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Thanksgiving: a cautionary meal....

Wednesday, November 03, 2010

I was wondering today what the average calories for a "normal" Thanksgiving meal would be. I found between 2000-6000 calories! So my next step was to log what I figured an average Thanksgiving meal for me might be this year. I came up with about 900 calories. For the meal, not the whole day. Take a look at what I figured:

Turkey, fryer-roasters, light meat, meat only, roasted, 1 cup, chopped or diced 196 0 2 42
Bread stuffing, bread, 3 oz 151 18 7 3
KFC Mashed Potatoes With Gravy, 1 serving 140 17 5 1
White Dinner Rolls Rhodes Bake N Serv 1 roll, 2 serving 200 38 4 4
Butter, salted, 2 pat (1" sq, 1/3" high) 72 0 8 0
French's French Fried Onion, 2 tbsp 45 3 4 0
Green Beans (snap), 0.5 cup 17 4 0 1
*98% fat free cream of mushroom soup, 0.25 cup 35 5 1 1
Cranberry Sauce, canned, 1 slice (1/2" thick, approx 8 slices per can) 86 22 0 0

Dinner TOTALS: 942 107 31 52

This does not include breakfast, pie, Ham, pumpkin bread (OH Man, the pumpkin bread!!) This also does not include snacks (chips and dips usually which I can substitute baked chips and low fat dips and a veggie tray, probably deviled eggs will be in attendance). It also does not include the later in the night turkey sandwich.

So I need a plan. Heck, we ALL Need a plan!
Really, the only thing I see I would be willing to cut is only having 1 roll and I can have plain green beans as well as less stuffing. That takes it down about 200 calories. My current calorie range is between 1350 and 1650 a day.

I will stay away from alcohol and drink water and then we traditionally go for a walk so that should help. I will also drink a SOBE zero cause they make me full and they taste good. I will also do some sort of fruit (maybe turn it into a desert). That evening, we always end up at the Movies so I have gotten pretty good at just enjoying the show without having to eat popcorn (Maybe I will bring my own 100 calorie bag if I am feeling munchy).

One thing my bad day taught me the other day is I cannot eat like I used to. Nor do I want to.
I just want to at least have a plan in place. What is your plan? What is your weakness during this day of food? How are you gonna handle the upcoming holiday?

  
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SOCKS117 11/6/2010 11:46AM

  I wouldn't worry about it too much, even if you do "overeat" on Thanksgiving - it is one day. Just make sure that you send some leftovers home with anyone who eats with you, or if it is just your immediate family you perhaps make less?


After Thanksgiving, the turkey sandwiches make good lunches :) Just make sure you aren't eating any leftovers the same way you ate on Thanksgiving. One day won't hurt us.

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RIGBY31 11/5/2010 11:52AM

    I'm seeing lots of panic on lots of blogs re: the end of the month food-a-thon! I'm having anxiety, but it's a good thing. At least I'll be thinking about it for the next few weeks, formulating a plan. Thanx for the scarey numbers!

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BECOMINGJAMI 11/4/2010 2:58PM

    I'm reading this late, but wanted to comment anyway. It's such a great idea to put Thanksgiving on our radars now so that we can do damage-control prior to the event - thereby being proactive instead of reactive (and potentially emotional, depending on how much drama your family tends to pack.)

I'm fortunate in that my sister (who's trying to lose baby weight), my mother and I all cook together and only for a small group, so it's fairly easy to make something work that's healthy AND tasty.

And then we'll probably end up on the Wii for family games. Maybe take a walk.

Thank you for putting this on my radar!

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GRACEISENUF 11/4/2010 11:22AM

    I must confess Thanksgiving I do not count/log or plan ahead. It is a total "cheat" day for me. I prepare a dinner fit for a king with all of my Mothers old recipes and the entire family chows down.

Kuddos to you for planning ahead Jan. The day after you will be glad you did and I'm sure my pants will be tight, lol.



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BIGMAMAT 11/3/2010 11:08PM

    Sounds like a plan! emoticon I am gonna wing it. lol. There are always a lot of veggies present at my mom in laws. She makes a killer salad. I may take a healthy sweetpotato dish or something. (if there is such a thing, haha)

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MAMADWARF 11/3/2010 5:15PM

    I kind of like the "I-am-not-gonna-worry-about-one-day approach. But I will probably do a running tally in my head of where I am at (if I dont actually log it) as I go. I am just going to try to be mindul about what I am eating. If its worth it, then yes. If I am eating it to stuff down family stress or drama from having 25 people at my house, then No. That is not ok. I really loved reading everyone's opinions about it. Thank you.

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BTINTERNET 11/3/2010 3:36PM

    Wow, that's scary math. I will need to do some of that myself.

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KAMAPERRY 11/3/2010 2:51PM

    Scary. I plan extra workouts.

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WATCHMEGO2 11/3/2010 1:53PM

    We had thanksgiving here in Canada a few weeks ago and I handled it very well. I got up that morning and went for a brisk walk of 11km. I had a light breakfast, soup for lunch and planned out in advance what I was going to eat for dinner. I ate 3 oz of white meat turkey, half cup each of sweet potato, turnip, carrots and dressing, 1/4 cup of cranberry sauce and I did have a sliver of pie with a small dab of whipped cream and a cup of tea. I was full but not stuffed. If you do go over your range don't beat yourself up over it, one day won't break you!

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BADASSBLONDIE 11/3/2010 1:45PM

    For thanksgiving, I can't afford to go see family so I don't have much planned. I'm far more worried about christmas cookies...

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MYRTLEBEACHWINS 11/3/2010 1:16PM

    Great Idea doing the calories in advance. lots of time for making plans. For me, I plan to make a lot of healthy deviled eggs using no mayo and very few yellows. I will do them in a few different ways like tuna stuffed eggs and black bean stuffed. That will keep my protein level high and allows my to nibble on a half every now and then so I will not over eat. The egg white has under 25 and without yellows and mayo they can be a healthy choice. Now what to do about the dressing? Thanks for the heads up.

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ROBINSNEWNEST 11/3/2010 1:07PM

    hmmmm... have to think about this. I've been kinda worried about derailing over the holidays. It's not Thanksgiving meal so much as just having all that food (leftovers) in the house. That's when I tend to eat with abandon -- as if just one... three... seventeen more spoonfuls at the kitchen counter won't hurt me. Well, those bites hurt me. This much, we've established. Not sure what we're doing this Thanksgiving yet...

For sure, I hope to put gratitude before the food obsession. Just hoping the obsession doesn't follow! lol

Robin

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NEDERLUNG 11/3/2010 11:45AM

    Reading all the responses - and CLEVAGAL hit it without even realizing it.

As Americans, we have come to think of Thanksgiving as a day of pigging out first, giving thanks second. Maybe it is time to turn the tradition to giving thanks and reducing the feast back to a normal sized meal?

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MINIDRIVER63 11/3/2010 9:48AM

    My plan is to hike in the morning (1200+ calories burn!) and take small portions of everything. No seconds! Drink lots of water and avoid the eggnog.

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GREYPARK 11/3/2010 9:43AM

    I try not to think about counting calories that day. I think am looking forward to the turkey sandwich more so than the actual meal. emoticon
Yum-o

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HOLLYS_NEW_LIFE 11/3/2010 8:43AM

    Yah, Thanksgiving is making me more nervous than Christmas. I think I'm going to enjoy everything, even if it's only one bite. I can't give up the canned cranberry sauce, mom's home made noodles or stuffing. Everything in moderation right?

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ATREAT4ME 11/3/2010 7:57AM

    I will be having a small portion of fried okra. I can skip dessert. Green beans, salad, and turkey will be center on my plate. My thoughts is skinny people survive the holiday and co can I. I will also plan on at least 2 walks that day (AM and PM) and one of them may involve running.

Way to think ahead! Good job, Jan!

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LJOHN44 11/3/2010 7:53AM

    I'm Turkey Trotting in the morning (4.4 miles) and I don't plan on tracking that day. It's one day out of the year, my favorite holiday. I'm going to make sure I get my water and freggies in and then not worry about it. I also plan on tracking every leftover that passes my lips and not go over my range. It's the leftovers in the days after that have the potential to derail me.

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HEALTHYASHLEY 11/3/2010 7:47AM

    I have an AMAZING low calorie pumpkin pie recipe if you want it! I plan to eat reasonable portions but I am not tracking either and I will be drinking my wine hehe. You can do it Jan. Way to think ahead. You are awesome.

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_COSMOPAULATAN_ 11/3/2010 7:38AM

    My plan is to run a 5k that morning and eat reasonably. But Thanksgiving reasonable is a lot different than Everyday reasonable. I'm not tracking that day fo' sho'.

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DAISY443 11/3/2010 5:28AM

    I already did my Thanksgiving trial and managed to hold the total day to 1500 calories. Left off desert, but had white meat turkey, dressing, oyster dressing, cranberry relish, mashed potatoes and gravy, all in small amounts and filled up on carrots, radishes and celery. On the real Thanksgiving, I will pull out some of the frozen leftovers and enjoy again! Thanks for doing all the math!

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CLEVAGAL 11/3/2010 12:49AM

    Whats thanks giving actually for....I tell you what aussies know about it: its like the pre xmas pig out. Something to do with the english american migrants and the indians....

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Stress and eating

Monday, November 01, 2010

So I woke up feeling crummy from my cold. I have had it for a few days but had been feeling ok until today. Came out to my office and the phone calls began and the stuff that needed to be done just kept getting higher and higher. Couple that with a 30 minute wait time to my health care company who then promptly disconnected me during a transfer sent me into the house for some chips. I ate a small bag (150 calories). Came back out to tackle more frustrating stuff and it has become a day of getting nowhere slowly!

Text from daughter 1 crying at work cause people were rude to her, daughter 2 stomping out to loudly complain about daughter 1, (sent packing back into the house with instructions to "get over it"), cat fight in the yard (Yes, real cats not the girls. One of mine and someone else's).

Finally I went in for lunch. Heated up some soup and a grilled cheese which normally I would have had one or the other but said screw it, am having both! Intended to eat both cups of soup but could only eat half... couldnt even BINGE right today! (of course is binging on soup really binging?)
Then ate a 80 calorie sugar free cookie even though I was full.

You know what? I tried to go back to my old ways today. I really did. What it proved to me is I am not the same, I do not react the same, and the things I found comforting before are not the same.

The only thing that is working is crossing things off my list. With each check mark, the stress is lifting and that feels better than cookies do. Boy, I never thought I would say that.

Maybe I will really go wild tonight and eat a bunch of fruit or something! Maybe even a fat free pudding! Hey, dont try to stop me... I am wild! Untamed! Unstoppable! Just you move out of my way and watch me go... Yeah, probably for a walk. And not to a bar either.

Pshhhhh what the heck happened to me?

  
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BAMBAM87 11/5/2010 11:20PM

    AHAHAHHAH

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GREYPARK 11/3/2010 9:27AM

    Your funny!!! I hope your over your cold soon! emoticon

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KJDOESLIFE 11/2/2010 4:10PM

    Hope you feel better! I've had a cold off and on as well and it really puts a damper on things. It's either the cold medicine or the headache, but I can't focus on anything.. lol... very entertaining!

I did the same, although it was with tootsie rolls. I tried to have a whole handful, but after a couple they just didn't taste as good. Yuck!

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KAMAPERRY 11/2/2010 12:26PM

    Hugs, and hope you feel better. emoticon

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ZIPLOCK 11/2/2010 9:20AM

    You're a riot!! I laughed at the "cat fight" comment too...still laughing LOL.

I love that your inner self has taught you that attempts at binging are not as desireable as they once were! THAT's a major accomplishment! Congrats!!

Go wild with the fat free pudding - you're OOC (Out of Control) LOL !!

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HEALTHYASHLEY 11/2/2010 9:07AM

    I had one of those moments this weekend. We got chinese food and I would have eaten twice as much as I did and I wanted too and I was sitting there thinking I just don't have it in me to eat like that anymore. Then yesterday I had 3 small cookies over the course of the day and I was laying in bed last night beating myself over them. I realized it wasn't that bad and before I would have eaten the box. I have changed too and it is a permanent thing. Pretty exciting for both of us! I hope you feel better.

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NEDERLUNG 11/2/2010 12:15AM

    As fun as this was to read and as much fun you might be having - please don't take it all for granted. You have made new habits to replace those old ones and a little pressure might not break the dam, but lots of pressure will. Enjoy your little fun today, but back on track tomorrow!

Please, you've worked so hard, I don't want to see you back slide. Love ya - Debie

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KICKINGIT@56 11/1/2010 10:52PM

    Sounds like you needed a referee's costume or even a police woman's. Your restraint in the face of all that was amazing. Congratulations, you have moved on to the next level.

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BTINTERNET 11/1/2010 10:16PM

    You are so funny and real! I love that! (I was sitting here reading the various Halloween candy blogs and eating... a big wild crazy bowl of fruit!)


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TYEASLEY 11/1/2010 9:13PM

    You crack me up!! You have been sparked!! I have often felt like this and it never made me belly laugh like this. emoticon

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SARAWALKS 11/1/2010 7:18PM

    Gee you've got me all excited about the idea of FAT-FREE PUDDING! emoticon
WOW, AFTER I DO MY CARDIO, GONNA HAVE ME SOME TOO!
It does change you, doesn't it? emoticon emoticon

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_COSMOPAULATAN_ 11/1/2010 7:13PM

    You are having a day... we all have one. Breathe and it's going to be over tomorrow. emoticon Hang in there friend.

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DAISY443 11/1/2010 7:11PM

    Obviously, you have been SPARKED and will never be the same again!

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BIGMAMAT 11/1/2010 7:00PM

    Ok, I first have to say that I hate it you had a bad day... Then I have to say, I am still laughing about the cat fight! hahaha. It didn't even cross my mind that you could be talking about "real" cats. Oh goodness.
Wow woman, you are just WILD! steer clear of that fruit! hahaha emoticon

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CLEVAGAL 11/1/2010 6:29PM

    its days like these that show us how things have changed....Cleva xxx

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MAIA2011 11/1/2010 6:06PM

    You are so awesome! Sorry your day is not great but you are terrific! That was funny about not being able to binge right anymore.

That sounds like a giant breakthrough to me!

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GRACEISENUF 11/1/2010 5:55PM

    The Spark bug bit you in the ars! What a day you have had...hopefully you will have a nice, quiet evening.

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Before I was a superhero

Sunday, October 31, 2010

This is what 54 pounds in 7.5 months looks like on me.



  
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KJDOESLIFE 11/2/2010 4:10PM

    Great job! You look awesome!

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BRAINYBLONDE5 11/1/2010 5:26PM

  LOVE THIS. YOURE AN AMAZING PERSON & AN INSPIRATION :)

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CLASSACT911 11/1/2010 2:17PM

    Very cool. Jan your weight loss has been a catalyst for me. That is the reason I am starting my New Year early (You commented on my blog)

I realize you've lost in the last 6 months or so what I've lost in 3 years. I'm not giving it enough. That's what I'm realizing. So now I"m giving it more. It's time to do what is necessary to lose the weight. I may have to talk my mom into buying me a sewing machine to take my clothes in so that I can continue wearing them (they're already too big and that was from purchasing the lot of em) I bought 26's and should have bought 24's instead.. lol

Either way it's time to rock what my momma gave me and get the roll off my body and out of my life.

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MAIA2011 10/31/2010 9:53PM

    OMG! INCREDIBLES!

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ROBINSNEWNEST 10/31/2010 9:52PM

    emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

Great job, Jan!



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HEALTHYASHLEY 10/31/2010 7:09PM

    You look awesome!

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CLEVAGAL 10/31/2010 6:36PM

    FANTASTIC!

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ONEGREATCAT 10/31/2010 5:52PM

    GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR!
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KAMAPERRY 10/31/2010 5:21PM

    Yah!!!!! emoticon

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TIKITAMI 10/31/2010 3:47PM

    Very very cool!

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HOLLYS_NEW_LIFE 10/31/2010 3:36PM

    I love it, you look fantastic!

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HALFFAST 10/31/2010 3:07PM

    This is fantastic! Way to go!

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AMOHAME2 10/31/2010 3:02PM

    You really do look like a superhero!!

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UHYEAHABOUTTHAT 10/31/2010 2:59PM

    emoticon emoticon

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BTINTERNET 10/31/2010 2:58PM

    Awesome!!!

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_COSMOPAULATAN_ 10/31/2010 2:56PM

    You. Are. Amazing.

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DAISY443 10/31/2010 2:00PM

    Wonder Woman!

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TYEASLEY 10/31/2010 1:46PM

    emoticon cute!!

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BIGMAMAT 10/31/2010 1:41PM

    Awesome! Woohoo! mama you are my hero!!!! flyin high on life!!! emoticon

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GRACEISENUF 10/31/2010 1:25PM

    You my dear make "Boy Wonder" look HAWT!
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NEDERLUNG 10/31/2010 1:24PM

    OK, you really should be wearing a superwoman costume - but look at that neckline... HUGE HUGE (sorry, but really...) look at that neckline....no more double chin. You really are admirable!

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Pre-Halloween (pictures)

Friday, October 29, 2010

Batman and Robin are getting ready to go to dinner with the family!


Robin had obviously been very bad today...lol.


  
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TANSHAN1 11/1/2010 9:40AM

    Too Fun!

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MAIA2011 10/31/2010 9:58PM

    You know, I always suspected that about Batman and Robin. (Take a close look at that pic. It may appear even dirtier than you intended!)

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ROBINSNEWNEST 10/31/2010 9:55PM

    Hilarious! I feel certain we would be sharing more humor if we lived closer! One year I was the butterfly and Bill was the "chief butterfly catcher" (complete with safari hat, name tag and a net). Thanks for playing along...



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ILOVEDOLPHINS73 10/31/2010 7:26PM

    That is too hilarious! Hope you have a good time, lol.

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AMOHAME2 10/31/2010 7:13PM

    You guys look great!!

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HEALTHYASHLEY 10/31/2010 7:10PM

    So cute

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KAMAPERRY 10/31/2010 11:30AM

    Love it!

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ZIPLOCK 10/31/2010 7:36AM

    What a riot!! You look great!

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BIGMAMAT 10/31/2010 4:07AM

    These are great! Thanks for sharing Jan! emoticon

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HOLLYS_NEW_LIFE 10/30/2010 9:17PM

    OMG, too funny! Hope you guys have a great time!

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GRACEISENUF 10/30/2010 4:28PM

    I love you and your sense of humor! You two are just to durn cute!

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MACILINN 10/30/2010 3:35PM

    Teehee! great costumes! ~Maci~

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NEDERLUNG 10/30/2010 10:29AM

    The only way this could have been more hilarious is if you would have been dressed as Batman and hubby as Robin - Smiles

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WATCHMEGO2 10/30/2010 8:28AM

    Love that third photo! (Didn't see THAT one on fb, lol). You guys remind me a lot of me and my hubs, you gotta have fun!

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DAISY443 10/30/2010 5:06AM

    Wonderful! LOL!!!

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BTINTERNET 10/30/2010 2:11AM

    ROFLMAO - you're so funny!!! Thanks for sharing!

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BRIAEL 10/29/2010 10:11PM

    Love it! Hilarious. :)

Have a great time at the party. Make sure you pinch Batman's butt. ;)

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_COSMOPAULATAN_ 10/29/2010 10:05PM

    O/M/G

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ATREAT4ME 10/29/2010 9:16PM

    ROTFL! Thank you.

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PURPLESPEDCOW 10/29/2010 9:14PM

    have fun at the party and after as well.

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TYEASLEY 10/29/2010 9:13PM

    Very very cute. Thanks sharing. I needed that belly laugh. emoticon emoticon

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Things that happened today

Thursday, October 28, 2010

I began with a Mamogram. Yep, sure did. I hope you will consider getting yours, too, ladies! They left the pix on the screen and of course, I looked through them. Not that I am a tech but I didnt see anything unusual so I assume all is well. You cannot leave me alone in a medical office. I get into all kinds of things!

While I was waiting, a lady was talking about going to a candy shop in the next town for caramel apples so I told her where to go in our town instead and we started talking. She said her and her daughter started weight watchers last week (um door opening WIDE for me to pipe in) so I told her about spark (I never did make those damn cards I talked about) and she was really intersted and excited. The apple is her treat for getting mamogram.

SO I came home and worked in office which involved a 1 hour call to quick books tech support (I realize I never would have figured it out by myself) and got the windsheild replaced in my truck. (Several items now crossed off the big to do list).

Then I went to Macys which just opened but I didnt see anything so I went to Torrid to look for Jeans (again). I didnt buy any cause they were all toooo much money and way too long. What the heck is with that? BUT (and this is a big BUT, not a big BUTT!) I did try on a size 20 and they fit although they were too long so I guess it is official now. Another size bites the dust!!!

I also did not get a pretzel or coookies or corn dogs or orange chicken. I got a water...lol. Partly because my throat is doing a weird tickle thing that is making me cough and I have to keep drinking something.

I realized something about my husband today. He does not just ask random questions. There is always something behind them.
He called to see what I was doing, was on his way home, blah blah and then he asked where the kids were so I told him they were gone here and there. I was thinking after I hung up, "Why does he care where the kids are? Thats weird". Then he calls me back and tells me he is coming home (uh, hello, you already said that!) and he goes, "especially if the kids are gone". At first I was thinking, well thats not very nice. what? you dont want to come home it the girls are here and then it hit me..... It was like he was doing the nudge nudge wink wink with his voice and I started laughing and was like "OH REALLY NOW" Oh Ok, I get it.

It has been a good day. The kind of day you could just kinda forget ever happened, an ordinary day where things just go along but you know what? I appreciate days like that. I really do. I hope you have an ordinary to extraordinary day, too.

  
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CLASSACT911 11/1/2010 2:12PM

    woohoo! I'm so glad for you on the size 20s

May I recommend looking for a dress barn in your area or a Fashion Bug. They do carry petite sizes as well as Tall. Hey if worse comes to worse get the tall ones and take em to the dry cleaners to get em hemmed. Or better yet do it your dang self!



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BRIAEL 10/29/2010 2:43PM

    Great reminder about the boob squishing session. Always good to promote regular checks! Especially for those of us with family history of cancer.

Sounds like an "interesting" afternoon *wink wink* - hope you guys had fun. ;)

Isn't it whacky when an ordinary day can seem special. I guess you found the secret to happiness. Keep on enjoying it. :)

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KAMAPERRY 10/29/2010 11:56AM

    emoticon Love it!
Oh and I got my mammo yesterday emoticon

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NEDERLUNG 10/29/2010 10:47AM

    You sssssss eeeeeeeeeeeee xxxxxxxxx yyyyyyyyyyy thang you, you left out the part where you met him at the door dressed only in clear plastic wrap!

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BTINTERNET 10/29/2010 9:34AM

    Woohoo on the DH coming home early! And good for you on the squishing. (I'm due in January, it's one of the few good things about being big-chested, it's not actually a real nuisance and they always get clear pictures.)

And yay for the jeans size (although what's with the length?!) emoticon

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WATCHMEGO2 10/29/2010 8:12AM

    Nice! My hubs has been sending me lots of suggestive texts and emails out of the blue lately too....gotta love it!

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TIKITAMI 10/29/2010 2:49AM

   
Too funny. At least you figured it out!

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BIGMAMAT 10/28/2010 9:28PM

    Prefering my boobies non squished this year. lol.

I clearly remember the last one very well. The tech had a firm grip on my boob with both hands, pulling firmly across the room and if I didn't know better I thought she had her foot on my abdomen applying leverage so she could pull farther.. rofl ( I am passing this year because my insurance only pays every other year...)
Congratulations on avoiding all that unheathy stuff! emoticonHope you had fun this evening. emoticon


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ATREAT4ME 10/28/2010 9:24PM

    So if I make an appt and go to it, will MY DH call me? 'Cuz that makes it much more appealing. LOL.

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PURPLESPEDCOW 10/28/2010 8:20PM

    emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon hope you had fun if you know what I mean

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TYEASLEY 10/28/2010 8:15PM

    emoticon emoticonLove this blog!! emoticon emoticon

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HOLLYS_NEW_LIFE 10/28/2010 7:50PM

    I've been getting the boobies squished since I was 25 yrs old. It runs in the family big time. Congrats on the new jean size, that's always a good day! It sounds like you had a very productive day Jan, and keep spreading the Spark!

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CLEVAGAL 10/28/2010 7:46PM

    nice blog jan....

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SOFT_VAL67 10/28/2010 7:35PM

    i am very discouraged with my weight watcher experience this week, you can, if u want, read more about it on my blog, i am thinking the way they are doing at the meeting place near me isnt going to be a good experience for me, emotionally mostly, but, good thing u had yer mammies grammed, i am planning on one in the next few months.....have a nice day

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