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Friday, April 05, 2013

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This was sent to my email today, Interesting to me as I am on the list for knee replacement. I am not keen on surgery, not keen on hospital visits due to such rates of MRSA, and other messes from them. But I also want what is best for my knee and back. Also don't know how much my knee is afffecting my lower back pain.
I have one brother in law that had both knees done and it was the best thing he ever did, his twin however, had a terrible experience and is in worse pain.
Just wanting to know what people think and I am also going to print part of this as I have to make apt. to go to physio for my knee ( hamstrings are so tight in back of knee it is losing even more flexion).
Thanks and hope I get lots of interesting replies.

  
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KINEPS 4/7/2013 10:21PM

    Hi Cindy --- Knee replacement surgery is a subject that I am passionate about .... and can speak about with confidence since I've had both of my knees replaced.

I did take time to look over the article - and I agree with 2 points. First, exercise is important and second, surgery should not be your first choice. BUT, everyone is an individual and everyone has a different story. Just from reading this article, I don't think I would feel comfortable with this doctor.

I was about 45 when I went to the doctor with knee pain. She sent me for x-rays and told me I was a candidate for a partial knee replacement. I made up my mind on the way home from that visit that I was not having surgery - before I even spoke with a surgeon -- because I was scared and uninformed.

When I met the surgeon - he was (is) an amazing man. He spoke to me using terms I understood, answered ALL of my questions - but most importantly, he did NOT push me towards surgery. He laid out all my options and told me that I should try each one and that I would know when I was ready for surgery.

I will tell you that I was bone on bone with both knees, my legs were bowed, and if I didn't walk extremely slowly - I would waddle because of the pain. Standing for long periods was brutal and forget kneeling - out of the question. But, I had already had 4 surgeries (for different reasons) so I chose to try the other options - which included cortisone injections (which were a temporary fix), Synvisc Injections (which did nothing because I had no cartilage left) and p/t which made my legs strong but didn't resolve my problem. After 4 years I finally knew I needed the surgery. My family didn't want me to do it - mostly because they didn't understand how bad my knees were and couldn't begin to understand the pain I was in. I did see two other surgeons - at my husband's request - and they agreed with my surgeon. I knew in my heart and in my mind that I was making the right decision for me.

I had my right knee replaced in Sept of 2005 and my left knee replaced in Feb of 2006. I did p/t before my first surgery so my legs were strong going in which made recovery easy -- only 4 weeks. I kept at it and had the same results with my left. My daughter was in 7th grade and had a field trip to the state capital scheduled for the end of March and asked me to chaperon. I didn't want to let her down, and I didn't. I managed all of the steps and walking without any problems, and none of the mothers realized I had the surgery until I took out the card the doctor gave me to use going through metal detectors - just in case there was a problem .... which there wasn't.

It is a personal decision that only you can make. You know your body better than anyone else. Is it a cake walk? No. But if you go into surgery strong, your recovery will be a lot easier. You also have to have 110% faith in your surgeon. If you don't - than chose another one. I asked my surgeon how many knee replacements he had done, how long he had been doing them, and if he ever had any problems. He answered all three questions honestly. I would trust him with my life -- and I did! He gave me back movement and my life.

I will keep you in my prayers and hope that you find peace with your decision. Good luck ... I'm always here if you need to chat!

Hugs,
Maryann





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KOSHIE1 4/7/2013 7:24PM

    -I agree--surgery IS irreversible. And there is the fear that if you go to a guy with a hammer to fix a problem, then he will use his hammer... and if you go to a surgeon, he will advise surgery. When you talk to a doctor, be sure that it is NOT a surgeon who is advising you about your alternatives. It should be your GP.
-One specialist you may not have considered is a chiropractor. Check out "NETWORK" (a type of) chiropracty.
-WHO does a surgery is very important. Check out if such surgery is his specialty, how often he does it, and I would ask for references from patients (female, in your age and weight group). Knee replacement surgery has improved during the last 5 years, so disregard what you know about people who had it done more than 5 years ago.
-I second everything LOLATURTLE has to say!


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CHRISTINASP 4/5/2013 4:12PM

    First of all, thank you for posting the link, very interesting. And indeed funny how you and Stonecot are both posting about knees and arthritis today.
I'm not sure what my thoughts are worth.
But I must say I do not completely trust dr. Mercola. I've seen stuff and read articles by him before and I have the idea he has an ax to grind with regular medical practices. Which is fine, but my impression is he lets it get in the way of objectivity sometimes. I cannot know if that's what happens in this article.
I do see him recommending animal products in the article. I know that that is a controversial topic. Dr. Fuhrman in Eat to Live would advise against it. I cannot know what is 'THE' truth but I know I feel better not eating meat and I know that primates, chimps in particular who resemble humans most, don't really eat meat either. So that's one thing that does not make sense to me. But that's just a detail.

I think that it does make a lot of sense to first try ALL other options before surgery as surgery is so irreversible. I think that I'd pray, meditate, ask my heart and soul for guidance. I have the impression that you have done A LOT to deal with your pain and problems. You've done your best. If nothing else works, I would definitely not 'blame' you for trying surgery. But this is 'between you and your heart'.
Also, I think that in the end you must make decide on how you think you will feel either if you do or do not have the surgery. If you don't do it but keep on wondering if maybe it would help you, that is no good place to be. On the other hand if you were to have it but next keep on wondering if it'd been better not to have it, that's no good either. So I think this is also about knowing yourself. And that can be QUITE hard, I know that!
love, Christina

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FENWAYGIRL18 4/5/2013 2:35PM

    Yes you always have to go to a physician that you really can trust, a lot of them love to rush you in to surgery for a big pay day, thanks for warning us about that site...

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LOLATURTLE 4/5/2013 12:52PM

    Talk to doctors that you trust. They should confirm that knee surgery is the best fix for what is wrong with your knees.

My grandmother had stiff knees from arthritis. Three doctors told her that knee replacement surgery was not ideal for her - because she had very large bones because she was super short waisted, yet tall, and because she had STIFFNESS, not PAIN. They could not guarantee that she would NOT have pain after the replacements.

So she kept going to doctors until she found one who told her what she wanted to hear - that they would do the replacement.

It ended badly for her because she didn't listen. She wasn't a good candidate, and had it anyway. Then she didn't do her physical therapy and lost a lot of muscle strength while she was healing, so instead of helping her to walk better, she actually walked WORSE after the replacement.

My mother on the other hand had knee PAIN. She was evaluated and considered a very good candidate, and she did all her PT religiously, and now feels and moves much better.

So my advice is 1) talk to doctors who have a lot of experience with replacements, about if replacement is for you and if so WHY (if they don't discuss the WHY with you the pros and cons of replacement versus other options, ask someone else)

and 2) take every single thing you read on any mercola.com website with a GIGANTIC grain of salt. Mercola is NOT what I would call a "reputable" doctor.

http://www.quackwatc
h.org/11Ind/mercola.html
>His claims are largely unsubstantiated and he has a vested interest in "discrediting" reputable medicine because his primary interest in selling supplements. Of course he wants to convince you that you don't need drugs or surgery - all you need is some supplement or vitamin. Which he conveniently sells!

Be VERY wary of anything you read on his site, or anything you read that quotes or links to his site.

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JACQUEBO 4/5/2013 11:55AM

    I have 2 family members who've had replacements in the past 5 years. One of them is severely overweight and one is good weight wise. One is 83 and one is 60. I put these numbers in to give you perspective.
My 83 yo almost too thin father had replacement 2 years ago and has problems still to this day. He is very active and did all of his therapy as told. He gets around pretty good, but still has pain daily. He has arthritis in his back and it is degenerating, this could account for some of the knee issues continuing. He almost wishes that he hadn't had the surgery.
The other family member is 60, severly overweight female and she is moderately active. She has to use a cane still all the time. She had her surgery done 3 years ago. I don't know what her pain level is, but I know that it isn't as severe as it was before her surgery. I personally don't think I would have the surgery unless it meant that was the only way I could walk.
I hope this helps

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LILYDOG11 4/5/2013 11:05AM

    My sister took my mother to an athletic doctor who gave her a new way of putting a shot of gel in the knees it worked for my mom and she was 86, although it has to be done every so often. Hope this helps.

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MORTICIAADDAMS 4/5/2013 10:16AM

    Like most medical people, I'm not a fan of Dr. Mercola so I would do a lot more research if I were you. He is right about some things but way out there on other things. Unless he has changed over the years he has never been into surgery.

The vast majority of the people I know who have had total knee replacement wish they had done it years before but there is always the small percentage of people who suffer complications. There is no way of knowing which group you will fall into. In the mean time, are you not having physical therapy already? While you are awaiting surgery you can continue with the therapy and see if it works. If it doesn't you will have to decide whether to continue with a failed therapy or try something else that could work. I have found that most people who are not candidates for surgery for some reason often end up in wheelchairs and some of these people prefer that then the risk of surgery. The bottom line may come to the point of how much immobility and chronic pain you are willing to cope with.


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JENNIEQKA 4/5/2013 9:38AM

    I found about my arthritis affected knees when I started exercising as part of the SP program. Before that I would feel them but not as badly as my job was sedentary. It was such a terrible pain that several doctors recommended surgical procedure. A year later, haven't done anything about it yet. I did experience swelling and severe pain when I was doing body pump three days a week (lounges & squats with weight did the job) but now I do it only once a week and do everything else in the pool (water fitness, aqua zumba, lap swimming).
I almost forgot what knee pain is. For me physical activity does the job and as I am losing weight I expect it to get better and better.

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SENIMMO 4/5/2013 9:08AM

    I'm 45 and just had both knees replaced over the winter (left in september and right in december) it was the best thing FOR ME. I had spent 30 years after initial injuries trying everything else there was to try. Losing weight is also good for the joints, but hard to do when they are so painful! One of the things that helped me a lot was mineral ice (aka icy hot, biofreeze, polarice) it doesn't burn like a lot of the other stuff does. And working out in a pool is very knee friendly!

Research carefully, prayerfully, and make the best choice FOR YOU! I wish you the best!

Seni

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ANJAYS-JOURNEY 4/5/2013 8:55AM

    I have heard of going with the physiotherapy route than surgery and they had great success, when Janos` was a baby he had both clicking and discolating hips we went with non abvasive therapy physio etc instead of surgery it was new out, so we opted to try it, he has done great occasionally he has one hip that causes him pain on and off, but his treatment was done 20years ago. So yes if possible go with the therapy rather than the surgery just be prepared it will take a long time to see results and less pain, hope this helps

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STONECOT 4/5/2013 8:51AM

    This is really odd as I just posted a blog about how exercise has cured the arthritis in my knees, anfd is doing the same for my hips! I'm not computer literate to put the link in, but I suggest you read it as it might be relevant!

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NEW-CAZ 4/5/2013 7:41AM

    I have no experience of this Cinders but, if you enter
"Osteoarthritic Knees and Torn Meniscus" in the spark team search, a number of teams connected with this condition come up.
There are also 19 teams associated with arthritis!

http://www.sparkp
eople.com/myspark/groups_subcat
egory.asp?CatId=187

You might get some invaluable feedback from sparkers on those teams!

Good luck! emoticon

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Blog #2 today reminder

Wednesday, April 03, 2013

Saw this and I so need to remember this. Again thanks to Anjays- Journey for reminding me.

  
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MORTICIAADDAMS 4/4/2013 8:33PM

    And, to bastardize a famous song, "I it weren't for slow progress I would have no progress at all." LOL.

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ALEXSGIRL1 4/3/2013 7:29PM

    good quote love it !!! Thank you

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DADDYS_GIRL6 4/3/2013 2:10PM

    Amen and a plateau is not moving backward either!! ;-)

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NEW-CAZ 4/3/2013 12:48PM

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ANJAYS-JOURNEY 4/3/2013 12:33PM

    well said I will have to remember this too lol!!!

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CHALLENGER15 4/3/2013 12:19PM

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TWO-TOO-MUCH 4/3/2013 9:20AM

    Well said! Truth! Have a good day and don't freeze! :-p

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MBEHNKEN 4/3/2013 9:15AM

    Exactly!

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You will get a blog sometime this year that says it is hot NOT today

Wednesday, April 03, 2013

MAN BRRRRRRRRRRRR yet again the wind is so darn cold. Oh well no snow so far that is a plus!!!
Allie woke me this am by staning on her back legs and paws on the bed trying to get to my face, I was turned the other way lol So it was 7 am!!! up we got and allie and I went for a 2 mile walk. My back was sore on the r side when we started, then didn't do too bad and near the end was sore again. Came back, fed her, did dads socks, came here for bit, then went up and did 20 mins of upper body stuff and 10 of stretches for my back.

I never thought I would say this but can't wait to get off wheat.... I am always always hungry, eating way more than I need even if it is good stuff, eating more grain than I need. None of this went on while I was off grains.yes the last week before I started eating grain was getting hard but still nothing like this craving and not really wanting sweets just carbs. So my dr apt is the 23rd, wheat belly author is in town the 25th and naturopath is the 26th good progression. I have to decide if I can afford or want to afford $30 to go listen to dr davis. Think so.

Oaky going to go and have a shower and get a bit of stuff done around before we head out. We are going to visit sil, our niece left easter sunday and she is now settling into the apartment, she needs help with curtains etc. so hubby will put up her patio door curtains today and whatevr else she can't do. We will have lunch then visit and come home.

Best get a move on and besides this was long enough sitting. I am back buddies, and on a roll. Going to gt this body moving more, structured exercises beside walking, and back to eating well asap ( yes still doing better but you know what I mean) and the biggest thorn still - learn more recipes and try them!!! thanks anjay I need that push!!! and asked why I haven't gotten that book the person that was to return it is overdue. oh well can't use it right now anyway.

HUGS all have a super day and if in NS keep warm!!!

  
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MORTICIAADDAMS 4/4/2013 4:28PM

    I agree about the wheat. I need to get back off it too. The bloating is about to kill me.

You are so good to your SIL. It is nice to see family so supportive like yours is.

I want to do more recipes too. I'm sick of the same old stuff.


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ALEXSGIRL1 4/3/2013 7:28PM

    it was cold here too and windy have a great day

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PCOH051610 4/3/2013 9:19AM

    It was -8 here in when I left for work but at least it was bright and sunny. I was here at my desk for about one hour and looked out to see that it was falling. Now it is back to sunny. Boy, oh, boy!

Our dogs are not morning dogs at all...thankfully. I think it comes from both of being gone from the house until noon hour. When I finish work at the end of April they won't know what to think of having me around the house all day.

My leg is getting better with physiotherapy but I'm longing for the day when I can walk pain-free. It really made me realize that I take a lot for granted.

Susan

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Tuesday

Tuesday, April 02, 2013

Well sunny and cold. But love to see the sun! We went for a walk and even though she is walking better with the haltie my sides were so sore, we didn't go far. Oh well will try to get out later on before lunch.
I have an apt at 3, and also need to run downtown for a bit. I also have some plans to get a bit of other odds and ends sorted.
Going to stop now and move as just so sore today. I am going to do the bike today and some more stretches too.
Okay for now I am just putting stuff away. HUGS not feeling up to par today but going to ignore that and keep on going. cya

  
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LOOKINGUP2012 4/2/2013 9:08PM

    Great attitude!

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ALEXSGIRL1 4/2/2013 6:50PM

    hope tomorrow is better hugs

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MOMTOCONNOR2003 4/2/2013 11:44AM

    Hope you have a good day!


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MORTICIAADDAMS 4/2/2013 9:33AM

    Sunny and really cold here too. I hope my flowers survived!!

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MSKRIS7 4/2/2013 9:10AM

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ANJAYS-JOURNEY 4/2/2013 7:51AM

    hugs right back sorry to hear you don't feel upto par, hopefully you will improve as the day goes on

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NEW-CAZ 4/2/2013 7:25AM

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BLOG 2 and the best day in a lonnnng while

Sunday, March 31, 2013

Slept a bit better, as I mentioned in my previous blog. We went out to breakfast and the restaurant we normally go to was closed, so ended up at a dif. one. Was so nice for a change, tad more $ but nt bad and great taste and fantastic service - what a super friendly young man.
Then we went to lisas with the dog and visited, left Allie there to play and went to Chris and Annas. They were out in the yard, and kids were having a ball. Little Eva so tiny and petite and studious, was checking out her juice box. Thomas was blowing bubble. LOOK NAN PEPE OH PEPE look bubbles. lol. so they played and then I asked Thomas do you want to go for a walk. SURE I said go ask pepe. He gets hubby come on pepe lets go walking. So sure enough we 3 went around the block. OH the best fun. had to look down every drain at the water.. had to say WOW blue car my favorite, oh wow ar red car my favorite. LOOK snow. Look garbage lol he had a ball, ahd to walk on the curb and do a little tune. whenw e got back ds said he holds both his hands and walk on the curb singing circus music. lol They flew a kite in teh back yard, and threw a parachute man up in the air. I so enjoyed myself. and no pain well a bit well no not really only when walking adn helping him on the curb so hubby held his hand.
Got a pic of him with hubbys hat on. But eva had gone down for a nap so no pic of her today.
Then went back to dd and got allie, she is asleep on deck, hubby layig in his chair - most he has walked in ages, well last night around block with allie and today a bigger block with Thomas. I am still mostly pain free some pain in my L foot and so itchy. still can't figure the itch.
Our godson whom we barely know as we moved just before he was born, is in the city at university and called today asking if we were busy. None too swift and am going to mention to him if he wants to come over let me know a few days ahead. he did teh same thing for his birthday, the day of and we were busy. Anyway said we were having a roast dinner tomorrow so he is coming over. Told dad we were having co aloang with him. WHO grouchy, said our godson didnt knw you had one. lol
So now to tidy and figure a bit more for supper. thats okay. Good for Eric to visit, and will put us back in the good books with his parents, cos afte we didnt invite him over or go out with his on his bday, his parents hae stopped texting and meeting up when in town. Whatever.. he is 21 not 17. anwyay
Going to go get supper started, then start the job of garbage day tomorrow. gather all the paper, plastic, cardboard has to be tied together, do dads and then hubby takes it all out. lol Okay so thankful this easter, had limited pain, spent time with my kids, mur got outside and walked to boot and just feel great. So happy lol I could cry! lol well better than eating. and btw the 90% choc bar that I did buy is only got 1 block out of it. and even though it isnt sweet at all, I ddint enjoy it much either. Theres hope for me yet!
HUGS



Here is Thomas with pepes hat as his head was "cold pepe" lol

Allie and her sister Zuri allie is sitting down with the treat

and allie looking more at the camera
they look very similar only allie is bigger

  
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ALEXSGIRL1 4/1/2013 6:56PM

    Happy you had a happy good day mostly pain fee

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MORTICIAADDAMS 4/1/2013 4:35PM

    The dogs and grandkids are good for everyone. They get everyone moving in some way. LOL. Love the pictures!!

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LOOKINGUP2012 4/1/2013 4:12PM

    Love your pics! Enjoy the dinner.

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MINDY502 4/1/2013 10:04AM

    Sounds like you had a great day. The pics are so cute! Have a great week!

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HEALTHY4ME 3/31/2013 5:35PM

    Lol was just looking at this and OMG I so love that little boy. All boy he is.

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ANJAYS-JOURNEY 3/31/2013 5:30PM

    sounds like you had a great day

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