found the juicing to be invigorating - I didn't have weight to lose at the time and was generally in good health, so can't say it changed much substantively, but I definitely felt healthier and more energized overall. Report Inappropriate Comment |


KATHY_NATURELVR
4/15/2012 8:53PM
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Good luck with testing out the theories. I hope one of them is a good long-term solution for your ailments :)
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PETALIA
4/15/2012 7:39PM
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It is so interesting what you write. You are so aware of nutrition, what you put into your body and how it responds. I remember an earlier blog posting of yours in which you wrote about listening to your own body. You seem to do just that and with great attentiveness. I made a major dietary shift about a year ago that I've responded to well. I grew up eating a complex-carbohydrate plant-based diet. I continued that in my adult life. A year ago, I adjusted my diet to a protein/fat oriented plant-based diet. My overall health and energy greatly improved. I worked hard to listen to my body and what it wanted. Was it removing grains, my carbs, today, primarily coming from fresh vegetables? Was it a much greater amount of raw and fresh foods in my daily diet? Was it greater fat and protein? Well, it's fueling me. It is extraordinary that you've made so many heath improvements. I mostly chalk that up to you and your effort and ability to heed your body/mind. I am not at all knowledgeable about juice fasts and the like but I am very curious and I've wondered about the carb/sugar thing myself. I have a feeling you will know how your unique body responds to such a change by experience and your vigilant awareness throughout. You know you and your body better than anyone. I look forward to further missives. Report Inappropriate Comment |


PRIMALMICHAEL
4/15/2012 6:41PM
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Yep, that's me. I can't even say "good morning" in anything less than 500 words.
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LRK4CHRIST
4/15/2012 5:49PM
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WOW! U had a lot to say but thx for sharing.
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Here is an example of how we are conditioned by the media:
"Control your diabetes by losing weight."
That's sort of like saying that we should control the cause by getting rid of the effect. It's backwards. Actually there are some lifestyle choices that can contribute to both of these at the same time, yet this ad seems to ignore the real causes, and instead it indicates that excess body fat causes insulin resistance or blood glucose issues and that isn't true - there are a lot of overweight people that aren't diabetic.
Likewise, there are a lot of diabetic people who are not overweight. They apparently ignore the diabetic person who is at a normal body weight, which demonstrates that their approach is clearly flawed. That is the approach of the "#1 Health Website". We are in trouble.
To add to the absurdity, we have a stack of pancakes. Really? Carbs are converted to sugar in the blood stream so eating a stack of pancakes isn't going to help one control diabetes or lose weight.
This ad reinforces the idea of disease management - not cure. Why would anyone want to control their diabetes instead of cure it? That's because we have been taught that a cure isn't possible and control is the best we can do.
Well, I personally know someone who was cured of diabetes. It is possible, at least in the case of type II. She did it by NOT following the advice of her doctor, but researching it and curing it herself.
I've also been studying Gerson Therapy. Gerson Therapy has cured countless cases of type II diabetes. The problem with Gerson Therapy is that it is time consuming for patients and unprofitable for our disease management system in the US. We've been conditioned to pop a pill or get a shot so we can deal with it "quickly" and Gerson Therapy could put many hospitals out of business, so it is rarely talked about. Instead we see the nonsense indicated in ads like these - and worse, we accept the nonsense as fact.
I'm not harshing on Spark for the ad. I know how advertising works. I'm saying we need to stop believing in absurdity and stop doing things that we know don't work. I'm gonna be a little old man in a tin hat, running around yelling about conspiracies, living like a hermit in a cave somewhere if I keep this up, but I can't help it. I can't keep going along with the absurd lies. I'm trying so hard to not become the "Alex Jones" of health and wellness, but it's a challenge.
I checked out the website that is linked to that ad. The whole site (like the whole diet mentality) is backwards. The approach that we need to lose weight to get healthy is flawed. In reality, we need to get healthy to lose fat. Obesity is not a problem, it is a symptom of a problem. We should not be fooled into treating symptoms. It's backwards and unproductive.
You might think to yourself, "Well, I'm a bit overweight, but I AM healthy so losing weight IS my only issue." I assure you it is not. If you are overweight, your body is not working optimally. At the very least you are leptin resistant - its difficult to store fat if you aren't leptin resistant.
It is also possible to have digestive malfunction and have no symptoms other than being overweight.
It's probable that you are undernourished if you are overweight.
If you live in any developed region, you have an absolute store house of toxins inside you. You are simply not at your best - and I don't say that to be cruel. I am in the same boat as you and I make no statement about you that I don't make about myself. We all live in a culture that has a backward approach to health and to weight loss.
Amongst the many backward things on the linked site I mentioned, I found one of the stupidest articles I've ever read:
www.everydayhealth.com/diet-and-nutr
ition/0410/young-americans-need-to-cut
-calorie-intake.aspx
This article says that the average child would need to cut 64 calories per day out of his/her diet in order to reduce childhood obesity to 14.6% in 2020. That is really absurd on so many levels. It minimizes the problem and misdirects our attention.
The article also contains this paragraph:
"White youngsters would need an average reduction of 46 calories, compared with 91 calories for Mexican-Americans and 138 calories for black children, who have higher rates of obesity. Children and teens in low-income communities also have higher rates of obesity and would require greater calorie reductions than those in higher-income areas."
Could it be true that minorities and poor people just have more food than folks with a better income? I guarantee that isn't it. Could it be that "Mexican-Americans and black children" and those in "low-income communities" simply lack self control? Anyone who might believe that is blatantly ignorant.
Any reasonable person should be able to read that paragraph and conclude that obesity isn't about calories in - calories out. It's about the quality of nutrition. Have you ever been to a grocery store in a low-income community? We can be overweight and starving on a cellular level - in fact when we are starving on a cellular level, we are likely to be or to become overweight. Our bodies can't help but to feel hungry if we eat crap that doesn't nourish us.
The real problem is that generic macaroni and cheese is .68 cents a box and grass fed, organically raised, hormone and antibiotic free beef is 15 bucks a pound.
Another problem is that grass fed, organically raised, hormone and antibiotic free beef isn't readily available in low-income communities. The food banks are often stocked with refined carbs like mac n cheese, white bread, and ramen noodles.
Another problem is that we've been lied to for so long that we have a hard time thinking differently. We are told that grains are good for us and many people will not even consider all the damage they do. We are told that the chlorine in the water is safe, that fluoride in the water is good for our teeth, and that cooking takes a long time so we need drive-throughs and convenience foods. ...and as a culture, we believe that.
Quality food is the answer. If our bodies are really nourished, we need fewer calories and our bodies can operate at their best. Ramen noodles are 25 cents, they do nothing to nourish us, and they contribute to fat storage even if we restrict our calories. Organic asparagus is 5.99 a pound, has fewer calories, and contains real nutrition. Real food is simply not available every where and it does look expensive when compared to crap.
This is a huge socio-economic issue. It is an agribusiness issue as well. It is a medical industry issue. It is about profit. It is not a calories in vs. calories out issue.
We must, at the very least, stop believing the illogical ideas that the mainstream diet industry sells us. Most of us are not scientists, so we (mis)place our trust in those who are.
We need to stop, because it isn't about how much you eat or when. It isn't about how much you exercise or how often. You can't out-train a crappy diet. It's about nourishing our bodies with real food. It's about healing ourselves with real food so that our own internal mechanisms can finally properly regulate our fat storage (and blood glucose, and leptin response, and every other process in our bodies).
Organic vegetables may look more expensive at the store, but we can pay now or pay later in doctor visits, missed work, pain, and prescription medications that won't cure us - and extra pounds that do us no good. Don't let anyone convince you that 'health care' and 'disease management' are the same thing. They aren't.
There are a million other ads out there like the one above. Recognize them for what they are - hogwash.
Okay, I feel a little better now. I'm going to try to put away my soap box for the day, but I'm not promising anything.


BONNIE627
4/26/2012 8:27AM
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stay on that soapbox.. I have learned so much and you make me think about things instead of just taking everything at face value... thanks Report Inappropriate Comment |


IMLEENEY
4/14/2012 8:29PM
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Brilliant blog! Keep ranting!
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CSMNETC
4/14/2012 12:51PM
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Very well written. This reinforces truth that is not well supported in my world of 'healthcare', and certainly goes against what the politicized media portrays. - Thanks - Maryjean Gregory Report Inappropriate Comment |


MAKI34
4/12/2012 2:12PM
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It frustrates me to see how the groceries in low income have all crappy food but a town away I find fresh produce and veggies and good stuff at the same food chain store! I feel ya!
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-LINDA_S
4/12/2012 8:26AM
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You can get that soapbox out anytime! You are so right on about everything. The most frustrating thing to me is that Big Agra and Big Pharma practically run everything these days. It's so hard to fight the greed. I came here when I was diagnosed as prediabetic based on a glucose tolerance-insulin test. I've settled on a pretty much primal, lowish carb, although I am by no means as consistent as I should be. I haven't really lost much weight, but my A1c and blood glucose are very good, so it appears I have "cured" myself. I do need to find a way to deal with leptin resistance, which seems to be my major issue now. I don't know the answer to getting real food to low income people who really need it. So many things would have to change to make a real difference. There has to be a way to start changing the perception about what kinds of foods are good for people. There are now states that are cracking down on those who are not licensed nutritionists or dieticians but are giving real, important advice that conflicts with the orthodox views. This is very scary that even naturopaths or other alternative health practitioners could be banned from advising their patients/clients as to a healthy diet. We need to find a way to fight this! Keep up the good work! Report Inappropriate Comment |


MEWHENRYSMAMA
4/12/2012 8:07AM
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I hear ya...and just keep that box handy...I know you are not done...and we want to know what ya got to say, Michael! Thanks! Mary Report Inappropriate Comment |


WORLDSERIES11
4/12/2012 2:38AM
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More words of wisdom Michael! Thanks for sharing.
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DAWNFIRE72
4/11/2012 10:06PM
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Thank you for pointing out the article. I read the paragraph about the white children needing to eliminate fewer calories than those of other ethnic backgrounds the same as you did. Those in poorer areas are likely eating cheap crappy food so there fore their bodies are holding in every calorie it gets because as you said we are starving on a cellular level. They also keep saying that 50 years ago things were not that bad with obesity. However 50 years ago most families had their own gardens and a lot still hunted wild game. Even if they didn't hunt beef and chicken were not raised with artificial growth hormones and they weren't laden with antibiotics like they are now either. Heck I'm only 40 but I remember going to dinner at a family member's home and asking why the "chicken" had 4 legs and no wings (the answer actually didn't bother me much when I found out we had been eating rabbit, they were abundant and wrecking said family member's garden). Report Inappropriate Comment |


EGALITAIRE
4/11/2012 7:56PM
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You nailed it again sir - keep the soapbox, the world will be well served hearing your thoughts. Do you already have the tin hat or is that something you are looking to acquire? Report Inappropriate Comment |


LOVESLIFE13
4/11/2012 7:29PM
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I know what you mean about advertising. My boss heard you can lose 9 pounds in 2 days by eating only 50 carb for 2 days. She wants me to do it with her. I told her it was a gimmick, but she still wants to do it. So I told her to let me know how it goes!! Have a great day my friend!! Report Inappropriate Comment |


_RAMONA
4/11/2012 7:24PM
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Preach it, brother! Michael, this is SO very well written. Thank you for speaking my heart so eloquently. I've been responding to countless blogs lately written by people who are dismayed by having 'binged' yet again, while doing everything 'right' or by people who aren't losing any weight even though they are doing everything 'right' on their 'canned' program (much like the one above)... and they can't hear that their problem isn't their lack of will-power or their fat, but their lack of a nutritionally rich diet. I'm going to to simply start linking over here saving myself some typing time (I'm a terrible typist, lol). Report Inappropriate Comment |


FORTHEBETTERME
4/11/2012 7:20PM
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Really enjoyed reading this! It definitely makes me think about switching to more organic and healthy foods...rather than the frozen convenience foods I normally eat. I don't think that people realize that if you are eating whole foods, you don't need to eat as much to stay full because of the fiber and protein contents.
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