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Where I started (335.6 lbs, BMI = 52.6) May 2007 - Apr 2009

Saturday, April 02, 2011

First in the series of where I began...

Where I started (335.6 lbs, BMI = 52.6) May 2007 - Apr 2009
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Where I started Apr 2009 - Jun 2009
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Where I started Jun 2009 - Sept 2009
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Long before I discovered Spark People I started trying to lose weight. From my old very defunct blog here is the first post about it. I've cut and pasted other selected entries from the beginning until I started actually posting to my blog at Spark People.

It's kind of interesting to see how my thoughts evolved and to revisit the experimentation I did in nutrition and exercise that led to where I am now. You'll notice I never mentioned my actual weight because I was so embarrassed about it, but rather reported everything in terms of BMI.

My first encounter with SP is in here. I wasn't at all interested in the "social networking" aspect of it. LOL. I think the first mention of Physics Diet is, too.

The PT I'm going to now for my shoulder is first mentioned here, when he treated my arthritic knee when I was over 300 lbs.

Although the weight graph corresponding to this period shows only one false start, there were many many of them leading up to this point.

[May 26 2007]
BMI Chasing

Ok, that's it. I'm done.

I don't want to be in the Extra-Super-Scarey BMI category I'm currently in (52.6). According to some websites:

"Patients with this condition incur much greater weight-related health risks, including an increased risk of dying - estimated at 5-10 times greater than that of people of normal weight - as well as arthritis, breathing problems, cancer, depression, diabetes, gastroesophageal reflux, heart disease, hypertension, infertility, loss of bowel/urinary control, menstrual problems, obstructive sleep apnea, swollen legs, and venous disorders."
www.annecollins.com/super-obe
sity.htm


So I've pulled out all my old WW materials and started using the journals again to keep track and limit the intake. And I'm walking 1.5 miles every day after work. And I'm starting an 8-week Tai Chi class at work next Thursday. I'm weighing myself once a week at my doctor's office near work. I set up a computer to email me a motivational quote on persistence every day. I pulled out my copy of Make the Connection and started re-reading it. I'm re-reading The Mastery of Love. And I'm relying on several others at work for moral support who are dealing with similar challenges. And I'll post my progress here.

[July 06 2007]
New BMI: 49.96, dropped from class IV to class III

This means I'm officially no longer in the extra super scarey category, but in the just plain old morbidly obese category:

"Morbid obesity is a significant risk factor for hypertension, cardiovascular disease, some cancers, diabetes, respiratory problems and musculoskeletal disorders."

I'll be in this category until the BMI goes under 40, so it'll be a while. Still, it's something.

The walking and staying under points have suffered this past week. A lot of contributing factors are involved. I'm keeping on keeping on, though.

Here's the kind of Tai Chi I've been learning. But 2 degrees of separation from the guy in the video (my teacher learned from a woman who learned from him).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJPm
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[August 20 2007]


New BMI: 47.36 (5% net removed 2x)

The BMI was 47.74 this morning, and I figured I might have found that plateau I was expecting. But I was pretty happy that I'd been mostly doing everything I am supposed to this past week, including walking 4 miles on Wednesday.

Walked 2 miles today at lunch and 3 more when I got home from work - that's 5 total today. Rose, eat my dust! Hehe. Just kidding. I guess that made the difference, though.

I actually enjoyed the evening 3 miles, rain and all, wearing my new twisty rain hat and listening to J.A. figure out how to sail the pushme-pullyou Polycrest. That O'Brian was a pretty funny guy. I'm glad no one else was out in the state park, to hear me laughing out loud all by myself!

I've removed 5% of my mass twice, now. In order to get to a normal BMI I need to do that 12 more times. (95% of 95% of 95%... you get the idea) It's a war won in small increments, so I've parceled out the milestones in manageable chunks. In my past experience (having done this before, *sigh*) it's about as difficult to lose 5% of your weight, no matter what your actual weight is. Based on the time it took to remove the first 5%, I'd projected getting here next week.

I'm less than half a pound from having removed 10% total of my starting mass. Unless something untoward happens, I should get there next week...

[October 11 2007]
arthritis.

Well, the verdict is in. At the tender age of 41 I have "pretty bad" arthritis in my right knee, according to the bone and joint doctor I was referred to today.

Based on the X-rays, I'm pretty much grinding bone-on-bone in there, and there are lovely little bone spurs beginning on the side. The left knee apparently doesn't look very good either in that the joint is opening, but at least there's some cartilage in there still, keeping the bones apart. It hardly ever bothers me.

So the PA shot my knee full of cortisone, and they prescribed physical therapy. This shot is no joke. Damn, it hurt when he did it. And all I could do was sit there and try not to flinch while the needle was in there. Now, 3 hours later, it is really swollen and stiff and throbbing. So I took two Tramadol, and am waiting for it to stop. It better stop. Right now it feels just about as bad as it ever has, after being jammed.

The Celebrex my primary care physician prescribed has been borderline bothering my stomach, so I'm going to stop taking it and see what happens. Maybe he can come up with an alternative.

The first PT appointment is tomorrow morning, so I hope the swelling has gone down by then. If not I suppose I can go back around to the other side and complain (they're in the same building).

A moderately annoying thing about this is that I'd been keeping off my knee (not walking for exercise), so it really wasn't bothering me that much today, UNTIL the shot.

A more annoying thing about this is that the reason my cartilage is missing is because my father did not believe in doctors. I injured the knee when 17 and he refused to take me to get it looked at, so I kept reinjuring it, until several months later when I matriculated at college and friends dragged me to the health center.

I was fairly sure my dad would not approve of my having talked to doctors, and I was right. The diagnosis was torn cartilage, and arthroscopic surgery suggested. My dad yelled at me for injuring the knee in the first place, and then yelled at me for the $2000 the operation cost (keep in mind I was still covered on his comprehensive BC/BS health plan, so he only had to pay the deductible). If my mother had been alive at the time, it would have been taken care of when it first happened. She had Leverage with him.

(He was so adamant about doctors, that I recall one morning waking up with a bad fever, taking my temperature, finding it to be 102, and having him tell me to just go to school. He refused to take me to the doctor, and said he was busy - gardening - I'd had to go out to the backyard in the cold rain to ask him, because he wasn't going to be bothered to come in. I ended up asking a neighbor to take me, which she did.)

The surgeon who did the arthroscopy was also the official orthopedic guy for the football team. According to him, by the time he got to my knee, it had turned into "one of the worst knee injuries" he'd ever seen. And that includes college football. He removed most of the cartilage on the inside, and half of it on the outside, and told me things would never be the same again.

He was right. And now my knee has degenerated to the point that the doctors looked back and forth between me and the X-ray and asked, "HOW old did you say you are, again?" And looked surprised when I told them.

*sigh*

So now it's a race. Can I lose the weight before I lose the joint?

I suppose it would be a good idea to investigate other forms of exercise besides walking, that do not involve using my knee under pressure. My eyes hate the chlorine fumes at indoor pools, but the Y near work has H2O aerobics 3x/week from 6:30am - 7:30am...

[October 16 2007]
New BMI: 45.55, and a New Goal

OK, I've been thinking about my knee some, and I've been coming to the conclusion that the less weight on it, the better.

My original goal when I started this was to get to the upper limit of "normal" in terms of BMI (24.9). In fact, "normal" BMI goes from 18.5 to 24.9. I think now it would be better to aim for the middle of the "normal" range (21.7), and when I get there, see if I can drop even more, or not. The less weight on this poor joint, the better. The less damage, the more I'll be able to continue using it without requiring a replacement.

My first H2O aerobics class was tonight. It was a bit chaotic and a short (45 min). I couldn't hear very well what we were supposed to be doing (the room echoes), and the women leading it were in the pool with us, so there wasn't much visual guidance, either.

I asked the people next to me, and did my best to push myself hard. I was often told, "technique doesn't matter, just make sure you keep moving." Compared to a class I used to take at a health club near my apartment in Las Vegas, this is frustrating. There I paid an arm and a leg, but the instructor stood on the side of the pool and pushed us and showed us what muscles we were supposed to be using, and did generally what you expect an exercise instructor to do. This was more like facilitation.

It didn't look like the other people were pushing themselves. A lot of them kind-of hung out and paddled around less than earnestly. Maybe that's what happens when you get to be in your 60's and 70's? I hope that doesn't happen to me; if it does, I don't think I'll be able to maintain a healthy weight, because it's a lot of effort now, and I can't imagine it'll get easier as I get older.

I couldn't help thinking that I'd get a better cardiovascular workout if I'd just spent the 45 minutes swimming. On the other hand, I'm feeling it now, so I know it used new muscles, which is good.

Dropped the bike off at the shop today for its overhaul in preparation for putting it on the rollers for the winter. I guess I'll just have to rely on the Nordic Trak and the bike for the cardio aspects of my program. My basement is turning into a little gym. I even put the ankle and wrist weights down there. It's where the router is, so I can stream music and podcasts down there to keep myself entertained, without even bothering with wireless.

Tomorrow I have PT again. Maybe he'll let me go more than 5 minutes on the elliptical machine; I liked it; it felt a lot like running, in a nice way, but without any of the impact. Maybe that's the point.

[November 25 2007]


Current BMI: 46.58

Thank God for setpoints. Despite a month of travelling and laziness, I have only gone up 1.16 in the BMI (7.4 pounds). I have not been exercising regularly, especially this past week, when the PT prescription ran out, I didn't go to Geneva Th or F, and the H2O aerobics pool was closed on Tu. Even worse, I have not been tracking my intake. Which, if you've read the past few entries, has been considerable, lately. And having tasty leftovers in the fridge tempting one late at night doesn't help.

Well, I know what to do and how to do it, so here we go, back to the Program. As PQ has pointed out, when you do the work, you get the results.

January 28, 2009
Back to the BMI chasing. Today=47.08

After a really bad lapse where last fall I gained back up to almost the same weight where I started, Ive pushed it back down again. Mostly through the help of the pre-gastric ulcer which acts up when 1) I overfill and 2) I eat at night.

The most recent bout on the evening of December 11 / morning of December 12 was so very painful and unpleasant that something clicked in my head and I realized that I would rather be hungry than feel like that ever again. EVER again. Even though this has been going on sporadically for years, the most recent memory of the pain and the vomiting has stuck with me long enough that I have maintained a healthy fear of overeating for over 6 weeks, and as a result am finding out what it feels like to be hungry, how to manage my blood sugar, what being full feels like, how long I need to wait in order to even know if Im full, etc. In effect, Ive got the same symptoms as a friend at work who had her stomach stapled, but without the cost and associated issues of elective surgery.

People have asked why I dont go to the doctor about this. I have two reasons, and I think theyre sound. First, the problem only happens when I overeat at night (i.e. it hasnt happened since 12/11), and second, this is the first thing ever that has worked that hasnt involved obsessive calorie-counting (i.e. using WW points, etc.). And Im sorry, but while obsessive calorie-counting does in the short term help with managing my eating, it does NOT work in the long term because it presents significant quality of life issues. There is an inherent psychological problem with focusing on NOT doing something that Ive never been able to overcome. So Ill take the ulcer memory and use it. Consider it my disulfiram.

All the years of calorie-counting have given me the tools to eat in a healthy way, and Im doing that, but just without counting anything. Oatmeal for breakfast, homemade soup for lunch, etc. Just less of it and not overfilling. And not eating at night. If Im bored I can clean the bathroom or organize the garage, for Petes sake.

Also Im back with the H2O aerobics, and will hopefully start working out in the basement soon as well. (As soon as the rest of the bamboo planks have been distributed to the rest of the house for acclimation.)

Stay tuned.


March 10, 2009
Current BMI = 45.67

Looks like Im finally locked into a Bowflex routine along with the previous water aerobics and the additional elliptical work in the cracks.

Although I was on vacation last week with all kinds of unhealthy food options available (such as Lebanon bologna rollups, ham and cheese pannini, several slices of Key lime pie, etc.), I managed to be the same weight today as I was 2 weeks ago. I suppose it helped that I did manage to fit in 3 water aerobics sessions, a long walk on the beach, a moderate walk in freezing cold Savannah, and a harrowing bike ride TO one of the water aerobics sessions. Also two uncomfortable refluxy episodes after having the aforementioned bologna rollups. And for the last 3 days had chicken or salmon on salad for breakfast. Mmm.

Theyre doing a 4-week nutrition workshop at work that Ive joined, which turned me onto sparkpeople.com (Although Id heard of it before, Id been avoiding it, because I really dont like social networking sites. They just dont do it for me.) Its a pretty convenient place to log food and exercise for free, though, so Ill give it a run for a while and see how it goes.

March 11, 2009
Current BMI = 45.42

Holy cow, progress!

Now Im at the exact same minimum I reached once before recently, on Oct 22, 2007. Back then Id just been diagnosed with arthritis, had gone to PT 5 whole times, and just started doing water walking on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Beyond this will be New Territory since the Project started on May 24, 2007.

Things have changed a lot since then.

Oct 2007 is when I originally set up a fitness center in my basement (I used it 3 times and then started hanging clothes on the Nordic Track). Now theres an elliptical machine and a pimped-out Bowflex (410 lbs of resistance and all the fun extras: tricep rope, lat bar, curl bar, T-bar, foot straps, etc.) in addition to the existing NT and bicycle. I just ordered an acrylic mirror panel from Lowes to help with spotting my technique on the weight machine.

My knee hasnt hurt since the Long Walk on the Beach last week (and recovered quickly). I havent been to PT for 3 months. Yesterday I was just thinking that the Tuesday/Thursday water walking is becoming too easy to really push me aerobically, and wondering if Id be better off just using the elliptical.

I am starting to feel a whole lot better physically. More alert, stronger, more balanced, and my pants are starting to slide off. With my most recent foray back into Healthy Eating, I dont think Ive had it this much together since my mid-20s.

March 13, 2009
Current BMI = 45.26

Tags: difficulty eating out, slow metabolism, sparkpeople, tim hortons
(Yesterday the BMI was 45.17, but I had waaaaay too much sodium last night, so this mornings number reflects that.)

Ive noticed that if I go out to eat for a meal, I tend to eat twice as much on average that day (about 900 calories more). Its just really hard to make good food choices when there are either tempting unhealthy choices available and/or very limited choices.

Seriously. I met Bob at Tim Hortons yesterday morning before work to go over the books, and the only things I saw that I felt comfortable eating were a hot tea with nothing in it and an apple. There wasnt any yoghurt, hot cereal, or anything available that wasnt full of empty white flour carb and fat calories.

Theres No Way I can eat within the range of calories theyve set for me (1,810 2,160) and lose weight. My metabolism doesnt work that fast. At the moment, if I dont stay between 800 and 1000 calories per day I will maintain or gain. Even with the cardio and weights.

This was the case even back in my 20s when I went to an actual nutritionist to get advice about why I couldnt lose weight despite being (at the time) extremely active*. We tracked my food and to humor her I ate 1200 Kcal/day for a week. I gained. We started dropping the calories and at 800 I started losing. She said shed never encountered anyone with such a slow metabolism.

Given that the metabolism is supposed to slow down 5% at the age of 40, I imagine that when I finish removing this extra baggage, I can expect to be eating on average 600-750 calories/day. And thats WITH lots of exercise. At least the food bills will be low.

Still, Im going to keep soldiering on, because the extra baggage has to come off, despite any difficulties. And with almost 50 lbs removed since May 2007, my knee and the rest of me definitely feel a LOT better. So its worth it.

*By extremely active I mean that I was swimming a Km 3x/week, playing softball 2x/week, riding horses 2x/week, doing martial arts 3x/week, and doing 20 mi bike rides and 4 mile runs on the weekends. I was also working on my PhD research and raising Miaumoto. I used to come home from bike rides, pick him up, and wipe my sweaty face on his sides like a towel. He loved it.


March 16, 2009
New BMI = 44.73

Tags: 50 pounds gone, BMI below 45, bowflex, flaky workout partners, lost 5% net, strength training
A bunch of milestones today:

Ive lost 5% net since 8/19/07 (14.9% since I started)
The BMI dropped below 45
Ive removed a total of 50 lbs since I started.


The next milestone will be in 0.34 pounds, when I will have removed exactly 15% of my total body weight.

This was a Good Way to start the week, even though my workout buddy flaked out yesterday and never called to cancel, or return my call asking if it was off. The result was that I missed a lifting session because I didnt know what exercises we were supposed to do that day. (This other person is in charge of that part.)

During a conversation about something else today I asked what happened, and got the response Oh, Im sorry I wanted to do other things yesterday and left my phone at home so it wouldnt disturb me. The response did not sound sorry.

I refuse to let my fitness depend on someone who does not show up or communicate. It was an appealing idea when it was suggested, but this arrangement is clearly not going to work. So I went on Amazon and ordered two books to help me figure out on my own what to do and how to do it on the Bowflex.

(Can you tell Im pissed off? Thought so.)

P.S. These are the books:

The Bowflex Body Plan
The New Rules of Lifting for Women: Lift Like a Man, Look Like a Goddess
P.P.S. Besides the books I ordered, theres a nice website here with lots of suggestions. http://www.strength-training-woman.com

March 17, 2009
New BMI = 44.64

Tags: 15% removed
Reached the 15% removed milestone this morning. Its a drop in the bucket given that I need to remove 53% of my starting weight in order to get into the normal BMI range, but its something.

Its more than Ive had before, and its an improvement. Im wearing clothes I havent fit into in years, and some I bought online that Ive never been able to wear before. My knee hardly ever hurts anymore, I feel stronger, and its nice to know I have made positive progress in at least one aspect of my life.

March 21, 2009
Macronutrient Ratios

Tags: carbs, fat, protein, sodium, strength training
According to the strength training article at Wikipedia, I should probably be getting between 90 and 225 grams of protein per day. I am having trouble getting that much. Generally I manage around 60-80 grams.

The strength training book I got from Amazon recommends a macronutrient ratio of

30% calories from protein
30% calories from fat
40% calories from carbs
SparkPeople wants

15% calories from protein (real range 10%-35%)
30% calories from fat (real range 20%-35%)
55% calories from carbs (real range 45%-65%)
Im usually somewhere around 30% protein, 20% fat, and 50% carbs. Which I guess is somewhere in the middle. Its hard to adjust and arrange foods to get a particular ratio. Generally, as long as the protein is between 25% and 30% Im happy. I need to increase the grams, though.

Heres what 3/22 looked like, after a sashimi dinner:



Im also still not eating as many calories as SparkPeople says I need (1,910 - 2,260). Today was the first time I felt any kind of fatigue, or anything like that. I just couldnt keep up with the tempo of the music (around 64 bpm). Today SparkPeople also complained because Ive done more cardio for the week than they anticipated, and so had to enter 3629 under calories burned so that they could increase the calories they want me to eat. This is ridiculous. (Wednesday and Thursday I did some Nordic Track and weight training after getting home from water aerobics.)

Anyway, Im excited for the whey to come that I ordered, so it will help me get in more protein. The Nasoya Lite Firm Tofu helps, too. Both seem to be convenient ways to get protein without getting a lot of fat and/or sodium with it.

I also ordered fish oil capsules for the omega-3 fatty acids that I know Im not getting.

P.S. Raw fish seems to work as a lean source of protein, too. Its unfortunate I cant afford a sashimi diet.

Calories Carbs Fat Protein
Edamame, frozen, prepared, 1.5 Cup 285 0 12 26
sashimi, yellowtail, 3 oz 124 0 4 20
tuna, bluefin sashimi, 6 oz 244 0 8 40
sashimi, snapper, 3 oz 85 0 1 17
salmon, atlantic, sashimi, 3 oz 121 0 5 17

March 30, 2009
War on Sodium

OK, thats IT. Ive had it with the sodium. In fact, I think its more of a threat in my food than fat. Really.

Take, for example, Schwans Chicken Tortilla Soup.

One cup has:

140 calories
3.5g fat
16g carbs
12g protein
Sounds pretty reasonable, right? Until you get to the part that says 1040mg sodium. What?! Are you kidding me? Thats more than half the sodium Im supposed to get, per day. The soup *tastes* salty, too.

Then we come to luncheon meat. In order to minimize fat, were just comparing turkey. I spent at least 20 minutes in the dairy section of Wegmans this morning looking at the backs of the packages to figure out whats going on. Whats going on is that the Ultra Thin sliced varieties have almost DOUBLE the salt.

There was a clear winner in terms of sodium, but its rawther expensive (75 cents per oz): Empire Kosher has less than half the sodium of most of the other kinds. The best mainstream type was Hillshire Select Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, Hearty Slices (44 cents per oz). I also looked at Oscar Meyer, Hormel, and Wegmans own brand, and they were comparable to the high sodium Hillshire.

Brand Calories Fat Carbs Protein Sodium
Cholesterol Iron
Empire Kosher Turkey Breast (3 slices = 57g), 57 gram(s) 50 0.0 1 11 300 30 4
Hillshire Farm Deli Select Oven Roasted Turkey Breast Hearty Slices (2 slices = 56g), 56 gram(s) 50 0 2 10 540 30 4
Hillshire Farm Deli Select Mesquite Smoked Turkey Breast (4 slices = 57g), 57 gram 50 1.0 3 8 620 25 4
Hillshire Farm Deli Select Honey Roasted Turkey Breast, Ultra Thin (6 slices = 57g), 57 gram(s) 60 1.0 5 8 650 25 2
Hillshire Farm Deli Select Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, Ultra Thin (6 slices = 57g), 57 gram 50 1.0 3 9 730 25 2
Now, onto salad dressings. In general, when you give up fat, they replace it with either sugar (carbs) or salt (sodium). Ive found that the spritzers actually deliver the most flavor with the least caloric, fat, or sodium impact. Heres a breakdown on them:

Brand Calories Fat Carbs Sodium
Kens Lite Accents Raspberry Walnut Spritzer (10 sprays), 1 serving 15 1 2 35
Wish-Bone Salad Spritzers, Ranch (10 sprays), 1 serving 15 1 0 70
Kens Lite Accents Asian Spritzer (10 sprays), 1 serving 15 1 2 80
Kens Lite Accents Balsamic Spritzer (10 sprays), 1 serving 10 0.5 1 95
Kens Lite Accents Honey Mustard Spritzer (10 sprays), 1 serving 15 1 2 95
Wish-Bone Salad Spritzers, Italian (10 sprays), 1 serving 10 1 1 100
Wish-Bone makes an Asian-themed one I like that is no longer on the shelf at Wegmans, so I was pleased to see that Kens is branching into that market and Wegmans is stocking it. Anything that makes my salads more interesting while providing a minimal macronutrient / sodium impact is good by me. I havent tried the Kens dressings yet. I can say that the Wishbone Italian goes better with tofu than the Ranch.

Im having to order more of the Nasoya Lite Firm Tofu today from Urban Sun, in order to get it on Friday. I seem to be going through about 6 lbs of tofu every 2 weeks. Its not cheap, but as a protein delivery method (while avoiding fats and sodium), its fantastic. Plus its got all those nice plant estrogens and the calcium from the coagulant.

The Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein is helpful too, but tastes a lot better in milk than water, and milk has carbs in it. And some sodium.

April 13, 2009
New Toy

Tags: f6, heart rate monitor, polar
Since I sometimes use the ski machine which does not have a heart rate monitor, I splurged and got myself one from Amazon.

Its got this handy feature that you can upload the data by sound from the wrist unit to your computer and from there to the vendors website and keep it available for tracking.

Here are the results from tonights session on the Elliptical, as summarized on the training website:

Pretty nifty, eh? I had chosen the moderate zone and was below it for about 4 minutes while warming up, and above it for about 4 minutes in the middle of the workout. (Thats how my Max HR ended up above the Upper HR Limit.) I had to turn off the beeping because it annoys me, so when Im out of the selected zone the wrist unit just flashes at me.

For the record, the ellipticals heart rate monitor must be pretty accurate, because it usually reads within +/- 1 bpm of what the chest strap does. The elliptical itself is taking quite a pounding, unfortunately, and Im not sure how long it is going to last. This is particularly unfortunate, since I tried every machine in both Sears and Dicks before settling on this one as most comfortable for my knee.

Theres supposedly some way to also download customized graphics and settings for the wrist unit, but Ill save that for another day.

On the BMI front, yesterday I was 0.6 pounds away from having lost 60 total. Ive got almost 18% of my original body weight off.

Update: as of 4/14 Im 0.4 pounds away from having lost 60 total.

  
  Member Comments About This Blog Post:

LOVEAZ 4/2/2011 11:35PM

    Interesting to see the early days and then look at your amazing photos now! I'm hovering at that super scary BMI category and trying to will it away by sheer force, then thinking that maybe I should do something!

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SUCCESS44 4/2/2011 12:06PM

    You go! It sounds like your journey has been long, but you are doing it and you are an inspiration!
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Measuring % body fat

Friday, April 01, 2011

My own personal philosophy is to

1) get the BMI below 30, and then
2) focus on dropping body fat.

The problem is, how do you actually *measure* body fat? It's elusive.

Here's a nice synopsis on Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_perce
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Here's an interactive web tutorial on some methods:
nutrition.uvm.edu/bodycomp
(Calipers aren't mentioned in this one.)

Leigh Peele wrote a very nice post about the topic:
www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures
-and-percentages

The pictures in there are especially helpful.

James Krieger wrote a really really in-depth series of 7 columns about the relative pros and cons of different methods for figuring out % body fat:

OVERVIEW
The Pitfalls of Body Fat Measurement: Part 1
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=146


UNDERWATER WEIGHING
The Pitfalls of Body Fat Measurement: Part 2
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=162

"The bottom line is that underwater weighing can give good results when looking at group averages, but not so good results when looking at individuals. The sad thing is that underwater weighing is actually the best method out of the 2-compartment models. Other methods, including the Bod Pod, BIA, and skinfolds, are significantly worse."

BOD POD
The Pitfalls of Body Fat Measurement, Part 3: Bod Pod
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=175

"The Bod Pod does OK when looking at group averages, with some studies showing error rates of around 2%; however, other studies have indicated average error rates of over 5%. The individual error rate for the Bod Pod can be unacceptably high in some individuals, and the Bod Pod is horrible for tracking change over time. For these reasons I would recommend against using the Bod Pod as a body composition assessment tool. Hydrostatic weighing, despite some of its problems, is much more reliable."

BIOELECTRICAL IMPEDANCE (BIA)
The Pitfalls of Bodyfat Measurement, Part 4: Bioelectrical Impedance (BIA)
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=218

"BIA can be problematic because it’s a prediction based off of a prediction, so the error gets compounded. When you look at group averages for BIA measurements, there tends to be bias, with BIA often underpredicting how much fat you have. As with other techniques, the individual error rates can get high, with some research showing error rates of around 8-9%. In fact, BIA doesn’t do much better than BMI at predicting body fat in some cases. When it comes to measuring change over time, BIA can often underpredict the amount of fat loss, and the estimated change can be off by up to 8%.

For all of these reasons, I am not a fan of BIA for measuring body composition in individuals. If you are going to use BIA for tracking body composition over time, I recommend very long time intervals between measurements (at least 3 months, but 6 months is probably better), as the error rate for BIA can be larger than the changes in body fat in you see. Whatever numbers you do get using BIA, always remember they are very rough predictions….and I emphasize very rough."

CALIPERS
The Pitfalls of Body Fat Measurement, Part 5: Skinfolds
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=250

"Like BIA, skinfolds can be way off when it comes to determining body fat percentage in individuals. When it comes to tracking change over time in groups, then skinfolds do pretty well. However, errors for tracking change in individuals over time can be up to 3-5%. Thus, if you are going to use skinfolds for tracking a single person over time, I recommend very long time intervals between measurements (minimum of 3 months but 6 months is better); otherwise, the error rate is higher than the change that you can see. In fact, I recommend against even calculating a body fat percentage. If skinfold thicknesses are going down, then you are likely losing fat."

DUAL-ENERGY X-RAY ABSORBANCE (DXA / DEXA)
The Pitfalls of Body Fat “Measurement, Part 6: Dual-Energy X-Ray
Absorptiometry (DEXA)
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=260

"Despite the fact that DEXA represents a 3-compartment model, its error rates are no better than hydrostatic weighing, and in some cases is worse. Like other techniques, DEXA does well when looking at group averages, but not so well when looking at individuals. Individual error rates tend to hover around 5%, although some studies have shown error rates as high as 10%. When looking at change over time in individuals, error rates have hovered around 5% in some research, although other research has indicated DEXA to perform much more poorly. For these reasons, I do not recommend DEXA for tracking change over time in individuals. If you do use DEXA for tracking change over time, I recommend very long time periods between measurements (a minimum of 3-6 months), as you will need a minimum of a 5% change in body fat to reliably detect a true change in body fat in most people."

SUMMARY
The Pitfalls of Body Fat Measurement, The Final Chapter
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?p
age_id=283

"Body fat testing isn’t useless, but you do need to be careful in how you interpret the results." "For extremely obese people, I recommend simple body weight and circumference measurements."

BOTTOM LINE:

According to him, hydrostatic weighing (NOT Bod Pod) and DXA are the most accurate. For following trends in % body fat he recommends calipers or if you're extremely obese, a plain old measuring tape.

For those of us who have weighed over 300 lbs, our bones are likely to be extremely dense (we're weight-lifting all the time just by walking around), so DXA is probably a better bet than hydrostatic weighing if you want to go either of those routes. I had a DXA scan done Jan '10 and at that point they said my bones were 25% denser than average.

I checked my Tanita BIA scale against the DXA % body fat measurement and discovered that if the scale was set to "athlete" mode the readings matched exactly.
www.amazon.com/Tanita-BC533-Innersca
n-Composition-Monitor/dp/B0007Y6BS4?ta
g=manifolds-20

So for now I'm just going with what my scale says, although BIA is not supposed to be very accurate. I'm averaging the daily measurements over at physicsdiet.com.
www.physicsdiet.com/Public.aspx?u=4a
-healthy-bmi


Although DXA is the technology used on the Biggest Loser to assess % body fat, many people still do not know about it. Here is a nice PDF article by Mary Oates summarizing its use, with pictures:
dxabodycomp.com/files/Oates_article.
pdf


So, where can you get a DXA scan done?

If you live west of the Continental Divide you can probably find a sports medicine or wellness center that will do it, if you just use Google Maps and search for "DXA" and "DEXA."

If you live in the East, it seems to generally be a bit trickier. You'll need to contact the radiology or imaging departments at a few local hospitals to find out if they 1) have the right machines (GE Lunar or Hologic) and 2) if they will even do a whole body scan (many places just use DXA for bone density testing and either don't know they can or don't choose to provide whole body composition analyses).

Once you've found a place that knows what you are talking about, you can bring the above Oats PDF article to your physician and ask for an order for the scan.

There aren't any lists anywhere of facilities that provide DXA body composition analysis, so I've started compiling one. The list of places that have responded so far is here:
spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl
=en&key=0Ah4KrA4GkhKgdEdRSllxSlpkb1lKR
nVGVjM4RUhacHc&output=html


If you know of a place that does it, or any lists where people collect that kind of information, please have them fill out this form here, so we can find more places:
spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=
en&formkey=dEdRSllxSlpkb1lKRnVGVjM4RUh
acHc6MQ#gid=0

  
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VTRICIA 4/26/2013 11:31AM

    Awesome info! The bod pod seems like such a good idea, shame it doesn't pan out. They could probably make it a lot more effective by making it more like a steel can, but that would probably freak people out.

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OOLALA53 10/28/2011 7:16AM

    I've had the underwater weighing and DEXA ( at San Diego State University.) DEXA was a lot easier! But it's expensive. I have a Tanita scale, but I know it's way off. I also used calipers. Though they many not be accurate, they certainly seemed to match the changes that happened in my body over the year I used them. They are harder to use, but cheap and available.

Don't you wonder how they can test the accuracy of the tests?


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HOUNDLOVER1 10/27/2011 2:28PM

    Thanks for all the detailed info. Makes me wonder if a tape measure and a mirror isn't easier. emoticon

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LJR4HEALTH 7/27/2011 3:43PM

    Thank you for that detailed info I knew that all of the test are estimates I always thought the test in the water was most accurate learned something new today

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KAYOTIC 4/3/2011 2:06PM

    Great stuff here, gives me a new perspective on this type of measurement. I've been trying to lower my body fat % for years, and just seem stuck, and the tool of measurement is BIA (since that's what I have easy access to), I've also only been tracking infrequently, so maybe that's been a good thing. It's just not moving at all, but then again, I'm in maintenance, and my program isn't changed all that much either. I've recently upped my strength training so hopefully next time I get on that scale I'll see some difference.

Thanks for all this info!

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MADABOUTCATS 4/2/2011 5:31PM

    My physical therapist has been measuring me monthly and it's proving to be a great motivational tool. I lost over 5 inches total last month, but the numbers on the scale are going down at a snail's pace now. I know my clothes are getting looser and I have bags more energy, so that's good enough for me. :-) Thanks for the post. Will check into the DXA technology here in England. Did it cost a lot to have it done in the States? Susan emoticon

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 4/2/2011 12:56PM

    @GL
I know, right? Who would have thought (or even wanted to believe) that a measuring tape could be preferable than any of these high tech methods?

Go figure.

Like you said in the related thread, I'm going to continue using BIA because it's there. But I'm not going to believe it beyond an 8-9% margin of error.

@JESPAH
If you find any facilities around you that do this, please have them add themselves to the list! :-)

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GRACEFULIFE 4/2/2011 12:53PM

    Actually, Krieger suggested not even converting the skinfold measurements to body fat percentage. He suggested using the sum of all the skinfold measurements as a figure of merit. I intend to shift to that and circumference measurements for tracking how my plan is working.

I've debated about summing the skinfolds vs. using them individually, and I will see how they look once I start having them taken regularly again. I suppose summing them does eliminate some of the random error in individual measurements, and also the "fat comes off in sheets" rule of thumb would indicate that the sum of the skinfolds would be the best measurement of fat loss progress.

However, all that only really applies to someone in a fairly normal range of body fat. For an obese person, circumference measurements are probably the best tracking method.

None of which is, of course, what I'd have said a year ago.

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JESPAH 4/2/2011 9:38AM

    Interesting. Hologic is based here (I know one of their Directors). Maybe they have more machines here as well.

Thanks for the info!

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 4/1/2011 1:15PM

    @JENBUTTARS

According to Krieger the Bod Pod is not any better than calipers for accuracy and significantly worse for tracking changes in % body fat...

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JENBUTTARS 4/1/2011 1:08PM

    Great info! I just did a BodPod assessment yesterday. It was only $25 at my local university sports medicine dept. Definitely more accurate than calipers or bio-impedence (over 30% body fat).

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Rotator cuff. :-(

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

The one really important joint for kayaking is the shoulder. The one thing you don't want to mess up is your rotator cuff.

Guess what I hurt when I fell snowboarding on Sunday? Yeah.

^%$#@!! off-season sports.

Doc says to stay off it 8-10 days and if it's not better by then to get an MRI.

Which means I won't be going to West Virginia to paddle this weekend as I'd planned.

So now I get to satisfy myself with indoor cycling. Weight lifting is going to be kind of out, until the shoulder is better. Except for stuff I can do with my left hand I suppose. I'll ask my PT when I see him tomorrow.

Bah.

  
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JESPAH 3/31/2011 10:01AM

    Oooooh.

Treat yourself well, dolling.

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TENACIOUSTIGER 3/30/2011 3:55AM

    yikes owwww and oh bgguer, that sckus maybe i can send my top half to you and the two(halves) can have fun while the rest of (us ) heals and gets on with it. Still hopefully it will not be major and in 10 days its will all be good news! Fingers crossed emoticon emoticon At least you can work out your frustrations on the bike, i'm only allowed to do 10mins bike twice a day, and no weights above 2kg which doesnt really cut it. Oh well here's thinking healing thoughts for you, on your bike and off course what they all tell me
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JUDYK17 3/29/2011 9:52PM

    Hope it gets better soon, make sure you give it the rest it needs.

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MONIEE2 3/29/2011 6:59PM

    A big OUCH!!! Take care of yourself, I have a problem with my rotator cuff & it is no joke. I am amazed at your weight loss journey!!! You go girl!!!

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ELYMWX 3/29/2011 4:57PM

    Ouch. And that's all I can say. Take care...

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CARRIE1948 3/29/2011 3:02PM

    So sorry. The good news is you get to bike

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GEE-KNEE 3/29/2011 1:29PM

    I hope it gets better soon, so you can get back to doing the things you love.

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FRECKS96 3/29/2011 1:15PM

    Ugh, good luck!

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GRACEFULIFE 3/29/2011 1:07PM

    Right... that and the knee thing puts lunge/squat/deadlift out... core work involving the arms like plank holds or rollouts is out.... sucks. But you could do left-handed swings and snatches.

I'm totally sorry for you... keep us up to date on how it heals.

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WOLFKITTY 3/29/2011 11:15AM

    Eek! Sorry to hear it, but I'm sending you get well wishes. Maybe the PT will straighten things out. I kinda have a pain in my should blade after doing a 2 hour Zumba party class on Sunday. I think I was just a little too enthusiastic with my dancing. Not nearly as serious as your injury, but I'm trying to stretch it and treat it well until that goes away.

Best of luck, my friend!
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VEEJAY3 3/29/2011 10:44AM

    I'm a swimmer, and when my shoulder continued to twinge for MONTHS after a bad fall, I was sure I'd torn something in my rotator cuff and would need surgery. Saw my massage therapist, and he said 'let's give it three sessions, and if it's still hurting, you have to get that MRI".

Three (painful!!!! owwweeee!!) sessions later, I was back to my mile-a-day swim with no pain whatsoever.

I hope your injury is an easy fix ... think about massage therapy if you don't already use it. Best of luck ... I HATE to be on the injured reserve list right when the weather turns beautiful!!!

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DDOORN 3/29/2011 10:29AM

    Oof! What a double-edge sword our "fun" can be...!

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 3/29/2011 10:29AM

    I like my PT. He's good. But I wish I didn't need to go there at all. I already lift weights, see a trainer, etc.

I think I'll pick his brain about kayak-specific stuff. My trainer hasn't been so helpful for that; she's more into all-round fitness, which is OK but doesn't focus on my favored sport.

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BREWMASTERBILL 3/29/2011 10:26AM

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I can relate to injuries, it just sucks. No other way about it.

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AHEALTHIERME44 3/29/2011 10:25AM

    Sorry to hear about your shoulder injury! This really hits home for me because I took a serious fall at work and hurt my left shoulder last July. Definitely see your PT asap as he can help you with exercises that will help you keep it moving. When I went I found that the mobilization and ultrasound were really helpful the first couple of weeks especially. We gradually worked up to strengthening and now I am stronger then ever! I still have days when it bothers me but it does not limit what I do anymore.
Hang in there!! It takes time but you will be out kayaking soon.
Way to find other activities in the mean time :)

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Similarities between managing a huge weight loss and eating disorders

Friday, March 18, 2011

PATTILYNN224 and I have been discussing perceptions of this weight loss process and body dysmorphia, etc.

Something about her questions cut down right to the heart of the matter in a way that made me want to share my answers here.

The conversation started when she commented on the photo of me going over Ohiopyle Falls


PATTILYNN224
When you started your journey to better health did you know you were going to get to the place you're at now or were you just hopeful?

4A-HEALTHY-BMI
I had NO IDEA I'd start doing something crazy like whitewater kayaking.

At the very beginning I would have been thrilled to just get my weight under 300. Seriously. LOL

When it went under 200 I was shocked and amazed.

And when I got my % body fat between 17 and 19 last year (which is technically "athlete" range) I really didn't believe it.

I still have trouble thinking of myself as an athlete, but I'm working on it. It takes a lot longer to change what's inside your head than it does to lose the weight.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31489881/ns/ health-womens_health


PATTILYNN224
Thanks for the link. I guess because I am so far away from that point in my life I never really considered those things. Thanks for the flip side. It's an eye opener. I wonder if that is how some fall into becoming anorexic?

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If I were focused more on body weight and less on athletic performance (my strength to weight ratio i.e. lean muscle versus fat), I can easily see how I could slip into some kind of anorexia. There are a lot of similarities between the process of losing a massive amount of weight and having an eating disorder.

In order to make a change this big in my life I've had to go to some extremes in terms of control. (They don't call it "morbidly" obese for nothing - that sh1t will kill you - so I figure it's a matter of life and death to keep it off.) I weigh almost everything I eat and, I log my weight and percent body fat daily at physicsdiet.com.

I log my cardio exercise with a heart rate monitor and try to get an adequate number of strength training sessions per week and I lift heavy. At the moment I'm aiming for two workouts per day at least three days M-F to support the long, hard kayking and snowboarding sessions on the weekends I do for fun.

It didn't start out this way - at first all I did was log my food and walking/water aerobics/weight lifting at SP and weigh myself once a week. I wasn't concerned with my macronutrient ratios or my % body fat. I was just excited to see the pounds dropping and hoped to go down a size in clothes and maybe one day be out of ordering 3X and 4X sizes online and be able to shop in the 1X and 2X sizes in actual stores.

  
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WATERMELLEN 6/26/2012 10:26PM

    This is a great blog about eating disorders and weight loss maintenance. It's amazing how our minds work in similar paths . . . or maybe I'm coming along the path a bit later!! Thanks for the link!!

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LADYGWEN25 3/21/2011 8:20AM

    I agree there's a fine line.. and i think it all has to do with mindset like 4A and Gracefullife said.. If your mindset is one that working out every days leads to a more productive lifestyle through playing sports, activities, enjoying your kid more.. then you're on the right track.. If you mindset comes down to scrutinizing every single bite of food to the tenth on the scale .. or even a fixation of how much you're eating to how much you're working out.. You could have the start of a problem.

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FRECKS96 3/21/2011 7:57AM

    Thanks for sharing. I had a conversation with my mom this weekend that touched on a similar topic. It's always good to be reminded of what we need to be mindful of.

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ANNE7X7 3/20/2011 8:43PM

    Thank you for sharing this!! I've been pondering this a lot, and your thoughts on it are super interesting!

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KAZINMICH 3/20/2011 1:51PM

    I struggle emotionally with my weight and worry that no matter what I do I'll be stuck at this weight the rest of my life. Or I worry I will have to go so overboard to be healthy it will take over my life. I don't want to do 2 or 3 workouts a day, I don't want my life to be work, workout, cook, clean, sleep. My body keeps revolting over the one workout I try to get done. I refuse to give up despite my physical ailments. It took a drastic overhaul of my diet, and adding in exercise to lose what i lost, but its very hard to tell that I lost close to 40 lbs already.

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DDOORN 3/19/2011 10:49PM

    Thank you for sharing both the conversation AND the link...I can attest to that article applying to men as well!

Don

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KAYOTIC 3/19/2011 4:19PM

    What a wonderful accomplishment, and the journey you are on is inspiring!

It sounds like you have found a great balance in working out and having fun, this should serve you well in your new life as an athlete!

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GRACEFULIFE 3/19/2011 10:43AM

    "If you're at a healthy BMI and you're beating yourself up over the scale number, you're treading in dangerous water."

I disagree, mainly because I believe that having a larger amount of muscle mass can readily put you into the "overweight" BMI range. If you define "healthy BMI" as "up to 30" as 4A has to me before then I retract my point.

I read an article from one of the notable trainers online in which a client commented that when they'd been obese, they'd "never thought of themselves as someone who can exercise". And that's a real key. The switch from that to "I love what lifting heavy does to my body" or "I'd love to go shred today" or getting up saying "Oh cool, today I get to go kayak class IV" is a sea change, and that is really what a healthy lifestyle is about.

I didn't even pull off a huge transformation like 4A, but even for me it was a big deal to say "OK now I am quite fit, I don't care so much about my weight". Since the bottom I've gained about 15 pounds... thing is, I gained like 10 of it nearly instantly after I began weight training and my size barely changed. I'm significantly smaller than the last time I was at this weight. I'm trying to cut some again, but the difference is that this tme it's not something I'd gnaw my arm off for. Now it's just another thing I'd like to have happen, eventually.

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BREWMASTERBILL 3/19/2011 10:05AM

    I think you made the VERY important transition from being focused on the scale to more practical goals like athletic performance. If you get fixated on the scale number, you're flirting with eating disorder territory. The only way to make the scale continuously go down is to eat less and exercise more. Once you are at a healthy weight, you really have to get into eating disorder territory to make the scale go down much more. If you're at a healthy BMI and you're beating yourself up over the scale number, you're treading in dangerous water.

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JESPAH 3/19/2011 9:45AM

    It does seem to be a fine line/related. Certainly an extreme either way can tip us over.

For some of us, we are here because of somewhat addictive personalities. Being addicted to food, or to weight loss, well, they could perhaps be two sides of one coin.

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CARRIE1948 3/19/2011 8:22AM

    All I know is my body perception is radically different from what the world sees. It's not a case of what I monitor or wanting to hit a certain number on the scale or body fat - I simply see myself as fat now when I didn't before. I notice all the places where I still jiggle a little and give fleeting notice to my increased strength and endurance.

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WOLFKITTY 3/18/2011 12:16PM

    I know that I've said things before like, "Yeah, I started losing weight and one of the things that appealed to me was that I have 100% control over how I move my body or what I eat". I guess that's one of the things that is a major milestone for anorexia, is that feeling of control. But I don't believe that I behave in a dysfunctional way. I log my food, I eat almost 2,000 calories a day, and since it's working toward being healthier without excessive exercise, it doesn't fall into that category.

I want to keep it like that - an effort to sustain and strengthen life, not squelch it. But I know that people with eating disorders believe that they ARE doing that, sometimes. Isn't it a fine line?

Jocelyn

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Research Guinea Pig - mobile wellness apps

Thursday, March 17, 2011



So I joined a study as a research subject. It's kind of cool.

They lent me an Android phone for a month and I'm supposed to take a photograph whenever I make a health-related decision, rate it on a scale of -3 to +3, associate an emotion with it, and share it with the other people in the study who are also doing the same thing.

Then we can look at each other's photos and comment on them and have conversations.

Here's the page where the research study is described:
idl.cornell.edu

Look at the list of projects on the lower left and click "Vera."

If you don't feel like following the link, here's the blurb about the study:

"A key to behavior change is the ability to intervene at the point of decision. In health behavior, this could be the moment one must decide between taking the elevator or the stairs or whether or not to eat a piece of cake. These are also the moments where it is most difficult to reach people--they occur throughout the day, often randomly, in any location. Fortunately, the ubiquity and awareness of today's mobile phones provides us with a solution. The goal of this project is to explore the use of the mobile phone as a behavioral interrupt: how, at the point of health-related decisions, can we encourage people to take a moment to think about the ramifications of their decision, reflect on past decisions, and ultimately make healthier choices?"

So far I've only had one conversation with someone who posted a picture of her dog (I commented that I thought it looked cute and she said thanks).

It kind of reminds me of the blogs WOLFKITTY was doing for a while where she logged all her food by photograph.

I'm interested to see if it'll help me stay on track, because it often is at the moment of decision that I waver and sometimes end up making choices I regret - especially when it comes to binge eating. I'll let you know how it goes.

It's also kind of neat to have access to a smart phone. My cheapo Tracfone can't do these things. I think I prefer the iPod interface to Android overall, but I could get used to the swipe text entry feature...

  
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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 3/18/2011 2:48PM

    @BB
I found this on one of the websites for a grad student working on VERA:

How can mobile phones can be used to employ various forms of motivation-both social and individual-to encourage healthy behavior? Intrinsic motivators are innate motivational factors such as competition, cooperation, control, and recognition that have been leveraged to bring about behavior change in many circumstances. Social influence has been shown to play an important role in persuasion and the motivation of behavior change; countless studies, both involving technology and not, have shown that individuals grouped with peers have better results in alcohol and smoking cessation, losing weight, exercising, and even surviving cancer. Through good design, all of these motivational factors can be employed and studied in mobile phone applications. We have developed and pilot-tested a health behavior application called VERA in which users take photos to document health-related behaviors, then rate and reflect on their own behaviors as well as those of their peers. Preliminary data show that individuals using VERA exhibit generally healthier behavior than those who don't, and that individuals using VERA with their peers are healthier yet. Furthermore, VERA collects volumes of highly valuable data, explicitly documenting the day-to-day health-related behavior with associated stress and emotional state of participants. This represents great promise for the use of cell phones as a means of encouraging healthier behaviors related to weight loss and the prevention of obesity.

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 3/18/2011 12:02PM

    @BB
I'm not sure either, but like you said, logging works. Perhaps they're just trying to see if an app like this will work for the purposes of logging and how it can be improved. Either way I'm not about to turn down the chance to spend a month being accountable in a different way.

(Or the chance to have a free smart phone for a month. It doesn't do calls or txt but I can access the online river levels, which is sweet for kayaking purposes...)
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Here's their manifesto:

"The Interaction Design Lab explores social and technical issues in the design, implementation, and evaluation of information and communication technologies. We conduct research in mobile computing, technologies for health and wellness, social networking, affective computing, design theory, and related areas. Our work seeks to understand how technology can help enable more healthy, socially connected, reflective living."

So perhaps it's just an experiment in how to develop a health decision logging app. Perhaps the real point is to figure out what features make us interact, or to find out how we interact - both with the app and with each other through the app.

Anyway, for the purposes of most research projects it is usually best for the subjects to just follow the instructions without knowing the real questions behind the study. Otherwise we might accidentally bias the results.
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BREWMASTERBILL 3/18/2011 12:00PM

    I think people change their behavior(s) when being watched or when they're tracking (food tracking is a great example of that). So I guess I just don't get what they're hoping to accomplish. Maybe I just can't get my head around fuzzy stuff since I deal with machines most of my day.

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4A-HEALTHY-BMI 3/18/2011 11:19AM

    @BB
My understanding is that we're supposed to pull out the phone and make the decision right there on the spot and log it immediately. That's why they want us using a web-accessible phone. At the moment since I'm still getting used to the idea, I often realize I've already made a critical decision and I log it after the fact.

They surveyed us at the beginning of the study and said they'd survey us again at the end. So I think they're looking for some change in the answers, probably as a perceived effect of using the app.

This is social science, dude. It ain't like the physical sciences we geeks know and love. It's way fuzzy and hard to quantify.
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I suppose we could pretend this is a rat or hamster or some other sort of lab animal, but it appears to be outside, not in a cage...
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BREWMASTERBILL 3/18/2011 7:31AM

    So I guess I'm not following entirely. You make a million decisions all day long. Before you make a "critical" decision, you're supposed to pull out the phone? Or do you review your good/bad decisions after the deed is done? It seems to me like this is subject to the uncertainty principle. Or is that the idea? Are they trying to measure you in your 'natural environment' or are they trying to measure if the phone changes your behavior?

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WOLFKITTY 3/18/2011 2:46AM

    Hmmmmm!! Interesting!
I can't wait to hear what YOUR analysis is after this!
Jocelyn

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GRACEFULIFE 3/18/2011 12:29AM

    I have an Android phone now and I'm still getting used to it, but I like it overall. The battery life I don't think I'm happy with though.

I wish I could get in this just so I could watch your stuff, hahaha.

Swype is awesome. So is text entry by speech, with no programming required. Lots of cool stuff in the market, too...

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