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PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE; HISTORY OF DAY 323Monday, December 06, 2010
What a silly song, a partridge in a pear tree. Last week, at a luncheon, I heard about this song actually being created in the 1500's for the Catholics in England, (who were banned at the time) to teach their young children about the bible. The Partridge is actually Jesus Christ, Two Turtle Doves are the Old and New Testaments and so on. You can get the rest of this information online by googling the song. On the other hand, I found a great website that disected the song and compared it's meaning to social and sexual events in those days. A lot more interesting. So if you want to read more, try this link hubpages.com/hub/On_the_First_Day_of_Chris ![]()
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PRAIRIECROCUS
12/7/2010 3:44AM
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Happy Holidays !
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4DOGNIGHT
12/6/2010 12:17PM
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Thanks Kaseycoff, I knew you would have answers. And Ring around the Rosy is probably the plague and not smallpox although either disease could qualify.
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KASEYCOFF
12/6/2010 12:11PM
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You know I can't resist an invitation, Carol, lol... The Twelve Days of Christmas: I never heard the story about the symbolism. Years ago, when I studied French, I was told that the song is actually French in origin, and that it's a cumulative song, a kind of memory game, much like 'Alouette' or 'There was an old lady who swallowed a fly' - you know, where each verse builds on the last one and adds something new, with the trick being to remember all of them by the end of the song. Snopes.com is a website that 'debunks' myths. They have an article about The Twelve Days of Christmas: http://www.snopes .com/holidays/christmas/music/1 2days.asp Basically, what they're saying makes sense to me. Charming idea, and it's fun to relate the elements of the song to various Christian ideas, such as the Trinity and so on, but... nah, 'fraid not. At least, I don't believe it, but to each his own. Wikipedia says "A bit of modern folklore claims that the song's lyrics were written as a 'catechism song' to help young Catholics learn their faith, at a time when practicing Catholicism was discouraged in England (1558 until 1829). There is no substantive primary evidence supporting this claim, and no evidence that the claim is historical, or 'anything but a fanciful modern day speculation.'" While I don't always take Wikipedia as gospel (no pun intended!) I think they're probably on the mark here. One interesting concept they raise is that each of the twelve days / gifts may have originally correlated with the twelve months of the year, and could have signified some kind of 'prediction' for prosperity in the coming year. But your guess is as good as mine. :-) Ring Around the Rosy: I hadn't heard the story about smallpox. The story I heard is that it relates to the bubonic plague epidemic - the 'Black Death' - in the Middle Ages. The 'ring around the rosy' is the initial site where the bubo, the plague boil, begins to arise on the skin. The 'pocketful of posies' (posies being flowers, thoough in England, a 'posy' is actually the small bouquet of flowers) is taken to mean either the scent of flowers to help mask the smell of sickness and death, or possibly the flowers thrown into the graves of the dead. 'Ashes, ashes' is sometimes said to be a corruption of 'Atchoo,' or a similar sound of sneezing, since that's one way in which the plague was spread. Some stories say the 'ashes' recognize the fact that often the plague killed entire families, and the house - with everything in it - would be burned to the ground, since no one would live there after it had been infested with plague. (No bodies were burned in the medieval age, and in fact, generally not until relatively recently in history, so it wouldn't refer to cremations.) And of course, 'we all fall down' when we die of the plague - and it's historically accurate that people would feel fine at breakfast, complain of a headache or feeling ill at midday, and before supper would be dead. There are a couple sites on the 'net that have information about the rhyme - and no, it apparently doesn't refer to anything historical, epidemics or otherwise. Snopes had the best distillation of facts: http://www.snopes.com /language/literary/rosie.asp > Since the rhyme has no reference in print - not so much as a mention in someone's diary, or memoirs, or letters - until 1881, it's not likely it's anything but a rhyme for some kind of children's dance or game. Same kind of derivation that many jump-rope rhymes had. A television show here called QI - a kind of quiz show - had a segment about this rhyme a couple years ago, and also cited the sources that show the rhyme is much newer than it was once thought to be. Apparently nobody knows where 'God bless you' started - it was recorded in Roman times as a response to sneezing, so... who knows why they said it? But it's old enough, and been mentioned often enough, and has been recorded in so many different cultures, through the centuries that any explanation (saving your soul from escaping, wishing you good health) is as good as another. And these days, of course, it's a courtesy, so if you want to be polite, you can always say 'Bless you' to a sneezer. Spend a penny is exactly as you say! It's a genuine Britism I'd never heard before I came here, and the first time I heard it I had no idea what they meant. Spending a penny always meant 'penny gumball machine' to me - big difference, lol... Another of my favorites here is 'I'll be mother' or 'Shall I be mother?' which is what someone at the table will say when the teapot - or these days, coffeepot, as like as not - arrives. Even men will say 'Shall I be mother?' and serve everyone a cuppa, tho it's always acknowledged as a joke when a man does the pouring. Comment edited on: 12/6/2010 12:12:29 PM Report Inappropriate Comment |


DONNAEDA
12/6/2010 9:26AM
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Wow, I bet your household was in a dither with the tree and all. If you hadn't been on WW would you have eaten more than you did? I bet you did better than you think. Happy holidays
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I'm only a few days into the new plan but already I can see that if you eat the food allotted to you, you will not be hungry!!!! I weigh in on Tuesday and don't ever count on results so I won't be dissappointed either way. Yesterday I was right at 29 points and tough to get there. For dinner, we had a baked potato, green beans and oven baked chicken. I could only eat half of it and the rest is in the fridge for lunch. Can't figure it out. Didn't even want ice cream last night and we have klondike bars in the fridge.
The weather is so beautiful here in Florida. It will be cold in the morning and warm up nicely during the day. Yesterday, I didn't even need a jacket, just a light long sleeve t-shirt. It's a little chillier today but nice to wear sweaters for a change. We put out our christmas lights on the outside. Today is the tree. Gotta get ready for my party on the 14th.
So far this weekend I haven't done any quilting. Other things to do I guess. I did work on a crocheted afghan while watching FSU lose to Virginia Tech for the ACC championship. They played well so we aren't embarrassed and look forward to a great team next year!
Got to get ready for church. Later.


BARBYDELL
12/5/2010 4:44PM
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I'll be going back to WW on-line. Have heard many good things about the new program and am anxious to give it a try! We are dry and not too chilly here in Albuquerque - nice weather!
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SUNRISE14
12/5/2010 1:57PM
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PRAIRIECROCUS
12/5/2010 1:06PM
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I hope that you are having a nice Sunday.
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RENNIE511
12/5/2010 11:50AM
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I "rejoined" this past Thursday. I think I am going to like the new Points+ program. Reminds me of the fat and fiber program from many years ago.
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ELSCO55
12/5/2010 11:13AM
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Some days its hard to eat all my points,especially with fruit not counting.
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BUGGYS
12/5/2010 11:06AM
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I think I'm going back to WW in January, too! Friends that I have talked to really seem to like the new program. It's cold in Wisconsin today!!! Report Inappropriate Comment |


DONNAEDA
12/5/2010 11:05AM
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I find I can't eat all my points either. Have a wonderful holiday season
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IMEMINE1
12/5/2010 10:07AM
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Glad you are doing so good. I second that "it is cold here in Pa" Winter,Bah Humbug. Report Inappropriate Comment |


KARENE10
12/5/2010 9:51AM
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I plan on joining WW again in Jan.~very happy to hear that the new program sounds great:) Your weather sounds beautiful,it is very cold here in Pa. Report Inappropriate Comment |

