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Sunday, March 21, 2010

Worked my tail off yesterday, got lots accomplished, stayed in range, great day!

Today, slept in, ate too much, read a little and ate some more. Yep, that's it! Oh, wait. Played catch with DD twice. Her homework for softball was to play catch each day. We missed it yesterday, so we did twice today.

Just remembered that I haven't typed up the minutes for the softball/baseball meeting yet. And the next one is in two days. Oops! emoticon Guess what I'm going to do now!

Yep...type. Then slug some more.

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RWETHAIRYET 3/22/2010 2:34PM

    I'm a big fan of working my butt off one I can be a slug the next!! It's like a fantastic reward or something!!
Yay for Slugs!!!

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BKNOCK 3/22/2010 10:59AM

    After all that cleaning out and moving furniture you need to slug a bit! I hope that you enjoyed it!

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LMB-ESQ 3/22/2010 7:16AM

    I wish I had time to slug! No... I work my butt off and eat too much anyway! LOL

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    You're SLUGGIN' like Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa!

Have a SLUGG'n good week!!!

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DUTCHIEKIWI 3/22/2010 12:46AM

    We all need and may i just mention, deserve a slug day sometimes ;0)


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ZENMIND7 3/22/2010 12:27AM

    Sometimes we all need a little sluggin' in our life.


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ZENMIND7 3/22/2010 12:26AM

    Sometimes we all need a little sluggin' in our life.


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STEELERCRAZY 3/21/2010 11:48PM

    Slug on, chica, slug on! emoticon

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USFBULL 3/21/2010 10:54PM

    emoticon emoticon

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GLOBALKEEWEE 3/21/2010 10:44PM

    You deserved a day of respite!

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GEEMAWEST 3/21/2010 10:39PM

    Keep on sluggin'! emoticon (couldn't find a picture of a slug, spider was the next best thing) LOL

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MUSIC66 3/21/2010 10:27PM

    thats great

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Yay! It's done! And dang it looks good!

Saturday, March 20, 2010

For the last seven years, we've had an entertainments center (broken and cheap) in our bedroom. Next to it was a vanity that I got for Christmas about 25 - 28 years ago. (Love that vanity!) About a week (maybe two) ago, DH brought home a very nice dresser. It looks like it would have cost $300-$500 new, depending on where you got it. His friend sold it to him for $30! emoticon

We decided that it should go in our room, right where the entertainment center and vanity are/were. I agreed, but didn't want to get rid of my vanity. It's mine and I've had it longer than I've had DH!! Today, I decided that I really needed to clean up the area and move the dresser in our room.

Mind you, we moved the stuff in the bedroom when we moved into this years ago! Do you know how much dust builds up in seven years?!?! emoticon I should have taken a before picture. Anyway, it took about two hours to get everything moved out, cleaned up and moved in. Made the kids (and one of my daughter's friends!) help me move the furniture. Ended up putting the vanity in my son's room. I'm a little nervous about that. He is a boy and I'm worried that he will find a way to destroy it. Fingers crossed that he will take care of it! emoticon

Here's a pic of the after. Ignore the stuff to the right. That's DH's stuff that I found and didn't feel safe throwing away! LOL! I'm hoping that he'll agree to go through it tomorrow so I can get rid of some of it...or at least hide it in some of the drawers!

Here is a picture of my vanity. Yes, the wall behind it is orange. Go BSU!!

And here is the entertainment center. Pictur them side by side and loaded with STUFF. That's what it looked like before.

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BKNOCK 3/21/2010 7:29PM

    That vanity set is so cool! I hope that you have a good boy because my brothers would have destroyed it!

The dresser is nice too!

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LMB-ESQ 3/21/2010 5:52AM

    I love old furniture! You can get it cheap and I'd say 99% of the time it's better made than the new crap you can buy in the stores for a lot more money! The dresser looks great.... and I agree about that vanity. I've seen similar furniture and it's definitely worth something, especially if the wood is in good shape and the mirror isn't cracked. I'm not sure I'd trust it in a kid's room either. I hope you enjoy your "new" room!

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CONCHALEA 3/20/2010 11:55PM

    That vanity is probably Depression-era, and could be worth something. The front center part, where it slopes down, is called "waterfall" and is pretty desirable. At least, I love it! I have a bedside table with that feature, and a cedar chest from my grandmother with a waterfall front. Your vanity may be safer in the garage than with your son! My son-in-law kind of took over a buffet my daughter moved into the garage, and he took the doors off, piled tools & parts on top, and we don't even look at the top of it now. Good luck with yours!

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STEELERCRAZY 3/20/2010 11:39PM

    Uh, just wanted to let you know that I had a very old, beautiful roll-top desk that I had no room for in my bedroom after we got the king-sized bed. SOOOO, I put it in Paul's room with strict instructions that it was only to be used for homework. The day he moved out, I go to assess the "damage" to the room and all looked good...EXCEPT the desk had tacs stuck in it and this really old-fashioned, decrepit pencil sharpener screwed onto the side. There was also an autograph of "Paul loves Brittney!!!" scrawled into the back but underneath was an adendum contrary to the fact and her name had been changed to something that I cannot repeat here. But your son may be an angel. I wouldn't worry.

Room looks absolutely FANTASTIC!!! I for one, love the orange wall. And your old entertainment center looks like my current one. Can I have it? I love sets!!

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EM4488 3/20/2010 11:10PM

    Oh, so glad you got the dresser. Not a fan of the enterainment center, that vanity is pretty darn cool though!!! Glad you still were able to put it to use and not get rid of it (although I wonder if you could make money off it b/c it's "vintage" and in good shape (?).
Oh and I LOOOOVE the orange wall!!!!!!

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EM4488 3/20/2010 10:58PM

    Woohoo!!! It is beautiful!! --- and 30 bucks makes it even better! I love redecorating and rearranging, i hope you guys had fun! :)

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GEEMAWEST 3/20/2010 10:44PM

    Beautiful Dresser! But why does the TV look tilted? Is it just because I had a glass of wine or is it the angle of the picture? LOL

Now run quick to your son's room and get that vanity out of there!!!

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Son learned a lesson and I'm not the one who learned him!

Saturday, March 20, 2010

First, a little background. Ten years ago, my DH fell from a ladder while at work and landed (all of his weight) on one leg. His ankle was shattered (the 3-D xr-ray was flipping awesome!). Anyway, for about two years, he was not able to help much around the house. Multiple surgeries, infections, etc. kept him on crutches or in a wheel chair for that long. My kids were 5 and 2 at the time (almost 6 and 3). I tease him that he broke his ankle to get out of potty training the boy! LOL! But I digress.

After he started to be able to get around again, we discussed what he could do to help me around the house again. We agreed that he would take care of the dishes. (He has taken on much more since then..this was a small step). Within two weeks of DH taking over the dishes, the kids had a new chore. Loading and unloading the dishwasher. emoticon Why hadn't I thought of that!! LOL!

Dishes is the one chore that my son HATES! He complains about all of them, but he truly hates dishes. His favorite trick is to run the dishwasher and then not unload it and run it again. That way, he is "doing his dishes" as long as the dishwasher is running. Unfortunately, he thinks that DH and I are too stupid to realize that there are no dishes missing from the sink. DS has been sick most of the week. Last night, he was finally feeling better so he had to do his dishes. DH felt sorry for him and helped. Dishwasher ran and only a few dishes from dinner were in the sink.

Tonight, I came home and the dishwasher was running...and all of the dishes that were in the sink the night before were still there. DH and I gave him multiple chances to tell the truth, but he kept insisting that he had unloaded, reloaded and was now washing a whole new set of dishes. emoticon We called him on it and eventually he wrote down a confession. We discussed, punishment was set (an extra week of dishes) and done.

About 10 minutes later, DS was watching World's Craziest Police Chases or some such dumb show. One of the chases involved a guy who was not wearing a seat belt. He ran from the cops (in his car) because he didn't want to get the ticket. No other reason. The chase ended badly and the man was paralyzed from the accident. DS asked "What's wrong with people? If you know you did something wrong, just pull over, take the ticket and you're done!" DH and I looked at each other.. emoticon.. and DH said "You're right! Like why don't people just admit when they are lying, especially when everyone in the whole room knows it? Or just do the chore in the first place so they don't have to lie about it?" You could see the light bulb pop on over DS's head. emoticon (couldn't find a light bulb)

I think he finally got what we've been trying to get through to him for years! Now, do I expect it to stick? No, not really. Am I glad there is a chink in the armor? Yep! Wish us luck!!

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RWETHAIRYET 3/22/2010 2:21PM

    heehee...hopefully the lesson sticks. Though son's can be pretty selective about how they apply those lessons learned.
I didn't have a dishwasher back when, so mine were supposed to take turns washing dishes. #1 son had a tendancy to shove them in the game cupboard in the pantry, behind the chess and checkers and life. I'd start missing critical cutlery and sure enough....there it'd be.
Usually earned him a week straight of dishwashing duty, lol. Sometimes I think maybe the others were setting him up, though????

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YIGOBUTTERFLY 3/21/2010 3:09AM

    emoticonHope it stays on.
Jane on Guam

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BKNOCK 3/20/2010 7:24PM

    I wish my nephew and niece would learn that lesson. I keep telling them that they keep lying over the stupidist things but they still have not learned! They are 13 and 10.

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AUNTIEANNE22 3/20/2010 9:15AM

  Good luck. My son is 23 and still doesn't do the dishes unless I get angry. He lives at home, doesn't work and only has two chores: take out the trash and do the dishes. I'm a firm believer that traits are inherited and not taught. My son is so much like my ex-husband and they have not had contact since my son was 7 or 8.

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LMB-ESQ 3/20/2010 9:09AM

    Good luck! And send the lesson over here. We need it too.

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JUNIAATROME 3/20/2010 1:52AM

    emoticon will this do?
--- good luck to you. I am always amazed on the creativity to NOT do a simple thing, especially when Dsons are involved. But somehow it sticks with them later in life too. And the dishes are a constant source of creativity. WHY???

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If your spouse wanted to spend some time...

Thursday, March 18, 2010

doing something on their own, what would you say? And by spouse, I mean spouse (obviously!) or boyfriend/girlfriend, significant other or even roommate. Someone important in your life who wants to do something that you probably don't like. Say he likes going to garage sales and you want to go to the museum (or sleep in or just NOT go to garage sales!). Do you say go without me and enjoy. Or do you insist on going with, even tho you do NOT like the acitivity. Or, do you drag that person along on your chosen activity?

I am not talking about family functions. I am always dragging DH to those, both my family AND his! LOL! Or school functions. Those are things that really obligations.

I am talking about free time. Can your SO go out on a weekend and play softball while you stay home and you're okay with it? Or vice versa?

In my limited observations, I've found that one partner generally is more comfortable with non-partnered time. (I don't know what else to call it!) For example, if my DH wants to go to a friend's house after work (and I know about it so I don't stress and can change plans accordingly), I say go for it! If he is late leaving work, okay. Just tell me.

DH, on the other hand, wants me home whenever he is home. Part of that is because he works six days a week and we don't see each other very much. And, oddly enough, he LIKES me!! LOL!

Yep, that's my only example. I told you it was limited! Oh wait...just thought of one other example. Good friend of mine is a stay-at-home Mom who also is a free lance writer. She actually likes it when her DH is home and prefers that he NOT make other plans. Of course, she doesn't tell him that he can't do something (she's not his mother for goodness sakes!). But she does try to arrange things so they can spend time together. She is like me in that if she has something planned, and he doesn't tell her, he is in deep water!

So...two examples. Both support my theory (see? More theories!). 100% succes rate! Really, what more do I need?

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CARTOONB 3/20/2010 12:06AM

    Thanks for all the comments. I do want to add two things. First, I posted this because I was watching the Marriage Ref and one of the wives resented the time her DH was spending playing badminton. Got me to thinking (I know, dangerous!) and I blogged the result. DH and I are pretty good about "letting" the other have the time they need away.

Second, my DH read my blog and asked me if I had issues with him staying late at work! LOL!!! I had to tell him the why for the blog. I think he knew the answer before he asked, but he was happy when I reassured him. Men are so cute! emoticon

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RWETHAIRYET 3/19/2010 1:17PM

    In my house, it's often me that needs the "alone" time. Hubby works from home, is in and out all day and since he works with pets, sometimes all he really has to talk to are cats and dogs, rabbits and guinea pigs and an occasional chicken or two. Being a relative new-comer to the area he doesnt really have any close friends or buddies to hang with.
There are hobbies we share and things we do together. He likes car shows and meets and I don't mind spending the time with him for those. We both enjoy going on "photographic adventures, where we pack up some old cameras, a picnic and spend the day just wandering the state looking for photo ops. I go to his Audiogeek annual barbecue and pretend to enjoy it, he goes to the annual Spark meetup for my state and doesn't grumble too much about it.
But he hates it when I go out alone. I prefer to shop alone, I always feel rushed when he's with me. He doesn't hike, so I do much of my summer ramblings by myself. He tries very hard to be "accomodating" when I do go out, but manages to lay a bit of guilt.(But we only have 2 days to spend together, and you go hiking with a friend all day for one of them) I remind him that he has time during the week to do things he enjoys, like going to the firing range, visit the couple of friends he has made, spend time on line, but that I'm trying to divide a limited amount of time into "Us" time, "Me" time and "household responsibility" time. oh, by the way, exercise fits into the responsibility slot, lol, not "me" time, or so I keep telling him,lol)
On a good day, I figure he's lonely, loves me enough to want to spend time with me and only concerned about my well-being. On a bad day I accuse him of being controlling and not caring about my needs or trusting me. Heeheehee, one of the things we've definitely had to work on (with fairly good sucess) this past 5 years.
interestingly enough, my step daughter and her fiance are having a bit of an issue. Seems it's okay for her to go out to dinner with friends, go shopping with her mother several times a week, go clubbing with the girlfriends, and do pretty much what she wants, when she wants, and yet heaven forbid he might want to go to his brother's house after work to play cards once in a while. She's willing to start world war III over it. I'm seeing this as having the potential of being the single biggest problem in their marriage...

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AWYEAGLE 3/19/2010 12:49PM

    I think that it is important to have a balance. We all need time to do things on our own and who the heck wants to drag someone along to something they don't want to do. As long as the couple spend time together doing things they both enjoy (come on who doesn't love going to visit the in-laws emoticon) I'm all for it.

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PERFECT01 3/19/2010 11:27AM

    Personally, I like it when I have some alone time. My DH has retired and he is under my feet way tooooooooo much, LOL! But if I want him to be home or with me for something we have planned or family coming to visit, he better darned well be here!

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DATARN 3/19/2010 10:59AM

    Great subject - and we all should have open enough communication with our SO that we can come to agree and take care of each other - respecting one another's need - either for space and "me time" or time together. A great goal to shoot for!

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TORNADO40 3/19/2010 8:58AM

    When the relationship with my husband was brand new (and for many years) I used to be pretty possessive in terms of him doing things without me. I did not really like some of his friends and I did not like the time he spent with them. At any rate I got over that. Now I look forward to when he will be away and I can spend time on my own.

I think had I remained possessive our relationship would have ended years ago. So I think you have to have together time and time away from each other.

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LMB-ESQ 3/19/2010 7:16AM

    I agree too, it depends on the relationship. That kind of thing can be a huge bone of contention though.

I think the question to ask is, why do you want your SOs company? Is it just because you like his/her company? Is it because you simply hate to be alone? Or is it because you are insecure about what he/she is doing when they aren't with you?

If it's the first, then it should be easy for you to say. "sure, go ahead without me" and then another time you'll do something together. If you hate being alone, that's your problem. You need to learn how to enjoy your own company, which in itself is an artform.

And if it's the last, then you have a problem within the relationship. Why are you insecure? Were you cheated on in the past? Do you have trust issues? Abandonment issues? Has your SO given you a REASON to be insecure, or is it all your own issue?

My ex and I used to argue about that a lot. For example, I would want to go to a party, he wouldn't. He would SAY, sure go ahead, but then he would wait up for me and be mad because I actually went. I got a little ridiculous. When I got into my current relationship, we both made it clear that wouldn't be tolerated. Actually, I think we're a little unusual. We're both so independent that we spend more time doing our own thing with a little together time thrown in here and there, instead of the other way around. Might not work for a lot of couples, but it works for us!

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BKNOCK 3/19/2010 6:14AM

    I agree with Junia that it depends on the relationship. If you have a strong sturdy marriage than it could actually be healthy to be away from each other for a short spurt!

Great blog!

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JUNIAATROME 3/19/2010 1:50AM

    I'd say that would depend on the state of the relationship - i.e. if you are both keen on being with each other and feeling ok in the relationship I can say to DH: you feel stressed take two days, I'll keep the fort safe. If any one feels neglected however at a given time (and that is usually when questions like this come up LOL) than if that marriage means something to you you give up on your fav activity because you love your hubby more; or you tell him how you feel and that you'd rather he let that garage sale go this time.

Early on in our marriage (after a particular incident which needs not to be recounted) we decided that we will always feel free to talk frankly about such needs and will attend to the need of attention in case of doubt. Has worked well; I was left to go and study abroad which meant that I have spent two months away from home at times. He too did go on his own eg. to Hawaii for two weeks without me for a conference (and even on MY b-day) - when you add it up he was better off, wasn't he?? LOL. But I definitely think it depends on the relationship and the ability to communicate your needs - on both ends.

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BETTA13 3/19/2010 1:38AM

    lol...I like reading your blogs, you talk yourself into an answer, and I can actually follow it =o)

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Spark Wheel Theory Update

Thursday, March 18, 2010

It is well established that I am a nerd/geek/whatever. A couple of weeks ago I blogged about a couple of theories I had on the Spark Wheel. One was that over time, your average will be three. The second was that the more points you got BEFORE you spun the wheel, the more points you would win on the wheel.

Yep. I started a spreadsheet! emoticon Started out basic. First column, the date. Second column, number of points earned before spinning the wheel. Third column, number of points the wheel gave me. In 21 days, my average for the wheel is just under 5.5 points per day. Kinda blew that theory outta the water huh? emoticon

For the second theory, it's a little harder to sort the data. But there is no clear trend there either. I have days with over 80 poinst pre-spin that I won 5 points. Others taht I only got one. Same with under. I hit the 20 two days in a row...once with 76 points pre-spin, the second with only 68. Data does not process (you have to say that last sentence with a robot voice while doing robot moves to get the full effect).

So, I added some columns. About a week ago, I added max points available on the wheel. Today I added how many SP points I had when I was all done getting points. Theory for the first column is that I have to know what was available to compare to what I earned. If I get 5 every day and 5 was the highest number, I'm pretty darn special! emoticon

The last column works off the theory that somehow the wheel "knows" how much I've done and how many more points I could potentially earn. So, do I get more points from the wheel on the days that I get a lot of exercise minutes? Notice, I assume that the wheel rewards me for earning more points. That, students, is a hypothesis. Unless it, too, is a theory and then, never mind.

Anyway, the spread sheet is still going strong! Does anyone want to send me their numbers? Increasing the participants will improve the experiment/evaluation. Here's the info I need.

Points b4 Spin
Points from Spin
Max points on wheel
Total points earned for the day

Man...I am a nerd! I'm kind of giddy at the thought of putting other people's data into my spreadsheet. already thinking how to reformat to fit other folks in. LOL!! emoticon

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LADYNETTIE 3/24/2010 1:49PM

    I love this!! I'm a data geek too and have wondered what the deal is with the sparkwheel myself! I think it goes in waves- I get 1's for several days in a row, then get 5's for a few days, then a couple of 2's. Would be interesting to know. I have had 25 points one time in 8 months so those don't come around too often. OH! I won a DVD once too!

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WYWIWOMAN 3/24/2010 7:32AM

    Yours was a fun blog for me to read on a day when one of my Sparkfriend's status was updated with a 10 point win and there wasn't even 10 points on the Spark wheel I spun! What's up with that? Curious.

I've always thought that when I log in I should spin right away. I can see that my strategy may be mistaken ... I'll watch for your updates!

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PINK-LADYBUG 3/20/2010 2:08PM

    First, let me second what HOPEFULHIPPO posted - feel free to make your way towards me when you're done at her house!

Secondly... you are the 2nd most lovable geek I know!! (The first being my best friend, who is also an enginerd...)


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GAZELK 3/20/2010 7:33AM

    I too have thought that there must be some logic in this. Let us know if you find the algorithm and then we'll all go with you to Vegas for some real "points".

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RWETHAIRYET 3/19/2010 2:39PM

    you know, I was going to write exactly what G-ma said, lol, but decided to be kind!!

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SUZYMOBILE 3/19/2010 2:18PM

    So how do you explain my winning the 100 SparkGoodie points like three days in a row, and the rest of the time I'm lucky to get 5 points? emoticon

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GEEMAWEST 3/19/2010 10:00AM

    You have way to much time on your hands! emoticon

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TORNADO40 3/19/2010 9:45AM

    It sure does seem like there is a pattern to it when you pretty much get low numbers all the time. I never ever hit the big numbers that are on the wheel. I think most of the time I get a 1. Since last June I have only hit 10 points 3 times. I have never hit anything higher than 10 pts. I rarely get more than 4. I wish they had a report for spark wheel points.

When the wheel numbers go from 1-5 are there and equal amount of each number?

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BIG_SCOTS_LASS 3/19/2010 9:35AM

    I think you're a little nuts, but I'll play anyway.
Until last week, I had 2 months of 4 points every single day - without variance. However, there was a days when 4 points wasn't an option (it was 1, 2, 3 or 5). I got 2 points that day. Since then it has varied between 1-4 points (never 5!). In the past I have got as many as 20 points (woo-hoo!), but that was sadly a long time ago and, even when 20, 50 or even 100 points have been available, they have not been mine.
I've stopped worrying about how many points I get, I just like to keep my "Perfect Attendance" record (421 days and counting).

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KAYDE53 3/18/2010 8:21PM

    I have had more than 5 points on a spin. I agree with Kat who said I get 1 point for a couple of days, then 2, then 3 & so on! It does have a pattern. Good luck with this! emoticon

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LIVE2RUN4LIFE 3/18/2010 3:04PM

    You have WAY too much time on your hands.
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HOPEFULHIPPO 3/18/2010 1:54PM

    Obkb, you clearly have way too much time on your hands!! I have housework, laundry, and some yard work if you'd like? LOL!! emoticon

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BKNOCK 3/18/2010 1:43PM

    Wow, my brain hurts just reading your blog!

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BACONLADY 3/18/2010 10:49AM

    Too much thinking for me!! hee hee

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MDTWEETY 3/18/2010 10:42AM

    LOL! I think it's just random luck. But have fun proving me wrong! :)

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JUST_SIMONE 3/18/2010 10:27AM

    I've been with Sparkpeople for a year and I ALWAYS got the same score three days in a row. Not just sometimes, but always. Until I mentioned it on a status message and now I get a different number every day. Weird.

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PRINCESSNURSE 3/18/2010 10:04AM

    lol-my hubby would love you-he is an excel freak!

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ELYMWX 3/18/2010 9:54AM

    You could always put it on Google Docs so that other people could enter their data themselves...

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KATVHALE 3/18/2010 9:50AM

    I have noticed that if I spin and get say 3 points then I will get 3 points for about three days in a row and then it will change to 2 and I will 2 for about three days and then it changes again....

Very seldom will I spin a different number each day...


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GLAMNGLOWDIVA 3/18/2010 3:59AM

    Great job putting so much work into that!

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DUTCHIEKIWI 3/18/2010 2:44AM

    You are just wonderful the way you are...
I've always wanted a geeky nerd in my life! ;0)


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PTCOACHRODGER 3/18/2010 2:26AM

    I'm a former geek (20+ yrs in computer software development). Good theories, I have one too...I found that I got high numbers when I used my cell phone to get my wheel points from an Sparkpeople email (the browser on my cell displays a link instead of a wheel and it would often offer 20 points for which I would get 20 pts at least 3 out of 5 times.)

Keep up the research

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DEUSMACHINA 3/18/2010 1:43AM

    Yep, this is the kind of nerdy geekiness that the world needs, as far as I'm concerned. I will send you my particulars whenever I spin :D

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BETTA13 3/18/2010 1:28AM

    ...and you have too much time on your hands, lol.

I have a theory about getting big numbers ...I got a lot of big numbers after a long break (1 year) 20's, 10's and 5's. But then after about 2 weeks, I had about 7 days of 1's.

I didn't keep track and I don't know the exact numbers but my theory is that you are rewarded for returning but then it evens out.

It was an interesting read. Please share what you come up with.

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TWINGIRLSBOYS2 3/18/2010 1:24AM

    lol... good job. I was wondering about this...although I never attempted to go after it like you have!

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