I don't think McDonalds is healthy. I do agree they have healthier alternatives, but try telling a child you can only order a salad and the grilled chicken. I get that I am the parent and dictate what they can eat, but they WANT the french fries,the chicken mcnuggets, the coke, etc and they don't want JUST the serving size they want the 15 pack of mcnuggets and the large coke and large fry. Ha Ha!
So as a parent we NO longer eat at McDonalds. In fact, we hardly ever eat out anymore. I just refuse to support fast food convenience anymore. My children will not be subjected to these fried foods. They ask me still if they can eat there, my answer is always the same NO!
Now we do prepare fresh french fries baked, chicken mcnuggets made from chicken breasts all homemade at home, but NO soda. You can still eat some of these things just prepared a little differently and in my opinion so much better.
2/4/13 2:05 P
I don't think they are trying to force people to be healthy, I think that they are just trying to set an example and encourage/help people to make healthy choices. I think they've done the right thing. People can always go across the street or down the block and get McDonalds if they want to.
2/4/13 12:57 P
There ain't nothing wrong with McDonald's. They do have healthy choices but we all like to blame someone else!!!!
2/4/13 12:33 P
I think it is a good thing. If you think about it, it is the convenience factor. If the stuff isn't readily available. People probably won't go out of their way to get it. I know I wouldn't.
Its their decision to stock whatever foods they want and if they have chosen to remove unhealthy options via vending machines I think its a great idea. How can you promote a healthy lifestyle while having those foods on site?
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9,035 2/4/13 12:06 P
I think that health care facilities should be setting examples for the rest of us. I've seen many, many very overweight nurses, doctors, and other workers at hospitals. I don't see anything wrong with the Cleveland Clinic not having vending machines on their property; or if they have to have them, offer healthy choices. People working or visiting there can still bring their own junk food with them if they want, but at least not having the junk available on site would make it a little bit easier to choose healthy alternatives. About the McDonald's outlet, there are healthy options available there too. It's all a matter of educating people about what, and how much, they should eat.
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523 2/4/13 12:00 P
No kidding! I think it is almost funny... Most of the people I know who would be "outraged" by something like this are the people who would benefit MOST from it! I think a lot of us here are understanding our own power and are not so concerned with "playing the victim." We know we are ultimately in control no matter what other businesses decide. In my experience, the "average American" complains about their "power" being taken away but will happily take away other people's "power" to give themselves whatever they want. It is silly and a bit sickening to me!
thank you for the comments, Trust me I dont thing Mc Donalds is healthy, I wont go there and refuse to take my children there, and vending machines I think are great, but fill them with fiber one bars or bags of apples, we all know the days that we are rushing and need something to tide us over. This was a discussion on the news the morning i posted this, and the feedback was crazy that is why i posted it here to see how different the responses would be, trust me the answer's from a page where people are getting in shape and healthy are much different from those calling in on the news, its funny how differently people can thing.
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11,649 2/2/13 11:57 P
Vending machines with healthier choices would be great!!!
2/2/13 11:35 P
I believe that in this day and age, a lot of people eat out of habit, boredom, stress, or just because they walk by the vending machines and those chips look awfully good. Think how much healthier many of us might be if snack foods were not available everywhere, including the warehouse store where I often don't pass up something sweet, salty, crunchy, or totally void of nutritional value. But we should still have choices, and perhaps offering a variety of healthier choices such as granola bars, trail mix, freeze dried fruit, lower sodium jerkey, etc. would be a giant step forward. I think it's a good thing for a health provider such as Cleveland Hospital to scuttle the junk food laden vending machines.
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2/2/13 11:32 P
Think hospitals, including their own cafeteria, should be the example of healthy cooking, don't they want you to stay out of the hospital! I have been to hospitals, and was shocked to see what was on their menu. I don't think, they should enforce, anybody, freedom of choice. We are just getting lazy, its easier and cheaper. I do find, that the fast food places are getting better to eat at, I do find, Taco TIme, really easy to eat there, Fit hit bowls, veggie soft taco light, salads, soup, etc.
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3,830 2/2/13 11:20 P
I appauld Cleveland Cllinic in ther actions.It is there property and they have right to do this.I only hope more medical facities do the same thing around the Country.People will always find unheathly food choices i f they choose too..If this helps one person then it was worth it.
I wish someone -- anyone -- had cared enough about me to force me to be healthy, but no one did, so here I am.
Hospitals (public or private) should never under any circumstances have quantifiably unhealthy food available for sale or to patients. However, I do understand that they need to make people sick in order to have lots of customers.
2/2/13 3:24 P
I think it's a good step in the right direction. As others have stated it's private property and it is a hospital. Recently when my mom was in the hospital my Dad and I went to the cafeteria having gone hours not eating. It was closed and only had vending machines but they were refrigerated ones. They had "healthy choice" frozen entrees, fruit, milk, cheese and crackers etc. Other machines had the regular stuff but more nuts and trail mix etc. Granted it was still mainly processed stuff but at least it was healthier than chips, cookies and cokes.
I think this is a great step in the right direction. It's true we can't force someone to eat healthy and get fit and exercise, but we don't have to make it super convenient for them to make unhealthy choices.
It's about time a business stand up and do something. This reminds me of all the fast food places in our schools and vending machines. These too, need to go if they are still around.
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4,600 2/2/13 12:40 P
I applaud The Cleveland Clinic for their action. Most experts in weight loss agree that relying on individuals to have the will power to resist unhealthy temptations is not sufficient by itself to turn around the obesity epidemic. We need society as a whole to help by making healthy choices more accessible and unhealthy choices a little less so. People still have the freedom to make unhealthy choices: The Cleveland Clinic is simply not going to encourage them to make unhealthy choices by subsidizing them and making them easy.
I work for a hospital that has not yet come that far in its employee wellness program. They talk a good game, but they have not yet done much of anything to help us BE healthy. We can't get a healthy meal here. We SAY we promote health, but our ACTIONS encourage unhealthy diets.
Hooray for The Cleveland Clinic. They are not trying to FORCE people to be healthy against their will, they are trying the HELP people be healthy by creating a healthy environment for their employees, patients, and visitors.
I think it is a little crazy that you think vending machines are a necessity. And how would removing vending machines and McDonald's force you to be healthy? You could still bring in donuts or McDonald's if you wanted. It isn't like they are making you eat a veggie before you cross the threshold or emptying you of all other foodstuffs.
2/1/13 11:23 P
I second just about every single word in Anarie's post - thanks for taking the time to state the case so clearly.
I would add that many, many medical personnel seem to have a problem eating healthfully. Anything the CC can do to make it easier for their staff, visitors and patients to avoid the false temptations of junk food is a benefit to all as well a probable boost to their bottom line in the form of lower health care costs, greater employee retention, etc.
First, there's a huge difference between "forcing you to be healthy" and making it less convenient for you to be unhealthy. Removing junk food from their building doesn't stop anyone from walking across the street to a Burger King or 7-11.
Second... It's a HOSPITAL!!!! It's a hospital and academic medical research center, currently the nation's leading place for CARDIAC care. Not only is there nothing strange about them wanting to get rid of McDonalds, it's kind of freakish and creepy that McDonalds ever got in there in the first place. I mean, do the patients really need to be able to ride the elevator in their wheelchair down to the lobby to get another Big Mac before their triple bypass? A 20-oz Coke and some Skittles from the vending machine when they come out of surgery for diabetic neuropathy? The hospital should be a safe zone where it's not hard to make healthy choices and it IS a little less convenient to grab the unhealthy stuff.
As for vending machines, it's pretty hard to maintain them with all healthy choices. Most foods that are heart-healthy have a fairly short shelf life or need refrigeration. That's why hydrogenated oil was invented/utilized in the first place. Remember Crisco? You could have a can of that open in your cabinet for years. Snacks with olive oil and even peanut oil would start to spoil within weeks of going into the machine, so a vending machine contractor is going to charge many times more to do that. It's probably cheaper to have a little snack shop with a refrigerator case.
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523 2/1/13 1:42 P
Businesses get to decide what they want inside their property. If they don't want vending machines or McDonald's, then they should be able to say "no, go away." But outside of their property- outside of what is legally theirs- it's a free market. I think lobbying for all McDonald's everywhere to go away is completely wrong. But there is no reason why entities can't make their own choices. It's like, you might get rid of all the cookies in your house, because they're unhealthy and you don't want your kids eating them, and that is totally fine. But you wouldn't go through every house in the neighborhood to throw out every cookie there.
You are right that you can't force somebody to be healthy, but why abet it? I don't really know what Cleveland Clinic is, but if it's a hospital... the new health care bill that passed, part of it actually changes how doctors would get paid so it is more on a "merit" pay, where the health of your patients determines partially your salary. So obviously the hospital will do all it can to help their patients make the healthier choices, because now patient choices will influence Doctor's lives. It does make it so we are trying to control each other's choices more... but you can't blame them or say it's wrong.
today when i walked in to the bakery to get donuts for my customer's, the lady was telling me about how cleveland clinic has removed all vending machines, and is trying to get mc donalds out as well because it isnt good for you. I do think having a subway or a healthier choice would make more sense, but my feeling is you cant force someone to be healthy, removing the vending machines seems kind of crazy, maybe fill them with healthier choices, wanted to get your thoughts.
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