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Sports in FranceThursday, July 26, 2012
On my initial "look & see"' visit to Compiègne I received a ''Sports Guide'' listing all the clubs and teams available. It is quite a bit different from where I live in southeast Michigan. ![]()
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KAREN42BOYS
7/26/2012 12:31PM
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What a FUN list! Have fun choosing, maybe you need to try 4 or 5 of these new sports! Circus rts sounds vast and deep with possibilities!
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MCJULIEO
7/26/2012 10:36AM
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A twenty-something niece (Texas soccer background) who moved to France for her job wound up playing on a semi-pro SOFTBALL team there, because they really didn't have that many women interested in playing sports there, strangely enough.
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NINJA_SMOO
7/26/2012 10:32AM
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I just, two days ago, found a fencing school a few blocks from my home. I am soooo tempted! Let us know which sports you sign up for :)
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SLIMMERJESSE
7/26/2012 9:28AM
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I'll do circus arts. (smiling) Not sure what orienteering is.
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AWOOD1973
7/26/2012 4:47AM
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Love that there is such a variety! What a great way to keep up on top of your fitness!!! Report Inappropriate Comment |


STRIVER57
7/26/2012 4:01AM
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it's also possible that your karate style is there, but not listed because not an "association." your karate teacher ought to have a list of people doing that in France (there's probably some kind of international federation) ... though it is of course possible that there's no one in or too near Compiègne. probably in Paris though, so you could come in once everyone couple of weeks for a couple of classes, for example.
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CLAIREINPARIS
7/26/2012 3:38AM
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It sounds great!
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I am in the process of moving to France for work. I was offered the opportunity a few months ago...with no specific position named at the time but a promise of one to be found...and since I work for a French company an international posting, to France in particular, is a major coup. Few Americans get that opportunity and I'd have been short-sighted to say the least not to take advantage of it.
So we started the process and in the interim I had about 3 different potential positions until the final decision, which ended up being a promotion to the position I had expected last year. Bonus! So since June I've been going back & forth, starting my new position & closing out my old one, waiting for my work permit & Visa to be approved so I can make the final move.
Needless to say it is somewhat stressful. In addition to not speaking the language (yet) the culture and environment can be a bit different than Americans are used to. Fortunately I've been to France several times for work so it's not a completely new experience but somehow it just seems different from a short term visit.
For my fellow Americans, some of the differences I've experienced so far (outside of the obvious language & metric system ones):
*toilets are in a separate room from the sink/shower/tub in homes & hotels
*shower heads are typically the hand-held kind with a hook or something attached to the wall to hold them
*no shower curtains, just a short glass/plastic rectangle that is maybe 2-3 feet wide (so needless to say one gets water everywhere until figuring things out!)
*no window screens (and no mosquitoes!)
*occasionally see men urinating on the street (which is technically illegal but happens anyway)
*opening a bank account is a big deal - I had to provide proof of residence, a letter from my employer, pay stubs, my contract, and an utility bill.
*not that I will do this but the bank made very sure I am aware that bouncing a check is a major deal - if it happens, no more bank account...anywhere...ever...in addition to the legal penalties
*renting a home or apartment is also a big deal - I had to provide all of the same documents as above but also my current property tax bill and my income has to be a minimum of 3 times the rent
*homes are much smaller than we are used to in the US, and more expensive (than my area in MI anyway)...the house I am trying to rent is just under 1300 square feet and the rent will be as much as my mortgage in the US for a 2400 sq.ft. home
*yards are also much smaller (at least as compared to my neighbourhood, which is old though so the yards are much larger than the norm today for new housing)
*yards are typically completely fenced in around the entire property, front & back
*real estate agencies are all independent and there is no master on-line data base of all the houses/apartments for sale/rent in the region...so unlike the US where you can go to any agency and see everything regardless of which agency lists it, here you have to go to each individual agency to see only what the agency is listing. This really slows down the process
*at work one is expected to greet & shake hands (or kiss) all coworkers every morning...this is probably one of the hardest things to get used to
*no tipping in the restaurants, this is already included in the bill...another thing difficult for us to get used to
*there ARE "real" grocery stores and people DO shop for more than a day or two at a time...unlike what we are led to believe
*no peanut butter or Keurig coffee makers/k-cups...Nutella is just not the same and the Keurig equivalent is Tassimo
*air conditioning is not a divine right
*cars tend to be stick shifts and use diesel, not gasoline
*malls are not the norm, most stores are in street store fronts
*stores/banks/offices tend to be closed during the lunch hours, and close by 6-7 at night; they are also generally closed on Sundays, and some on Mondays as well; my bank, for example is open from Tuesday-Friday, from 8:45-12:30 and 2:00-5:15, and on Saturday from 8:45-12:00
*closing time does not mean you come in at 11:55 am when they close at noon and still expect to take care of your business; closing time means the time all business is finished.
*there are coins for 1 and 2 euros, not bills
I will be located in or near to a city called Compiegne, which is about 45-60 minutes northeast of Paris. Here is the wiki link if you are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compi%C3%A8gne
The house I found last week is in a tiny village (population 556) called Guiraumont, about 5 miles away from the Compiegne city center & about the same from my company. I'm still waiting to find out if I can rent it. Here are some pictures of the front & back of the house:
Front
Back
We (me, my daughter, Stupid Dog, and 3 of my 5 cats) will be here in France for 3 years. There may be a possibility to extend my contract for another year or two, but it's impossible to say what will happen 3 years from now. We have to go to the French consulate in Chicago on 8/6 to submit our Visa applications and the lady in immigration thinks we should be approved by mid- to late- August, at which time we will make the official move.
In the meantime my Dad is coming to MI for a week (from SC) to hang the last 3 interior doors and put in all the new trim & door mouldings in the house. I had thought about letting my son stay there when I move, since he is staying in the US to go to school. He will be 17...but I don't think he is quite mature enough to be allowed to stay on his own. He would survive but I don't think my house would fare well. So he will go live with his Dad which means he will have to go to a different school than the one he planned, and find a different job, since his Dad lives about 45 minutes away from us.
My daughter will be going to the regular French public schools. She just finished 9th grade in the US but will be repeating it in France since she is not fluent in French and is also "behind" in math - in MI our schools teach geometry in 10th grade but apparently in France the students have already learned it. So for her first year (anywhere from 3-9 months) she will be in the "special" French school to get caught up in her subjects (French & math) and when she is fluent enough in French she will transfer to the regular public school.
And in the meantime I am racking up the frequent flyer miles going back & forth!


VYVIENN
8/25/2012 8:40AM
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Nice place you found there! You'll also be pleased to hear that along the northern coastline, there are many dog-friendly vacation places (NOT something to be assumed to be normal in Europe, alas), in case you and Jaqc want to do a long weekend getaway sometime. It's funny you'd comment on Nutella. We the Europeans complain about the same thing, only in the reverse direction. I always find that as Nutella boasts to be a hazelnut/chocolate spread, it should taste at least a little like hazelnut, like it does here... Report Inappropriate Comment |


SANDY-TOES
8/1/2012 3:11PM
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Good luck to you and your daughter (and fur babies). My husband and I recently (days ago actually) have found we in a similar situation. We are planning a move from Florida to Puerto Rico. He is from Puerto Rico so it will not be a big deal for him, but it is for me. Enjoy the adventure! Regina. Report Inappropriate Comment |


PAMNANGEL
7/28/2012 12:04PM
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France! Wow! I get stressed just moving across town. Good luck to you.
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EUPHRATES
7/28/2012 11:25AM
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WOW, what an adventure! How exciting!
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MYOWNHERO
7/28/2012 11:17AM
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How exciting! This is an awesome opportunity for your daughter (and for your son too since I'm sure he'll get to spend some time in France too). Best wishes for all!
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ILOVEMALI
7/26/2012 4:02PM
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I love your change. It is brave. My daughter is planning to take her last year of college in Provence -- she is a vocalist and a French major. This is also brave!
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KKINNEA
7/26/2012 3:38PM
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What a big life change! I hope it's totally rewarding for you!
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BOILHAM
7/26/2012 8:56AM
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You know how to live. What an adventure you have in front of you.
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NOSUGARADDED87
7/26/2012 4:35AM
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Welcome to France! You'll actually be about 2-3 hours from where I am. If you need any help or want to chat, feel free to send me a message! I'm an American who lives in France currently, and although it takes a lot of getting used to, I love it! You are so amazingly lucky to be able to come here with a job already offered. In fact, it's seemingly miraculous. I have gone through unbelievable hoops just to get the right to work, and it seems that the Prèfecture wants to deny me that right until November. *sigh* I hope that your time in France is wonderful! :) Report Inappropriate Comment |


STRIVER57
7/26/2012 4:19AM
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Claire is right that some of those things are not quite true, at least throughout France ... but many of them are. We have one separate toilet and a toilet in the bathroom, which doesn't have a tub but only a shower (but then we renovated the apartment, which we owned, when we moved in). i think moving to a foreign country is one of the bravest and most challenging and most rewarding things one can do in one's life. the first year, most people feel (i certainly did) that surviving every day is an accomplishment, and that you've learned something new & made progress every single day. it's good you're staying at least 3 years, because you -- and your daughter -- will feel at home here sometime before you leave. sounds like she will be getting some "individualized" education for the beginning, which is wonderful -- individualized instruction in France is rare ... normally everyone is expected to fit into the mold, and tough if you don't. no allowances for people with less than major handicaps because that wouldn't be fair to the people who don't need them!!! if you have any questions about how they teach math here, ask me ... DH teaches hs math (and speaks fluent English and understands about the differences). good luck and feel free to ask any questions and to rant (you will feel like ranting often). btw, otoh, your bank can and should offer you an overdraft allowance ... Report Inappropriate Comment |


CLAIREINPARIS
7/26/2012 3:53AM
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It is SO brave to move to France without speaking the language! Congratulations for doing it! But you do seem like a very brave woman! May I say without offending you that a few things you are saying about France aren't right? For example if you never leave any tip in your favorite restaurant, don't expect a good service!!! Tip isn't mandatory, but it is seen as a kind gesture - which develops a relationship. Try and leave a little something (at least a couple of euros) if you found the service and food OK. If you don't, they will either think you didn't like it, or you are rude! The toilets thing made me laugh so much!!! The toilets are in the bathroom in my apartment, it is just coincidence that you went to places where the toilets aren't. The shower curtain made me laugh like crazy too!!! I have never been to a place that has a shower curtain like the one you mentioned! It is sooooo funny! As for the bank, I know you won't need that, but I am afraid you misunderstood. You still keep a bank account (otherwise you couldn't live a normal life!!!) if ever a cheque you wrote is rejected because there was no money on your account. But it takes a while (5 years I think) to have the right to write cheques, have credit cards back, etc. Thank goodness you aren't left without a bank account!!! What is true however is that you cannot open a NEW bank account during that time, in any bank at all. I never realized Americans thought there were no grocery stores in France, none of my American friends ever told me that. Oh this is just too funny! I have never ever owned a car that used diesel!!! Diesel is only worth it if you drive a lot, because cars that use diesel are much more expensive (and very bad for the planet!). As for shaking hands or kissing all your colleagues every morning, I think my colleagues would think I am completely mad if I did that!!! In my office (only French workers there), we only kiss or shake hands to wish each other Happy New Year when we come back after the holidays. Remember that you live in the 'Province', in the countryside by Parisian standards! Compiègne is a very small town. So many things will be different there compared to bigger towns and cities. For example most stores remain open during lunch time in Paris, thank goodness!!! The house you found looks like a typical 1980s-1990s French house! I hope it will work out and you'll enjoy it. Comment edited on: 7/26/2012 6:12:29 AM Report Inappropriate Comment |


SKNYMOMWANNABE
7/26/2012 3:12AM
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So I commuted to France from '91 until 94 and finally moved to Aix en Provence, with three small children in tow. I came "home" in '98 and my kids finished their high school education in France. One graduated from Tufts, one from Northwestern and one is graduating in December from Cornell. The academics are challenging but your daughter will grasp the language pretty quickly with some motivation, generally the peer thing works pretty well in this situation? The quality of life is so MUCH nicer in France than the US, the weather is nicer-family from Wyandotte & Trenton, MI-almost no humidity, very little snow where you are. Think of the differences simply as a new way of life, much like Spark . It is simply new, not different. Public markets are run 2-3 times a week and have fresh, seasonal produce, meats, cheeses and pretty much anything you want. Whatever you do, don't touch the fruit-the salespeople help you , self service isn't an option except when it comes to bagging groceries and then it's the only option, lol! Most Frenchies have really small refridgerators so they don't shop a la Sam's club or Costco and shopping frequently is simply part of their life. Many don't drive or own cars in the cities so getting a lot of anything is a bit of a hassle. Stock up on sneakers here and anything "American." I was lucky and got unlimited clothes/shoes from Adidas while I lived there but when I had to buy sports apparel, the sticker shock was huge. Try living the French life, take your vacances, enjoy Sunday as a family day and see the country by train, TGV. As long as you attempt the language the people are nice. Between my California accent, tone deafness and actually taking French classes in the southern part of the country I have an outrageously BAD accent...however everyone was incredibly kind, patient and helpful as I merrily butchered their language because I was told that most Americans don't even TRY. I was comdic relief at a few dinner parties by inadvertly using slang simply by changing the verb placement around. "It" can always be hot-Il fait chaud-"you" or "me" cannot be hot unless we mean hot like in heat...je suis chaud. Really it was a lot of fun, I'm so glad I had the chance to do it. We spent most school-year holidays in Paris with the children's grandmother and while the pace of life was a bit more frantic people were exceptionally generous with their time. There is tons to see and do in Paris and the surrounding areas, pace yourselves-the sights have been there for a couple world wars and a few hundred years. English books are pricey so invest in a nook or kindle, something we didn't have so I made do with book swaps. Have fun! Vive la difference! I am so jealous! Report Inappropriate Comment |


JENIYE707
7/25/2012 6:08PM
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You sure do have alot going on. good luck with everything. You deserve it.
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SPOOKYTHECAT
7/25/2012 4:05PM
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That is absolutely amazing! I am in firm belief that we only get one life , & to fill it with as much adventure & new experience as possible. & you are living my dream, I Will live in Europe (at least for a while) & speak French, someday. Hooray! Good luck ;-) If you get the chance, read Paris to the Moon by Adam Gopnik, may help ;-) Report Inappropriate Comment |


ALANNAYH
7/24/2012 10:09PM
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You have so much going on.... and the black belt testing soon!!! You are so amazing. I too look forward to reading more about your adventures!!!!!
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STUFFANFLUFF
7/24/2012 3:46PM
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Awesome! Sounds like a very hard, but wonderful choice you are making. Way to go!!
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SPOONGIRLDEB
7/24/2012 1:49PM
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Sounds like an awesome opportunity! I worked in Switzerland for a summer (not quite the same, but still...) and I know what you mean about the banks - I wanted to keep my "swiss bank account" but they wouldn't let me once I moved away. Oh well! LOL On a practical note, please make sure you do your homework on taking your pets! At my current job I endorse certificates for pets going overseas, and the EU changed all their rules this year, creating a nightmare for us! Don't forget to get all those ducks in a row well ahead of your scheduled move, so you don't have to leave them behind :-). Report Inappropriate Comment |


IMPROVINGME
7/24/2012 12:46PM
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How exciting for you! What a wonderful opportunity for you and your daughter! Report Inappropriate Comment |


ILIKETOZUMBA
7/24/2012 9:01AM
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All that stuff would definitely take some getting used to! You're so brave for being ready and willing to embrace moving to another country for several years at least...I wouldn't have the nerve. I admire you! Good luck with the house and transfer and all those flights! :)
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TRIANGLE-WOMAN
7/23/2012 10:26PM
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Sounds amazing! But change (even good change) is stressful. Take care of yourself! -M Report Inappropriate Comment |


STARL_73
7/23/2012 5:26PM
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don't forget everytime you walk into a store, you say hello to the salesperson. Especially before placing an order. As for "malls" - I haven't been to many, but it was different that you took your shopping cart throughout the building. I especially remember that at the mall.. think it was near the new arc (the modern one.. it's been so long since I've been there). Report Inappropriate Comment |


APED7969
7/23/2012 5:16PM
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That is such an exciting opportunity! From someone who's lived overseas for 8 years it'll get to the point where some of those differences will feel totally normal and it will feel strange when you go back to the US although there will be other things you miss about home. I'm sure that will be even more true with a different language. Good luck finding a new place and learning French!
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SADDYSPOT
7/23/2012 4:35PM
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I was in France last year for a couple of days as a super tourist (running from place to place). It was beautiful. Good luck on your adventure!
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WANT_POWER
7/23/2012 4:29PM
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I was chuckling from most of the stuff on your list. All of it seemed so normal to me, but growing up in Israel makes me closer to Europe than the US. Guess there's a lot more in common. Its a wonderful experience for you both. and think of all the weekend trips you could take to other European countries! Report Inappropriate Comment |


HOPEFULHIPPO
7/23/2012 4:07PM
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that is totally AWESOME!!!! I cannot wait to read all about your adventures :o) Report Inappropriate Comment |


KAREN_NY
7/23/2012 1:43PM
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WOW!! How exciting! Many of your observations are true in NL as well. I absolutely fell in love with the pace -- it wasn't "slow," but it wasn't burn-yourself-out-until-you-can't-f unction like it is here. I never really got a handle on how personal business is taken care of though. Are work hours sufficiently flexible that you can take non-lunch time to run errands? Or is Saturday the national errand-running day? I admire your fearlessness & wish you every bit of terrific!!! Report Inappropriate Comment |


TARABEAR
7/23/2012 1:34PM
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Congrats! That is so awesome!!!! Yes, it is and will be super stressful and difficult at times, but what amazing adventures you will have! I'm so excited for you!
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DOGSTARDADDY
7/23/2012 1:26PM
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Good luck with everything.. and please keep us posted.
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FIZZYBALL
7/23/2012 1:09PM
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Awesome! I lived there for 18 yrs. and do miss it some. High school was more like college is here. That's a life experience your daughter will never be able buy. What a gift you have given her.
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SAFARIBABE
7/23/2012 1:01PM
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Don't forget pay toilets in the middle of the sidewalk! The other thing we have at my French affiliate that I don't have in the US is a comapny cafeteria. Apparently going out for lunch is NOT the norm as we've been lead to believe -- the 2 hour lunch and all that. Sounds like you're embarking on a grand adventure! Enjoy it!! Report Inappropriate Comment |


KAREN42BOYS
7/23/2012 11:45AM
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What an adventure this will be! I'm glad your housing has come through.
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MCJULIEO
7/23/2012 11:27AM
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So glad to hear how things are falling into place... your new (possible) digs look charming, and you are going to thrive like crazy... Way to go!
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-DYET-
7/23/2012 10:31AM
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What a wonderful opportunity!!!
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ALWYS-LKN-UP
7/23/2012 10:31AM
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So many things going on for you!! CONGRATS!! Best of luck & oh yeah, SUPER cute house!!
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SEXBOBOMB
7/23/2012 9:59AM
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So excited for you -- what a fabulous adventure! Also, how great an experience will this be for your daughter! My Dad had an opportunity to transfer to Belgium when I was in high school, but in the end, he and my Mom decided to turn it down because they worried how it would affect me and college. To this day, it's the one thing we regret not doing as a family. This will definitely bring you and your daughter even closer than ever -- and will give her such a leg up in understanding how very small the world is and how different (and how similar) other countries can be. Best of luck to you both! Report Inappropriate Comment |


EMFRAPPIER
7/23/2012 9:55AM
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That sounds so exciting! What a great adventure!!
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SLIMMERJESSE
7/23/2012 9:28AM
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WOW, what a fabulous adventure. Congrats. Looking forward to hearing how things progress.
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RUNNER4LIFE08
7/23/2012 9:27AM
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What an adventure! Can't wait to hear about more.
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MERIADATH
7/23/2012 8:57AM
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What a wonderful opportunity! Avoir une belle aventure!
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DOODIE59
7/23/2012 8:56AM
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Wow. What an adventure:) May you get the most out of it -- actually, I have no doubt you will. Take care Deirdre Report Inappropriate Comment |


DABLUECAT
7/23/2012 8:25AM
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How exciting! I'd love to go stay in France for a while. Hope your paperwork/jumping through hoops, finishes soon. Report Inappropriate Comment |

