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JUSDME35 SparkPoints: (1,219)
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5/8/13 9:20 P

I just read the article. I don't think he's saying anything bad at all. I kind of agree with him. Because sometimes I hear girls at the gym say "Oh I gained a few pounds I should hit the treadmill harder" No it's a balance of strength and cardio on top of eating properly that helps you tone and lose.

I don't think the girl he's talking about is fat/gaining weight because she runs. She has a condition. Was it there before? He doesn't know and obviously she didn't either. So chicken before the egg debate: did running cause her condition or was it there before and exercising made it more prominent? No one knows. That's why its said to get checked out by a dr BEFORE any exercise. Don't let it get to you.

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5/8/13 3:12 P

I was surprisingly not as offended by this blog post as I thought I would be. Yes, it was written a bit sexist-ly, but he did at least (very briefly) acknowledge that men are sometimes guilty of this as well. Overall, it seemed like the point of the article was just that running - specifically steady-state - is not a good way to lose weight. Which to an extent, is true. But I do have a few major issues with his post.

I think the most sexist part of his post is that he assumes that any woman on a treadmill is trying to lose weight. Weight loss is not the only reason to run. Lots of people actually ENJOY running! Why else do you think people who run track or marathons or 5ks would do it? Most of those people are already in shape and aren't trying to drop the pounds. What about sense of accomplishment when you beat your personal best? What about people who use it as a way to stay in shape for other sports or activities? "In shape" doesn't necessarily mean weight, there are loads of other physical and mental health benefits to running and other cardio activities.

He also completely ignores the idea of intervals, which is what's actually recommended much more frequently.

While he does have 1 fairly solid argument, everything else is based on assumption, and he loses all credibility based on his idiotic tone. If he truly wanted to help someone understand the importance of doing more than just running if they want to lose weight, he did a very poor job of getting his point across.

PERRYR Posts: 682
5/7/13 3:58 P

"If your physically able to run, go for It!"
"I run because I CAN."

SIMPLYME160 SparkPoints: (1,834)
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5/7/13 1:25 P

If your physically able to run, go for It!

CECE0330 Posts: 3,465
5/6/13 5:23 P

That article annoyed me too. He can stuff it. emoticon

I don't run to lose weight. I run because I CAN. End of story.

NANCYANNE55 SparkPoints: (127,785)
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5/6/13 1:21 P

SergeantMajor, I feel ya! If you are built to run, running is awesome. If you are not, or if you are overweight, it sucks. Bottom line.

JEWELS571 Posts: 2,885
5/6/13 12:34 P

Bob you got it!!! Balance!!!! I was hoping to see this word pop up! I don't have a membership to the gym anymore, but when I did you would fine me walk/running there, biking and using the weight machines. Do I have flopping arms, why yes I do, my trophies from losing so much weight so late in light.

I love all the responses. The blogger was yes, a jerk to give his blog that title, clearly seeking attn. As a women new to running it was eye catching and I was curious to see how others felt about it. Would I choose to only run, well no! I like toning, walking, Zumba and now training for a 5k. As with balance I thing that changing what you do to shock your body helps and it keeps it all fun and interesting!

Thanks for all your responses!

5/5/13 11:22 P

The definition of fat in the fitness world is the ratio between muscle mass and body fat.Having been a coach of women runners over the years I am well aware of the importance genetics plays for dedicated runnners. The article does not address those with the proper genetics to be runners, it addresses those who have decided that running is their "magic formula" for fat loss and who carry their running workouts to extremes.

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5/5/13 8:15 P

I get the point as far as how important strength training is, but I gotta say.....I've personally never known a woman that called herself a "runner" and was fat.

As a previous poster pointed out, there has to be something in those facts.

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5/3/13 3:13 P

SergeantMajor- I feel 'ya. I have a feeling my blogs would render a similar response.

5/3/13 10:42 A

As someone who works in a gym i agree with this article. Perhaps not the way he phrases things or the attitude attached. But in general women spend too much time checked out on a cardio machine which generally over estimates the amount of calories burned. For me a 30 run on the treadmill reports that I burn about 350-400 cal however it is actually around 150cal.
the author is pointing out that if you want to be fit you need to do more than just run.
Lift weights ladies and make them as heavy as you can!

SIMONEKP Posts: 2,744
5/3/13 8:57 A

I read a few of his other articles, including the breakfast thing, he's not advocating not eating breakfast, he's advocating not carb loading your breakfast and suggesting that eating the majority of your carbs later in the day so that your body breaks it down into the energy needed for the next morning's workout.

MOONGLOWSNANA SparkPoints: (222,697)
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5/3/13 8:41 A

I too should just hide from the tiger. I might run and hide though not very far and and then hope that nothing gives me away!

LOVESTOWALK49 Posts: 705
5/3/13 8:29 A

I think variety in exercise is a good thing. No one is arguing that. I think he titled his article that way to get attention. He has an agenda. With that title, he got hundreds of responses. If he wrote that steady state cardio isn't always the best exercise, he would have got the same response. I don't know about lots of cardio increasing the appetite. Some days, it does and other days, it doesn't. It could be the exercise or it could be that some days I'm hungrier than others.

5/3/13 3:59 A

I would have to say that everything I have learned about health and fitness says that interval training is the way to do it, ALONG WITH strength training AND a healthy diet. There is no other way to lose weight or stay healthy. With that being said, I am a runner. I can't help it, I LOVE running, and I will never stop doing it unless I become physically unable. But I do incorporate strength training and interval cardio training into my fitness regimen as well (more so recently than I used to). What I understood of this guy's message is that only cardio where you max out your heart rate for long periods at a time, is not good for your body. I can agree with that. But he should have been clearer about the alternatives (And maybe a little nicer too??). Cutting out cardio completely is also a bad idea. That can lead to diabetes, heart disease, cancer and other problems. So take the middle road... Strength training WITH interval cardio training AND a healthy diet. Mission accomplished. As for the rest of you running junkies out there... I'm with you!

Edited by: LORIBETHXOXO at: 5/3/2013 (04:04)
5/3/13 12:54 A


Thank you, I am no longer a lone voice crying in the wilderness. A review of my Spark people blogs will also result in turning off a lot of people but I hope the content has value.

As an aside the term "gerbils and hamsters" was created by a woman trainer friend of mine and applies to any gender or affectional preference which spends hour upon hour on a dreadmill or elliptical.

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5/2/13 10:35 P

Love your slogan Shoot for the moon etc,,etc Thanks for posting it. emoticon

NANCYANNE55 SparkPoints: (127,785)
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5/2/13 10:29 P

Hmmmmmm................Interesting the responses and assumptions here.

I agree with what he says in the article. What surprises me most is that he does not discuss the Q-angle. Because of this, running is often not a good exercise for us gals with wide hips. I've found that females with more naturally athletic builds tend to do better with it.

I tend to be a cynic about most things, but as a fitness professional who blogs, I can tell you with utmost sincerity that many of us aren't blogging to garner business: We are doing it to help as many people as we can who CAN'T pay us. Plus, we run out of time to help even the people who can pay, so blogs are a good way to help as many as possible in as little time as possible. While his tone may be offensive to some (after a while you get tired of repeating the same stuff over and over and tend to lose some of your softness), his heart is more than likely in the right place.

Okay...... so now it's time to get my head ripped off.............. But that was my two cents, for what it's worth......................

KATHY2053 Posts: 4
5/2/13 1:55 P

I love your description of "after a few minutes" what your body thinks. I chuckled for several minutes. Thank you!

PERRYR Posts: 682
5/2/13 12:13 P

That's great! Now we can change topics - oh wait, maybe not....

COLLING6 Posts: 125
5/2/13 12:07 P

The got the title wrong. It should be "Why some men should not speak"

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5/2/13 11:28 A

Wow interesting. I think he makes some good points. Cardio daily will only help you get so far. I think he has overinterpretated the studies regarding hypothyroidism and prolonged cardio. Yes, that can happen, although it's relatively uncommon and I don't believe that is a "danger" to the majority of people. And yes, I think the guy is a jerk and pushing his own agenda. But since we are all smart people here at SparkPeople -- we know that any sensible fitness plan involves eating well and a fitness plan that incorporates ST and cardio. Focusing on only one thing may not help you achieve all that you are hoping for. Gotta admit it -- his condescending article has got us all talking and thinking about fitness. So kudos on some level there.

JENSTRESS Posts: 5,403
5/2/13 10:54 A

I'm surprised how many people are anti-running. Years ago, before I got so out of shape, I ran daily, and LOVED it (I'm working on getting back to that right now.) and I was in FANTASTIC shape. No wobbly arms. I did strength train, but very little. I would be more balanced now, not just run with very little strength training. I think some people don't really understand what "skinny fat" means. Just because you wobble, doesn't make you skinny fat.

Personally, I love cardio. I will never give it up. However, I have learned to really love strength training too. I think both are important in a well-rounded workout.

SARIC3 Posts: 3,815
5/2/13 10:48 A

I just don't think the author clearly stated his points. All of which have been listed by other responses already.

Nutrition is #1
Strength is as important as cardio.

SBURDEN Posts: 10,767
5/2/13 10:40 A

Wow is all I really have to say. Although he makes some good points, I think the message could have been delivered differently.

NATALIYA30 Posts: 35
5/2/13 10:37 A

I am not at all familiar with this guy and what he does so I can only speak to this article as a stand alone info source. The article really made me think about balancing out my running (I am training for a half marathon) and strength training. It's true, there are a lot of "shapeless" runners out there so I can see what he is saying. It's all about common sense and balance.

P.S. I love how every woman in the pictures of the article looks great. Defeats the purpose...? emoticon

HACK_HACKER SparkPoints: (16,150)
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5/2/13 10:00 A

I'm so glad to see people looking at this article for what it's worth! He has a point--running miles and miles every day isn't going to help anyone lose weight--but he's targeting women for pageviews and making a lot of assumptions that the women he sees at the treadmill don't understand the science.

I read one of his other articles, where he recommends that everyone skip breakfast every day. He cherry-picks his own studies to support a specific carb-regulation program of which he's a proponent. Nothing he says convinces me to stop doing what I'm doing, and I'm happy that SP articles are bolstered by science so I can understand why it'll work and why I don't need to follow some fad.

LBTHOMASJR SparkPoints: (145,997)
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5/2/13 9:46 A

Sorry, but the only thing obvious to me is that this guy is soley trying to promote his agenda (and by implication - his service/product). The ONLY way to lose weight is to burn more calories than you take in. The most effective way to do so is through cardio. Strength training can shape your body and it can even make you a better runner (or cyclist or swimmer, etc...) but all by itself it will neither get you in shape nor make you lose weight.

SIMONEKP Posts: 2,744
5/2/13 9:40 A

Running isn't for everyone and any single note exercise will cease to be effective after a while. Elite runners generally cross train. Look at every olympic sprinter's training regiment, it includes a ton of strength work.

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5/2/13 9:22 A

If you read the whole article and ignore his ticked off tone it's obvious he's right. Just look at any cardio machine and you'll see there is a seperate setting for "fat burn," and it's LOW intensity. Running is fun for some and has a lot of opportunities to be a social activity. That's why it has been pushed so hard on everyone. But it is not ideal for weight loss. Or muscle building. It will only take you so far before your efficiency backfires. The edit at the bottom also says "HEY! My entire site is dedicated to weight loss and muscle building!" So don't read the article as a solo blog, but rather as an article from a whole work. Also, the sexist title? Just meant to grab your attention. He does say men have the same problems. But men are more likely to lift weights to look like a meathead, so dont fall victim to the stagnation of an oversimplified routine.

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5/2/13 9:20 A

why not

BOB240 SparkPoints: (6,131)
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5/2/13 9:14 A

Actually I tend to agree with SERGEANTMAJOR here. The article is simply highlighting the over emphasis women in particular put on cardio. From what I see everyday in the gym - they do.

I see lines of women on treadmills pounding away hour after hour. If you look at them, they may be thin, but their arms are wobbling around and they are clearly skinny fat. Cardio has suppressed developing a good balance of muscle development.

In contrast the men are as bad in the weights area - regulars refer them as BAAEDS (Biceps And ABS Every Day). Often the guys are coming in at 25% bodyfat.

Actually, elite runners running more than 2k have usually got pretty poor looking bodies. Women might find looking like a clothes hanger attractive but most men would prefer women to have more shape to them.

I enjoy running. If I am on holiday I will run 10k over hills and beaches and through forests for fun. I like cycling in the same way.

When I am in the gym I balance all activities-- God help me I even stretch with yoga type exercises.. A lot of people would end up healthier and look and feel better if they balanced gym activity to get the most out of it in terms of body development.

The problem is actually very few people have cracked it.. Here, Bubble sorted it out and I see very unlikely looking candidates in my gym who suddenly "click" (OHHH - I need balance) and the body transformations they achieve in a short time are very impressive. Furthermore - I see an even distribution between the sexes as to who gets it..

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5/2/13 9:14 A

I read it. I didn't see anything that made my jaw drop.

I run. I used to run more, but I'm not built for it and it doesn't agree with me, so I run less now.

My body seems to think that within a few minutes of running, whatever had been chasing me would have already caught and eaten me. If there's a tiger after me, I should definitely hide.

I can't comment about the science because I haven't checked out the research for myself. But there are definitely some discussion points presented that I haven't heard before.

He makes the charge that running will eventually make women fatter, whether through an overabundance of diet or by physiological mechanisms. The people I see out when I run, female OR male, are generally fitter than the average. But I have also learned about the 10 pounds or so of runners weight, and I saw it on myself too. Running gives me a crazy big appetite, and I admit that I have indulged myself and used the excuse that I burn a lot of calories.

BROOKLYN_BORN Posts: 7,560
5/2/13 8:22 A

Yeah, those elite female marathoners just keep getting fatter, don't they. That constant cardio is really messing them up.

Another guy using a headline to sell his own product.

If you don't like running, don't do it. If it's not working for you, stop. Do you really need to convince everyone else to follow your lead?

I agree with RenataRuns. What's the point of arguing.

Edited by: BROOKLYN_BORN at: 5/2/2013 (12:18)
MOMNINJA Posts: 67
5/2/13 8:18 A

not worth even registering on my radar screen. I have several friends who run marathons and they look pretty healthy to me.

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5/2/13 8:01 A


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5/2/13 7:43 A

I run! Not long distance, just 5k. I find it great for my mental health. It has helped me lose weight. It makes me feel good. I do strength training as well (kettlebell at the moment) and I eat well 90% of the time. And yes, normally when my weight goes up it is the fault of my diet. It also ehlps when running not to keep an even pace but to run as fast as you can for 30sec and then slow down for a few minutes and repeat.

When reading articles like this one has to be aware that the writer has his/her own agenda as it is a sales letter basically!

One should listen to ones own body and do what you think is right for you. If we listen to every article we get stuck as we don't know where to turn to. Any movement is better than none and it is a process that we tweak as we move along the road.

PERRYR Posts: 682
5/2/13 7:12 A

Great responses! I really appreciate the different views and think everyone is pretty much in agreement - Running only, and running long, won't make you into a bikini model. I think this applies to men and women (men should never wear those skimpy bathing suits).
Reasonable is the answer for most. If you want be be a great runner, run today, cross train tomorrow, run the next day, strength training the next, run, ride bike, rest..... Something like that. Exercise the whole body.You'll be a better runner.
I do favor very intensive exercise and suggest that you check it out for yourself if you want to get in top shape.

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5/2/13 6:51 A

deleted -- forget it, it's not worth arguing

Edited by: RENATARUNS at: 5/2/2013 (06:57)
BUBBLEJ1 Posts: 2,981
5/2/13 12:54 A

I didn't find that article insulting at all. He made his point, and yes, he could have done it in 1 paragraph and he could have been nicer about it, but hey, this is the Internet, there are many other things on here that could offend you more.

5/1/13 8:20 P

I, like many others, responded negatively to the article. Its tone is condescending and sexist.

Does the article have merit in a couple ways? Sure. Many articles point to the negative consequences of running for long durations as your only form of exercise, because they claim it raises the stress hormone cortisol, which can lead to weight gain.

Delivery is crucial, especially when it comes to education. When you come across as biased or bigoted, you also come off as less educated, less valuable as a source, and less trustworthy. And rightfully so.

Quite frankly, I was really put off by SERHANTMARJOR's initial reply as well.

What's going on, people? lol.

Edited by: XTHEJOURNALIST at: 5/1/2013 (20:22)
5/1/13 6:23 P

The point being missed is that persistent long duration steady state cardio has negative metabolic consequences which is not gender biased. Study the message and the citations and forget the off balanced delivery. Messengers come in all shapes, sizes and biases but the content of the message is the germane point not who delivers it or how it is delivered..

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5/1/13 5:12 P

"Imitating gerbils and hamsters", really? That doesn't help.

I'm not even sure that assumption is true -- the men at my gym are very well represented on the cardio equipment and in the pool. The only place that it's majority women is in the classes.

I'm so tired of running getting trashed left right and center. Whatever you may personally believe about the best form of exercise and whatever you may be able to interpret out of all the contradictory, half-nonsensical research out there, just stop trashing other people's choices in exercise because your own are currently more trendy. (General "you", not pointing at anyone specific.) If the pendulum swings and five years from now some expert comes out with a famous study that says that weight lifting kills people (exaggerating), you're not going to want to hear the runners all crowing about it. So don't do it to us.

DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (61,313)
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5/1/13 4:32 P

The problem this writer is harping on isn't running.

It's women who think they can out-run a bad diet.

He's an ass, and he's going about getting his message across the wrong way.

I run, I don't do steady-state, I eat well, and my metabolism is just fine. He can stuff it up his arse, or at least, he could if there wasn't already a stick firmly planted in there.

SARAHD33 SparkPoints: (44,667)
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5/1/13 4:26 P

Here is my favorite article on the topic, written by Rachel Cosgrove:

Basically, she says that women have an unrealistic expectation that running will give them the body they want, when, in fact, it is neither the most effective or the safest way for exercise novices to get in shape. Good points!

5/1/13 3:43 P

I guess I read a different article than others here read since I do not have the same response. He was not saying that women should not run, what he was saying is that there are excellent reasons that no one shoule engage exclusively in long bputs of steady state cardio and he cited the research to support his position. Did he single out women, yes he did however sexist it may seem any visit to a gym or health club will find the majority of those pounding away imitating gerbils and hamsters are women.

Here is another citation for the article which lists eighty (80) research citations to support his premise.
I admit that his writing approach is strident but the content and his assertions have a sound scientific basis which it comes to the negative physical consequences of prolonged steady state cardio be it for male or female.

REGINA_PHALANGE SparkPoints: (17,659)
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5/1/13 3:09 P

This article (let's be honest, it's really just a blog post) is overly simplistic and horribly sexist. While he does have some good points (cardio alone won't solve problems), he makes it sound like every runner who is female only does it to be slim and toned, and it has nothing to do with enjoyment, hobbies, overall sense of well-being, or reaching goals.

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously because it all seems very one-sided and draws every woman to be one-dimensional people with eating/body image disorders. Funny that he neglects to mention the men who put in an extra workout or two after a weekend of pounding a 30-pack. It works both ways. He did a terrible job of getting his "you need to do other things to get in shape" message across.

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5/1/13 1:41 P

Don't let this article bother you. Although, he does make some good points. It's true, running alone will not get a woman a bikini body. There is a misconception that if you want to lose weight, you should do exercises that burn a lot of calories i.e. like running. What most people don't realize is that when it comes to weight loss, what matters most is what we eat. Good nutrition is what takes the weight off and keeps it off. Exercise is what keeps our bodies fit. The article should have said you can't outrun a bad diet with exercise.

The author wasn't very clear. He just seemed to want to harp about steady state cardio. There are some fitness professionals who feel that steady state cardio isn't very helpful when it comes to improving fitness. Many advocate for interval training over steady state. Many don't even think you should do cardio. Many think that strength training is enough. This guy should have made the point that he is a power lifter. I suspect the article isn't very clear is because he figures his audience knows that he endorses lifting over steady state.

He's not saying women shouldn't run because they are women. He's saying women shouldn't run because steady state cardio doesn't increase strength or help them lose weight. He wants more women to strength train than run.

Edited by: ARCHIMEDESII at: 5/1/2013 (13:44)
SUSAN_FOSTER Posts: 1,229
5/1/13 1:22 P

I won't take any article seriously that doesn't mention the danger of running for women is that they can lose their uterus. emoticon

I'm trying to find the response article from Runners World, but the basics are that the author is writing from his own bias and is cherry-picking incorrect conclusions from studies.

JEWELS571 Posts: 2,885
5/1/13 1:15 P

A friend of mine posted this article on facebook and I was angered by reading it. I would love to hear from the coaches here. I am totally new to running and I understand the importance of calorie in verses calorie out, common sense, etc. but this guy!! Grrrr

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