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LEANIE64 SparkPoints: (30,383)
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3/1/14 1:15 P

I need to ponder on this one..

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3/1/14 1:11 P

Am I one of the few noticing a bit of a mental disconnection here?

We tip servers because they do not make minimum wage.
If they earn minimum wage, many people would still tip. Because we have been "programmed" to believe that servers are a special class who "deserve" tips.

There developed a thought that if you tip well you will receive better service. Since the tip isn't paid till after the service is provided the server doesn't know how much the tip will be. Supposedly this incentives them to work harder. Personally, I don't think this works well. I've had both good and bad service.

This has morphed into the expectation that if I bring you your food you will tip me 20%.

And it has grown into "service providers" should be tipped. A hairdresser who charges 60$ a haircut/hr should be tipped. The nurse who starts your IV in one stick isn't. They both provide a service. And the hairdresser makes more then the nurse and has a safer job.

There are many more examples if you think about it where tipping has become expected.


FREDSEVOLUTION Posts: 3,275
3/1/14 10:33 A

Servers work hard sometimes from what I can tell most likely during the dinner rush. I usually tip no less than 15% and believe me I'm not rich ! With that said, most people do not make that a career any ways. I do not feel that increasing the minimum wage is the solution that would aid anyone for the economic situation in our country. In fact it would have the opposite effect. If I have to pay more for dinner out then, I will go out less. The restaurants are not going to pick up the tab for higher wages it's going to be passed on to John and Jane Doe.

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3/1/14 10:32 A

I would go from 30 to 10

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3/1/14 10:29 A

Good tips for good service.

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3/1/14 9:48 A

If servers made a guaranteed $15 an hour PLUS whatever tips they got.... idk. I think you'd find the meal prices going up significantly, and the general public tipping less or going out to eat a lot less. There are a lot of people who work just as hard if not harder, and do not make $15 an hour. (and never get any tips on top of it)

As it is now, servers where I live make $2.13/hour plus tips, with their employer making up the difference up to minimum wage, if the tips don't bring in enough to meet the minimum wage amount. Which would happen during, say, inclement weather or a "dead" time of day. Or if the restaurant is a really crappy one and doesn't get a lot of customers, in which case they're working at the wrong place. So for me.... I can't see servers having a significantly higher min. wage amount, than everyone else. (Where I live, the min wage is the federally mandated one.) Because they'd be earning that minimum, during "down" time when what are they doing, anyway? 15 bucks an hour to stand around gossiping, waiting for a customer to come in? I don't think so.

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3/1/14 9:47 A

Yes...

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3/1/14 8:37 A

I am sure meal prices will go up and I think I would go out less often. I would still give a good tip for good service. I think it is getting hard for a lot of us to enjoy a good meal out with how much everything has gone up.

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3/1/14 5:22 A

No

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3/1/14 3:40 A

Yes, I would still tip if the minimum went up but you'd better be a good waiter or waitress because the percentage I tip would go up or down~

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3/1/14 12:31 A

of course

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2/28/14 11:58 P

Yes

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LOLA_LALA Posts: 659
2/28/14 11:36 P

Absolutely! I don't go out to eat very often, and when I get great service, I tip generously. A minimum wage increase on top of that would only make me VERY happy, knowing that someone doesn't have to struggle so hard to make ends meet. To me, that's great news!

VELAINE66 Posts: 334
2/28/14 10:48 P

I think I would have to stop eating out because tfood would be priced too high for my income.





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REBECANOLA Posts: 3,285
2/28/14 10:27 P

BRIANLIEBERTH - $10/hr can be a decent enough wage for a single person to be able to afford a place to live (outside of large, expensive cities like San Francisco and NYC) and basic needs. If the federal minimum wage had kept up with inflation over the past 40 years, it would be almost $11/hr. If two adults made a minimum wage of $11/hr and worked full time, they'd be able to support a family in most places. Not extravagantly, but it would be enough to not require safety net support. My bottom line is that no one who works full time should be under the poverty line - (which is too low anyway).

Maybe I'm cynical, but I think if we didn't have minimum wage laws, we'd see even lower wages. I don't think we can trust companies not to simply try to maximize profits by keeping wages low. If wages were higher, employers could be competing for competent and loyal employees.

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2/28/14 7:13 P

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Absolutely, yes I will continue to tip. Why would you not. The average person looks for a raise that their jobs each year, but doesn't always happen.

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2/28/14 7:06 P

Servers do not make minimum wage.... usually around $2.19 plus tips. They live off tips and their ck pays taxes

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2/28/14 7:01 P

My wife and I can't afford to eat our unless we go to a fast food place so I don't have to worry about the tipping. No, I would not tip someone that much money.

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SLLYONS51 Posts: 2,644
2/28/14 6:56 P

Yes I would. I was recently comped a really good meal. Had exceptional service of not 1 but 2 servers and I tipped well. They seemed surprised. I guess most people comped don't tip.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 14,253
2/28/14 4:40 P

Balancing hot trays of food, from the kitchen to your table, is hard labor. I imagine I would still tip even if the server made $10-15 an hour. I tip the person that delivers my groceries. And the guy that delivers my Chinese food. Even though he is family of the owner.



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2/28/14 4:38 P

Yes of course as minimum wage should be that rate in the first place. I always wonder how servers live on what they make because other than bartenders, the tips are not a huge add to their wage.

SONICB Posts: 4,308
2/28/14 3:58 P

As I understand it, in most European countries, you do not tip your waiter unless the service is exceptional because servers are paid enough. The tips servers earn in the States are meant to offset the terrible hourly wage they are getting paid (usually $2-$4/hr). If their wages are bumped up to $10-$15/hr, I will tip less than I currently do (around 20%).

SHKIRK Posts: 1,168
2/28/14 3:46 P

I douth it. I make in that wage range and in my job I do not get tips

BRIANLIEBERTH Posts: 641
2/28/14 3:02 P

Ahh but there is the question, what is a a decent wage? Now I am not a server nor an employer so I don't have an agenda, but is a decent wage $10 an hour? $15 maybe $17.5? Who gets to decide what is a decent wage? Is it the employer? Is it the government? Since minimum wage laws have gone in the government is the one to decide that, but no matter what the number is there is there are those that say it needs to be higher.

I really don't know what the answer is other than to encourage policies that make jobs more plentiful and easier to create. That way employers need to compete for the best workers and therefore the wage (price) goes up. By placing limits and artificial supports we discourage job creation and therefore the employer has the upper hand and the employees have to compete. Minimum wage laws actually cause jobs to be lost more often than added. Making the cost of labor more expensive does not increase jobs it reduces them. Less skilled workers are the first to go.

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REBECANOLA Posts: 3,285
2/28/14 2:44 P

Anyone who says "No one tips me for doing my job and I only make minimum wage!" clearly doesn't understand how a waiter is paid. If a waiter were actually paid $10-$15 by the restaurant, there would be no need to tip the person. As some mentioned, even though the minimum wage is $7.25 most servers are paid $2.13 per hour by their employer. The rest is supposed to be made up in tips. If they don't make it up in tips, the employer is supposed to pay them the minimum wage. If the minimum wage is raised, but the wage paid by the employer is not raised to meet it, then of course I would continue to tip.

Personally, I think we should just have employers pay servers a decent wage and not force them to bow and scrape for tips (which they then often have to share with others) or let customers punish them for what the customer believes is poor service, bad food, or problems in the kitchen that are beyond the server's control.

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TRYINGHARD54 Posts: 4,830
2/28/14 1:08 P

Yes, I would still tip. Raising the min rage is
great for a lot of people, but could u still raise
your family on 10 dollars a hour ? So, yes I
would tip .

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2/28/14 1:07 P

I've had the good fortune to go to a few really nice upscale restaurants where a meal was easily $35+ per person. So, I'm pretty sure that the staff was paid more than me per hour, but I still left a tip. When I tip, I tip based on service.

If I go to a bar, I leave a tip even though the bartendar may have done nothing more than pour some wine into a glass. Dunkin Donuts is an interesting example. I've been in some locations where there was a tip cup and others where a sign said no tipping.

Why can some Dunkin Donuts have a tip cup, but not a place like McDonalds or Burger King ? Why is it okay at some places, but not others. That's what I don't understand.

I think it's implied that if you serve food to the public, you get a tip. But that's because someone who works in a restaurant doesn't get paid minimum wage. Their minimum wage is lower because they do get those tips.

Would I still tip if I knew the wait staff made $10+ per hour ? I would still tip, BUT I might not tip 15-20%. I would tip less because they would be making the same as any other worker. That person who replied made a good point. I've worked in customer service for years and I never got a tip.



BRIANLIEBERTH Posts: 641
2/28/14 12:52 P

A tipping wage is nearly always lower than the stated minimum wage. The difference is made up by tips. I haven't been involved with food service for a long time but when i was part of the law stated that the server was subsidized if they did not come up to the minimum. Of course if all the other servers got up to the minimum and a single server didn't they usually didn't last long because that showed that they either didn't give very good service or were flat out lying.

That being said I would guess that most servers in most restaurants make more than minimum when you factor in their tips. While there are cheap tippers everywhere there are also good tippers everywhere.

A large increase to the minimum wage will affect fast food workers much more than servers I believe. If a business is forced to pay more for a job than the job returns in value the job will be eliminated. Depending on the industry that can mean combined with another job, if it can be oursourced it will be outsourced. If it can be automated it will be automated. With a large minimum wage increase I can see automated kiosks where you place your order and less order takers just like in grocery stores.

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EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
2/28/14 12:38 P

Of course, tipping has nothing to do with what their wages are. It is a custom and they work hard and deserve it.

I tip the same whether service or their attitude is bad or good. Life's hard.

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2/28/14 12:25 P

At $10 i would, at $15 I wouldn't.

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2/28/14 12:07 P

In many areas servers make about 3$ an hour. So your tip makes up the difference in wages.
Playing with numbers, as a server, I have 6 tables that turn over once an hour. Lets pretend an average of 40$ per table so the tip would be an average of 6$. That would be 3$+(6x6)= 39$ an hour.

If prices go up we have to assume that it will be passed on to the diner. So now the server gets 12$ an hour, dinner costs 60$ so the tip would be 9$ so now the server makes $66 an hour.

Now we all know these are pretend numbers, not all tables turn over every hour, some people will tip more, some less.

So my costs have increased from 46$ to 69$ for a meal.

Maybe the question should also include will you be able to afford to eat out?

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2/28/14 10:56 A

well, yes... if the service is good... I mean, why would it matter what their wage is? :S

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2/28/14 10:55 A

Probably if the minimum wage is $10 will continue what I do now, but, if the wages goes to $15 it will depend more than ever on the quality of service. I live on a fixed income and what I get comes to less than $10 an hour.

ANDILH Posts: 1,423
2/28/14 10:53 A

The process of tips in restaurants got started because the minimum wage for servers is generally MUCH lower than "normal" minimum wage. If I'm correct, in some places servers originally made nothing from the restaurant and their entire income was based on tips. Eventually there was a minimum wage in place so servers didn't have to rely completely on tips. The idea is that the servers would earn enough to make at least minimum wage, and if they're good they can make far more than the minimum. However, tipping becomes antiquated if the server is making more an hour from their place of employment. If menu prices are raised than everyone is paying much more for their meal, which in turn would make the tips higher if they are based on a percentage of the bill. So, not only would be server be earning a higher wage, but under the theory of tipping would also earn a MUCH high tip. This would increase their income more a raise that anyone I know has gotten lately. So, I probably wouldn't be tipping if the server is making more an hour than I do. Although I rarely go to restaurants anyway.

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2/28/14 10:45 A

Yes, of course I will tip. The wait person who provides me with good, friendly service is usually in luck because I am a good tipper.

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2/28/14 9:39 A

That's a great question. Heretofore, servers were paid below minimum wage so tipping became the way they made a living. If servers are now given a 5+ fold increase in pay, that would change things significantly. First of all, food prices will increase because, of course, restaurant owners would have to pass through their increased costs to the customers. This will only hurt the institution of tipping because people will feel like they are already paying for the server's increase in the form of higher meal prices. I know I would have to dine out less under those circumstances. We (ok, my husband, who always pays) is an excellent tipper and it's always 20+%. He even tips the maid when we stay at hotels. But again, it's a new world if consumers are now forced to pay much higher rates for the meal itself. We shall see how this plays out.

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2/28/14 9:22 A

I tip 10% for bad service, 20% for good service and 25%+ if the waitress is hot....regardless of good or bad service.
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2/28/14 8:42 A

yes....tip based on service

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2/28/14 8:38 A

yes if the service is good

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2/28/14 8:00 A

I believe I would all but stop going out to eat. It would be too expensive. A lot of people make $10 - $15 an hour for hard labor jobs that are not with the public, and so therefore there is no tipping for them.

I hate the tipping convention but I do tip those who make a very low wage, with the idea that tipping is expected to make up a reasonable wage. I have waitressed before. Yes it is hard work and they deserve respect, but not more than another hard laborer who is not working with the public.

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2/28/14 7:31 A

Yes ~ and the better the service the higher the %

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2/28/14 6:18 A

Yes!

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2/28/14 6:06 A

Yes,

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2/28/14 6:02 A

I always tip a minimum of 20% more if the service is exceptional. On occasion, when the

service is terrible, I'll leave only 15%...anyone can have a bad day. OH! I base my tip on

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2/28/14 6:00 A

It would ultimately depend on the service that I got. I have had such mediocre service when i go out to different restaurants that it has helped me stop going out to eat. I think that most servers( in the area that I am from) feel that it is a RIGHT that they are tipped even if they do nothing. My Mom, my son, and I went out to dinner and it took the server over 20 minutes to bring back our glasses of water and then when my Mother asked her to take it back because it had lemon in it which she told the server that she was allergic to the server rolled her eyes. I was shocked and made sure that after the disastrous dinner that her manager was aware of how horrible she was and that we didn't leave a tip due to that.

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2/28/14 5:57 A

Yes I tip if the service is good

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2/28/14 5:49 A

yes I would tip if I got good service, no if I didn't.

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2/28/14 5:12 A

We don't really have tipping in NZ. Only a few places, but it isn't expected.

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BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,381
2/28/14 4:10 A

Minimum wage *is* $10 where I live. And yes, I tip.

It's a hard job. It might be $10/hour but it usually isn't 40 hours/week. You end up with short shifts and split shifts and without tips, a generally below-mediocre paycheque.

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2/28/14 2:57 A

I was reading an article about the fight to raise minimum for food servers to between $10 to 15 dollars an hour.

Servers were saying it would be great to get 15 an hour and be tipped. Many servers were upset to hear that customers may not tip if the wage went up. " I need my tips!"

Over 70% of customers interviewed in restaurants said that if the minimum wage was increased they would no longer tip. Many said that at 10+ an hour the server would be making more then they were and they didn't see any reason to tip someone for doing the job they were paid to do. Many said "No one tips me for doing my job and I only make minimum wage!

So what will you do if servers are paid at least minimum wage and not "tip earner wages"?

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